Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Is this guy good? Don't know much about him myself... Either way, a central defender is pretty much all we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Is this guy good? Don't know much about him myself... Either way, a central defender is pretty much all we need right now. QPR fans pretty much agree that he was their best CB last year, and he played 43 games out of 46 as they won the league. Would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 QPR fans pretty much agree that he was their best CB last year, and he played 43 games out of 46 as they won the league. Would be amazing. Well, this does sound good then. Incredible we even have him, if true of course. I expect it would have been a hefty fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Is this guy good? Don't know much about him myself... Either way, a central defender is pretty much all we need right now. Joined Blackpool on 1st Jan 2007; played for them 50 times in the league in a year and half, won promotion in season 2007/08 with them (while scoring 7 goals). Transferred summer 2008 to QPR. Has since played 114 league games for QPR in 3 seasons, and got promoted with them last year having played over 40 games. So he has a decent history, if that of a player deemed more than good enough for top Championship level but not good enough for the Premier league by two previous managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Well, this does sound good then. Incredible we even have him, if true of course. I expect it would have been a hefty fee. According to the reports, we wouldn't pay anything for him. QPR will give him to us and 400k for Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 According to the reports, we wouldn't pay anything for him. QPR will give him to us and 400k for Puncheon. They must really rate Puncheon then... crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 So he has a decent history, if that of a player deemed more than good enough for top Championship level but not good enough for the Premier league by two previous managers. One manager - Warnock. Also doesn't necessarily mean Warnock doesn't think he is good enough, just he has other priorities for his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Blackpool ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Blackpool ? His promotion with Blackpool was from League One to the Championship, and in any case he wasn't deemed "not good enough for Blackpool in the Championship", he played for a season at Blackpool in the Championship and then they sold him to a bigger Championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 One manager - Warnock. His promotion with Blackpool was from League One to the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Don't understand why they'd want to get rid of him, which is making me a bit doubtful over it all. Gabbidon has had a poor record with injuries (if memory serves) and was woefully out of form last season. Can't see why they'd sign him and shift Gorkss, if indeed that is the case as some people believe. Still, if it is all true and we get Gorkss, lose Puncheon and get a few bob, that's fine by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 They must really rate Puncheon then... crazy. Warnock has gone on record about Puncheon. "We need a wide player, obviously Wayne Routledge looks like joining Swansea, and we've been looking at Jason Puncheon," "He's someone who has done really well, he's exactly the sort of player I like, he's pacy and direct, someone with something to prove, a player with a bit of hunger. We need players like that at QPR this season. "He's a player we've been looking at, so now we need to see what happens in the next 10 days or so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Stop with the ill-informed crap then. You were using something against Gorkss, when it was simply ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 One manager - Warnock. Also doesn't necessarily mean Warnock doesn't think he is good enough, just he has other priorities for his squad. He doesnt think hes good enough as hes just resigned Ramage ans ****tu who were free agents and we are up against our 25 man squad limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 He doesnt think hes good enough as hes just resigned Ramage ans ****tu who were free agents and we are up against our 25 man squad limit. Do you think he's good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Don't understand why they'd want to get rid of him, which is making me a bit doubtful over it all. Gabbidon has had a poor record with injuries (if memory serves) and was woefully out of form last season. Can't see why they'd sign him and shift Gorkss, if indeed that is the case as some people believe. Still, if it is all true and we get Gorkss, lose Puncheon and get a few bob, that's fine by me! A reason I see is that Warnock just isn't being given any serious cash for transfers. They've got in Gabbidon, Dyer, Bothroyd etc, all for no upfront fee. It seems like the coffers are bare, or close to it. Also, they've lost Routledge, who is IMO a very good player and real attacking threat. With Gabbidon on board, Sh*ttu as his partner, Gorkss is going to be 3rd choice. May as well get as close to a swap deal as they can and fill a hole they have on the wing, losing a substitute (albeit a good one). Quite how QPR have no money to spend is another matter altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 He doesnt think hes good enough as hes just resigned Ramage ans ****tu who were free agents and we are up against our 25 man squad limit. That still doesn't prove Warnock doesn't think Gorkss is good enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 That still doesn't prove Warnock doesn't think Gorkss is good enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Brilliant, shall we just call him 'Tippex'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 That still doesn't prove Warnock doesn't think Gorkss is good enough for the Premier League. If Warnock thought the defender, who has been raved about as being their best CB and also played 90%+ of the games last year in their promotion season, yet he is willing to exchange him for another player then that would suggest that he is not thought of, by Warnock as one of his major cogs. It really isn't that hard a concept to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 That still doesn't prove Warnock doesn't think Gorkss is good enough for the Premier League. If Warnock thought the defender, who has been raved about as being their best CB and also played 90%+ of the games last year in their promotion season, yet he is willing to exchange him for another player then that would suggest that he is not thought of, by Warnock as one of his major cogs. It really isn't that hard a concept to grasp. It is not me failing to grasp a concept. A manager selling a player doesn't not mean he thinks he couldn't do a good job at that level. Saints are selling Puncheon and Mills, they both played in the Championship last season and did well. By selling them it doesn't mean Adkins doesn't think they can do a job in the Championship. Just that he has other plans for his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) So which of Chamberlain or Lallana would you have dropped to a League One substitute bench in order to accommodate Puncheon in the starting eleven? I'm not saying Puncheon is a bad player, he clearly isn't. But Chamberlain and Lallana are both better, I'm surprised you think otherwise. Saint Lard does not think that either Lallana or Chamberlain are Championship standard. I do not know how highly he rates Puncheon, but I suspect he feels that JP is better than both AL and AOC. Edited 4 August, 2011 by Minsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 It is not me failing to grasp a concept. A manager selling a player doesn't not mean he thinks he couldn't do a good job at that level. Saints are selling Puncheon and Mills, they both played in the Championship last season and did well. By selling them it doesn't mean Adkins doesn't think they can do a job in the Championship. Just that he has other plans for his squad. Yes, that's entirely the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 It is not me failing to grasp a concept. A manager selling a player doesn't not mean he thinks he couldn't do a good job at that level. Saints are selling Puncheon and Mills, they both played in the Championship last season and did well. By selling them it doesn't mean Adkins doesn't think they can do a job in the Championship. Just that he has other plans for his squad. Which is basically what I said, Warnock is willing to sell a player who last year was one of the first names on the team sheet, for me, and with the fact that they have not really strengthened tells me they are not too impressed with what he can do at prem level. FWIW Puncheon is leaving not through ability but attitude and we already have better players than Mills who has never been a regular feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 It is not me failing to grasp a concept. A manager selling a player doesn't not mean he thinks he couldn't do a good job at that level. Saints are selling Puncheon and Mills, they both played in the Championship last season and did well. By selling them it doesn't mean Adkins doesn't think they can do a job in the Championship. Just that he has other plans for his squad. So did Puncheon or Mills play 95% of games for Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 A reason I see is that Warnock just isn't being given any serious cash for transfers. They've got in Gabbidon, Dyer, Bothroyd etc, all for no upfront fee. It seems like the coffers are bare, or close to it. Also, they've lost Routledge, who is IMO a very good player and real attacking threat. With Gabbidon on board, Sh*ttu as his partner, Gorkss is going to be 3rd choice. May as well get as close to a swap deal as they can and fill a hole they have on the wing, losing a substitute (albeit a good one). Quite how QPR have no money to spend is another matter altogether. Indeed - they were meant to sign DJ Campbell today but could not afford it as they are still waiting for their first payment from the Premier League! Wonder if that means this transfer will be a bit drawn out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 QPR have signed Campbell, no hopefully his ex-Blackpool teammate can join him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) Yes, that's entirely the same thing. Which is basically what I said, Warnock is willing to sell a player who last year was one of the first names on the team sheet, for me, and with the fact that they have not really strengthened tells me they are not too impressed with what he can do at prem level. FWIW Puncheon is leaving not through ability but attitude and we already have better players than Mills who has never been a regular feature. Yes, he might not want him in his squad, but that doesn't prove one way or another that he doesn't think he is good enough for the Premier League. Other factors such as budgets, versatility of other players, restricted to a 25 man squad for players over 21 etc etc all play a part. Edited 4 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) Oh and regarding Jason Puncheon possibly heading to the Skates, they're already got their own version of him: Greg Halford. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/great-matches/journeyman_greg_in_for_the_long_haul_1_2928396 "Greg Halford finally has a manager who believes in him. Now one of football’s journeymen is ready to put down roots and fulfil his immense potential. It has been seven clubs in the last four years for the 26-year-old. A procession of employers from the Premier League and Championship suggests a talent not yet successfully nurtured. Halford has certainly had his problems with some of his managers, including Mick McCarthy and Roy Keane. Their handling of the player they brought in for millions of pounds has been described as ‘baffling’ by the versatile performer himself. Not so at Pompey, though, where he returned this summer to link-up with Steve Cotterill permanently" I am not a complex character, I get bored very easily and find from talking to other managers they think sometimes I find it too easy and go into the comfort zone." He added: ‘It’s funny, Wolves wanted to get some money in from me to go and sign Roger Johnson, which is baffling' Oh dear. The Skates have filled their vacancy for someone with an attitude problem, so send Puncheon to QPR and let's have Gorkss. Thanks! Edited 4 August, 2011 by Crazy Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 So did Puncheon or Mills play 95% of games for Saints? Puncheon played a very high % until Chamberlain broke through. Puncheon was still good enough for League One, the Championship and Premier League though (just not Saints starting XI). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Yes, he might not want him in his squad, but that doesn't prove one way or another that he doesn't think he is good enough for the Premier League. Other factors such as budgets, versatility of other players, restricted to a 25 man squad for players over 21 etc etc all play a part. He played over 90% of their season last year, and now he is happy to let him go. If he Warnock believed he could cut the mustard I am pretty sure he would keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Puncheon played a very high % until Chamberlain broke through. Puncheon was still good enough for League One, the Championship and Premier League though (just not Saints starting XI). So no then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 He played over 90% of their season last year, and now he is happy to let him go. If he Warnock believed he could cut the mustard I am pretty sure he would keep him. Still missing the point I'm making. That doesn't mean Warnock thinks he couldn't play in the Premier League for someone else or even Q.P.R. under different circumstances. Numerous other factors are involved as I outlined earlier. Simply him selling him doesn't prove what Warnock thinks of his ability to be "Premier League standard". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 So no is the answer to Puncheon playing? Pretty sure last year he played very few games for you. How abouts Mills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Blimey, this is like having a conversation with Rain Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) So no is the answer to Puncheon playing? Pretty sure last year he played very few games for you. What point are you actually trying to make? - Puncheon played lots of games for Saints in 2009/10 in League One from January until May - Puncheon did well in a short spell in the Championship with Millwall - Puncheon did well in a short spell in the Premier League with Blackpool Adkins will be fully aware that Puncheon has the ability to perform at all three levels. Saints are currently in the Championship, yet Adkins wants to sell him because Chamberlain and Lallana are better. That does not mean Adkins doesn't think Puncheon couldn't do a good job for another Championship or Premier League team, in fact I think it is very likely Adkins thinks Puncheon would do a good job at Premier League or Championship level. The act or merely selling Puncheon doesn't prove Adkins doesn't think this, nor does it prove it. In the same way selling Gorkss doesn't mean Warnock thinks he couldn't do a job at Premier League level. Edited 4 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) By the way - just to butt in on the non-news. The OS training photos show someone in the no.5 shirt. It's Richardson, but perhaps just for training? Edited 4 August, 2011 by Saint Fan CaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 By the way - just to butt in on the non-news. The OS training photos show someone in the no.5 shirt. I'm not entirely sure who it is, but it didn't look like a defender. ): Frazer Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 How would Adkins be aware at what level the Premiership player needs to be? To my humble knowledge hes never managed there whereas Warnock has been there and done it. The bigger question for me is if Puncheon can be deemed by Warnock to do a job in the Prem now why isnt your manager not playing him instead of Chamberlain who many regard as too green to play in the prem reguarly (albeit he has greater potential) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Just for some diversity..... I think Gorkss will be an excellent partner for Fonte, and thus will be very happy if he comes here. WHEN we get to the prem we can worry about if our CBS are good enough or who they should be then; but I have no doubt that Gorkss is good enough to help us get there. (Not that I think his signing will mean it will happen this season. if he does sign I still think we will end up around 9th-12th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 (edited) How would Adkins be aware at what level the Premiership player needs to be? To my humble knowledge hes never managed there whereas Warnock has been there and done it. The bigger question for me is if Puncheon can be deemed by Warnock to do a job in the Prem now why isnt your manager not playing him instead of Chamberlain who many regard as too green to play in the prem reguarly (albeit he has greater potential) Adkins and Saints fans have witnessed on many occasions Puncheon, Lallana and Chamberlain first hand. It is quite clear which are the better two players. Your statement of "Puncheon can be deemed by Warnock to do a job in the Prem now why isnt your manager not playing him instead of Chamberlain" has little logic to it. How do you know that if offered a choice between Puncheon and Chamberlain that Warnock wouldn't choose Chamberlain? Warnock simply wouldn't be able to sign Chamberlain as he doesn't have the budget. I think however it is very likely Warnock would prefer Chamberlain, he just doesn't have the luxury Adkins does of being in a position of having both players and picking the best one to start a game. Edited 4 August, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Have to say, Lambert looks very thin, hope it bodes well for a 30+ season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Have to say, Lambert looks very thin, hope it bodes well for a 30+ season! Indeed, I think lessons were learnt after Switzerland last year. What a disaster that pre-season was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Just for some diversity..... I think Gorkss will be an excellent partner for Fonte, and thus will be very happy if he comes here. WHEN we get to the prem we can worry about if our CBS are good enough or who they should be then; but I have no doubt that Gorkss is good enough to help us get there. (Not that I think his signing will mean it will happen this season. if he does sign I still think we will end up around 9th-12th). To get this back on track (and to alleviate the mind-numbing pedantry), I agree. He sounds like a perfect replacement for Jaidi, and also seems to have a few goals in his armoury as well. I've been resigned to the fact that Puncheon has played his last game for us for quite some time now, so if we can complete the switch AND get some money in return, it would really be a great deal. I'm still completely at a loss as to exactly how good this squad is though; but with a new CB and also a new, rapid striker, I really don't think a play-off place is in any way out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Better to have a thread of his own than bogged down talking about Jemal and Puncheon. solentsport BBC Radio Solent @solentsport understands #saintsfc have bid accepted by QPR for Kaspar Gorkss - source in London suggests - may still be issues to sort. Sounds like we're a while away before that develops. Looks like we're going to be starting that donkey Seaborne vs Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 How would Adkins be aware at what level the Premiership player needs to be? To my humble knowledge hes never managed there whereas Warnock has been there and done it. The bigger question for me is if Puncheon can be deemed by Warnock to do a job in the Prem now why isnt your manager not playing him instead of Chamberlain who many regard as too green to play in the prem reguarly (albeit he has greater potential) Do you HONESTLY believe that someone has to have been a manager in the premier league to have an opinion over whether or not a player is good enough to play in it? Strange! Anyway, to answer your question: Puncheon is not being played because he and the manager/coaching staff had a big falling out. When such a thing nhappens the manager is invariably the winner, as he simply refuses to pick the player. of course, should the player apologise, work hard, etc, etc, the manager might forgive him. However, instead of doing this Puncheon just continued to act like a spoilt child. In short, Puncheon has no future at Saints because of his attitude - not his ability (but then I have never been a manager of a prem club, so maybe it does have something to do with his ability ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Frazer Richardson. Its ok he's got 2 on his shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 I think it's fair to say the vests have no bearing on the squad number... Rickie is wearing three, and Connolly(?) 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 And Rickie does look lean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Its ok he's got 2 on his shorts. Good spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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