S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 You still haven't explained to me the huge number of better teams this season compared to last... - Blackpool have lost Vaughan, Adams and will lose Campbell. They haven't replaced them with anything similar or better. - Birmingham will soon be ripped apart. - Leeds have lost a number of players and not replaced them with any better. - Burnley have lost a number of key players like Cork, Mears and Eagles and not replaced them with better. - Nottingham Forest have lost a number of key players and haven't been spending this summer. - Middlesborough have run out of parachute money and are selling all the high earners and relying on youth players. - Reading have lost a number of key players including their captain Mills and look like they will lose Long. - Cardiff lost a lot of important players, Bellamy, Bothroyd and Burke etc - Pompey have a squad of 15 players. etc etc... It is only really the West Ham and Leicester City squads that look to have a real threat about them. Last season you had an awful relegated Portsmouth team, who struggled to compete at the start of the season. Burnley were poor and not up to much with Laws in charge tbh, they only really got going on a late surge once Howe was there. Hull wern't much better either, a really poor squad last season - and had the drain of someone like Bullard on their wage bill which is why the struggled to bring anyone in. Compare that to the clubs coming down this year....West Ham, will be very very hard - still the basis of a mid-table premiership squad there. Blackpool still have a decent team, and have made a couple of good additions. With holloway at the helm they'll still be a threat. (and they'll score lots of goals). Birmingham are the team you'd have more of a question mark over, but they still have a bloody decent squad there and the fire sale hasn't happened to the extent people were expecting. I also like their manager and I think they'll end up being a very hard team to beat this year. So IMO the 3 relegated teams are already stronger than the 3 from last year. Then you add the likes of Leicester city who are going mad, Ipswich have recruited really well and seem to have got over their Keane debacle and Burnley under Howe will be more of a threat than they were under Laws. I think a lot of clubs are in a much better position than they were last year, add to that the quality of players being relegated into this league and Leicesters Man City impression. It is tougher, and the chances of anyone doing a ''Norwich'' are slim to say the least. Top half mid-table for us and Brighton would be a fair reflection IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Last season you had an awful relegated Portsmouth team, who struggled to compete at the start of the season. Burnley were poor and not up to much with Laws in charge tbh, they only really got going on a late surge once Howe was there. Hull wern't much better either, a really poor squad last season - and had the drain of someone like Bullard on their wage bill which is why the struggled to bring anyone in. Compare that to the clubs coming down this year....West Ham, will be very very hard - still the basis of a mid-table premiership squad there. Blackpool still have a decent team, and have made a couple of good additions. With holloway at the helm they'll still be a threat. (and they'll score lots of goals). Birmingham are the team you'd have more of a question mark over, but they still have a bloody decent squad there and the fire sale hasn't happened to the extent people were expecting. I also like their manager and I think they'll end up being a very hard team to beat this year. So IMO the 3 relegated teams are already stronger than the 3 from last year. Then you add the likes of Leicester city who are going mad, Ipswich have recruited really well and seem to have got over their Keane debacle and Burnley under Howe will be more of a threat than they were under Laws. I think a lot of clubs are in a much better position than they were last year, add to that the quality of players being relegated into this league and Leicesters Man City impression. It is tougher, and the chances of anyone doing a ''Norwich'' are slim to say the least. Top half mid-table for us and Brighton would be a fair reflection IMO. You ignored all my points about Burnley, Blackpool and everyone else (Leeds, Reading, Cardiff etc). How are they equal or stronger than last year having lost their best players and not signed better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 ESPN's Richard Jolly (who?) has us as low as 15th! Am I the only one who'd be disappointed with that? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/938890/championship-2011-12:-club-by-club?cc=5739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 ESPN's Richard Jolly (who?) has us as low as 15th! Am I the only one who'd be disappointed with that? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/938890/championship-2011-12:-club-by-club?cc=5739 No,you would not be alone. Certainly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 You ignored all my points about Burnley, Blackpool and everyone else (Leeds, Reading, Cardiff etc). How are they equal or stronger than last year having lost their best players and not signed better? I didn't ignore your points at Burnley, they've lost Mears and Eagles...but look like replacing them with Trecey and Boyd who are decent IMO. And I just think it's not always about the indviduals, it's the team...and they seemed to have more of a team after howe got a grip of them, that's why I think they'll be challenging. Blackpool, again, I said above - even if they've lost some of their key men, they've done well to add the likes of Barry Ferguson to the mix and this is the season Matt Phillips will make a name for himself. They'll get a striker before the deadline and they'll continue to play the way they do, which is why they'll win more than not. Leeds look weaker, agreed, but other than Mills Reading have managed to keep the likes of Kebe, Macanuf, Long, Church etc...so they'll still be up there. Cardiff aren't in awful shape really either, they lost alot but they've added some decent players in the summer in attacking positions and I think they've got a decent manager too (Cowie, Mason, Earnshaw...), they won't threaten the auto's but I see no reason why they cannot challenge in and around the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 How's about a posting using last season's table with some uppy-downy arrows and the new clubs slotted in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 For a gauge on how good press predictions are; here is the Guardian's for last season: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league-blog/2010/aug/05/football-league-preview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wedge Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Telegraph really sums it up for me: 'With the likes of Alex Chamberlain, Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert, will not want for attacking options. Jack Cork is also an exciting signing from Chelsea. But they will find the Championship punishes their occasional defensive lapses more harshly. Will beat some superb teams, but also lose to some abject ones.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 I have some sympathy with that. CMS did us last year with pace, but I dont think that there are lots of guys with that pace AND the scoring touch he was in last season. FWIW - Top 10 would be great with a sniff of a play-off place. Nah but you only have to analyse the highlights of the 2 goals by West Brom, Seaborne wasn't where he should have been on either occasion, if he'd have been adequate for the first goal the cross wouldn't have come in, true Bart shouldn't have let is go though. Second goal you can clearly see Fonte bolliking Seaborne for his laxism.How some find him adequate I just can't see. A CB like a GK has to be perfect for 90+ minutes, one slip is all that some of the hotshots we'll soon be facing need. Seaborne was at LB for the second goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Sunday Express I had a flick through in the pub yesterday had something like Saints 12th, Brighton 10th and Skate Cheats FC 9th. I nearly spat out my beer. Why is this unreasonable? We are a newly promoted team, the championship is a very level playing field. There are realistically about 3 team who would expect to win the title, 5 or 6 who will be fighting relegation and the rest could make the play offs. I can see Saints finishing anywhere between 4th and 16th, depending on things going right, badly and if we do or dont sign anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Telegraph really sums it up for me: 'With the likes of Alex Chamberlain, Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert, will not want for attacking options. Jack Cork is also an exciting signing from Chelsea. But they will find the Championship punishes their occasional defensive lapses more harshly. Will beat some superb teams, but also lose to some abject ones.' That pretty much sums up Saints for the entire 20 years I've been supporting them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surman4no7shirt Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Last time we were in the Championship it was the clubs with the best teams that won, not the clubs with the best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 The press always expect newly promoted teams to struggle, as often turns out to be the case. I think we'll surprise everyone, but that doesn't necessarily equate to back-to-back promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 For a gauge on how good press predictions are; here is the Guardian's for last season: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league-blog/2010/aug/05/football-league-preview They got it pretty much all wrong except Scunny getting relegated - didn't tip either of QPR/Norwich to go up automtically; didn't tip Swansea to make the play-off let alone go up; predicted 'Boro and Sheff U (lol) to make the play-offs and said that Preston will be comfortable mid-table and Millwall would be in for a tough season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 The times have us at 16th right? This was their predictions for the 09/10 season http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article6736633.ece As we all know that was the year Newcastle were in the league and they eventually finished 1st. Where did the times have them to finish? 20th....... They had Sheffield United to win it and Middlesborugh to finish 2nd...... They had Peterborough to finish 13th..... (they were last, 15 points adrift of everyone) The Telegraph for the same year had Blackpool down http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/championship/5955980/The-Championship-team-by-team-guide-to-the-2009-10-season.html They went on to go to the PL.... Point is the race will never be as easy as saying "the big clubs will do well, the little clubs will go down, the teams that just came up will struggle and the teams that came down from the PL will bounce straight back up". If teams like Norwich,Millwall and Leeds all came up and had a good year then why can't we? Last year we were the 2nd best team in regards to goals scored against us in all the leagues. Only QPR let in less goals. But yet now we have a poor defence?? Sure Jaidi is a year older but saying we will leak goals is a tad ott. Because of the amount of breaks we will get due to international games i think Jaidi will be alright. Won't have to play twice a week that much at all. Sure i'd like a new CB to partner Fonte but if we don't get one i wouldn't be too worried. If the press want to make us in some cases the underdogs then i think that is good because it means the pressure on us is not so high. But i think as time goes by and we are on tv every month they will start to see how good a side we really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 1 August, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Worth bearing in mind that West Ham are still going to lose players - Parker in particular will be off. Be interesting to see if he even gets picked as they may not want to risk an injury that could jeopardise the transfer fee and leave them picking up his wages for half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 For a gauge on how good press predictions are; here is the Guardian's for last season: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league-blog/2010/aug/05/football-league-preview Champions: Burnley Runners-up: Nottingham Forest Play-offs: Middlesbrough, Reading, Sheffield United, Leicester :lol: Relegation: Scunthorpe, Portsmouth, Ipswich In fairness having the DCFSBs relegated was a reasonable prediction. My prediction for other teams that will be the strongest challengers: Blackpool Hull Ipswich Leicester Middlesbrough Nottingham Forest West Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Who predicted Brighton to win League 1 last season or QPR, Norwich and Swansea to go up from the championship? most of them were predicted to be mid table at best. I dont care about predictions it is results that count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Here is another which seems reasonable http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/31/championship-predictions-new-season I love the Guardian's footie journalism, but thought this was **** poor. Goodman told us nothing, just spewed non specific rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethallee Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 Who predicted Brighton to win League 1 last season or QPR, Norwich and Swansea to go up from the championship? most of them were predicted to be mid table at best. I dont care about predictions it is results that count! Spot on. I take comfort in fact we are not well backed in the press circles means we are in for a decent season !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 I love the Guardian's footie journalism, but thought this was **** poor. Goodman told us nothing, just spewed non specific rhetoric "Southampton can use promotion from League One as a springboard for even more success..." Genius. Almost as good as the Times: "If they can make St Mary's a fortress they should be ok" or something enlightening like that." I suppose after about 20-odd pages of Premiership guff it's a token summary of the other divisions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 I think the bookies are a more reliable indicator of what is going to happen than the press. The spread betting firms in particular offer predictions on the number of points each team will gather. Sporting Index offer: Leicester City Points SELL76 - 78BUY West Ham Points SELL76 - 78BUY Reading Points SELL70 - 72BUY Nottingham Forest Points SELL69.5 - 71.5BUY Southampton Points SELL68 - 70BUY Birmingham Points SELL66 - 68BUY Leeds Points SELL66 - 68BUY Burnley Points SELL66 - 68BUY Hull City Points SELL66 - 68BUY Ipswich Points SELL66 - 68BUY Middlesbrough Points SELL65 - 67BUY Cardiff City Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Brighton Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Blackpool Points SELL62 - 64BUY Millwall Points SELL58 - 60BUY Portsmouth Points SELL57 - 59BUY Bristol City Points SELL56.5 - 58.5BUY Derby Points SELL55 - 57BUY Crystal Palace Points SELL53 - 55BUY Peterborough Points SELL52 - 54BUY Watford Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Doncaster Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Barnsley Points SELL51 - 53BUY Coventry City Points SELL50.5 - 52.5BUY (You sell if you think the result will be less than the prediction, you buy if you think a team will gain more) On the whole, I think this is a pretty fair summing up. Can anyone spot any value?? I think we may be quoted a little on the high side but will not bet against my team. Brum and Pompey look overrated. palace could be the surprise team. Last season under Dougie Freeman they recovered well from the mess that Burley had created. I do not expect them to be champions but I think they will get more than 55 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 1 August, 2011 Share Posted 1 August, 2011 I think FourFourTwo had us down for like 10th. brighton 12th and pompey 15th Now that seems nearer the mark, i would say we'll be top ten and that would be a pretty good finish. Promotion or play offs, no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 2 August, 2011 Share Posted 2 August, 2011 I think the bookies are a more reliable indicator of what is going to happen than the press. The spread betting firms in particular offer predictions on the number of points each team will gather. Sporting Index offer: Leicester City Points SELL76 - 78BUY West Ham Points SELL76 - 78BUY Reading Points SELL70 - 72BUY Nottingham Forest Points SELL69.5 - 71.5BUY Southampton Points SELL68 - 70BUY Birmingham Points SELL66 - 68BUY Leeds Points SELL66 - 68BUY Burnley Points SELL66 - 68BUY Hull City Points SELL66 - 68BUY Ipswich Points SELL66 - 68BUY Middlesbrough Points SELL65 - 67BUY Cardiff City Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Brighton Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Blackpool Points SELL62 - 64BUY Millwall Points SELL58 - 60BUY Portsmouth Points SELL57 - 59BUY Bristol City Points SELL56.5 - 58.5BUY Derby Points SELL55 - 57BUY Crystal Palace Points SELL53 - 55BUY Peterborough Points SELL52 - 54BUY Watford Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Doncaster Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Barnsley Points SELL51 - 53BUY Coventry City Points SELL50.5 - 52.5BUY (You sell if you think the result will be less than the prediction, you buy if you think a team will gain more) On the whole, I think this is a pretty fair summing up. Can anyone spot any value?? I think we may be quoted a little on the high side but will not bet against my team. Brum and Pompey look overrated. palace could be the surprise team. Last season under Dougie Freeman they recovered well from the mess that Burley had created. I do not expect them to be champions but I think they will get more than 55 points. I also think Saints are a bit overated on those spreads. I'd say the value is to buy Hull and definitely Ipswich and sell Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 Just read the Championship pull-out of the local paper up here (written from a Hull City point of view). Predicted that we would finish 15th but then they obviously know bugger all about Saints because apparently Jonno Quick Forte is our "Star Man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 Last season you had an awful relegated Portsmouth team, who struggled to compete at the start of the season. Burnley were poor and not up to much with Laws in charge tbh, they only really got going on a late surge once Howe was there. Hull wern't much better either, a really poor squad last season - and had the drain of someone like Bullard on their wage bill which is why the struggled to bring anyone in. Compare that to the clubs coming down this year....West Ham, will be very very hard - still the basis of a mid-table premiership squad there. Blackpool still have a decent team, and have made a couple of good additions. With holloway at the helm they'll still be a threat. (and they'll score lots of goals). Birmingham are the team you'd have more of a question mark over, but they still have a bloody decent squad there and the fire sale hasn't happened to the extent people were expecting. I also like their manager and I think they'll end up being a very hard team to beat this year. So IMO the 3 relegated teams are already stronger than the 3 from last year. Then you add the likes of Leicester city who are going mad, Ipswich have recruited really well and seem to have got over their Keane debacle and Burnley under Howe will be more of a threat than they were under Laws. I think a lot of clubs are in a much better position than they were last year, add to that the quality of players being relegated into this league and Leicesters Man City impression. It is tougher, and the chances of anyone doing a ''Norwich'' are slim to say the least. Top half mid-table for us and Brighton would be a fair reflection IMO. Well all of these predictions need to be taken with a large pinch of salt because none of us know. But I was struck by your claim that West Ham still have the basis of a mid-table Premiership squad. That mid-table squad was relegated. I'm not saying that West Ham won't be strong. Just making the point that you can't necessarily predict results against perceived strength of squad. I predict we'll do quite well. But that's as much blind faith as any skilled analysis. And probably just as valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 Just read the Championship pull-out of the local paper up here (written from a Hull City point of view). Predicted that we would finish 15th but then they obviously know bugger all about Saints because apparently Jonno Quick Forte is our "Star Man." Very lazy by them, tbh alot of their focus is on the prem. and the likes of WHU and Leicester at this level, the rest are just meaningless to the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 Well all of these predictions need to be taken with a large pinch of salt because none of us know. But I was struck by your claim that West Ham still have the basis of a mid-table Premiership squad. That mid-table squad was relegated. I'm not saying that West Ham won't be strong. Just making the point that you can't necessarily predict results against perceived strength of squad. I predict we'll do quite well. But that's as much blind faith as any skilled analysis. And probably just as valid. If they had Big Sam in charge last season, and that squad (+ Kevin Nolan) I'm pretty confident they wouldn't have been anywhere near the bottom 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 If we want to keep Lallana, Chamberlain, De Ridder, Cork and Fonte beyond next year, we had better be promoted. The "baby steps" method simply won't work. We need to make giant strides and we need to make them pretty fast because if we don't, we'll lose the only Premier League quality players we have - and will only be able to afford to replace them with average Championship ones. You can never "go up too quickly" to the Premier League. Whatever happens, even relegation, we'd be £60m better off and in a better position to roll with the punches post-relegation and launch an immediate fightback. The longer we stay in one place and 'establish' ourselves, the more we'll stagnate and lose any players of significant ability and value. So, for those reasons alone - I hope we prove the critics wrong and gain promotion by any means necessary this year. I don't expect it, but I sure as hell hope for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 August, 2011 Share Posted 3 August, 2011 If we want to keep Lallana, Chamberlain, De Ridder, Cork and Fonte beyond next year, we had better be promoted. The "baby steps" method simply won't work. We need to make giant strides and we need to make them pretty fast because if we don't, we'll lose the only Premier League quality players we have - and will only be able to afford to replace them with average Championship ones. You can never "go up too quickly" to the Premier League. Whatever happens, even relegation, we'd be £60m better off and in a better position to roll with the punches post-relegation and launch an immediate fightback. The longer we stay in one place and 'establish' ourselves, the more we'll stagnate and lose any players of significant ability and value. So, for those reasons alone - I hope we prove the critics wrong and gain promotion by any means necessary this year. I don't expect it, but I sure as hell hope for it. Good post,imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Depends what you do with the £60million. There are numerous examples of parachute payments not stopping the financial haemorrhaging. Pretty much every club that gets relegated thinks the Championship will be a piece of ****. It is harder than ever this year with plenty of clubs having 'Premier League quality' players - and many with more than we possibly have. Also one impressive friendly is far too early put de Ridder in that bracket. World of difference between Fonte looking total class in L1 than him having to deal with likes of Rooney, RVP , Suarez etc so wouldnt assume any of Crab lungs mentions could do it in PL - even Adam. Not saying they wouldn't but not a given As others have said bookies are best indicators and any predictions from papers are not any more informed than any or ours - WHU, Leicester etc for promotion and everyone picking off Barnsley and Doncaster for relegation. Anyone could write it! Will still be stupidly backing Saints to win nearly every game though! Much better to be perceived as also rans although agree with one of the Sundays that Rickie may struggle with goals in Championship - hopefully I will be embarrassed by that statement come May! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Sky Sports have just done a writeup on the champiopnship: http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,15231_7079850,00.html SOUTHAMPTON Southampton have plenty of players who are pleasing on the eye and their midfield looks full of talent. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Adam Lallana are two of the best young English players around, the former is extremely dynamic and can play in a variety of positions, while the latter is a master creator. They also have two more orchestrators in Morgan Schneiderlin and Guly Do Prado and despite some people's reservations, I think Rickie Lambert can get goals at this level. Add in the experience of Kelvin Davis and Danny Butterfield and if they can defend well enough, they have a real chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Football365 have an article about "Key men to watch in the Championship". http://www.football365.com/faves/7080149/The-Key-Men-In-The-Championship... One of the players listed is Adam Lallana: Adam Lallana (Southampton) Whilst teammate Alex Oxlade Chamberlain is constantly linked with the leading lights of the Premier League, Lallana inexplicably drifts below the radar. Last season Lallana scored 20 goals to take the pressure of leading scorer Rickie Lambert, and at just 23 has the ability to make the scouts sit up and take notice this season. Potential winner of the Adel Taarabt Surprise Package of the Year award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Sky Sports have just done a writeup on the champiopnship: http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,15231_7079850,00.html Reading that he think virtually every team will do well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 I think the bookies are a more reliable indicator of what is going to happen than the press. The spread betting firms in particular offer predictions on the number of points each team will gather. Sporting Index offer: Leicester City Points SELL76 - 78BUY West Ham Points SELL76 - 78BUY Reading Points SELL70 - 72BUY Nottingham Forest Points SELL69.5 - 71.5BUY Southampton Points SELL68 - 70BUY Birmingham Points SELL66 - 68BUY Leeds Points SELL66 - 68BUY Burnley Points SELL66 - 68BUY Hull City Points SELL66 - 68BUY Ipswich Points SELL66 - 68BUY Middlesbrough Points SELL65 - 67BUY Cardiff City Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Brighton Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Blackpool Points SELL62 - 64BUY Millwall Points SELL58 - 60BUY Portsmouth Points SELL57 - 59BUY Bristol City Points SELL56.5 - 58.5BUY Derby Points SELL55 - 57BUY Crystal Palace Points SELL53 - 55BUY Peterborough Points SELL52 - 54BUY Watford Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Doncaster Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Barnsley Points SELL51 - 53BUY Coventry City Points SELL50.5 - 52.5BUY (You sell if you think the result will be less than the prediction, you buy if you think a team will gain more) On the whole, I think this is a pretty fair summing up. Can anyone spot any value?? I think we may be quoted a little on the high side but will not bet against my team. Brum and Pompey look overrated. palace could be the surprise team. Last season under Dougie Freeman they recovered well from the mess that Burley had created. I do not expect them to be champions but I think they will get more than 55 points. Very surprised we're that high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Daily Mail's round-up here: http://flblog.dailymail.co.uk/ Shaun Derry's comments here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2022114/Championship-kick-Shaun-Derrys-expert-verdict.html He has us down as play-off candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Football365 have an article about "Key men to watch in the Championship". http://www.football365.com/faves/7080149/The-Key-Men-In-The-Championship... One of the players listed is Adam Lallana: I saw that, but they fail to mention Saints at all in their season preview. It's all about the teams that have spent the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Why is this unreasonable? We are a newly promoted team, the championship is a very level playing field. There are realistically about 3 team who would expect to win the title, 5 or 6 who will be fighting relegation and the rest could make the play offs. I can see Saints finishing anywhere between 4th and 16th, depending on things going right, badly and if we do or dont sign anyone else. It was the idea of finishing below Brighton and Portsmouth I thought was mildly ridiculous, I can see us finishing 12th or better, but both of them should be delighted with that. We left Brighton behind last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 4 August, 2011 Share Posted 4 August, 2011 Didnt the bookies make us early favourites for automatic promotion. I suppose on the premise that we would spend big I would take mid table security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 5 August, 2011 Share Posted 5 August, 2011 picked up a free copy of Sport mag this morning - they have us down for 6th - which I'll happily take http://www.sport-magazine.co.uk/ round about page 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Thomas Posted 6 August, 2011 Share Posted 6 August, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14386768.stm - BBC one doesn't sound too positive on us really. http://www.betweenthegoalposts.com/?p=108#more-108 - and the preview I helped a blogger write a few days ago, so a bit more positive on us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 Just like to raise this one from the dead. Some great predictions here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 (edited) The only press prediction for the season outcome in the Championship, that I've seen so far is in The Times (Mon 1Aug). True to my impression that the press are obsessed with 'celebrity' managers The Times has Allardyce, Ericsson and McClaren as their top 3. The paper predicts Saints finishing as low as 16th. I might well file that prediction away to send back to them next May. If all three 'golden boys' miss out on promotion, even better. Anyone seen any other press predictions and what do you think about them? So the prediction was one better than Daleks 17th? Edited 29 April, 2012 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 I think the bookies are a more reliable indicator of what is going to happen than the press. The spread betting firms in particular offer predictions on the number of points each team will gather. Sporting Index offer: Leicester City Points SELL76 - 78BUY West Ham Points SELL76 - 78BUY Reading Points SELL70 - 72BUY Nottingham Forest Points SELL69.5 - 71.5BUY Southampton Points SELL68 - 70BUY Birmingham Points SELL66 - 68BUY Leeds Points SELL66 - 68BUY Burnley Points SELL66 - 68BUY Hull City Points SELL66 - 68BUY Ipswich Points SELL66 - 68BUY Middlesbrough Points SELL65 - 67BUY Cardiff City Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Brighton Points SELL64.5 - 66.5BUY Blackpool Points SELL62 - 64BUY Millwall Points SELL58 - 60BUY Portsmouth Points SELL57 - 59BUY Bristol City Points SELL56.5 - 58.5BUY Derby Points SELL55 - 57BUY Crystal Palace Points SELL53 - 55BUY Peterborough Points SELL52 - 54BUY Watford Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Doncaster Points SELL51.5 - 53.5BUY Barnsley Points SELL51 - 53BUY Coventry City Points SELL50.5 - 52.5BUY (You sell if you think the result will be less than the prediction, you buy if you think a team will gain more) On the whole, I think this is a pretty fair summing up. Can anyone spot any value?? I think we may be quoted a little on the high side but will not bet against my team. Brum and Pompey look overrated. palace could be the surprise team. Last season under Dougie Freeman they recovered well from the mess that Burley had created. I do not expect them to be champions but I think they will get more than 55 points. After the event this is the best prediction by far! Can't go to wrong with bookies (those that go wrong to often are not around to take any more bets unlike newspaper reporters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 I also think Saints are a bit overated on those spreads. I'd say the value is to buy Hull and definitely Ipswich and sell Reading.[/QUOT Hope you didn't buy Ipswich and sell Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 Sean Dyche's 64 points with Watford is probably the managerial achievement of the season in the Champtionship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 If we want to keep Lallana, Chamberlain, De Ridder, Cork and Fonte beyond next year, we had better be promoted. The "baby steps" method simply won't work. We need to make giant strides and we need to make them pretty fast because if we don't, we'll lose the only Premier League quality players we have - and will only be able to afford to replace them with average Championship ones. You can never "go up too quickly" to the Premier League. Whatever happens, even relegation, we'd be £60m better off and in a better position to roll with the punches post-relegation and launch an immediate fightback. The longer we stay in one place and 'establish' ourselves, the more we'll stagnate and lose any players of significant ability and value. So, for those reasons alone - I hope we prove the critics wrong and gain promotion by any means necessary this year. I don't expect it, but I sure as hell hope for it. Thank f()ck for that! We can keep our players! (Well, not Chambo but still) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 Sean Dyche's 64 points with Watford is probably the managerial achievement of the season in the Champtionship... Hell of an effort, that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 Thank f()ck for that! We can keep our players! (Well, not Chambo but still) You were spot on with that post. Although I don't think we'd have had much trouble hanging onto SDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 29 April, 2012 Share Posted 29 April, 2012 skateville are dark horses, with stability off the pitch and a talented, experienced manager in Steve Cotterill Thats not a reasonable comment of the guardian to make Massive lol with the guardian's prediction for the skates!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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