Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 That's funny I have seen you having a pop at Cortese on other threads so I don't belive you. I put it to you that you are the blind one, who has a specific agenda on cortese... Are you one of the dark forces? I think he should ban you too! Go back to sleep mate. Im certainly not anti cortese. Just dont think hes amasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I think considering very few people actually know what cortese is really like, they just see the things he does as positive if they're a half full kinda person, or negative if not. I'd love to fully support cortese but my friend who works within the club has made it very clear he's a power hungry cretin so I'm always a little wary and a little more inclined to believe some of the stranger cortese stories! Guy who works in company does not like boss ! Shock ! From what I have heard quite a lot of people who work with him are not keen on the guy ,apparently he is a hard taskmaster. Who cares if he makes the business run smoother. Theres are recession on you know.When he took over the club was like a registered charity. Overstaffed , people too comfortable in thier jobs not to mention the semi-celebrity freeloaders............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Would you prefer he upped and left, the Liebherr's sold the club on, and we ended up being owned by Pinnacle, or a hedge fund? I'm astonished by people who cannot see what a lucky position we're in at the moment. Have a quick search across other teams forums and you'll start to realise what I mean.This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Go back to sleep mate. Im certainly not anti cortese. Just dont think hes amasing. Most of what you listed in the OP is rumour and not fact based. The ones that are facts are not put into context (such as season tickets which could be argued are in line with other clubs in this division and were too cheap before) If you don't have an agenda why start a thread like this without any balance? In fact show me the threads in which show you have a balanced view of cortese? Pretend "Im certainly not anti cortese" all you like but your agenda is clear By the way...."amasing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Most of what you listed in the OP is rumour and not fact based. The ones that are facts are not put into context (such as season tickets which could be argued are in line with other clubs in this division and were too cheap before) If you don't have an agenda why start a thread like this without any balance? In fact show me the threads in which show you have a balanced view of cortese? Pretend "Im certainly not anti cortese" all you like but your agenda is clear By the way...."amasing?" Well im obviously not that much against him as I have paid £515 for my season ticket. Do grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 are we overlooking all of his mistakes because we are at this moment doing well?? I was very much against lowe and have really been thinking cortese is brilliant up to very recently but a line has to be drawn somewhere. Dubious things are: Pardew debacle-although adkins looks much better. Banning echo no pictures other than own guy. Not attending 125 years event-poor. Parking charge! Season tickets going up steeply. Players not agreeing terms allegedly. Not a lot of money spent this summer. Putting himself on programme. I think as things are going very well we are tolerating it. However, if they weren't i reckon we wouldn't be happy or maybe we are tired if years battling lowe and haven't got the puff. Opinions? What price success? ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 If I was him I would be astonished by the myopic, bigoted, ignorant, half-baked attitudes of some of the utter dinlos on this forum. Thankfully, these weirdos are not representative if the public at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 A few questions... Dubious things are: pardew debacle-although adkins looks much better. Do you know why Pardew was sacked? Banning echo A ban can be justified if it is applied for good reason. Do you know the details of any ban? Or any proof one even existed? no pictures other than own guy. It was a change in the accreditation procedure, not a ban. Not attending 125 years event-poor. Why is he under any obligation to attend an unofficial event, organised by people that make comments about him in the local/national press Parking charge! Private land, under no obligation for free parking, it is a business he is running Season tickets going up steeply. Saints have gone up a league, prices are in line with other Championship clubs. What did you expect? Players not agreeing terms allegedly. So what? Every club has that. Cortese has however closed numerous deals in the last two years. Not a lot of money spent this summer. Do you know how much Jack Cork Cost? Do you know how much Steve De Ridder cost? Do you know how much Saints will spend between now and the close of the window? Other big bids have gone in for players this summer, confirmed by Adkins a £3.25m bid went in for Billy Sharp, so the money is there if needed. Putting himself on programme. I might give you that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 If I was him I would be astonished by the myopic, bigoted, ignorant, half-baked attitudes of some of the utter dinlos on this forum. Thankfully, these weirdos are not representative if the public at large. Jesus! Get it in perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Nutshell The vast vast majority are down to the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Roger, he's saved the club and appears to have sufficient contacts in the financial world to keep his promises, made at the takeover. He's steadied the ship and enhanced the infrastructure of the club. I am really looking forward to this season, but have no idea where we wil finish. However, if Phillips and Ormerod are considered a lethal partnership then we must have a reasonable chance of a play off finish. Minor things like car parking charges etc are annoying but insignificant in the grand scale of things. hence like you I have invested in a season ticket. See you this afternoon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Totally agree with the OP. We need immediate action to get Lowe, Wilde and Crouch reinstated and get our club heading in the right direction again. Cortese hasn't got a clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Yes kingsland. You are one opinion I happen to value. I agree with all those comments, he has steadied the ship and the club seems on a sound footing. Will speak to you about it another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Are you going to answer my questions Roger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Totally agree with the OP. We need immediate action to get Lowe, Wilde and Crouch reinstated and get our club heading in the right direction again. Cortese hasn't got a clue... No much rather have cortese. I have listed positves underneath too, take it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Well im obviously not that much against him as I have paid £515 for my season ticket. Do grow up. I've never really thought your opinion of a chairman should influence your decision to buy a season ticket, I'd generally go more for team, affordability & whether or not you can get to enough games to make it worth your while. On the original post, you might as well have put a picture of a massive wooden next to it. What's the point in dredging up issues from the past (most of which have been resolved), especially when you say it's only recently you've begun to change your opinion about him. When challenged about your attitude towards Cortese, you say that you're only garnering opinion but in you're opening thread you said that "a line needs to be drawn somewhere" So are you truly trying to find out people's opinions of Cortese or are you trying to encourage people to say where the line needs to be drawn? If you really are (as you say) trying to get an impression of what people think of the chairman, why have you only included the percieved negatives about him in your opening thread and omitted the positives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 *wooden spoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Are you going to answer my questions Roger? Looks like that is a "no". Too awkward to answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I've never really thought your opinion of a chairman should influence your decision to buy a season ticket, I'd generally go more for team, affordability & whether or not you can get to enough games to make it worth your while. On the original post, you might as well have put a picture of a massive wooden next to it. What's the point in dredging up issues from the past (most of which have been resolved), especially when you say it's only recently you've begun to change your opinion about him. When challenged about your attitude towards Cortese, you say that you're only garnering opinion but in you're opening thread you said that "a line needs to be drawn somewhere" So are you truly trying to find out people's opinions of Cortese or are you trying to encourage people to say where the line needs to be drawn? If you really are (as you say) trying to get an impression of what people think of the chairman, why have you only included the percieved negatives about him in your opening thread and omitted the positives? Okay delete the thread then. Im sorry. Le god good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Le god good points. So you have no counter argument to them? May as well delete this thread then, if you don't agree with your own opening post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Looks like that is a "no". Too awkward to answer? No I just cant be bothered. They are all good points. Well you are a god so they should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 No need for the little digs everyone, Roger has shown in this thread that he is willing to debate the points he's made so he's clearly not a "Cortese basher". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 No I just cant be bothered. They are all good points. Well you are a god so they should be I think first day of season we have just gone up lets see what happens. I think its clear to see peoples opinions. Hes not doing a bad job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 No need for the little digs everyone, Roger has shown in this thread that he is willing to debate the points he's made so he's clearly not a "Cortese basher". Im really not thankyou my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Looks like that is a "no". Too awkward to answer? He's been learning from the master of avoiding questions he doesn't like the answer to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Do you have an example of a question about Saints I have failed to answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 He's been learning from the master of avoiding questions he doesn't like the answer to... Easy steve whose that. I just think that the points he made are probably right. How are you anyway and where do you think we will finish this season? Are you still playing football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Do you have an example of a question about Saints I have failed to answer? That's a bit of an awkward one, don't expect a reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I just think that it doesn't help all of the hype that goes on here that is all. Outside of the forum the vast majority of STH's I know have no problem with Cortese, in fact the issue hardly comes up at all. The man has steadied the ship, bought and negotiated well, hired good managers. Brought us up a division a won a (tinpot) trophy. He also has his bad points, he can be headstrong, he has experimented with things, such as the photo's and bits and bobs, lets face it if (for some strange reason) it worked and teams started following suit it would have been a different kettle of fish. Players have failed to agree terms, but this happens, how do we know Gorkss didn't want 30k a week ? A 1mil pound promotion fee ? He really isn't any worse than 80% of the rest of the chairman in the league, Gibson has appeared on programmes before, many will again. Calm down and enjoy the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Go back to sleep mate. Im certainly not anti cortese. Just dont think hes amasing. If you are not anti Cortese why did you come up with a list of anti Cortese issues, most of which are at best dubious and in some cases plain wrong. If you want to canvas opinion put forward a balanced view including all of the positive aspects, of which there are many. People don't have to love or hate the man, but most sensible people can form an opinion based on his actions so far that he is doing a lot more right than he is wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in a new field, but in the end we are in a better position now than at any time in the last 20 years (arguably) in terms of future prospects. If I have one small beef with the current organisation it is the way that they have not embraced the past a little more, such as the apparent differences with MLT and Lawrie, but even here there are 2 sides to every story and MLT is clearly not the most intelligent bloke around when it comes to engaging brain before speaking. Even then the remaining members of the FA Cup winning team was brought back last year and Terry Paine involved last week. I think the icing on the cake would be to get Big Ron over for a game, I wouldn't miss that for the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 He's been learning from the master of avoiding questions he doesn't like the answer to... You've changed your tune Steve. Some would question your about turn re club issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 If you are not anti Cortese why did you come up with a list of anti Cortese issues, most of which are at best dubious and in some cases plain wrong. If you want to canvas opinion put forward a balanced view including all of the positive aspects, of which there are many. People don't have to love or hate the man, but most sensible people can form an opinion based on his actions so far that he is doing a lot more right than he is wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, especially in a new field, but in the end we are in a better position now than at any time in the last 20 years (arguably) in terms of future prospects. If I have one small beef with the current organisation it is the way that they have not embraced the past a little more, such as the apparent differences with MLT and Lawrie, but even here there are 2 sides to every story and MLT is clearly not the most intelligent bloke around when it comes to engaging brain before speaking. Even then the remaining members of the FA Cup winning team was brought back last year and Terry Paine involved last week. I think the icing on the cake would be to get Big Ron over for a game, I wouldn't miss that for the world. I will never be sorry for sticking up for matt le tiss. His loyalty and his football skills are the best ive seen at saints. I wish everyone could get along. I dont have a big problem with cortese he has done a great job in lots of areas but he has his weaknesses as does le tiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 How many good players have we sold whilst Cortese has been at the Helm ? That should just about sum up where this Club is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 How many good players have we sold whilst Cortese has been at the Helm ? That should just about sum up where this Club is going. None good point. He has done somew very good things I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I don't like the man but as long the club keep going forward I won't let my feelings get in the way. Out of interest, why do you not like him? Do you know him personally, or how did you otherwise arrive at this judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 How many good players have we sold whilst Cortese has been at the Helm ? That should just about sum up where this Club is going. Only thing I would say is that if we were in premier league then players would be seen by everyone and it would be much more difficult as it was when we were there last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Only thing I would say is that if we were in premier league then players would be seen by everyone and it would be much more difficult as it was when we were there last time. Scouts and tv cameras do make it to non prem matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 season tickets going up steeply. Players not agreeing terms allegedly. Not a lot of money spent this summer. Putting himself on programme. In my opinion the season ticket increases were in line with what would be expected. Slightly above average for the division but then again we're aiming to be competitive in this league. Players not agreeing terms (allegedly). But that can be seen as a positive, Cortese won't be held to ransom. He calls the shots and anyone trying to take us for a ride will be told where to go. And I'm sure there's more that have agreed terms than those that haven't. It's a fair point that we haven't spent huge sums, but we have signed two first team players and look to be after another two. So the situation is being addressed. And I think peopple are making far too big a deal out of todays program. There may be a piece on him inside the programme, so he is on the front. The same as if there was an article with any player. It's not as if he makes a point of trying to get in the media spotlight all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Scouts and tv cameras do make it to non prem matches. Yes but until the player has played at a higher level, some wont take that chance on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Yes but until the player has played at a higher level, some wont take that chance on them. Disagree, look at the likes of Beckford, Pilkington, Delph, Andrews all heading straight from League One to the Prem and (for the most part) performing well. The fact that the top sides in England are willing to spend £10million plus on a 17 year old with one full season of League One experience shows that Prem teams are willing to take the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 How many good players have we sold whilst Cortese has been at the Helm ? That should just about sum up where this Club is going. All done with money. Money doesn't make someone a good chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Disagree, look at the likes of Beckford, Pilkington, Delph, Andrews all heading straight from League One to the Prem and (for the most part) performing well. The fact that the top sides in England are willing to spend £10million plus on a 17 year old with one full season of League One experience shows that Prem teams are willing to take the chance. I said some not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 All done with money. Money doesn't make someone a good chairman. do you think NC is a good custidian of the club..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 In my opinion the season ticket increases were in line with what would be expected. Slightly above average for the division but then again we're aiming to be competitive in this league. Players not agreeing terms (allegedly). But that can be seen as a positive, Cortese won't be held to ransom. He calls the shots and anyone trying to take us for a ride will be told where to go. And I'm sure there's more that have agreed terms than those that haven't. It's a fair point that we haven't spent huge sums, but we have signed two first team players and look to be after another two. So the situation is being addressed. And I think peopple are making far too big a deal out of todays program. There may be a piece on him inside the programme, so he is on the front. The same as if there was an article with any player. It's not as if he makes a point of trying to get in the media spotlight all the time. The fact is Cortese and Adkins will not be pushed around by greedy agents and players they will only sign who wants to earn the right to don the Red & White. I am happy with that, The Chairman is on the front of a Programme so what ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 do you think NC is a good custidian of the club..? I think matthew bound was better.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I said some not all. Regardless, it doesn't make much sense saying it would be harder to keep hold of players if we were in the Prem - let's use Chamberlain as an example. Arsenal want him right now, we've just left League One and are in the NPC, and they're willing to spend a big portion of their transfer budget to get him - and yet we're holding firm. If we were in the Prem we would have a much bigger income and could give Chamberlain a higher wage - he would be happier here then with more money and playing Prem football. And Arsenal aren't going to suddenly start bidding £25-30million for him when we reach the Prem. Therefore if anything, it would be easier to hold onto our players in the Prem - as we have more to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 By the way I love adkins. I think his recovery mentality is brilliant and tactics. Should play morgan and jaidi for me today tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 6 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Regardless, it doesn't make much sense saying it would be harder to keep hold of players if we were in the Prem - let's use Chamberlain as an example. Arsenal want him right now, we've just left League One and are in the NPC, and they're willing to spend a big portion of their transfer budget to get him - and yet we're holding firm. If we were in the Prem we would have a much bigger income and could give Chamberlain a higher wage - he would be happier here then with more money and playing Prem football. And Arsenal aren't going to suddenly start bidding £25-30million for him when we reach the Prem. Therefore if anything, it would be easier to hold onto our players in the Prem - as we have more to offer. I dont think they do want him now. Understand youre point but think youre find they wont sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I dont think they do want him now. Understand youre point but think youre find they wont sign him. maybe because we kept telling them to eff---off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I dont think they do want him now. Understand youre point but think youre find they wont sign him. Wenger has said - not through a third party, expressly come out and said himself - that he wants to sign Chamberlain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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