Stern gone!

[corsacar saint]

This must prove once and for all, that Lowe knows absolutely nothing about football.

Surely having got rid of two of your main strikers, you do not get rid of probably the

only other striker, capable of scoring the goals to keep us up.[ And for those saying it

is imperative due to the finances, is going down a division really gong to be a step in the right direction].

I am pretty sure that he did not want to leave either.

[Alain Perrin]

What you say may well be the truth.

But if you get rid of our proven goalscorers and replace them with players who cant hit a barn door,then expect

1-A lower goal tally,

2-Lower crowds,

3-Lower income,

4-Lower league football.

 

What you say may well be the truth.

But if you get don't rid of our highest earners and replace them with players who will be paid less,then expect

1-Administration,

2-A points deduction,

3-A firesale,

4-Lower league football.

 

Not an easy decision is it?

[ottery st mary]

What you say may well be the truth.

But if you get don't rid of our highest earners and replace them with players who will be paid less,then expect

1-Administration,

2-A points deduction,

3-A firesale,

4-Lower league football.

 

Not an easy decision is it?

 

Up to a point we all understand that but at least bring in reasonable players

for the right positions and hopefully fit players would have been advisable.

Pulis, Smith, Gasmi, Robertson, Forecast etc In my own naive way I thought we could do better than this. I would have rather persevere with our youth and supplement what we had with some sensible purchase/loans.

[Whitey Grandad]

What you say may well be the truth.

But if you get don't rid of our highest earners and replace them with players who will be paid less,then expect

1-Administration,

2-A points deduction,

3-A firesale,

4-Lower league football.

 

Not an easy decision is it?

You're right - it isn't - but what I don't think has been factored in is the loss of revenue from the falling attendances, and if anybody thinks that this season's crowds are poor then just wait until next season!

[pilsburydoughboy]

Another brilliant and desicive descion by SFC.

Rupert"No need to worry Jan our youngsters will be scoring at will in this league,just so long as none of the teams push us around or bully them".

[Guest Hacienda]

No I have not I dont live anywhere near Southampton

 

So what?

 

Nor do I but I've seen us play with and without SJ up front.

 

Put simply, just for you, we were a better side with him in it.

[Guest Hacienda]

So you have nothing constructive to say then.

 

You certainly don't.

[Alain Perrin]

Nor do I but I've seen us play with and without SJ up front.

 

Put simply, just for you, we were a better side with him in it.

 

Not sure I agree with this. He clearly is a good player but for me has the tendency to score the spectacular and miss the simple.

[Alain Perrin]

You're right - it isn't - but what I don't think has been factored in is the loss of revenue from the falling attendances, and if anybody thinks that this season's crowds are poor then just wait until next season!

 

I;d be interested to know what a 1000 extra fans brings the club. It's not simple maths because there are costs/away games to deduct too.

 

I'd suspect that you'd need c.3000 to cover SJ's salary. So stay away fans..... still think you're keeping money out of Lowe's pocket

[Chez]

OS says "unable to guarentee him a first team place and the WAGES THAT GO WITH IT."

 

A carefull worded release that tells you his contract includes a huge appearance fee.

 

From that I would conclude that Skacel is almost certainly on the same sort deal (as rumoured on here) and the reason why both have not been played unless absolutely neccesary.

 

To be honest I am surprised someone did not take him in the summer. My guess is that Bristol City are not paying all his wages during this loan period (we pay a percentage) or if we are lucky a deal has been struck whereby Bristol are paying a flat rate slightly higher than he got here with no appearance fee.

 

I know he scored goals last season and thats what he does but I wish we had never signed him. Apart from the fact I hate lazy bastard players like him, at the time we had countless other strikers and hsi wages are part of the reason we are in this mess. Having Rasiak AND John was stupid. Rediculous even.

[solentstars]

I;d be interested to know what a 1000 extra fans brings the club. It's not simple maths because there are costs/away games to deduct too.

 

I'd suspect that you'd need c.3000 to cover SJ's salary. So stay away fans..... still think you're keeping money out of Lowe's pocket

i agree,i like stern but he looks out of place in the teams system and will perform better in a 4-4-2 system.

[Guest Hacienda]

Not sure I agree with this. He clearly is a good player but for me has the tendency to score the spectacular and miss the simple.

 

Playing one upfront requires a player to know how to play back to goal and hold it up.

 

SJ could do this and DM can't.

 

As for missing chances, well, is DM clinical?

[um pahars]

I;d be interested to know what a 1000 extra fans brings the club. It's not simple maths because there are costs/away games to deduct too.

 

I'd suspect that you'd need c.3000 to cover SJ's salary. So stay away fans..... still think you're keeping money out of Lowe's pocket

 

But why are fans staying away????

 

Quite simply because we haven't been winning games (particularly at home).

 

And one of the main reasons we haven't been winning games is because we have only scored 5 goals in 6 home games.

 

And IMHO one of the reasons we haven't scored many is because our top scorer last season hasn't really featured.

 

And so we don't win many home games and fewer fans turn up.

 

It's a downward vicious circle with the cause and effects being obvious to almost everyone (except a few who really can make a difference!!!!!!).

 

Any fool can cut costs, it's easy.

 

What is more difficult is getting a side together that wins games and brings the fans back, which in turn increases revenue, which in turn means we can hold on to players.

 

Some may say that the fans have to do their side of the bargain first and turn up, but I'm fed up of fans being blamed for our current predicament. We have always been the innocent victims of mistakes, egos and failures. IMHO it is up to the board and the management to start delivering.

 

Now of course if we had a board and leadership that fans trusted and respected, then there could be a chance that a rallying call would galvanise the fans to turn up irrespective of results, but sadly the current leadership are a million mies away from being able to do that.

 

So results on the pitch are even more paramount to boosting crowds, which brings us back to the folly of releasing probably the ony player left on the staff who can score on a regular basis.

Edited 25 October, 2008 by um pahars

[LostBoys]

Bottom three by the weekend then the panic button

[SW11_Saint]

Another nail in our coffin. Rudderless, spiritless, destitute.

 

Where this will end, god knows... (it'll start wtih League 1 football obviously).

[SaintRobbie]

OK - enough is enough.

 

I had said I would boycott Saints when Lowe returned - but I continued to go and support the lads.

 

No longer. That's it - I'm out.

 

John was the last decent player who MIGHT have saved us again this season. We are going down unless we get rid of Lowe and Wilde before Xmas and see a takeover at SMS.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

I'm gutted by this news. SJ played really well on Tuesday and if he had been more match sharp from having had more appearances he would have scored a goal. Sadly he missed our best chance, but everything else he did on the night was good.

 

I don't see how we can hope DMc will get the goals. As many have said, this is completely false economy. What we gain in having Stern's wages paid we will lose in lost supporter revenue and the costs of relegation to League 1. RL rarely had the plot, but whatever plot he had is now completely lost!

[musesaint]

I'm gutted by this news. SJ played really well on Tuesday and if he had been more match sharp from having had more appearances he would have scored a goal. Sadly he missed our best chance, but everything else he did on the night was good.

 

I don't see how we can hope DMc will get the goals. As many have said, this is completely false economy. What we gain in having Stern's wages paid we will lose in lost supporter revenue and the costs of relegation to League 1. RL rarely had the plot, but whatever plot he had is now completely lost!

 

I agree SJ is a great player but sadly he has missed as many as he scores

[um pahars]

I agree SJ is a great player but sadly he has missed as many as he scores

 

I would happily settle for someone who can stick away 20 goals from 40 chances!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

If you did a similar analysis on McGoldrick, it would be something like 1 from 40!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I agree SJ is a great player but sadly he has missed as many as he scores

 

19 Last season

 

Will McGoldrick or anyone else get anywhere near that?....i think not:(

[SuperMikey]

It's official, we're completely f*cked. SJ was the one player who I feel could have dug us out of the hole we're in, his goals virtually kept us up this season.

 

A very poor decision on behalf of whoever has shipped him out (RL I should imagine..) and now we have to face the consequences.

 

In other news, does anyone else really want Ian Dowie to take over the manager's position at the club?

[Saint_clark]

I've only just realised what the original poster did with the title on this thread. Very clever.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Could have done with SJ today. Dont look like scoring at all and although I fully appreciate we are financially fooked, its a false economy selling someone like Stern.

 

Its a joke. We are a joke. League one is a formality, you cant rely on a boy to do a mans job.

[Norm]

But why are fans staying away????

 

Quite simply because we haven't been winning games (particularly at home).

 

And one of the main reasons we haven't been winning games is because we have only scored 5 goals in 6 home games.

 

And IMHO one of the reasons we haven't scored many is because our top scorer last season hasn't really featured.

 

And so we don't win many home games and fewer fans turn up.

 

It's a downward vicious circle with the cause and effects being obvious to almost everyone (except a few who really can make a difference!!!!!!).

 

Any fool can cut costs, it's easy.

 

What is more difficult is getting a side together that wins games and brings the fans back, which in turn increases revenue, which in turn means we can hold on to players.

 

Some may say that the fans have to do their side of the bargain first and turn up, but I'm fed up of fans being blamed for our current predicament. We have always been the innocent victims of mistakes, egos and failures. IMHO it is up to the board and the management to start delivering.

 

Now of course if we had a board and leadership that fans trusted and respected, then there could be a chance that a rallying call would galvanise the fans to turn up irrespective of results, but sadly the current leadership are a million mies away from being able to do that.

 

So results on the pitch are even more paramount to boosting crowds, which brings us back to the folly of releasing probably the ony player left on the staff who can score on a regular basis.

 

Summed up very well, sadly.(imho)

[master]

It would seem that we have gone from being a Prem team struggling at the foot of the table and who occaisionally get lucky with a run in the FA cup to a team in the CCC who will struggle at the foot of the table and maybe get a run in the carling cup until the bigger teams come into it.

[teamsaint]

I strongly suspect that a budget has been set for L1 next year.............

[JustMike]

we are fubar'ed

[Leicestersaint]

SJ's wages were far too high...

[rocknrollman no2]

SJ's wages were far too high...

 

So was his goal count compaired to Mc Goldricks.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

we are fubar'ed

 

(fuc*ed up beyond all recognition) for any non military types on here . A perfectly fair summary of our current situation IMO .

[ponto1963]

WE ARE LEAGUE 1 BOUND. Selling our best striker to the mighty Bristol City, a true measure of how shyte we have become. I am fukcing embarrassed and ashamed of Southampton FC

 

Agreed, It's a crying shame what's happened to this club since Sturrock was kicked out. :confused:

[sperm_john]

this is my saddest day