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I think the rivalry only really started for my generation (50 something) when we were relegated in 1974 and the first derby at The Dell which Sainrs won4-0. it came from a generation where your school, town, city was "harder" than theirs. Very tribal and very basic. I used to go to Pompey everyday and met a lot of nice people. Even football fans that one on one were perfectly normal. It's the whole culture of the 70's & 80's. They had some real head cases and a massive reputation (657) for being one of the all time nasty crews. Even I still get swept up in the emotion of it all. Of all the games I have ever been to this is the only one that has a serious edge.

 

This.

 

Certainly, many of my father's generation (as he did) would watch Saints one week and Pompey the next. My father honestly cannot understand why I so dislike them. Thankfully, Saints were his first team and the ones he took me to watch when I was a nipper.

 

In addition to that which yorkie wrote, I believe that the rivalry really grew as we clearly became the best team in Hampshire. The Skates couldn't handle it and started hating us. I honestly don't think many Saints fans hated the Skates, they just didn't even think about them, but as the vitriol came from their end it was returned with interest.

 

As for myself, I spent 25 years in the Royal Navy and about 2/3rd of that time was based in Pompey. This also meant that I lived in married quarters there (Hilsea) for a fair few years. Thereofre I was hated by most of the locals for 2 reasons: for being in the RN (strange, considering at the time it was the main source of income for the city and 2 out of 3 households earnt their crust from the dockyard or various shore bases, but the civillian element of there really disliked the matelots); as well, of course; as being a Saints fan. Although, to be honest, I rarely wore a Saints shirt around the city; only occasionly when out cycling.

 

Having lived in that city, and worked with many people from there, I obviously know a lot of Skate fans. To be honest most of the ones I know are really decent blokes, but I also know a fair few a*seholes. As with everywhere, including Southampton, there are good and bad around. However, I do honestly think people are worse down that end. For example, try a wearing a Saints shirt in Pompey - at the very least you will get A LOT of abuse and more than likely physically attacked. Yet I have seen people wearing Skate shirts in Southampton and everyone just ignoring them. Which reaffirms my belief that it is/was them who hate(d) us and we have simply retaliated, but obviously doing things so much better.

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I don't hate Pompey. I enjoy it when we beat them because they are our local rivals.

 

Yes, some of their fans are nobs. So are some of ours. They laughed at us when we were in admin. We have an 827 page thread devoted to their ups and downs in the transfer market.

 

Most people from Portsmouth I've actually met have been alright. Sure, they say some wicked things about our football team, and we say some nasty things about theirs. It's more a case of barb-wire banter than hatred for me.

 

 

I never thought I would live to see the day, when someone on here would write such a reasonable post about our Pompey neighbours! Trouble with most/many Saints fans is that they have no real idea why they have a dislike/hatred of our Blue rivals.

 

I arrived in Southampton in 1956 and lived in Burlington Road (2 minutes walk from the Dell). I would watch Saints (Div 3 South) on one Saturday and my dad would take me down to see Pompey (Div 1) the following Saturday on his Francis Barnet motor bike. OK, Pompey were in a higher div but my home town team got my support. To this day, I have never understood the hatred towards them and likewise from them towards us. To me, they are just another team we have to beat, no more so than Bmth/Burnley/West Ham etc

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As an "outsider" I can confirm that I've had more abuse from drivers of cars in my rare visits to Portsmouth (from people pulling out in front of me across the give way line on roundabouts, not being prepared to wait 10 seconds for me to finish driving down a single track road I was 3/4 of the way along before they even pitched up at the end of, etc) than I have in getting on for 9 years living in Southampton and driving around there every day. So basically they mostly seem to be lairy ar5eholes.

 

I know a few from working in Titchfield and they were all alright though.

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i hate them & the cesspit they call a city & have no rational explanation why ?

i just know that whenever i hear their name mentioned or see an inbred in the horrible blue kit my blood boils !

DIRTY,FILTHY,CHEATING,SKATE,BASTARDS !

i do love this pic though :D

FrattonParkFrattonEndPortsmouthPompeyjpgdisplay-1.jpg

 

Its your worst f*ckin nightmare, INIT Can you face the abyss two weeks before crimbo,

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As an "outsider" I can confirm that I've had more abuse from drivers of cars in my rare visits to Portsmouth (from people pulling out in front of me across the give way line on roundabouts, not being prepared to wait 10 seconds for me to finish driving down a single track road I was 3/4 of the way along before they even pitched up at the end of, etc) than I have in getting on for 9 years living in Southampton and driving around there every day. So basically they mostly seem to be lairy ar5eholes.

 

I know a few from working in Titchfield and they were all alright though.

 

What you need to do pal is give these lairy drivers the old Fred Astaire, they melt like an ice cube on a sunbed. I was down in Portmouth the other day, driving down past those sh*t flats on the way into the their sh*t hole town and some bulb started getting up my arse (not literally but you get what i mean) so i slowed right down, he started giving it the hand signals and pulled into the the lane next to me. Then sadly for him the lights went red and we were the front two in our lanes. He pulled up alongside me and stared in, so i just sat there, wound the window down and stared back, he drove forward a bit, so did i, he drove back a bit so did i, still giving him the Fred Astaire. Then he started giving me the thumbs up, all smiley like, i mouthed mug at him through his still closed window and he was still grinning like an Iron with a new tub of poppers. As soon at the lights turned to green he was off quicker than a hamster up Freddie Mercury. Just about sums that lot up, hard and lairy as ***** until it's put on them.FACT.

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What you need to do pal is give these lairy drivers the old Fred Astaire, they melt like an ice cube on a sunbed. I was down in Portmouth the other day, driving down past those sh*t flats on the way into the their sh*t hole town and some bulb started getting up my arse (not literally but you get what i mean) so i slowed right down, he started giving it the hand signals and pulled into the the lane next to me. Then sadly for him the lights went red and we were the front two in our lanes. He pulled up alongside me and stared in, so i just sat there, wound the window down and stared back, he drove forward a bit, so did i, he drove back a bit so did i, still giving him the Fred Astaire. Then he started giving me the thumbs up, all smiley like, i mouthed mug at him through his still closed window and he was still grinning like an Iron with a new tub of poppers. As soon at the lights turned to green he was off quicker than a hamster up Freddie Mercury. Just about sums that lot up, hard and lairy as ***** until it's put on them.FACT.

 

Cor, you are so hard and I am massively impressed. Will you sign my shirt ?

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Its your worst f*ckin nightmare, INIT Can you face the abyss two weeks before crimbo,

i've read this a few times & i'm still not sure i understand you ? don't they teach English on your little island ?

yes, going to that dump is my worst nightmare( risk of disease,injury from decaying arena) but it will be sweat dreams when we put you in your place!

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Pompey fans try and dress the rivalry up in all this mythology. They try to make out like it's a case of class warfare, with Portsmouth representing the "working man" and Southampton the "snobby, rich middle-classes" (which is just laughably absurd). But the fact is, we, or rather I, hate them because they are a nasty little club who play at a nasty little ground with nasty fans in a nasty, horrible little city. Everything about them is vile and disgusting. Simple as that.

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yeah it'll be quite scary playing in front of such a big crowd.

When you've taken 50,000 to Wembley, then you can make out your support is big and loud.

Didn't hear a peep for an hour at St Marys last time, expecting it to go quiet early doors in the December game too.

 

One of my skate mates said they are going to ruin our Christmas, I told him that come April we will feck your whole season good and proper.

 

6 years gone, 36 hours to go.

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I've got to say, every Pompey fan I have met has been pretty sound. I think the more we play each other, the less vitriolic the atmosphere will be.

 

oh for f*cks sake. please don't come to skates away in December, we could do without "fans" like you

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Historically there has always been rivalry between the ports, with Southampton existing as a naval port prior to Portsmuff, this continued with commercial rivalry into the Victorian era. The posting above about 1970s youth culture and football violence is spot on, and from this the tag 'Pompey Scum' emerged - at some point this was hijacked by the blue few and reversed to 'Scummer' with some pseudo-historical nonsense tagged on as justification for good measure.

 

The ranking of the Portsmouth hooligan element has also been hyped up over the years, and anyone who can remember 'Docker' Hughes and his .657 (bus) crew would vouch for much malnutrition, acne, 36 inch chests, and market stall Harrington jackets. There were many occasions in the 70s and 80s when the pubs of Millbrook, Lordshill and Thornhill, along with much of Southampton docks emptied for a home game and visiting 'hard cases' got the shock of their lives inside and outside the ground, and there was an element of that the last time we met the skates at St Marys - perhaps their Premier League sojourn softened them a bit more than they would like to admit.

 

In recent years, my personal (genetically implanted) dislike has been fuelled by the continual stream of bullsh*t from both PFC and their supporters as they've been passed from one foreign speculator to another, like playing pass the parcel with a turd. In all of this they've managed to fool the national media, cheat HMRC, and destroy local businesses whilst acting like a poor man's West Ham United, which is pretty much what they are (albeit with half the support). For a visual reminder of the basis for the rivalry have a look at a picture of our respective 'super fans' - ours the late great Herbie Taylor, theirs the overdue, idiotic pastiche W******d.

 

Thankfully natural selction always endures...

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Those saying they dont hate them are either over 60 years old and were all luvvy duvvy going to watch both teams different weeks, or dont live locally. I cant even remember why i hate them to be honest, all i know is i f*cking hate seeing the name anywhere and cannot wait to meet them on the 17th December. The atmosphere at the fa cup game was unbelievabe (albeit for 60 minutes). They're a sh!te club with sh!te support.

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Lived there, went out with a bird from there, had one as my best man (didn't marry the bird though). I can understand a healthy rivalry, but the vitriol perplexes me. As others have stated my old man would go see Pompey if Saints were away.

There are complete c*%ts at both end of the M27, I dare say if we were playing at their place a few days after a hero of theirs passed away there'd be some tw>ts of ours booing - even before the Ted Bates abomination had taken place.

Some people really need to grow up IMO. If football never came into it, 99 times out of a hundred, you would have no clue they were blue. Poopey, Pimpley etc etc etc ....come on, grow up. Rise above it.

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Lived there, went out with a bird from there, had one as my best man (didn't marry the bird though). I can understand a healthy rivalry, but the vitriol perplexes me. As others have stated my old man would go see Pompey if Saints were away.

There are complete c*%ts at both end of the M27, I dare say if we were playing at their place a few days after a hero of theirs passed away there'd be some tw>ts of ours booing - even before the Ted Bates abomination had taken place.

Some people really need to grow up IMO. If football never came into it, 99 times out of a hundred, you would have no clue they were blue. Poopey, Pimpley etc etc etc ....come on, grow up. Rise above it.

Being from Hampshire and speaking like they're from London?

 

Anyway, I will not rise above it. I detest them.

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Being from Hampshire and speaking like they're from London?

 

Anyway, I will not rise above it. I detest them.

 

They dont speak like they are from London. They try too, but it come out as some Jamie Oliveresque drivel. An awful accent.

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I can never quite bring myself to hate them - that's a bit extreme I think, but then I suppose I'm not a proper Saints fan am I? People on here are saying they don't care about them, so why refer to them at every Saints game? Why give them a second thought? This "When I was just a little girl" ;) nonsense is sung and "Stand up if you hate Pompey" when there are no Pompey fans in earshot. What's the point? I can understand it when we're playing against them but does it help our team? I don't think so. Our energies should be devoted to singing songs that drive our team on.

I await your abuse.:rolleyes::yawn:

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I can never quite bring myself to hate them - that's a bit extreme I think, but then I suppose I'm not a proper Saints fan am I? People on here are saying they don't care about them, so why refer to them at every Saints game? Why give them a second thought? This "When I was just a little girl" ;) nonsense is sung and "Stand up if you hate Pompey" when there are no Pompey fans in earshot. What's the point? I can understand it when we're playing against them but does it help our team? I don't think so. Our energies should be devoted to singing songs that drive our team on.

I await your abuse.:rolleyes::yawn:

 

correct you are not a proper saints fans, at least you know that now.

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Been brought up to hate them. My hate for them is similar to my love of Saints. There is nothing better than being at a game between the two and witnessing the sheer hate between the two sets of fans. I hope those on here saying they're not bothered about Pompey don't turn up on 18th September. Let's be honest too, asking this on a forum isn't going to give anyone a balanced view, because they tend to be full of nerds anyway.

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The deep burning hatred didn't really start until the recent spate of cheating and lies that left local business' schools and charities out of pocket at the expense of high wage earning players brought in when insolvent.

 

Before that I only mildly despised them

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Historically there has always been rivalry between the ports, with Southampton existing as a naval port prior to Portsmuff, this continued with commercial rivalry into the Victorian era. The posting above about 1970s youth culture and football violence is spot on, and from this the tag 'Pompey Scum' emerged - at some point this was hijacked by the blue few and reversed to 'Scummer' with some pseudo-historical nonsense tagged on as justification for good measure.

 

The ranking of the Portsmouth hooligan element has also been hyped up over the years, and anyone who can remember 'Docker' Hughes and his .657 (bus) crew would vouch for much malnutrition, acne, 36 inch chests, and market stall Harrington jackets. There were many occasions in the 70s and 80s when the pubs of Millbrook, Lordshill and Thornhill, along with much of Southampton docks emptied for a home game and visiting 'hard cases' got the shock of their lives inside and outside the ground, and there was an element of that the last time we met the skates at St Marys - perhaps their Premier League sojourn softened them a bit more than they would like to admit.

 

In recent years, my personal (genetically implanted) dislike has been fuelled by the continual stream of bullsh*t from both PFC and their supporters as they've been passed from one foreign speculator to another, like playing pass the parcel with a turd. In all of this they've managed to fool the national media, cheat HMRC, and destroy local businesses whilst acting like a poor man's West Ham United, which is pretty much what they are (albeit with half the support). For a visual reminder of the basis for the rivalry have a look at a picture of our respective 'super fans' - ours the late great Herbie Taylor, theirs the overdue, idiotic pastiche W******d.

 

Thankfully natural selection always endures...

 

 

Well said, sir.

 

The voice of sanity in an oasis of confusion.

 

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Historically there has always been rivalry between the ports, with Southampton existing as a naval port prior to Portsmuff, this continued with commercial rivalry into the Victorian era. The posting above about 1970s youth culture and football violence is spot on, and from this the tag 'Pompey Scum' emerged - at some point this was hijacked by the blue few and reversed to 'Scummer' with some pseudo-historical nonsense tagged on as justification for good measure.

 

The ranking of the Portsmouth hooligan element has also been hyped up over the years, and anyone who can remember 'Docker' Hughes and his .657 (bus) crew would vouch for much malnutrition, acne, 36 inch chests, and market stall Harrington jackets. There were many occasions in the 70s and 80s when the pubs of Millbrook, Lordshill and Thornhill, along with much of Southampton docks emptied for a home game and visiting 'hard cases' got the shock of their lives inside and outside the ground, and there was an element of that the last time we met the skates at St Marys - perhaps their Premier League sojourn softened them a bit more than they would like to admit.

 

In recent years, my personal (genetically implanted) dislike has been fuelled by the continual stream of bullsh*t from both PFC and their supporters as they've been passed from one foreign speculator to another, like playing pass the parcel with a turd. In all of this they've managed to fool the national media, cheat HMRC, and destroy local businesses whilst acting like a poor man's West Ham United, which is pretty much what they are (albeit with half the support). For a visual reminder of the basis for the rivalry have a look at a picture of our respective 'super fans' - ours the late great Herbie Taylor, theirs the overdue, idiotic pastiche W******d.

 

Thankfully natural selction always endures...

 

Just like to point out that the late great Herbie Taylor is alive and well and still doing stadium tours

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The funny thing about all the SCUM rumour ( I though it was South Coast Union Members btw) is that Southampton City Council have been using private bin collectors from......

 

PORTSMOUTH!!!

 

Not sure where the name 'Skates' comes from, was always scummers up until about 1995.

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Been brought up to hate them. My hate for them is similar to my love of Saints. There is nothing better than being at a game between the two and witnessing the sheer hate between the two sets of fans. I hope those on here saying they're not bothered about Pompey don't turn up on 18th September. Let's be honest too, asking this on a forum isn't going to give anyone a balanced view, because they tend to be full of nerds anyway.

 

anyone that says they are not bother by Pompey etc, does not deserve a ticket to the game at Fratton Park and we could do without them there.

 

BTW MIlton Aggros post is spot on.

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So many embarrassing posts and no doubt Portsmouth scum ridiculing it on their forums.

I hate the word skates - nearly as embarrassing as Poopey. or any other mention of fish. They are scummers - embarrassing how we have dropped it.

 

The reason we hate them? Cant believe such a basic question from what must be a Johnny come lately and also others wanting to analyse something inherent in football - it's basic tribalism ffs. Swansea hate Cardiff. Newcastle hate Sunderland, Villa hate Birmingham etc - Basic of basics. Next question why is there war and not love peace and harmony?

 

Added to tribalism is past experience - I remember plenty of pitch battles at Waterloo, Covent Garden. They used to come to Soton often as well trying to pick off Saints boys. They were the only f*ckers at Italia 90 who wouldnt bury the hatchet when Millwall, WHU, Chelsea et al were all happy to get on for 4 weeks.

I don't personally hate all Portsmouth fans and plenty of reasonable sorts around and so many Saints ***ts that are worse but definitely 'hate' them collectively.

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I agree that this docker thing is a total myth.In fact its always been the Southampton dockers who were militant and because they were on strike in the early 70s,P&O stopped sailing from Southampton and moved to Portsmouth instead.

So whatever they think in Skatesville,they are wrong.

 

Indeed. My dad (a retired docker) did flying picket duty in Portsmouth during a strike in the late 70s, they didn't get any support from Pompey workers. The MD from Townsend Thoreson got a bollocking from the police when he moaned about his jag being turned upside down, for parking it there in the first place.

 

I've said this more times than I care to remember, Southampton dockers didn't break a strike, it is a myth.

 

I've played football with a fair few Pompey supporters, and they were all good lads. We had a bit of banter with each other, and there was no malice. It's a shame that it isn't like that generally.

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For example, try a wearing a Saints shirt in Pompey - at the very least you will get A LOT of abuse and more than likely physically attacked. Yet I have seen people wearing Skate shirts in Southampton and everyone just ignoring them.

 

Great post on the whole, but thought I'd pick out this line as I read it with a wry smile on my face. Undoubtedly true in my experience - I lived in Southsea for just over a year (girlfriend's fault - she was at the sh*thole's uni) and used to get some pretty hefty abuse in Fratton when getting off the train after a Saints game. Pompey fans walking around Southampton might get a double take but little more.

 

I do think it stems from them being in our shadow for many of the pre-'05 years. Time to nab superiority of league position back ;)

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Whilst teaching in Gosport I was told that one of our scouts was beaten up whilst watching a game at Brune Park School because he was from Southampton. Consequently we don't send our scouts to that area anymore.

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Started out as a bit of a fun rivalry for me, but the last few years I've grown to really despise the vast majority of them. One of the clueless ****s was giving me a load of aggro on twitter earlier, about how they've won so many more trophies than us. They really do not care about how they won it, and the people they shafted to do so. I really do hope these russians turn out to be big time crooks and the stinking cesspit of a corrupt excuse for a football club gets wound up closed like it should have been last year, and that its us who bang the final nail into their rotten decrepit coffins. ****s.

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