Are u blind to cortese??

[Roger]

Wenger has said - not through a third party, expressly come out and said himself - that he wants to sign Chamberlain.

 

In the last week. I know someone who helps with website at arsenal he says not this summer as too much money and they got theo too early.

[Matthew Le God]

In the last week. I know someone who helps with website at arsenal he says not this summer as too much money and they got theo too early.

 

Why would they inform those that "help with the website", the details of the club's transfer strategy?

 

Does that not ring alarm bells that it may be ********?

 

They will be telling the tea lady at the academy how much they are selling Fabregas for next...

Edited 6 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Colinjb]

While the over-riding good outweights the niggling bad, frankly I couldn't give a f**k.

[Roger]

While the over-riding good outweights the niggling bad, frankly I couldn't give a f**k.

 

Good for you colinb, viva la revolution.

[sammysaint]

I dont think hes done anything wrong over then sacking pards which now has turned out to be a blessing.

 

ticket prices going up is because we dont have a bank rolling chairman now so we need funds to keep us paying the top players, also note carling cup tickets are ok priced for people who cant afford to go often because of ticket prices.

 

whos not signing contracts at the club ? as far as i know the best players we have are all tied down for this season and next Lambert Lallana Etc..

[ecuk268]

Times have changed since the days of the "gentleman" directors such as Alan Woodford, Basil Bowyer and George Reader.

 

You need a hard-nosed businessman at the helm and that's what we've got. He doesn't need to be popular - he's judged by results and he's doing OK so far.

[corsacar saint]

Roger you seem like a decent guy,but was there really any need to start this particular post, Andy.

[Roger]

Roger you seem like a decent guy,but was there really any need to start this particular post, Andy.

 

No apologies

[jimmysaint7]

We have just come off the back of a promotion where we finished the season in excellent form so what does the thread starter want to do? Discuss todays line up, potential signings,where we will finish this season? No he wants to talk about the chairman! Do yourself a favour get down to St marys and watch the match and keep your ears open and I bet you you will struggle to find anyone to talk about anything bar todays game Coyr

[S-Clarke]

This thread is the biggest backtrack in the history of this forum.

 

It was started off by moaning about all NC has done wrong, and ends with the same poster saying he likes him, he likes what he's done and now the thread title has been changed to include a ''to''.

 

That's what happens when you have weak points!

[hypochondriac]

This thread is the biggest backtrack in the history of this forum.

 

It was started off by moaning about all NC has done wrong, and ends with the same poster saying he likes him, he likes what he's done and now the thread title has been changed to include a ''to''.

 

That's what happens when you have weak points!

 

It is entirely possible to appreciate the good points of someone whilst recognising things they have done wrong, mistakes they have made and things that could do with improvement. You may not imagine it judging by some of the posters on here but it is.

[trousers]

[hypochondriac]

That's your favourite picture trousers

[trousers]

That's your favourite picture trousers

 

Eh? That's the first time I've posted it on here.

[St Marco]

Can't be bothered to go through all the points but will mention the one about players supposedly turning us down etc

 

Oliver Gill (19 year old) turned down signing for Man Utd

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2016555/Oliver-Gill-turns-Manchester-United-university.html

 

Shows that happens at every club even the champions and has nothing to do with the chairman.

 

Didn't the same people using this stick say the same about Cork when rumours were around saying he rejected us?

I think if anything this is what annoys me most about the negative guys, they take rumour and try and use it as fact.

[Dan]

Give it 3 years and we will be calling for his head, guaranteed.

 

The bloke is a good business man however is a first class tool that doesn't know the difference between a customer and a supporter.

[Thedelldays]

Give it 3 years and we will be calling for his head, guaranteed.

 

The bloke is a good business man however is a first class tool that doesn't know the difference between a customer and a supporter.

 

what is the difference...please feel free to go into detail...

[sammysaint]

So it wasn't wrong. We might have gone up under Pardew. Might have. I have my doubts though. We did go up under adkins, despite a horrendous start. Pardew should have gone earlier, i don't know why he didn't, or want pushed it over the edge but clearly something happened.

 

As for players not signing contracts, as you say, it's nonsense. Lallana, Lambert, Cork, Davis, Barnard , De Ridder all very recently. It's just people trying to create problems. At worst it'll just mean we miss out on some players who are primarily motivated by money.

 

yea i sorry was ment to say @ the time it seemed he done wrong but now its turned into a blessing.

[Mowgli]

No apologies

 

Was that a full stop missing after no..?

[S-Clarke]

what is the difference...please feel free to go into detail...

 

You won't get an answer, they come out with big statements like this and then scurry away, never backing it up with any substance.

[Crazy Diamond]

No, I am not.

 

Happy to help!

[benjii]

Roger, I'm sorry. I thought you were being a bellend but it turns out you were performing a reductio ad absurdum on Patred et al. My mistake. Let's meet for drinks and a bromance.

[hypochondriac]

Eh? That's the first time I've posted it on here.

 

[sotonist]

No, he's just very small.

[CanadaSaint]

The bloke is a good business man however is a first class tool that doesn't know the difference between a customer and a supporter.

 

what is the difference...please feel free to go into detail...

 

You won't get an answer, they come out with big statements like this and then scurry away, never backing it up with any substance.

 

I shall still keep refreshing on the off-chance that Dan does lob some kind of rationale into the arena.

 

I'm sure he's clearing his rectum right now ready to do so.

[Minsk]

Are we overlooking all of his mistakes because we are at this moment doing well?? I was very much against lowe and have really been thinking cortese is brilliant up to very recently but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Dubious things are:

pardew debacle-although adkins looks much better.

Banning echo

no pictures other than own guy.

Not attending 125 years event-poor.

Parking charge!

Season tickets going up steeply.

Players not agreeing terms allegedly.

Not a lot of money spent this summer.

Putting himself on programme.

 

I think as things are going very well we are tolerating it. However, if they weren't I reckon we wouldn't be happy or maybe we are tired if years battling lowe and haven't got the puff. Opinions? What price success?

 

Fantastic, the day the new season starts and the loons come out.

 

Most saints fans are looking forward to the new campaign kicking-off; those with agendas start throwing sh!t at Cortese and try to ruin the fun.

 

It's going to be a long season with loons like you around, and in futureIi guess I should just ignore these threads.

[pap]

As I've said a couple of times, I think Cortese has done good things for the club. That does not make him immune from criticism. I can understand the opinions of people leaping onto defend him. Overall, our progress with him as chairman has been pleasing. It's difficult to argue with success.

 

That said, there have been some mis-steps during his tenure. Perhaps that is to be expected. Being the chairman of a sports club is unlike any other job in business. Even people that are running multi-billion dollar operations are relatively unknown. He has walked into a job where he is immediately under the scrutiny of the fan base, and I'm still not sure that he has entirely come to terms with that. His handling of the press has been naive and counter-productive and Jemal's account of Cortese being the specific cause of a transfer not happening is worrying.

 

History will give us a better account of whether he is wrong or right, but in the meantime, the man is not immune from criticism just because we've been promoted. I'm here because I support Southampton FC. Cortese has been instrumental in moving the club forward, so he has my support. That doesn't mean I think he's perfect, and it doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to express similar views without getting shot down.

Edited 6 August, 2011 by pap

[Andoverian]

Are we overlooking all of his mistakes because we are at this moment doing well?? I was very much against lowe and have really been thinking cortese is brilliant up to very recently but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Dubious things are:

pardew debacle-although adkins looks much better.

Banning echo

no pictures other than own guy.

Not attending 125 years event-poor.

Parking charge!

Season tickets going up steeply.

Players not agreeing terms allegedly.

Not a lot of money spent this summer.

Putting himself on programme.

 

I think as things are going very well we are tolerating it. However, if they weren't I reckon we wouldn't be happy or maybe we are tired if years battling lowe and haven't got the puff. Opinions? What price success?

I happen to agree with you Roger that is why I am not at St Marys today but leave all that aside. Do you see the sort of abuse that comes your way when you dare to put up a perfectly valid opinion. A forum is an arena to debate the issues. This forum is an arena to hurl bile and vitriole when someone doesnt agree with your point of view. Someday it might return to what it should be but dont hold your breath.

[Redondo Saint]

I happen to agree with you Roger that is why I am not at St Marys today but leave all that aside. Do you see the sort of abuse that comes your way when you dare to put up a perfectly valid opinion. A forum is an arena to debate the issues. This forum is an arena to hurl bile and vitriole when someone doesnt agree with your point of view. Someday it might return to what it should be but dont hold your breath.

 

SO you missed today's game because you didn't like seeing the chairman's picture on the match day programmme?

Unbelievable!

[Killers Knee]

i cannot believe this thread is not closed. i am a southampton born, swiss hedge fund manager. but i know this man is the best we could ever hope for. i have full faith in his managerial capacity as did our saviour.

[SaintBobby]

Are we overlooking all of his mistakes because we are at this moment doing well?? I was very much against lowe and have really been thinking cortese is brilliant up to very recently but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Dubious things are:

pardew debacle-although adkins looks much better.

Banning echo

no pictures other than own guy.

Not attending 125 years event-poor.

Parking charge!

Season tickets going up steeply.

Players not agreeing terms allegedly.

Not a lot of money spent this summer.

Putting himself on programme.

 

I think as things are going very well we are tolerating it. However, if they weren't I reckon we wouldn't be happy or maybe we are tired if years battling lowe and haven't got the puff. Opinions? What price success?

 

The answer to your question is NO. I hope this helps.

 

I cannot think of a single alleged Cortese mistake that has been "overlooked".

 

Most of his supposed crimes have been gone through on here in forensic, methodical (and, indeed, tedious) detail.

 

But, in any event, success forgives a lot.

 

Even if you think he's a ***t for putting himself on the programme, so what?

 

In my business, if we have someone performing well, we cut them some slack. If they're late for work one morning, they don't get fired.

 

But in anye event, none of the thigns you list have been overlooked. They've been done to death on here.

 

The fact that you think charging for parking deserves an exclamation mark says it all really.

[NickG]

Thinks that is about 46 places up the league that Cortese has taken us in two years!

[Roger]

Thinks that is about 46 places up the league that Cortese has taken us in two years!

 

Yes I know superb. Wish I didnt have to q to get in for soo long but hes done a good job in the main. Im chuffed with today made me proud.

[CanadaSaint]

SO you missed today's game because you didn't like seeing the chairman's picture on the match day programmme?

Unbelievable!

 

No kidding. And that's from someone berating others (a minority, as far as I can see) for their reactions to any criticism of Cortese.

 

Most of us get frustrated by the needless negativity (before the season has even started!) that is far more bilious than any reaction to it.

 

Andoverian, don't you see any irony - perhaps even hypocrisy - in your post?

[Frank's cousin]

For me, the best thing that has happened to the club since ML and NC took over is that its placed or recent history into some sort of context - Its also made the majority consider how football clubs are run think more positively about the need to have a decent level of common sense and business attitude at teh helm... which many were actively against during the Lowe years.

 

Roger - you dont say anything that is new, and certainly when taken in that context they are not things that sit compfortably with many fans - I would also suggest that they are exactly the things most would have murdered Lowe for, had he introduced such things - and thats the crux. Supporters DO want success first and foremost, not at any cost, but certainly they are happy to 'overlook' such things when everything si going well... yet as Lowe saw, the moment things turn against you on the pitch, all teh little gripes that have been stored up come back to haunt you.. are are used by those more active agenda driven fans to drive a wedge between the board and fans.... The biggest irony is that NC is closer in style and direction to Lowe than any of 'fan friendly types' whose good intentions were ruined by **** poor performance. And thats what seems to ensure that there as small section of fans who will use all these small annoying things to try and build a case - simple because ultimately they do not believe that football should be run in such a way - They are idealists in most cases, believing in fan involvement and community based clubs - all valid opinion and reasonable ideals - BUT IMHO, the reason why I did not have any real issues with Lowe (with the exception of when he opened his mouth to trty and 'engage with fans'), and will also ignore these small irritations, is because:

 

1. The club is being managed with controlled spending - not financial stupidity

2. The investment in infrastructure and youth builds for the future - both in players for the first team and as a revenue source for teh very best talent (sad as it is,tha's always going to happen)

3. He is not afraid to make tough decsions - some will be wrong, some will hurt fans, but they are part of a strategy and he will stand or fall by his decsions - and that is the strong leadership that is needed for success - the alternative fan friendly approach of Wilde and CRouch et al, whilst more appealing on teh surface, and certainly more engaging, has been shown time and time again to be ineffective.

4. We got promoted last season

5. We just spanked Leeds

6. There is a sense of unity at teh club, and that is only achieved by ensuring those there are all on the same wavelength - to get that it does mean harsh decsions to remove dead wood or those not happy with the change

7. we just spanked Leeds - needed to say it again as it justifies another beer

 

He is never going to appeal to all - but those who keep trying to pick holes are a small number and only impact on the majority if things go badly.

No problem with keeping things all in perspective, or even ensuring there is a bit of 'ongoing surveilance' on how things work at teh club... but those few are constantly rehashing these minor things give off the perception that they are WANTING the club to fail, to justify their opinions on NC, and use that to reinforce their own views on how clubs shuld be run... thats what many find odd to say the least.

 

The modern game, like it or not, IS a business. Those clubs that reciognise this and run themselves accordingly are the ones who will ultimately reep the rewards. The rest fall into two categories - community clubs, with cheerful local businessman made good fan owners, who are great clubs but will alwys be lower league and conference or those that have no business sense whatsoever and are run by those happy to risk an entire club on a quick success strategy to try make a quick buck - and as the Skates have seen, we all know where that ends up....

 

So Roger, Get on the feckin bus ;-)

[Roger]

For me, the best thing that has happened to the club since ML and NC took over is that its placed or recent history into some sort of context - Its also made the majority consider how football clubs are run think more positively about the need to have a decent level of common sense and business attitude at teh helm... which many were actively against during the Lowe years.

 

Roger - you dont say anything that is new, and certainly when taken in that context they are not things that sit compfortably with many fans - I would also suggest that they are exactly the things most would have murdered Lowe for, had he introduced such things - and thats the crux. Supporters DO want success first and foremost, not at any cost, but certainly they are happy to 'overlook' such things when everything si going well... yet as Lowe saw, the moment things turn against you on the pitch, all teh little gripes that have been stored up come back to haunt you.. are are used by those more active agenda driven fans to drive a wedge between the board and fans.... The biggest irony is that NC is closer in style and direction to Lowe than any of 'fan friendly types' whose good intentions were ruined by **** poor performance. And thats what seems to ensure that there as small section of fans who will use all these small annoying things to try and build a case - simple because ultimately they do not believe that football should be run in such a way - They are idealists in most cases, believing in fan involvement and community based clubs - all valid opinion and reasonable ideals - BUT IMHO, the reason why I did not have any real issues with Lowe (with the exception of when he opened his mouth to trty and 'engage with fans'), and will also ignore these small irritations, is because:

 

1. The club is being managed with controlled spending - not financial stupidity

2. The investment in infrastructure and youth builds for the future - both in players for the first team and as a revenue source for teh very best talent (sad as it is,tha's always going to happen)

3. He is not afraid to make tough decsions - some will be wrong, some will hurt fans, but they are part of a strategy and he will stand or fall by his decsions - and that is the strong leadership that is needed for success - the alternative fan friendly approach of Wilde and CRouch et al, whilst more appealing on teh surface, and certainly more engaging, has been shown time and time again to be ineffective.

4. We got promoted last season

5. We just spanked Leeds

6. There is a sense of unity at teh club, and that is only achieved by ensuring those there are all on the same wavelength - to get that it does mean harsh decsions to remove dead wood or those not happy with the change

7. we just spanked Leeds - needed to say it again as it justifies another beer

 

He is never going to appeal to all - but those who keep trying to pick holes are a small number and only impact on the majority if things go badly.

No problem with keeping things all in perspective, or even ensuring there is a bit of 'ongoing surveilance' on how things work at teh club... but those few are constantly rehashing these minor things give off the perception that they are WANTING the club to fail, to justify their opinions on NC, and use that to reinforce their own views on how clubs shuld be run... thats what many find odd to say the least.

 

The modern game, like it or not, IS a business. Those clubs that reciognise this and run themselves accordingly are the ones who will ultimately reep the rewards. The rest fall into two categories - community clubs, with cheerful local businessman made good fan owners, who are great clubs but will alwys be lower league and conference or those that have no business sense whatsoever and are run by those happy to risk an entire club on a quick success strategy to try make a quick buck - and as the Skates have seen, we all know where that ends up....

 

So Roger, Get on the feckin bus ;-)

 

Have you not read my other posts I am on the bus ffs I went to nearly every away game and home game last season and went today and am absolutely over the moon, hes done a good job in the main I agree, jesus. I shouldnt have put this on here earlier was bricking myself about not signing a new centre back and still fell we need one. Wanted jemal so was upset. Leave it .

[Frank's cousin]

Have you not read my other posts I am on the bus ffs I went to nearly every away game and home game last season and went today and am absolutely over the moon, hes done a good job in the main I agree, jesus. I shouldnt have put this on here earlier was bricking myself about not signing a new centre back and still fell we need one. Wanted jemal so was upset. Leave it .

 

Did you not see the ;-) ? You just have to recognise that its the the perception these posts give, even if you are on the bus... because I am not sure waht else we are meant to read into them given that the rational for many of these decisons, is often very clear, even if not universally appealing?

[TopGun]

I'm glad Roger is not in charge! ;-)

[Roger]

I'm glad Roger is not in charge! ;-)

 

;(:(

[St Marco]

The thing i like about Cortese (other then getting the football side right) is that he strikes me as a guy who will try and break the mould and isn't afraid to try new ideas. Sure some of them will go a bit pear shaped and we have already seen him go back on a few mistakes i.e the photo's thing. But at the heart of it he isn't trying to be this ego maniac that a couple on here would like you to believe. He is actually trying to create new revenues of cash for the club. Naturally some of those affect us and some won't be happy about it. But when that rule comes in of only spending what you make, then i imagine we will see lot's of new ways that clubs try and make money.

 

Love or hate Cortese he has got the football side to the business right. We have progressed from the very first day he came in. "IF" we get back to the prem league you know it will be very different from when we were last there. I don't think we would have that air of being underdogs who bend over and get shafted by the other clubs. That has a lot to do with Cortese and his way of doing business. It is a way that won't see him being taken advantage of. Which benefits us all.

 

Some seem to love comparing him to Lowe or to the way people would react if Lowe did something. The difference is Lowe made a lot of mistakes that ultimatly took us to the third tier. Sure we had some good times but that would be expected over a long period of time. Even Birmingham won a cup, now look at them. In the end Lowe got neither of the football side or business side right. His idea of getting the business side right was to sell off your best players to survive. The problem with that method is that you run the risk of eventually having nothing left to sell, and when that happens your only go one way. Down.

 

Cortese makes mistakes, but when you look at it they are mistakes that have not affected the club or business. I am sure most teams and fans would love to be in our position and rightly so.

It just seems to me that some people are so used to complaining about Saints that they can't enjoy the good times. Like the guy saying he didn't go because of Cortese (not that i believe him at all), you missed out on a really good day. One that saw us break our first game of the season jinx and saw us break our most games won in a row record. The only person to lose out was yourself.

[Roger]

The thing i like about Cortese (other then getting the football side right) is that he strikes me as a guy who will try and break the mould and isn't afraid to try new ideas. Sure some of them will go a bit pear shaped and we have already seen him go back on a few mistakes i.e the photo's thing. But at the heart of it he isn't trying to be this ego maniac that a couple on here would like you to believe. He is actually trying to create new revenues of cash for the club. Naturally some of those affect us and some won't be happy about it. But when that rule comes in of only spending what you make, then i imagine we will see lot's of new ways that clubs try and make money.

 

Love or hate Cortese he has got the football side to the business right. We have progressed from the very first day he came in. "IF" we get back to the prem league you know it will be very different from when we were last there. I don't think we would have that air of being underdogs who bend over and get shafted by the other clubs. That has a lot to do with Cortese and his way of doing business. It is a way that won't see him being taken advantage of. Which benefits us all.

 

Some seem to love comparing him to Lowe or to the way people would react if Lowe did something. The difference is Lowe made a lot of mistakes that ultimatly took us to the third tier. Sure we had some good times but that would be expected over a long period of time. Even Birmingham won a cup, now look at them. In the end Lowe got neither of the football side or business side right. His idea of getting the business side right was to sell off your best players to survive. The problem with that method is that you run the risk of eventually having nothing left to sell, and when that happens your only go one way. Down.

 

Cortese makes mistakes, but when you look at it they are mistakes that have not affected the club or business. I am sure most teams and fans would love to be in our position and rightly so.

It just seems to me that some people are so used to complaining about Saints that they can't enjoy the good times. Like the guy saying he didn't go because of Cortese (not that i believe him at all), you missed out on a really good day. One that saw us break our first game of the season jinx and saw us break our most games won in a row record. The only person to lose out was yourself.

 

Excellent post.

[kpturner]

Thanks for the megalomaniac-esque infraction saint-clark.

 

You are a complete cock - hope I get another one. This time it will be worth it.

[djharvey]

Thanks for the megalomaniac-esque infraction saint-clark.

 

You are a complete cock - hope I get another one. This time it will be worth it.

 

lmao..... you hope you get another c*ck!

[kpturner]

lmao..... you hope you get another c*ck!

Well two would be very useful

[SNSUN]

I think your

 

 

deserves a

 

 

of it's own!

 

 

 

 

I like Cortese. He has an air of mystery about him, an eerie quietness that will one day manifest itself as a touchline rant into a microphone. (a la Delia.) I get the feeling that if he were a poker player, he'd be bloody difficult to read.

 

He's doing a good job, especially in the absence of a former friend. He has to be careful with the money, especially as it's not his. But secretly, deep down, I reckon he's a genuine Saints fan who was desperate to buy into his favourite club and had to persuade a money man to come on board! Mmm, vino.

 

A cup win and a promotion - he must be doing something right.

[Matthew Le Tissier]

I agree with the original poster

 

In my opinion he comes accross as a sociapathic skank

[Dan]

I shall still keep refreshing on the off-chance that Dan does lob some kind of rationale into the arena.

 

I'm sure he's clearing his rectum right now ready to do so.

 

Very funny, you goon. Only just got round to replying as not all of us spend our lives on here, there is a thing called the outside world. I doubt your familiar with it.

 

Supporters are people that have a passion for something some like my self will travel the length of the country to support their team.

 

As a customer of Tescos for example is very different. I want something, I go to the shop I get it and thats that. If I wasnt happy with the service and my Tescos experience would I go again, no I wouldnt Id go somewhere else like Sainsburys or Asda. If saints lost and I didnt enjoy the match would I go again, yes I would because I am a supporter and no matter how good or bad the previous saturday was I will wake up the follow saturday morning wanting to go to the game. Would I just go to a skates game or a Reading game as a customer looking for a better experience, no I would continue to follow saints as I am a supporter.

 

If you make the trip to Barnsley saturday I would happily take time out to explain in further detail. But I doubt any of you 3 saps will be there?

 

Back to Cortese what has he actually achieved that anyone else couldnt? Promotion from league 1, that was expected as a bare minimun with our resources we should have won it. O and the JPT, a trophy that only 2 leagues enter big ******* whop. Already ****ed off the national media and some of our greatest players, it will all turn sour its just only a matter of time. Watch this space.

[capitalsaint]

Very funny, you goon. Only just got round to replying as not all of us spend our lives on here, there is a thing called the outside world. I doubt your familiar with it.

 

Supporters are people that have a passion for something some like my self will travel the length of the country to support their team.

 

As a customer of Tescos for example is very different. I want something, I go to the shop I get it and thats that. If I wasnt happy with the service and my Tescos experience would I go again, no I wouldnt Id go somewhere else like Sainsburys or Asda. If saints lost and I didnt enjoy the match would I go again, yes I would because I am a supporter and no matter how good or bad the previous saturday was I will wake up the follow saturday morning wanting to go to the game. Would I just go to a skates game or a Reading game as a customer looking for a better experience, no I would continue to follow saints as I am a supporter.

 

If you make the trip to Barnsley saturday I would happily take time out to explain in further detail. But I doubt any of you 3 saps will be there?

 

Back to Cortese what has he actually achieved that anyone else couldnt? Promotion from league 1, that was expected as a bare minimun with our resources we should have won it. O and the JPT, a trophy that only 2 leagues enter big ******* whop. Already ****ed off the national media and some of our greatest players, it will all turn sour its just only a matter of time. Watch this space.

 

You have literally no proof for that. Ridiculous statement.

[CanadaSaint]

I rest my case. LOL.

[teamsaint]

i like the way NC is running the football. i don't like the way he deals with the (long suffering)supporters, the people who actually keep the club going.