JRM Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Very ill-timed press release by the IPCC:No evidence that Mark Duggan fired at Police Officers but he had a gun, so should they have waited for him to shoot? f*ck him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 a few yobs gathered in plymouth city centre..one of my best mates at work had his pikey brother-in-law within them... this is the text my mate got....word for word as he forward it to me.. "m8, in town, going to get me a free tv and clothes..old bill are pussies" sums it up for me... (nothing happened really in plymouth mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 apprently, mark duggen was on his way to execute someone.....thank god he is dead.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Very ill-timed press release by the IPCC:No evidence that Mark Duggan fired at Police Officers Who cares? Fact is he had a gun on him. You take the law in to your own hands and you deal with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 apprently, mark duggen was on his way to execute someone.....thank god he is dead.. And you know this how, exactly? Do you have a link to this statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 And you know this how, exactly? Do you have a link to this statement? on one of the various news reports I heard the other day.......but then again, it was not in the guardian so you wont even know about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Profound? Or a complete over-simplification of the complexity of the issue? Surely a more relevant analysis would be to ask what they must have done illegally, or at least outside of mainstream society's wealth generating mechanisms in order to pull themselves out of poverty to be able to afford those things? three things the black rude boys cant get enough of, trainers, mobile phones and fried chicken, no wonder some of them even looted Nandos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Profound? Or a complete over-simplification of the complexity of the issue? Surely a more relevant analysis would be to ask what they must have done illegally, or at least outside of mainstream society's wealth generating mechanisms in order to pull themselves out of poverty to be able to afford those things? Not an over-simplication, I think it's pretty much spot on. Irrespective of age, you'd know right from wrong in these circumstances. Stop giving them excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I have a question why did the firemen not try to put the fire of the furniture before it took hold instead of letting it get out of control and then subsequently setting fire to a nearby building in croydon Did the politically correct health and safety laws come into play. The idea of letting buildings burn and getting the insurance companies to pick up the tab affects everyone in society. And those two tarts on the BBC who thought it was fun to set fire and loot shops need stringing up. if she thinks small shop holders are rich she needs a reality check. Not only has her mates deprived shopkeepers of their earnings and home but they have also screwed their own folk. I hope the army is on standby to have a go at the looters and arsonist etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 (edited) just a question why don't all the pampered rich elites take to the streets , rioting and looting, if its such fun? As for the police being too scared to act for fear of enquiries etc, it doesn't seem to bother them at football matches. What looters and rioters are doing is wrong. The way that our society is run for the benefit of just a few, at the expense of the many, is unforgivable. Because they can afford to buy fun in other ways? However: "in 2005, following damage to a 15th century pub in Oxfordshire during a dinner, four members of the party were arrested; the incident was widely reported.[16] A further dinner was reported in 2010 after damage to a country house" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club Small beer, in the scheme of things, I know. Edited 9 August, 2011 by bridge too far Forgot to source the text <doh> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 get the soldiers, sailors and airman... preferably those not long back from libya or afghan to quash this.....little punks wont know what his them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I have a question why did the firemen not try to put the fire of the furniture before it took hold instead of letting it get out of control and then subsequently setting fire to a nearby building in croydon Did the politically correct health and safety laws come into play. The idea of letting buildings burn and getting the insurance companies to pick up the tab affects everyone in society. And those two tarts on the BBC who thought it was fun to set fire and loot shops need stringing up. if she thinks small shop holders are rich she needs a reality check. Not only has her mates deprived shopkeepers of their earnings and home but they have also screwed their own folk. I hope the army is on standby to have a go at the looters and arsonist etc Probably more to do with the police not letting them near it for their own safety as heard reports earlier that even the firefighters were being targeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Because they can afford to buy fun in other ways? So that's your attempt at rationalising what's been going on? Jesus wept. And there was me thinking you were one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. My heart bleeds for the poor little cherubs, it really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 (edited) Surely the point made is that whilst that may be true, there must be a reason(s) why these youngsters are like that. Poor parenting? A lack of education? Ostracised from society? Poverty? It strikes me as strange that people who are calling these kids yobs and scum don't seem to want to address why they are turning out to be yobs and scum Er, yes I'm perfectly happy to address why they're acting like scum thanks. The thriving "gangster" culture in many of our cities, the attitude of many parts of the black community to "do what you want, don't let anyone tell you otherwise", large parts of society realising they can do what they want and soft modern Britain will do bugger all about it. Apologists like you do a massive diservice to all the decent hard working, "working class" people that don't resort to looting, bullying and intimidating and ruining innocent people's homes and livelihoods, all those who go about their lives working hard to better themselves. London is one of the best, most open-minded cities in the world - work hard, show the right attitude and there are decent opportunities for all. There are no excuses for behaving like these people do, so don't even pretend that there are. Edited 9 August, 2011 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 on one of the various news reports I heard the other day.......but then again, it was not in the guardian so you wont even know about it Hey - clever comment there TDD I've just googled 'Mark Duggan execution', gone through about 7 pages and the only reference I can find to 'execution' is a statement from the IPCC denying that he was killed 'execution style'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 To lighten the mood a little ... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ladbrokes-dont-****-about-when-it-comes-to-TV-brackets/158132924263785 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Er, yes I'm perfectly happy to address why they're acting like scum thanks. The profiliation of "gangster" culture in many of our cities, the attitude of many parts of the black community to "do what you want, don't let anyone tell you otherwise", large parts of society realising they can do what they want and soft modern Britain will do bugger all about it. Apologists like you do a massive diservice to all the decent hard working, "working class" people that don't resort to looting, bullying and intimidating and ruining innocent people's homes and livelihoods, all those who go about their lives working hard to better themselves. London is one of the best, most open-minded cities in the world - work hard, show the right attitude and there are decent opportunities for all. There are no excuses for behaving like these people do, so don't even pretend that there are. Top post! Too many posters seem to think that these looters are representatives of the working class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 So that's your attempt at rationalising what's been going on? Jesus wept. And there was me thinking you were one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. My heart bleeds for the poor little cherubs, it really does. No - it's not. Did you notice the ? at the end of that bit? Just offering it up as a possibility. But if my grandchildren want fun, their parents can afford to take them swimming, to Center Parcs, to football coaching courses (although by no means are their parents rich - far from it - but they are working and just about managing). That's what I mean about buying fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 No, that's not my point. The Met have a dreadful track record for having a tin ear for how to respond. whether it's kettling 15 year olds or standing by watching as rioters take over. By saying ' ho hum, damned if they do, damned if they don't', you're simply excusing their management failures. The cops on the ground know what's needed; their overseers do not. I don't doubt that's fundamentally true. I've not known (m)any senior management of any large organisation have a clue how to run things on the shop floor. But, are you saying that the 'shop floor' officers knew, say, yesterday morning how many rioters there would be on the streets of London later that evening? My understanding (which could be wrong) is that there was no significant pre-warning of how large the problem was going to get. How did the cops on the ground know with such accuracy how many cops the management should have been recalling from holiday and redeploying from other assignments so far in advance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Profound? Or a complete over-simplification of the complexity of the issue? Surely a more relevant analysis would be to ask what they must have done illegally, or at least outside of mainstream society's wealth generating mechanisms in order to pull themselves out of poverty to be able to afford those things? I don't think it's an over-simplification. The motive for this seems very simple - kick off against the law because there are loads of people doing it and it's fun and when they can't stop us, let's see what we can nick from the shops. I suspect this is more the motive than a deep seated disaffection with society. Whilst i don't doubt the validity of some of that argument, it would pretty much mean that the billions spent over the last 30 years on social inclusion, housing upgrades, etc, etc, has been a complete waste of money. But i don't buy it; the wannabee gangstas of the estates would rather nick, threaten, lie and steal, as well as make life a fookin nightmare for the decent folk who live in the same place, than work and be a valuable member of society. However, I will be very interested to see the social profile of those nicked, charged and penalised for this. I bet a tenner that they are not all poverty stricken social outcasts from inner city ghettos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 No - it's not. Did you notice the ? at the end of that bit? Just offering it up as a possibility. But if my grandchildren want fun, their parents can afford to take them swimming, to Center Parcs, to football coaching courses (although by no means are their parents rich - far from it - but they are working and just about managing). That's what I mean about buying fun. Not having that as an excuse. Most of these kids on the estates that you speak of have got enough money to drink every night, carry guns and knifes, wear trainers and jewellery and buy drugs but havent for £2 to go swimming? Do me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I knew this would happen the minute cher lloyd got to number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Not having that as an excuse. Most of these kids on the estates that you speak of have got enough money to drink every night, carry guns and knifes, wear trainers and jewellery and buy drugs but havent for £2 to go swimming? Do me a favour. I haven't spoken of any estates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Indeed. The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't. so they should shoot a couple of them and hang a couple more, works in China. The British Police are a joke anyway with their silly little riot shields, no tear gas, no sidearms,no nothing. When this sort of rabble hang about in the "cités" the sight of a CRS's mitrailleuse does them a world of good, no need to use it, the rabble know that some of the lads are just in a "go ahead and make my day" mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 so they should shoot a couple of them and hang a couple more, works in China. The British Police are a joke anyway with their silly little riot shields, no tear gas, no sidearms,no nothing. When this sort of rabble hang about in the "cités" the sight of a CRS's mitrailleuse does them a world of good, no need to use it, the rabble know that some of the lads are just in a "go ahead and make my day" mindset. You think so? The annual Bastille Day riots in Paris and other major French cities would suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Worm Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bs_tab Top 7 items are baseball bats and a police baton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 three things the black rude boys cant get enough of, trainers, mobile phones and fried chicken, no wonder some of them even looted Nandos. Nandos is grilled...not fried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I have not bleat on about being a council estate kid who made good. I have never used where i came from as an excuse for my behaviour. You obviously have. I was brought up to respect other people, to respect other peoples property, to not go around causing pointless trouble, to know that if i want something that maybe other families have that i have to work hard and save up for those things. Make some sacrifices. Most people who come from a council estate are decent people. Around 99% will be law abiding people who understand the realities of where they are and know that to change that they have to work hard as it won't be given to you. Those things are not taught to you, they are things you know from being a decent human being. If you go away from that and decide your better off being out there commiting crimes then as i said before you should accept the consequences of your actions. St Marco, You have made some excellent posts today. I salute you sir!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I don't think it's an over-simplification. The motive for this seems very simple - kick off against the law because there are loads of people doing it and it's fun and when they can't stop us, let's see what we can nick from the shops. I suspect this is more the motive than a deep seated disaffection with society. Whilst i don't doubt the validity of some of that argument, it would pretty much mean that the billions spent over the last 30 years on social inclusion, housing upgrades, etc, etc, has been a complete waste of money. But i don't buy it; the wannabee gangstas of the estates would rather nick, threaten, lie and steal, as well as make life a fookin nightmare for the decent folk who live in the same place, than work and be a valuable member of society. However, I will be very interested to see the social profile of those nicked, charged and penalised for this. I bet a tenner that they are not all poverty stricken social outcasts from inner city ghettos. Two aren't separate, though - I agree that alot are driven by the buzz pure and simple; but that degree of short-termism, that lack of stake in community or society which means anything goes has to come from somewhere. Why do you think Thatcher pushed right-to-buy for council housing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Very ill-timed press release by the IPCC:No evidence that Mark Duggan fired at Police Officers It also says the non issued police gun which he is believed to have had was REAL with a bullet in the magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14460554 The 2nd video on that article sums up the majority of morons involved in the rioting I think: Reporter: "So it's 9 in the morning and you're drinking wine and drunk" Girl: "Yeah I know it's great. Free alcohol innit" Reporter: "Why are you doing this" Girl: "Its the governmenents fault innit. Them conservatives or whoever it is in charge. Is it them? We wanna show the police we can do whatever we want" It's the stupidity of it that annoys me most. If they knew why they were doing it ...well it'd still be stupid....but not as ridiculously stupid as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Not having that as an excuse. Most of these kids on the estates that you speak of have got enough money to drink every night, carry guns and knifes, wear trainers and jewellery and buy drugs but havent for £2 to go swimming? Do me a favour.i expect their drug dealing ,burglaryand street robbery pays for a lot of their bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bs_tab Top 7 items are baseball bats and a police baton That's astonishing! For defence? Or for smashing windows...? Also, somewhat intrigued as to what Sport/Leisure purpose Amazon expects for the telescopic police baton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 No - it's not. Did you notice the ? at the end of that bit? Just offering it up as a possibility. But if my grandchildren want fun, their parents can afford to take them swimming, to Center Parcs, to football coaching courses (although by no means are their parents rich - far from it - but they are working and just about managing). That's what I mean about buying fun. This is the attitude I seriously can't stand and hold directly responsible for the state of this once great nation. So out of touch. Don't you see that the vast majority of this country's previously silent majority have had enough of the soft treatment of certain sections of society that are seemingly happy to make life hell for those around them. Loads of people grow up without any money, I used to play football over at my local park, didn't cost me a penny, same with a lot of mates who had bugger all money growing up - no flash trainers, hooded jackets and Blackberry Mobiles or Twitter accounts. You do such a diservice to all those decent people that don't have money, that do come from council estates, but work hard and try their best without resorting to being robbing, looting, bullying thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I knew this would happen the minute cher lloyd got to number 1ha ha made me laugh but at least the chavs on the street have a another trashy role model to aspire to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Millwall and a few Charlton have packed out pubs in Eltham and are waiting to defend the area. Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I don't think it's an over-simplification. The motive for this seems very simple - kick off against the law because there are loads of people doing it and it's fun and when they can't stop us, let's see what we can nick from the shops. I suspect this is more the motive than a deep seated disaffection with society. Whilst i don't doubt the validity of some of that argument, it would pretty much mean that the billions spent over the last 30 years on social inclusion, housing upgrades, etc, etc, has been a complete waste of money. But i don't buy it; the wannabee gangstas of the estates would rather nick, threaten, lie and steal, as well as make life a fookin nightmare for the decent folk who live in the same place, than work and be a valuable member of society. However, I will be very interested to see the social profile of those nicked, charged and penalised for this. I bet a tenner that they are not all poverty stricken social outcasts from inner city ghettos. Good post and I wouldn't take up your bet; my money would be where yours is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 i expect their drug dealing ,burglaryand street robbery pays for a lot of their bling but bridge too far is worried they can't afford to go swimming so have to riot instead, they should set a side more cash for fun, really bad budgeting by that community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 This is the attitude I seriously can't stand and hold directly responsible for the state of this once great nation. So out of touch. Don't you see that the vast majority of this country's previously silent majority have had enough of the soft treatment of certain sections of society that are seemingly happy to make life hell for those around them. Loads of people grow up without any money, I used to play football over at my local park, didn't cost me a penny, same with a lot of mates who had bugger all money growing up - no flash trainers, hooded jackets and Blackberry Mobiles or Twitter accounts. You do such a diservice to all those decent people that don't have money, that do come from council estates, but work hard and try their best without resorting to being robbing, looting, bullying thugs. good post i grew up on a council estate and we had a great community but those people looting in london are just criminal scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I wonder if my local council is the first...? Hammersmith and Fulham have said that anyone convicted of looting will have housing benefit cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 good post i grew up on a council estate and we had a great community but those people looting in london are just criminal scum ditto I just cant stand people excusing these actions...or trying to in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I wonder if my local council is the first...? Hammersmith and Fulham have said that anyone convicted of looting will have housing benefit cut. Decent news, but note the word "cut" rather than removed......we'll be paying them £100 a week towards their rent rather than £150............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 Decent news, but note the word "cut" rather than removed......we'll be paying them £100 a week towards their rent rather than £150............. No. Cut, as in cut off. Removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I can't confirm if it is linked to the civil unrest but there is a bloody huge fire by South Parade pier in Southsea. What used to be Joannas nightclub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 This is the attitude I seriously can't stand and hold directly responsible for the state of this once great nation. So out of touch. Don't you see that the vast majority of this country's previously silent majority have had enough of the soft treatment of certain sections of society that are seemingly happy to make life hell for those around them. Loads of people grow up without any money, I used to play football over at my local park, didn't cost me a penny, same with a lot of mates who had bugger all money growing up - no flash trainers, hooded jackets and Blackberry Mobiles or Twitter accounts. You do such a diservice to all those decent people that don't have money, that do come from council estates, but work hard and try their best without resorting to being robbing, looting, bullying thugs. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 but bridge too far is worried they can't afford to go swimming so have to riot instead, they should set a side more cash for fun, really bad budgeting by that community. What if they can't afford Center Parks but can afford Butlins - is that a reason to riot? I think so. What if you can afford to go swimming at off-peak times, but not the peak hours? That's probably fair as well, why should they not have the "right"? What about if you can only afford one new pair of Nike Air max this month and you've seen someone else get two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 No. Cut, as in cut off. Removed. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I can't confirm if it is linked to the civil unrest but there is a bloody huge fire by South Parade pier in Southsea. What used to be Joannas nightclub. noooooooooooooo arry redknapp own much of that area...fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 I can't confirm if it is linked to the civil unrest but there is a bloody huge fire by South Parade pier in Southsea. What used to be Joannas nightclub. Otherwise previously known as, 'The Royal Navy School of Dancing'. That place always was a complete and utter dump; I would still go in there mind (especially when a mate was a bouncer so I got in for free). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 August, 2011 Share Posted 9 August, 2011 ditto I just cant stand people excusing these actions...or trying to in any way i agree and their are alot of decent people on council estates and in my day you never robbed from your own unfortunately these chavs hoodie type have no respect for anything or anybody and i wish we had american style boot camps run by the army to kick their backsides into shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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