hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Be honest, if you saw this from say Ken Bates or the new Pompey chairman what would your reaction be? Seriously be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Oh yeah, because it's perfectly reasonable for the owner of a club to put himself on the cover, as opposed to, you know, any of the players, especially the new signings. And it's not at ALL hypocritical to play this down when a certain previous Chairman got no end of stick just for having a training kit with his initials on it. This is seeing the line, knowing there's a line, and saying "you know what, f\/ck the line". At the point when we achieve something other than being in a League below the one I'm used to Saints being in, then, and ONLY then might someone be able to do this without getting a shedload of flak for it. Until then, it's just dickish self-promotion, self-congratulation, and all-round undeserved back-slapping. Yes, he saved the club. And now look what it's turning into. Flipping 'eck - all that in a programme cover. You been on the beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 wonder who choose that Loving the new 3rd kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Be honest, if you saw this from say Ken Bates or the new Pompey chairman what would your reaction be? Seriously be honest. Sh1t... I'm at the wrong match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Reported bids for CMS in January. Patred has heard things from discussions with players including those at Ipswich who he works with, rumours on twitter about agents refusing to deal with us, Jemal pulling out of a deal, Gorkss not wanting to join, the letter that Cortese sent the football league chairman. All rumour and speculation, no substantial evidence to back up your assertion. Anyway, if the players concerned can't agree to the terms then we are better off with them not getting on the bus. BTW, what does WIFRM stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Sh1t... I'm at the wrong match! As are match is on later, that isn't exactly relevant. Regardless, you know what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 As are match is on later, that isn't exactly relevant. Regardless, you know what I meant. *Our Grow some humour you boring c*nt And I know you still read my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Some people just can't see the wood for the trees. I'm assuming that this idea was mooted when it was expected that we'd have signed 3 £5m players or something ? Or that Jemal was the original cover... Oh - get over yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 All rumour and speculation, no substantial evidence to back up your assertion. Anyway, if the players concerned can't agree to the terms then we are better off with them not getting on the bus. BTW, what does WIFRM stand for? The football league letter isn't speculation, that excellent Coventry defender being critical of the club isn't speculation, S****horpe being critical of the club isn't speculation, Eastleigh being critical of the club isn't speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 All rumour and speculation, no substantial evidence to back up your assertion. Anyway, if the players concerned can't agree to the terms then we are better off with them not getting on the bus. BTW, what does WIFRM stand for? Win it for rickie martin Its about as comical as he gets, which coincidentaly coincides with slagging off the saviour he holds in higher regards to NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Be honest, if you saw this from say Ken Bates or the new Pompey chairman what would your reaction be? Seriously be honest. Now If I saw a company report to the shareholders with a picture of the chairman or CEO on the cover, I'd be mortally offended and would have to offload all my shares immediately, just to spite the silly chairman and make sure I took no part in any future success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 As are match is on later, that isn't exactly relevant. Regardless, you know what I meant. Fair dos. As a one off I think it's harmless. Football needs characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 Be honest, if you saw this from say Ken Bates or the new Pompey chairman what would your reaction be? Seriously be honest. Hard to compare a chairman that has milked a club for everything it is worth and taken it from the top league spiraling down into the abyss with a guy that helped turn a dead club into a promotion chasing team, eventually winning a trophy and getting promoted in just 2 years. While this season bringing in quality like Cork and holding onto are stars etc. Only a person with an agenda could try and compare the two... Being honest here i seriously couldn't care less. He can print his photo on the tickets and i still wouldn't care. As long as we progress on the field then he can do what he wants. If we go down 2 leagues and flog off our silverware then maybe we can compare. But right now who seriously gives a ****? I remember going to see Middlesborough once when i was at uni and saw a programme with that Gibson fella on there. Don't think they had an issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 All rumour and speculation, no substantial evidence to back up your assertion. Anyway, if the players concerned can't agree to the terms then we are better off with them not getting on the bus. BTW, what does WIFRM stand for? Oh and it means win it for ricky martin. I felt sorry that a kind old man (Markus RIP) died but at the time was amused by the ridiculous overreaction of a few of the posters on here to someone who they had never even spoken to. That culminated in the WIFM thing that Alpine made up which I felt was quite sickening and insincere. Nothing to do with Markus himself at all, just the silly reactions of a minority on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Oh and it means win it for ricky martin. I felt sorry that a kind old man (Markus RIP) died but at the time was amused by the ridiculous overreaction of a few of the posters on here to someone who they had never even spoken to. That culminated in the WIFM thing that Alpine made up which I felt was quite sickening and insincere. Nothing to do with Markus himself at all, just the silly reactions of a minority on here. Now on that point, we are agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Fair dos. As a one off I think it's harmless. Football needs characters. yes maybe. As I said, it's more the hypocrisy of those who laud this as some sort of legendary thing when if it had been any other chairman in the land would have been derided and called a buffoon. I imagine if this was shown to other supporters of clubs then this would be the general reaction. I also think since Nicola has been here that there have been a few situations which have been badly handled and the club has come in for some criticism from a number of different people when if they had just done things slightly differently could have caused a lot less grief. One recent notable example is not notifying the public about the recent season ticket c*ck up and then telling people different things. There is almost a mentality of refusing to ever admit to getting anything wrong. I also get the impression that at times we are extremely difficult to deal with due to this arrogance and ego of the club (think the serious error of judgement in banning the photographers). Basically, if Cortese is so arrogant as to put himself on the front cover of the programme (when really the very last saints fans in general would be interested in is the chairman), then it is not inconceivable to think that previous gripes and complaints have been borne from this same arrogant attitude causing problems. There are numerous examples, some excusable but others rather less so as I am sure you are aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 What a bunch of infantile pansies crying over the Chairman of our football club appearing on ONE programme cover. It's the crime of century! Off with his head! Dear oh dear oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 What a bunch of infantile pansies crying over the Chairman of our football club appearing on ONE programme cover. It's the crime of century! Off with his head! Dear oh dear oh dear. Again, can you just read what is written rather than going off on one with your reactions? My post above for instance outlines my thoughts on the matter. A well reasoned response would be most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Is it bad I quite like the programme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 dear christ......now NC is an attention seeker... when did this happen...we probably hear from him less than any other chairman in my lifetime.....people have moaned like fuk about it and decided he is a **** for it... first game in a new league and he wants to get a message across so he puts the main crux of the programme (his views) on the front cover (doubt he will do it again for at least a year) and people cry seriously, some saints fans still live in the past and NEED to stamp their feet/protest about something this has nothing to do with "NC can do what he likes".......until he is as harmful as lowe/askham etc to theclub then, well, he can do what he likes cant he...??? and to my knowledge, NC is not JUST AN EMPLOYEE...he runs the fecking club...we have no idea the details of the will..so maybe he is the club now..??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 To be honest if i saw another club's program with their chairman on it my reaction would be the same. Indifference. If the picture is linked to or highlights the main article of the magazine, what is the problem? Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 The chairman should be like Charlie, the one with the angels; only the top of his head seen from behind poking above his lazy boy whilst stroking a white pussy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 ****ing stupid mods letting Hypo back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I wish the cover was a picture of Patred in a leather harness with a gimp mask on cracking one out over Martin O'Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I see you are unable to post relevant points about this and resort to the personal stuff benji. Twas ever thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Is NC in this years squad photo as well, I've not seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Blah, Blah, Blah. 5 pages of tears over the front page of a programme. Jeez Louise... Get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Start of a new season No previous games this season Chairmans message for the new season inside People thinking they may get a snippit of the chairmans ambitions/future of SSE rather than a standard stock picture of the football team on the front of the stock programme. May generate more sales, get the message across. In all honesty I don't see the massive tantrum that is NC on the front of the programme apart from the fact that as Saints supporters we seems to have a massive issue with everything that is Saints, be it new players/old players/chairman etc etc FFS grow up and talk about the football WRONG! There have been other games this season. How about a photo of the ML tribute flag, no-one could possibly have objected to that, it would have been far more appropriate and poignant and would almost certainly have sold more copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 WRONG! There have been other games this season. How about a photo of the ML tribute flag, no-one could possibly have objected to that, it would have been far more appropriate and poignant and would almost certainly have sold more copies. really..? how do you know this..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 really..? how do you know this..? I don't - which is why I said "almost certainly". PRAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I don't - which is why I said "almost certainly". PRAT! ah...almost certainly......really..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I see you are unable to post relevant points about this and resort to the personal stuff benji. Twas ever thus. But you do labour the point again, and again, and again. This is a forum, not a debating competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 ****ing stupid mods letting Hypo back on. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 But you do labour the point again, and again, and again. This is a forum, not a debating competition. I said what I had to say in the post a little bit above last night. Since then I haven't mentioned anything yet received no reply, simply personal stuff. Pretty much sums up some posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 yes maybe. As I said, it's more the hypocrisy of those who laud this as some sort of legendary thing when if it had been any other chairman in the land would have been derided and called a buffoon. I imagine if this was shown to other supporters of clubs then this would be the general reaction. I also think since Nicola has been here that there have been a few situations which have been badly handled and the club has come in for some criticism from a number of different people when if they had just done things slightly differently could have caused a lot less grief. One recent notable example is not notifying the public about the recent season ticket c*ck up and then telling people different things. There is almost a mentality of refusing to ever admit to getting anything wrong. I also get the impression that at times we are extremely difficult to deal with due to this arrogance and ego of the club (think the serious error of judgement in banning the photographers). Basically, if Cortese is so arrogant as to put himself on the front cover of the programme (when really the very last saints fans in general would be interested in is the chairman), then it is not inconceivable to think that previous gripes and complaints have been borne from this same arrogant attitude causing problems. There are numerous examples, some excusable but others rather less so as I am sure you are aware. Do you actually think Cortese decides who's on the front of the programme each match? It still amazes me that some fans think NC makes every single decision at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I could have predicted the responses of about six posters on this thread. Always the same ones. Mystic Hypo....I think most on here could predict your reaction too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Mystic Hypo....I think most on here could predict your reaction too. Ive addressed that point in response to trousers already. Do keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I wouldn't bother, Block 5 summed everything up so eloquently, Hypo only see's the bad in everything that is our chairman, my guess is that he has major late fees on one of his library books. Funnily you talk to the majority of fans, not on forums and they don't see any issues in the man, I suppose TSW just breeds extreme opinions in the bed wetters. So very true, I know many Saints fans that are not one here, and they ALL think that NC is a fantastic chairman and taking the club in the right direction. This forum is only a tiny percentage of the Southampton FC fan base, and there is no point getting wound up by those on here..... all very amusing though, and that is partly what the internet is for after all. I would not take much notice of many on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Do you actually think Cortese decides who's on the front of the programme each match? It still amazes me that some fans think NC makes every single decision at the club. I'm surprised he didn't consider a more appropriate choice of image for the first game of the season. I highly doubt it was someone elses decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Ive addressed that point in response to trousers already. Do keep up. I will try harder in the future...sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 So very true, I know many Saints fans that are not one here, and they ALL think that NC is a fantastic chairman and taking the club in the right direction. This forum is only a tiny percentage of the Southampton FC fan base, and there is no point getting wound up by those on here..... all very amusing though, and that is partly what the internet is for after all. I would not take much notice of many on here! Again you only see what you want to see and choose to totally ignore comments such as the one I made on the jack cork thread praising sfc and cortese because it suits your argument. It's a common theme on here and you even chose to ignore the post on this very thread which I highlighted the relevant points where I described some of what cortese has done as 'brilliant'. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 What a ****ing lad!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 WRONG! There have been other games this season. How about a photo of the ML tribute flag, no-one could possibly have objected to that, it would have been far more appropriate and poignant and would almost certainly have sold more copies. At least you quantified it with an "almost certainly" I can only speak for myself. Don't go to games regularly any more. Haven't bought a programme since god knows when, probably still at The Dell. I've asked someone to get a copy of this one for me as from the cover I am assuming (possibly incorrectly) that inside I am going to find an interesting article by / interview with NC. He's opened up a bit pre-season giving a bit more insight into how the club is run and plans for the future, I'm hoping there's more inside. Any players/match action pic would not have gained my interest in the slightest. A picture of the ML flag would have made me think " Meh, seen a picture of that already". So in my market research sample data of 1 the cover alone has ensured a 100% increase in sales. (before The 9 points it out I am aware that 100% of zero is still zero but you know what I mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Again you only see what you want to see and choose to totally ignore comments such as the one I made on the jack cork thread praising sfc and cortese because it suits your argument. It's a common theme on here and you even chose to ignore the post on this very thread which I highlighted the relevant points where I described some of what cortese has done as 'brilliant'. Sad. I have ignored it yes, as is my want. I just cannot believe that anyone whould be bothered over the front cover of a programme. I had a quick look and did see your highlighted posts on my way through the thread, and yes you did say some positive stuff, but overall you tend to look for something that is not there, and make a big deal out of something that is not a big deal, and you are not on your own when it comes to this on HERE. At work I always throw positives in when managing my staff and always end with a positive if I am picking up on some negative points. Look I do not even know you, and I do not know why you are like you are on here, but that is up to you. Same as I do not know why so many people hide behind an aviator that is not them. What you hide. I will be buying the programme for the first time in about 10 years today, and because of this thread really!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I cant make it today..but a friend is getting me a programme and posting it to me........ I must have bought 1 programme in about 6 years...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 I'm surprised he didn't consider a more appropriate choice of image for the first game of the season. I highly doubt it was someone elses decision. Lol I wonder who he'll decide to put on the front next time? Does the MD where you work make every single decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 This forum has become plagued with reactionary bed wetters; most of whom are probably twenty-somethings who still live at home with Mummy and Daddy. I cannot believe that people are calling NC egotistical. It simply beggars belief. He has given only a handful of interviews in his tenure, and has pretty much kept in the background since coming to Saints. He has behaved with a level of professionalism and dignity that we have not seen at our club for many years. Our transfers and financial dealings happen behind closed doors and very little information leaks out. We have a smart, no-nonsense chairman who has proven financial acumen as well as a first class business brain. He has made an incredibly successful career for himself. Maybe some of you have forgotten about his background? So here's the Wiki summary. He was involved for ten years in sports business practice as head of the sports and entertainment desk at various Swiss banks, providing global services to sports and entertainment professionals. His most recent position was as an executive at Banque Heritage in Geneva where he managed the finances of billionaires. He had previously run the sports business desk for Credit Suisse It's a new season and another new chapter at Saints and I don't know about you lot, but I would certainly appreciate some communication from the Chairman as to the club's ambitions both in the short and long term. So the chairman has his photo on the cover of the program. That seems like a pretty obvious thing to do if he has written something inside it for the first time. I rarely buy a program but I will probably buy this as I'm interested in what NC has to say. I wouldn't have known to buy it if he wasn't on the cover. He looks smart, serious and ruthless. Think of some of the utter tools running other football clubs and some of the things they say and do....... Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 WRONG! There have been other games this season. How about a photo of the ML tribute flag, no-one could possibly have objected to that, it would have been far more appropriate and poignant and would almost certainly have sold more copies. My money is on the Theory we will sell more. We have not had any games this season, we have had pre-season (fitness) friendlies, but I must admit I never realised they contributed to end of season standings other than being a run out. PRAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 With regards to the "sell more if it was something else" argument - I never buy programmes anymore but will be doing so today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 Not that I care really but that looks ridiculous. Imagine what people would be saying that was Lowe. Shades of saints go Wilde there I think. The hypocrisy is very funny. I see you didn't take the time to comprehend what anyone said then. The breathtaking hypocrisy from those having a go at those who think it's embarrassing is the funny thing, not the cover itself. I can just imagine the exact same people's reaction had it been Lowe who had done similar. It's extremely cringeworthy and suggests an enormous ego. Also tallies with the stories that he was desperate for everyone to give him the credit at certain times and not markus. Hilarious reaction from the same old faces. Just my opinion, but I prefer my chairmen behind the scenes doing what they are paid to do, not on the front cover of the programme. Not particularly professional then is it if that is his mindset (which I doubt.) I am cortesius don of dons. Look on my works ye mighty and despair. I could have predicted the responses of about six posters on this thread. Always the same ones. Well trousers I predicted that response. Difference is I think Cortese has done some brilliant stuff but I'm also not afraid to say he looks like a buffoon when he quite clearly does. The ridiculous cries of 'legend' or similar (when if it was any other chairman in the football league those same posters would be wetting themselves with laughter) just reinforces the view that some have a blind spot when it comes to any sort or criticism of Nicola. IMO there is nothing at all wrong with recognizing the good that Cortese has done whilst also realizing that at times he has made himself look rather idiotic. This is one of those times. I very much beg to differ. You said no one has been more important. That isn't true. Quite obviously Markus. It was his finance and so he is the reason we are where we are. Nicola is an employee. I find it rather ridiculous that a chairman feels the need to put himself on the front cover of the programme on the first game of the season. It doesn't make him look particularly classy, comes off as extremely arrogant and seems quite distasteful to me as I prefer the football to be the face of the club with the employees kept in the background getting on and doing a good job. After all, he is supposedly a custodian. Still gives an insight into his mindset I would suggest and his large ego. Seems we have heard a lot about Cortese being difficult to deal with and quite a few players pulling out of deals with us. Just wanted to reinforce that point for posters who refuse to read and comprehend what is being said. Reported bids for CMS in January. Patred has heard things from discussions with players including those at Ipswich who he works with, rumours on twitter about agents refusing to deal with us, Jemal pulling out of a deal, Gorkss not wanting to join, the letter that Cortese sent the football league chairman. Be honest, if you saw this from say Ken Bates or the new Pompey chairman what would your reaction be? Seriously be honest. As are match is on later, that isn't exactly relevant. Regardless, you know what I meant. The football league letter isn't speculation, that excellent Coventry defender being critical of the club isn't speculation, S****horpe being critical of the club isn't speculation, Eastleigh being critical of the club isn't speculation. Oh and it means win it for ricky martin. I felt sorry that a kind old man (Markus RIP) died but at the time was amused by the ridiculous overreaction of a few of the posters on here to someone who they had never even spoken to. That culminated in the WIFM thing that Alpine made up which I felt was quite sickening and insincere. Nothing to do with Markus himself at all, just the silly reactions of a minority on here. yes maybe. As I said, it's more the hypocrisy of those who laud this as some sort of legendary thing when if it had been any other chairman in the land would have been derided and called a buffoon. I imagine if this was shown to other supporters of clubs then this would be the general reaction. I also think since Nicola has been here that there have been a few situations which have been badly handled and the club has come in for some criticism from a number of different people when if they had just done things slightly differently could have caused a lot less grief. One recent notable example is not notifying the public about the recent season ticket c*ck up and then telling people different things. There is almost a mentality of refusing to ever admit to getting anything wrong. I also get the impression that at times we are extremely difficult to deal with due to this arrogance and ego of the club (think the serious error of judgement in banning the photographers). Basically, if Cortese is so arrogant as to put himself on the front cover of the programme (when really the very last saints fans in general would be interested in is the chairman), then it is not inconceivable to think that previous gripes and complaints have been borne from this same arrogant attitude causing problems. There are numerous examples, some excusable but others rather less so as I am sure you are aware. Again, can you just read what is written rather than going off on one with your reactions? My post above for instance outlines my thoughts on the matter. A well reasoned response would be most welcome. I see you are unable to post relevant points about this and resort to the personal stuff benji. Twas ever thus. I said what I had to say in the post a little bit above last night. Since then I haven't mentioned anything yet received no reply, simply personal stuff. Pretty much sums up some posters. Ive addressed that point in response to trousers already. Do keep up. I'm surprised he didn't consider a more appropriate choice of image for the first game of the season. I highly doubt it was someone elses decision. Again you only see what you want to see and choose to totally ignore comments such as the one I made on the jack cork thread praising sfc and cortese because it suits your argument. It's a common theme on here and you even chose to ignore the post on this very thread which I highlighted the relevant points where I described some of what cortese has done as 'brilliant'. Sad. This forum has become plagued with reactionary bed wetters; most of whom are probably twenty-somethings who still live at home with Mummy and Daddy. Over 25 posts from Hypochondriac in this thread. I wonder who the real egocentric is? Cortese or Hypochondriac? You choose people! 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