Tottenham riots

[View From The Top]

Manchester and West Bromich and Wolverhampton are all being affected this evening.

 

Yep, my mates shop in Wolves has been turned over by Wolves casuals.

 

Edited 9 August, 2011 by View From The Top

[egg]

I was just suggesting a potential solution to solve some of the issues that we're having, not describing how we came to get here in the first place.

 

 

But I don't see how moving parents from old social housing to new social housing would make the kids better behaved. Improved housing will not make the parents, police or school better equipped to control feral youths.

 

No disrespect mate, but your argument makes no sense to me.

[CB Saint]

Yes, I do mean reduce. Let's be absolutely clear.

 

On the subject of negative equity, I'm in two minds. One part of me thinks "f*ck 'em. If you were stupid enough to overfinance yourself and buy at the height of the market, that's your problem". It's not the only thing I'm thinking. Just throwing it out there.

 

A more charitable side of me would consider the mess the banks got us in, and how they might repay that, particularly those that the taxpayer has a large stake in.

 

What a charming individual you are

[Gingeletiss]

Yes, I do mean reduce. Let's be absolutely clear.

 

On the subject of negative equity, I'm in two minds. One part of me thinks "f*ck 'em. If you were stupid enough to overfinance yourself and buy at the height of the market, that's your problem". It's not the only thing I'm thinking. Just throwing it out there.

 

A more charitable side of me would consider the mess the banks got us in, and how they might repay that, particularly those that the taxpayer has a large stake in.

 

Ferk me, and posters on here claim you're an intelligent poster.

[Seaford Saint]

I wish people were nicer to Mrs BTF.....just because you don't agree with her even asking for the motivation of the scum in all this there is no need to be disrespectful.

 

I was raised in Weston - I reckon I'd have been up for it years ago. I remember thinking back then how if it came from a shop any item was fair game and could be stolen. I used to spend whole summers on the nick back then...

 

It's not what I think now of course and obviously not what I would do under any circumstance

 

.....excitement Mrs BTF, being chased by police provided you outrun them was great fun, I recall. I never got caught. Peer pressure, the chance to be more significant than you might otherwise be? If your life is empty, you have no assets, no job, not much of a family etc. These must be contributory factors at a guess. I don't believe I would not have set fire to shops like the rioters did last night.

[View From The Top]

What a charming individual you are

 

He has a valid point, why wring hands about what is in effect a debt that many took on without much thought and are now wailing and gnashing teeth about how they are now screwed.

 

I don't hold those sentiments but I understand the point.

[Griffo]

Yep, my mates shop in Wolves has been turned over by Wolves casuals.

 

 

No way.. You'd think out of everyone they'd have the most respect for where they live.

[saint_jas]

Think something is happening again in the St Anns area of Nottingham, judging by the 7 police cars and 4 riot vans I saw heading that way

[Weston Super Saint]

OK - that explains why they CAN do it. Why would they WANT to do it?

 

You could ask EXACTLY the same thing about drugs.

 

They CAN do it, it IS illegal, so why would they want to?

 

Simple answer is 'the buzz', and I guess peer pressure.

[pap]

What a charming individual you are

 

Ferk me, and posters on here claim you're an intelligent poster.

 

C'mon boys, I did say that was part of my thinking.

 

Any time you want to throw in a huge plan for societal change, enlighten us.

[Barney Trubble]

Yes, I do mean reduce. Let's be absolutely clear.

 

On the subject of negative equity, I'm in two minds. One part of me thinks "f*ck 'em. If you were stupid enough to overfinance yourself and buy at the height of the market, that's your problem". It's not the only thing I'm thinking. Just throwing it out there.

 

A more charitable side of me would consider the mess the banks got us in, and how they might repay that, particularly those that the taxpayer has a large stake in.

 

So on one hand you advocate people having a stake, roots etc but then try to make them out to be ****s for paying the market price. It's a pity we can't all be perfect like you. Sometimes you can't dictate the circumstances of life, you have no choice but to pay or be stuck on the rental /social housing market forever. I haven't over financed myself but I am stuck with a house that isn't worth what I paid for it. I do apologise for trying to make something of my life and getting some 'roots'.

 

Thanks for your support '**** 'em', well that's real nice of you, well, **** you too you patronising piece of ****.

 

I have worked hard all my life, I don't have a lot but I am proud of what I have achieved. You seem like an arrogant worthless piece of ****, what right do you have to say '**** em' to people who had no option but to pay at that time in good faith.

 

I think the comedian in you will say something along the lines of "seek financial advice"!

[View From The Top]

No way.. You'd think out of everyone they'd have the most respect for where they live.

 

Feral high rise estate rats, they don't give a sh*t.

 

Jase watched it live via his shop webcam, taking notes, storing faces and making phone calls.

[pap]

But I don't see how moving parents from old social housing to new social housing would make the kids better behaved. Improved housing will not make the parents, police or school better equipped to control feral youths.

 

No disrespect mate, but your argument makes no sense to me.

 

Would it help if I said it was more a case moving people from sh*t social housing to good social housing?

[Gingeletiss]

Would it help if I said it was more a case moving people from sh*t social housing to good social housing?

 

That doesn't work either, I can show you 'new' social housing, that looks like sh1te now, due to the low lifes who inhabit it!

[egg]

Would it help if I said it was more a case moving people from sh*t social housing to good social housing?

 

 

No, I understand your point. I just don't understand how it would help. To suggest that kids would start to behave if moved to better housing is unrealistic imo and does not address the actual issues.

 

We will have to agree to differ.

[Barney Trubble]

Would it help if I said it was more a case moving people from sh*t social housing to good social housing?

 

Do you think that if these pieces of gutter trash have a nice, shiny new home then they will be reformed, turn into upstanding citizens, take good care of it, help the elderly across the road?!

 

Don't be so bloody silly, they are just takers. There is a world of difference between the genuine folks, who live in squalid, social housing and these who are trashing the streets right now. When you can distinguish the difference and stop giving the arrogant middle finger (**** 'em) to hard working people like those/me, then I will take you seriously.

[Turkish]

Feral high rise estate rats, they don't give a sh*t.

 

Jase watched it live via his shop webcam, taking notes, storing faces and making phone calls.

 

I am sure they will be dealt with one way or another.

[benjii]

For all the hand-wringing about causes and consequences, the looting is really only about one thing: desire. And it’s shaped by the pervasive influence of a black youth subculture, shared by young whites and blacks alike and imported largely from the US, which places high status on ‘labels’ – for clothes, electronics, you name it.

 

The problem is that it’s hard enough if you’re on benefits or in school or in low-paid work to buy clothes or pay for your TV licence. But when you absolutely must have Gucci, Armani, Sony, Apple, Sky, Nike, etc., the gap between your desires and how to fulfill them becomes a yawning chasm. Unfortunately, the same subculture has violence and gangsterism written into its DNA – as well as a ‘this is mine if I want it’ mantra.

 

It’s a fatal mixture.

 

So when it became clear (very quickly) that the police were going to stand by as shops were emptied and torched, suddenly all those desires could be met in one orgiastic rush. (Hence the party atmosphere – the cheering and laughing – that many bystanders have observed). To hell with the idea that someone’s flat has just gone up in flames, or that a local business has been wiped out for good – the looter has a nice collection of labels to wear or stick on eBay, and a feeling that it is all gloriously justified because the loot has been ‘liberated’ from mainstream culture.

 

Which all amounts to saying that this subculture is a pyramid of nothing much more than violent selfishness.

 

I agree entirely.

[pap]

So on one hand you advocate people having a stake, roots etc but then try to make them out to be ****s for paying the market price. It's a pity we can't all be perfect like you. Sometimes you can't dictate the circumstances of life, you have no choice but to pay or be stuck on the rental /social housing market forever. I haven't over financed myself but I am stuck with a house that isn't worth what I paid for it. I do apologise for trying to make something of my life and getting some 'roots'.

 

Thanks for your support '**** 'em', well that's real nice of you, well, **** you too you patronising piece of ****.

 

I have worked hard all my life, I don't have a lot but I am proud of what I have achieved. You seem like an arrogant worthless piece of ****, what right do you have to say '**** em' to people who had no option but to pay at that time in good faith.

 

I think the comedian in you will say something along the lines of "seek financial advice"!

 

Ok, first, let's shoot down that no choice thing straightaway.

 

You had a choice. You made a choice. It now seems like a bad choice. I can get why you are frustrated, and if I were in your position, I would feel aggrieved too. But unless you were dragged to NatWest against your will to and forced to sign the mortgage papers, you had a choice.

 

That said, you've got a perfect right to be aggrieved. The market was artificially inflated on the premise that "house prices would keep rising forever and ever" and that's a big part of the reason that your house was the price it was when you bought it. So I refer you to my second point. Why shouldn't the bankers compensate people like yourself for losses that in effect, they have created? Especially if they are in public ownership?

Edited 9 August, 2011 by pap

[egg]

Ok, first, let's shoot down that no choice thing straightaway.

 

You had a choice. You made a choice. It now seems like a bad choice. I can get why you are frustrated, and if I were in your position, I would feel aggrieved too. But unless you were dragged to NatWest against your will to and forced to sign the mortgage prices, you had a choice.

 

That said, you've got a perfect right to be aggrieved. The market was artificially inflated on the premise that "house prices would keep rising forever and ever" and that's a big part of the reason that your house was the price it was when you bought it. So I refer you to my second point. Why shouldn't the bankers compensate people like yourself for losses that in effect, they have created? Especially if they are in public ownership?

 

 

Err, this is a riot thread. Can you two please do your flirting somewhere else.

 

Thanks

[pap]

No, I understand your point. I just don't understand how it would help. To suggest that kids would start to behave if moved to better housing is unrealistic imo and does not address the actual issues.

 

We will have to agree to differ.

 

Fair play, but I did mention a lot of other incentives in that plan, such as job creation and the demolition of run-down areas.

[Special K]

For all the hand-wringing about causes and consequences, the looting is really only about one thing: desire. And it’s shaped by the pervasive influence of a black youth subculture, shared by young whites and blacks alike and imported largely from the US, which places high status on ‘labels’ – for clothes, electronics, you name it.

 

The problem is that it’s hard enough if you’re on benefits or in school or in low-paid work to buy clothes or pay for your TV licence. But when you absolutely must have Gucci, Armani, Sony, Apple, Sky, Nike, etc., the gap between your desires and how to fulfill them becomes a yawning chasm. Unfortunately, the same subculture has violence and gangsterism written into its DNA – as well as a ‘this is mine if I want it’ mantra.

 

It’s a fatal mixture.

 

So when it became clear (very quickly) that the police were going to stand by as shops were emptied and torched, suddenly all those desires could be met in one orgiastic rush. (Hence the party atmosphere – the cheering and laughing – that many bystanders have observed). To hell with the idea that someone’s flat has just gone up in flames, or that a local business has been wiped out for good – the looter has a nice collection of labels to wear or stick on eBay, and a feeling that it is all gloriously justified because the loot has been ‘liberated’ from mainstream culture.

 

Which all amounts to saying that this subculture is a pyramid of nothing much more than violent selfishness.

 

Crivens! I find myself agreeing with Verbal.

[Clapham Saint]

For all the hand-wringing about causes and consequences, the looting is really only about one thing: desire. And it’s shaped by the pervasive influence of a black youth subculture, shared by young whites and blacks alike and imported largely from the US, which places high status on ‘labels’ – for clothes, electronics, you name it.

 

The problem is that it’s hard enough if you’re on benefits or in school or in low-paid work to buy clothes or pay for your TV licence. But when you absolutely must have Gucci, Armani, Sony, Apple, Sky, Nike, etc., the gap between your desires and how to fulfill them becomes a yawning chasm. Unfortunately, the same subculture has violence and gangsterism written into its DNA – as well as a ‘this is mine if I want it’ mantra.

 

It’s a fatal mixture.

 

So when it became clear (very quickly) that the police were going to stand by as shops were emptied and torched, suddenly all those desires could be met in one orgiastic rush. (Hence the party atmosphere – the cheering and laughing – that many bystanders have observed). To hell with the idea that someone’s flat has just gone up in flames, or that a local business has been wiped out for good – the looter has a nice collection of labels to wear or stick on eBay, and a feeling that it is all gloriously justified because the loot has been ‘liberated’ from mainstream culture.

 

Which all amounts to saying that this subculture is a pyramid of nothing much more than violent selfishness.

 

I agree with Verbal.

[Minsk]

Would it help if I said it was more a case moving people from sh*t social housing to good social housing?

 

I think quite the opposite.

 

One thing that might help to change them is to send them to live in a village over here.

 

A wooden house with an outside toilet, which is no more than a wooden seat over a hole in the ground, and the only source of water is from a well.

 

No social handouts. No one anywhere remotely close to them worth robbing from. Just a piece of land for them to grow their own food on/keep animals on.

 

Oh, and if they did kick-off the police here would not hesitate to batter them, and convicted, which they would be, they would go down for a few years (not days or weeks) in a prison they would not like to be in!!!!

[Minsk]

I agree with Verbal.

 

As do I.

[Barney Trubble]

Ok, first, let's shoot down that no choice thing straightaway.

 

You had a choice. You made a choice. It now seems like a bad choice. I can get why you are frustrated, and if I were in your position, I would feel aggrieved too. But unless you were dragged to NatWest against your will to and forced to sign the mortgage prices, you had a choice.

 

That said, you've got a perfect right to be aggrieved. The market was artificially inflated on the premise that "house prices would keep rising forever and ever" and that's a big part of the reason that your house was the price it was when you bought it. So I refer you to my second point. Why shouldn't the bankers compensate people like yourself for losses that in effect, they have created? Especially if they are in public ownership?

 

I accept the situation and I didn't have a choice but I ain't going to go into that on here. I just don't like having some clown say '**** 'em' to people like myself, I want nothing from the state, I have always tried to do the best for my family.

 

I am not frustrated at my situation, the '**** 'em' remark has just hit a nerve. The man has no idea what he's talking about, his idea would be another white elephant and yet he thinks that I should have the value of my property further diluted and also pay out of my taxes (as I am proud to work) to fund his nonsense idea for those that will just trash them and then pick up the phone to the council and say 'Fix this, it's broke'.

 

Why should I/we who work take the hit twice? I have never been out of work, even under the Thatcher regime, I did anything that I could get to try and give a better standard of living for my family, why shouldn't I have a dream or a bit of ambition without being told '**** 'em' when it doesn't go as planned?

 

Maybe I should just do nothing too and get a new shiny social house for me and my family, paid for by the state? Is that what he wants? Then I can say '**** 'em' too, to all those hard working people who dared to have some stability in their life and have something to hand down to their children.

 

No chance, I am proud and it all comes down to attitude and I have a can do, not a can't do.

 

I'm sorry, but would it be right to say '**** 'em' to the pieces of scum that are ruining our streets? No, it would not, so why state '**** 'em' for hard working people like myself, who didn't have a choice but to take out a mortgage, sometimes circumstances conspire against people. I am not bitter, I get on with life and will always try and better myself, I just don't appreciate being put in his '**** 'em' category.

 

My mortgage is small, I can afford it easy but that's not the point.

[mcjwills]

I notice that Waterstone's the bookshop, charity shops are not being looted, these feral underclass seem only interested in attacking places that sell White goods, phones, jewellery, high end footwear & clothing. Quelle Suprise !!!

 

Just put troops on the street and supply them with live ammo and let them have free reign, bet the little buggers wont cause trouble then.

[benjii]

I notice that Waterstone's the bookshop, charity shops are not being looted, these feral underclass seem only interested in attacking places that sell White goods, phones, jewellery, high end footwear & clothing. Quelle Suprise !!!

 

Just put troops on the street and supply them with live ammo and let them have free reign, bet the little buggers wont cause trouble then.

 

TBF, looting for a paperback would be pretty lame.

[JRM]

there is a big mob out to protect the streets of Enflield as well http://yfrog.com/z/kh8efpfj

 

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[pap]

So you guys think that my radical plan is to:-

 

1) Build lots of new houses

2) Give them to people who are already causing problems in their own communities.

 

FWIW, I've worked all my life - from stacking shelves, pulling pints or doing what I do now. I'm not saying that we build a bunch of new houses, only to populate them with people who are causing issues in current houses. Who says that we have to employ the ridiculous system we use now, where a decent couple looking for their first home can get gazumped by a single lady with a lot of children.

 

Why would we even use the same criteria? Why not ask questions like "have you been in employment for two years" instead? They do exactly the same thing on a mortgage application. It's a measure of stability, a sign that you're someone who can pay your dues. It should be one of the first questions we ask someone who wants social housing, and prioritisation of people who can demonstrate this would be a powerful incentive to get people into employment.

Edited 9 August, 2011 by pap

[Jonnyboy]

I accept the situation and I didn't have a choice but I ain't going to go into that on here. I just don't like having some clown say '**** 'em' to people like myself, I want nothing from the state, I have always tried to do the best for my family.

 

I am not frustrated at my situation, the '**** 'em' remark has just hit a nerve. The man has no idea what he's talking about, his idea would be another white elephant and yet he thinks that I should have the value of my property further diluted and also pay out of my taxes (as I am proud to work) to fund his nonsense idea for those that will just trash them and then pick up the phone to the council and say 'Fix this, it's broke'.

 

Why should I/we who work take the hit twice? I have never been out of work, even under the Thatcher regime, I did anything that I could get to try and give a better standard of living for my family, why shouldn't I have a dream or a bit of ambition without being told '**** 'em' when it doesn't go as planned?

 

Maybe I should just do nothing too and get a new shiny social house for me and my family, paid for by the state? Is that what he wants? Then I can say '**** 'em' too, to all those hard working people who dared to have some stability in their life and have something to hand down to their children.

 

No chance, I am proud and it all comes down to attitude and I have a can do, not a can't do.

 

I'm sorry, but would it be right to say '**** 'em' to the pieces of scum that are ruining our streets? No, it would not, so why state '**** 'em' for hard working people like myself, who didn't have a choice but to take out a mortgage, sometimes circumstances conspire against people. I am not bitter, I get on with life and will always try and better myself, I just don't appreciate being put in his '**** 'em' category.

 

My mortgage is small, I can afford it easy but that's not the point.

 

What does it matter what your house is worth?

As a hard working family man surely it was bought in order to be a Home rather than an investment?

[Jonnyboy]

http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/04/exclusive-david-cameron-and-the-bullingdon-night-of-the-broken-window/#axzz1UYOYMryy

[JRM]

great mob of sikhs in southall out to protect their community, top mob of millwall/charlton out protecting eltham (millwall singing no one loots us) superb scenes, people fighting back and football lads coming together to make a stand,

[solentstars]

What does it matter what your house is worth?

As a hard working family man surely it was bought in order to be a Home rather than an investment?

i agree and its not a business is it,i own my home but i rather people invested in business than worry what their house is worth ,i thought after the housing crash in the states when even hillbillys were offered property they could not pay back and one of the causes of the world recession

[solentstars]

great mob of sikhs in southall out to protect their community, top mob of millwall/charlton out protecting eltham (millwall singing no one loots us) superb scenes, people fighting back and football lads coming together to make a stand,

 

don,t know if they were football fans but its nice to see the community come together standing upto the chav scum on our streets

[Guan 2.0]

I have a question why did the firemen not try to put the fire of the furniture before it took hold instead of letting it get out of control

and then subsequently setting fire to a nearby building in croydon

 

Did the politically correct health and safety laws come into play. The idea of letting buildings burn and getting the insurance companies to pick up the tab affects everyone in society.

 

And those two tarts on the BBC who thought it was fun to set fire and loot shops need stringing up. if she thinks small shop holders are rich she needs a reality check. Not only has her mates deprived shopkeepers of their earnings and home but they have also screwed their own folk. I hope the army is on standby to have a go at the looters and arsonist etc

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkHLiZMJeU&feature=related

[JRM]

don,t know if they were football fans but its nice to see the community come together standing upto the chav scum on our streets

 

Eltham is, millwall and charlton coming together i know a charlton who is there, Enflield mostly spurs, getting numbers together helps with football, more connected and sense of community and pride in their areas,

southall sikhs have superb numbers out, all ready for it if anyone attacks their shops and homes they will fight back.

[Sour Mash]

For all the hand-wringing about causes and consequences, the looting is really only about one thing: desire. And it’s shaped by the pervasive influence of a black youth subculture, shared by young whites and blacks alike and imported largely from the US, which places high status on ‘labels’ – for clothes, electronics, you name it.

 

The problem is that it’s hard enough if you’re on benefits or in school or in low-paid work to buy clothes or pay for your TV licence. But when you absolutely must have Gucci, Armani, Sony, Apple, Sky, Nike, etc., the gap between your desires and how to fulfill them becomes a yawning chasm. Unfortunately, the same subculture has violence and gangsterism written into its DNA – as well as a ‘this is mine if I want it’ mantra.

 

It’s a fatal mixture.

 

So when it became clear (very quickly) that the police were going to stand by as shops were emptied and torched, suddenly all those desires could be met in one orgiastic rush. (Hence the party atmosphere – the cheering and laughing – that many bystanders have observed). To hell with the idea that someone’s flat has just gone up in flames, or that a local business has been wiped out for good – the looter has a nice collection of labels to wear or stick on eBay, and a feeling that it is all gloriously justified because the loot has been ‘liberated’ from mainstream culture.

 

Which all amounts to saying that this subculture is a pyramid of nothing much more than violent selfishness.

 

Your first paragraph has a fair bit of sense in it, but it goes downhill after that. What about all the other young people from poorer backgrounds that manage to avoid the temptation provided by all this materialism and don't rob, loot and bully to get what they want? There are millions that manage it, so these scum can't blame their behaviour on this. And how many top designer stores were actually burgled? A few trainer shops, but the vast majority was pure vandalism, theft for the sake of theft, what about the picture of the lad with the massive bag of Tesco Economy rice? Was that as a result of seeing all the wealth and commercialism? Or was it because he was a little scrote who just took whatever he wanted, just because he could?

[Keglin]

The riots are clear confirmation of my long-held view that (insert pre-existing worldview here).

[Sour Mash]

Yep, my mates shop in Wolves has been turned over by Wolves casuals.

 

 

They don't look like "Casuals" to me and wouldn't fit with any football lads I know. Groups of lads from Spurs (Enfield), and Millwall/Charlton (Eltham) along with Sikhs in Southall out protecting and keeping the peace in their areas, top, top stuff.

[pap]

i agree and its not a business is it,i own my home but i rather people invested in business than worry what their house is worth ,i thought after the housing crash in the states when even hillbillys were offered property they could not pay back and one of the causes of the world recession

 

It was, and the amount of capital that flooded into the market pushed prices up higher. If you're lending money to people who can't really afford it, you're asking for trouble. People were pulling all sorts of tricks - the biggest I know of was self-certification - where people would literally invent their own salaries while everyone who was making a cut looked the other way. All short-term greed fuelled by something that Verbal alluded to in his post, unrealistic expectations.

 

For me, house prices should be in line with what people can afford, and houses are somewhere where you live, not something to make money off. We go to work or create businesses to do that.

[saint_jas]

It is absolutely crazy in Nottingham at the moment and 21,000 forest / notts fans are about to leave the stadium.... Should never have gone ahead.

[Thedelldays]

It was, and the amount of capital that flooded into the market pushed prices up higher. If you're lending money to people who can't really afford it, you're asking for trouble. People were pulling all sorts of tricks - the biggest I know of was self-certification - where people would literally invent their own salaries while everyone who was making a cut looked the other way. All short-term greed fuelled by something that Verbal alluded to in his post, unrealistic expectations.

 

For me, house prices should be in line with what people can afford, and houses are somewhere where you live, not something to make money off. We go to work or create businesses to do that.

 

why is there such obsession in this country to own your own home...?

[Barry the Badger]

BBC taking every opportunity to spout their hindsight bull**** about the police. ****es me off.

[Crazy Diamond]

Just been sent this...

 

"The photos from Portsmouth after the riots show utter devastation, with the streets full of rubble and the stench of poverty and resentment in the air. Lawlessness and chaos run the streets. Fratton Park has been left to resemble a run down shell of a building... Oh Hang on, there wasn't a riot in Portsmouth? Sorry, my bad..."

[Saint in Paradise]

Heard some brainless girl on radio this morning saying it was good fun and she hoped that it would continue tonight.

She also said something along the lines of it is attacking rich people because if you own a business you are rich. Well

when we owned our own business we were not rich and had lots of worries, we will never ever be self employed again.

 

What are the schools over there in the UK teaching them ? Obviously not how to read otherwise they would read that

the UK is in a major financial hole and the vast majority of small and businesses are struggling.

 

Anyway be safe people and keep well away from trouble.

 

 

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[pap]

why is there such obsession in this country to own your own home...?

 

Interesting question, but a big part of it is the fact that for most people, that's the easiest way to get a property in the area they want. A lot of people buy because they believe renting is "dead money", an understandable opinion. Another factor is that social housing can take ages to come through, and people want to make a home sooner than that.

 

There's also the bonus of having loads less outgoings once the mortgage is paid off - one aspect of life permanently sorted.

[Jonnyboy]

why is there such obsession in this country to own your own home...?

 

I suppose with rents having shot up due to the greedy boom in house prices, people feel as if renting is a waste of hard earned money. I can sympathise.

[stthrobber]

So you would rather spend money locking people up than addressing the root cause of the problem?

 

Ultimately, any problem this country has with its youth is a result of what we, or our ancestors have done. I think we owe them better solutions than the one that you propose.

 

Yes, if you lock them up they can't riot and cause misery. Once that's done, the govt should grow some balls, stop the PC diversity ******** and human rights act and show these idiots that if they commit crimes, then they will face the punishment.

 

We owe them nothing. They riot because they can, not because of some social deprivation issue. That's what the left wing apologists would have us believe, but it doesn't wash with me. They respect nothing and deserve nothing

Edited 9 August, 2011 by stthrobber

[Thedelldays]

well, all the hug-a-hoodie, ASBO, respect campaigns etc etc have clearly worked...

 

well done labour and dave