Lowe out

[Delmary]

From BBC 606 board:

 

Swansea fan in peace. I've been amazed at the decline of Southampton. It wasn't long ago that you were in the FA Cup Final, playing in Europe, and under Stracthon (I know that's the wrong spelling but can't remember how to spell it) you were sitting mid-table in the PL. Now, not only have you flirted with relegation last season, it seems your aim every season is staying up, and getting a draw away from home is a good result for you. Smaller clubs like Burnley, Cardiff, Preston, and ourselves (swansea) aim to soon be in the PL. If you were relegated, I wouldn't be surprised to see you struggle in League 1. Your board seem utterly unambitious particularly the history and size of Southampton FC

 

[Delmary]

A while back we had a number of alternative routes we could have pursued.

 

We could have gone for an alternative manager to Jan.

 

We could have considered an alternative style of play.

 

We could have brought in alternative players to the 8 or 9 we did.

 

We could have done alot of footballing things differently during the close season.

 

And with regards leadership we could have gone for an alternative set up in the boardroom, but no one, including Crouch, looked beyond themseves as an alternative.

 

We could have looked to have formed a board and leadership that the supporters would have respected, trusted and as a result would have rallied around, but instead the main players fought amongst themselves for control of the hot seat.

 

There were alternatives, and to suggest Lowe, Jan and the youngsters were the only option is naive and simplistic.

 

However, there may well be a case to suggest we are now lumbered with what we have got on and off the pitch.

 

We can live in hope (which is all that is left for many), but Lowe is inextricably linked with Jan and so I see no movement there and I'm not sure the shareholders have the vision or passion to seek out any alternative on or off the pitch.

 

Lowe has certainly made his bed, the only problem is that it's not a praticularly comfortable bed, and few want to share it with him!

 

Salz was keen to be plc chairman back in Jan 08 but Lowe refused to fully support the move as he was planning his own come back. This is 100% true. What a missed opportunity!

[Wes Tender]

A while back we had a number of alternative routes we could have pursued.

 

We could have gone for an alternative manager to Jan.

 

We could have considered an alternative style of play.

 

We could have brought in alternative players to the 8 or 9 we did.

 

We could have done alot of footballing things differently during the close season.

 

And with regards leadership we could have gone for an alternative set up in the boardroom, but no one, including Crouch, looked beyond themseves as an alternative.

 

We could have looked to have formed a board and leadership that the supporters would have respected, trusted and as a result would have rallied around, but instead the main players fought amongst themselves for control of the hot seat.

 

There were alternatives, and to suggest Lowe, Jan and the youngsters were the only option is naive and simplistic.

 

However, there may well be a case to suggest we are now lumbered with what we have got on and off the pitch.

We can live in hope (which is all that is left for many), but Lowe is inextricably linked with Jan and so I see no movement there and I'm not sure the shareholders have the vision or passion to seek out any alternative on or off the pitch.

 

Lowe has certainly made his bed, the only problem is that it's not a praticularly comfortable bed, and few want to share it with him!

 

Agree 100%.

 

But even what we are lumbered with now is rather transient, as it is inevitable that we will be forced to sell any decent players in January, so things will decline further. Although we might redress the financial problems for a short while, the diminishing attendances will decline further as we lose more games without those quality players and therefore financial pressures will increase further, perpetuating the downward spiral.

 

Administration is going to happen sooner or later, probably shortly after relegation, if we make it that far.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Do you know what, I am so glad we have all these financial and football experts on here to help us get through this situation. Obviousely, the fiscal prudence and succesful business acumen means that you all know more than Rupert, and that is why he is a highly rated businessman and why you lot are posting on a ****ing forum. As far as I'm concerned, unless ANY of you can prove your business success by buying him out your opinion doesn't matter one ****ing jot, because I guarantee you have no idea how to run a big company and try to get a club constantly making a loss out of trouble.

 

So come on, either put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and show everyone exactly how to run a business, or shut up and accept that you saying 'Lowe out' and trying to second guess his decisions as he 'tries to take us into administration' is stupid, and in the whole scheme of things pointless.

 

The worst thing is that the more 'impresssionable' users of this forum believe what you say because you say it in a forthright way. It must make you all feel so important to have the constant gratification of people agreeing with you, even though they know as much as you do.

 

As you can tell this winds me up. Oh and I'm not that keen on Lowe, I just think he's the best we've got at the moment...

[um pahars]

Salz was keen to be plc chairman back in Jan 08 but Lowe refused to fully support the move as he was planning his own come back. This is 100% true. What a missed opportunity!

 

Something I alluded to when I said:

 

"We could have looked to have formed a board and leadership that the supporters would have respected, trusted and as a result would have rallied around, but instead the main players fought amongst themselves for control of the hot seat."

 

Egos (and personal greed???) ensured that personal ambitions and desires were put before the good of the Club, as each of the main shareholding blocks fought to get their man in the hot seat.

 

Why were many of them so shortsighted to think that the only alternatives were from the existing (and failed) shareholders?????

[mprobert]

Nice variation - instead of starting a thread on just about anything and then 10 or so posts into the thread turning it round to "Lowe out" why not just start of with one - genius!

[Calvin]

I agree.. Honestly.. he couldn't give a **** about this club, hence the reason why he isn't mentally prepared to save this club with his own money, same with Wilde. Wilde actually does have money as well!. Instead, he puts Stern on loan. A striker with great experience.

I am ****ed supporting a ****ed up club where the board doesn't care enough to invest their own money. I agree with the saving idea but putting Stern on loan and not having Stacel (???) hardly play is a ****ing stupid idea

 

Honestly, I can't be ****ed. I wont be attending a Saints game anymore, until the club sorts itself out. to be honest, I can't be ****ed to watch Saints with Lowe in charge. and I've lost the feeling to care.

 

I would attend if the board cared and if we took risks.

The negative downfall of the club in general, is the main factor why I wont attend anymore. I love Saints but it's too painful to watch a pathetic club with Lowe in charge.

[Delmary]

Do you know what, I am so glad we have all these financial and football experts on here to help us get through this situation. Obviousely, the fiscal prudence and succesful business acumen means that you all know more than Rupert, and that is why he is a highly rated businessman and why you lot are posting on a ****ing forum. As far as I'm concerned, unless ANY of you can prove your business success by buying him out your opinion doesn't matter one ****ing jot, because I guarantee you have no idea how to run a big company and try to get a club constantly making a loss out of trouble.

 

So come on, either put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and show everyone exactly how to run a business, or shut up and accept that you saying 'Lowe out' and trying to second guess his decisions as he 'tries to take us into administration' is stupid, and in the whole scheme of things pointless.

 

The worst thing is that the more 'impresssionable' users of this forum believe what you say because you say it in a forthright way. It must make you all feel so important to have the constant gratification of people agreeing with you, even though they know as much as you do.

 

As you can tell this winds me up. Oh and I'm not that keen on Lowe, I just think he's the best we've got at the moment...

The best we've got at the moment:rolleyes: There are plenty of alertnatives. This guy for instance:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2942831/Business-profile-An-Outsider-with-fresh-eyes.html

 

The very English 56-year-old has worked on some of Britain's most high-profile deals and his contacts book is said by people who know him to be one of the best in the City.

 

He's also vice-executive chairman of Rothschild and a Saints fan.

 

He makes Lowe look rather amateurish and second rate. Therefore there was an alternative but Lowe and Wilde blew it!

[Johnny Bognor]

Do you know what, I am so glad we have all these financial and football experts on here to help us get through this situation. Obviousely, the fiscal prudence and succesful business acumen means that you all know more than Rupert, and that is why he is a highly rated businessman and why you lot are posting on a ****ing forum. As far as I'm concerned, unless ANY of you can prove your business success by buying him out your opinion doesn't matter one ****ing jot, because I guarantee you have no idea how to run a big company and try to get a club constantly making a loss out of trouble.

 

So come on, either put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and show everyone exactly how to run a business, or shut up and accept that you saying 'Lowe out' and trying to second guess his decisions as he 'tries to take us into administration' is stupid, and in the whole scheme of things pointless.

 

The worst thing is that the more 'impresssionable' users of this forum believe what you say because you say it in a forthright way. It must make you all feel so important to have the constant gratification of people agreeing with you, even though they know as much as you do.

 

As you can tell this winds me up. Oh and I'm not that keen on Lowe, I just think he's the best we've got at the moment...

 

Dibden, not been funny, but highly rated by who?

 

He's no Alan Sugar, Richard Branson or Bill Gates is he? He isn't on the Sunday Times Top 1000 rich list or the Forbes list of global wealthy people.

 

He isn't leading top FTSE listed businesses but running two (small time in the scheme of things) AIM listed companies, both of which have share prices going south and are struggling.

 

Can you point me in the direction of where he is highly rated?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

The best we've got at the moment:rolleyes: There are plenty of alertnatives. This guy for instance:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2942831/Business-profile-An-Outsider-with-fresh-eyes.html

 

The very English 56-year-old has worked on some of Britain's most high-profile deals and his contacts book is said by people who know him to be one of the best in the City.

 

He's also vice-executive chairman of Rothschild and a Saints fan.

 

He makes Lowe look rather amateurish and second rate. Therefore there was an alternative but Lowe and Wilde blew it!

 

If he wanted to get onto the board he could have bought someone's shares and bought himself onto the board. But he didn't. Why's that? The whole point is that people who aren't financially responsible to the club generally aren't good to have as directors. There has to be a certain amount of accountability.

[um pahars]

If he wanted to get onto the board he could have bought someone's shares and bought himself onto the board. But he didn't. Why's that? The whole point is that people who aren't financially responsible to the club generally aren't good to have as directors. There has to be a certain amount of accountability.

 

Firstly the price wanted by those with any substantial chunk of shares is way OTT.

 

Secondly, it's actually the norm that Non Executive Directors/Chairman don't have a large shareholding in their company to ensure they are "independent" and not influenced by a financial interest..

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Dibden, not been funny, but highly rated by who?

 

He's no Alan Sugar, Richard Branson or Bill Gates is he? He isn't on the Sunday Times Top 1000 rich list or the Forbes list of global wealthy people.

 

He isn't leading top FTSE listed businesses but running two (small time in the scheme of things) AIM listed companies, both of which have share prices going south and are struggling.

 

Can you point me in the direction of where he is highly rated?

 

No, he's no Alan Sugar, Richard Branson etc but I don't see any of them wanting to run our club. Plus, they are entrepreneurs and not businessmen per se (and there is a discernable difference). Personally, I would call him successful but I assume that is a subjective thing.

 

I remember an article back on TSF or even on SF which showed his directorship (executive and non executive) of a number of companies (listed to about 30 or 40). People don't just appoint directors for no reason, especially if they draw a salary.

[Delmary]

If he wanted to get onto the board he could have bought someone's shares and bought himself onto the board. But he didn't. Why's that? The whole point is that people who aren't financially responsible to the club generally aren't good to have as directors. There has to be a certain amount of accountability.

Sorry mate but most plc chairmen are not major holding shareholders. Most Plc chairmen are appointed by the shareholders to run the business on their behave. They are normally appointed because of their business experience, NOT THEIR SHARE HOLDING. Same rule applies to executive roles. For example, how many shares has Dave Jones got?

[Long Shot]

Do you know what, I am so glad we have all these financial and football experts on here to help us get through this situation. Obviousely, the fiscal prudence and succesful business acumen means that you all know more than Rupert, and that is why he is a highly rated businessman and why you lot are posting on a ****ing forum. As far as I'm concerned, unless ANY of you can prove your business success by buying him out your opinion doesn't matter one ****ing jot, because I guarantee you have no idea how to run a big company and try to get a club constantly making a loss out of trouble.

 

So come on, either put your money where your mouth is and buy the club and show everyone exactly how to run a business, or shut up and accept that you saying 'Lowe out' and trying to second guess his decisions as he 'tries to take us into administration' is stupid, and in the whole scheme of things pointless.

 

The worst thing is that the more 'impresssionable' users of this forum believe what you say because you say it in a forthright way. It must make you all feel so important to have the constant gratification of people agreeing with you, even though they know as much as you do.

 

As you can tell this winds me up. Oh and I'm not that keen on Lowe, I just think he's the best we've got at the moment...

 

 

Where on earth do you get "highly rated business man" from. Crouch has made 10 times as much as Lowe for a kick off. It is your nodding dog attitude that let Lowe off the hook last time when during our relegation year he was saying "its just a blip". Open yer ferkin eyes man - look where we are thanks to your highly rated business man.

[alpine_saint]

From BBC 606 board:

 

Swansea fan in peace. I've been amazed at the decline of Southampton. It wasn't long ago that you were in the FA Cup Final, playing in Europe, and under Stracthon (I know that's the wrong spelling but can't remember how to spell it) you were sitting mid-table in the PL. Now, not only have you flirted with relegation last season, it seems your aim every season is staying up, and getting a draw away from home is a good result for you. Smaller clubs like Burnley, Cardiff, Preston, and ourselves (swansea) aim to soon be in the PL. If you were relegated, I wouldn't be surprised to see you struggle in League 1. Your board seem utterly unambitious particularly the history and size of Southampton FC

 

 

Sweet.

 

Being pitied by Swansea fans.

 

The person has a point though. The teams around us are pushing for and desire to be in the PL, however unrealisitc that may seem, whilst our board appears to be planning for life in League 1.

[Johnny Bognor]

No, he's no Alan Sugar, Richard Branson etc but I don't see any of them wanting to run our club. Plus, they are entrepreneurs and not businessmen per se (and there is a discernable difference). Personally, I would call him successful but I assume that is a subjective thing.

 

I remember an article back on TSF or even on SF which showed his directorship (executive and non executive) of a number of companies (listed to about 30 or 40). People don't just appoint directors for no reason, especially if they draw a salary.

 

Entrepreneurs are businessmen with flair, whereas your defintition of a business man is clearly that of a bean counter - who are rarely highly rated.

 

With regards to his list of directorships of a number of Ltd companies, a significant number of those companies have been dissolved, are holding companies or are dormant. The rating of a businessman has nothing to do with the number of directorships (I could go to Companies House and set up 30-40 businesses for about £4.5-6k - does that make me a highly rated?), but more to do with the net profit or value to the shareholders that they generate. His two highest profile appointments (SLH and WH Ireland) are not delivering value to their shareholders, and are performing badly.

 

It seems to me the only people who rate him highly are his supporters on here. I agree he's the best we've got until someone comes in and takes over, but I certainly would not rate him highly.

[rocknrollman no2]

Lets see is Lowe a good businessman?

When he was here first time,we were in the Premiership,but then fell down a league.

We spent money on SCW,

Simon Clifford,

An eye dome,

Too many managers to mention,

Then sell all of our good players,so we have no one left that can kick a ball.

Then we get players on loan who cant get a game or are injured.

We now look like we will fall into League one under Lowes "leadership".

Doesnt sound like someone i would want to run a business.

[Snowballs2]

Lowe must go along with Wilde

[ottery st mary]

I want Salz in the chair with a board of CORBETT CROUCH etc please and Pearson to return. No don't worry about Mandaric he will help us out. Let us sort this out now.

[docker-p]

if he is still drawing a fat salary then he should be hounded out sooner rather than later. Why should he get rich while he sells of the club's players?

I agree 100%. Plus the removal of the Lowe cancer would in it's self add a few bums to seats.