Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 ....according to the latest composite odds from the bookies.West Ham Leicester Nottingham Forest Birmingham Middlesbrough Reading Southampton Blackpool Cardiff Leeds Brighton Ipswich Burnley Hull City Portsmouth Derby Bristol City Millwall Watford Crystal Palace Peterborough Coventry Barnsley Doncaster So, after watching the pre-season performances, my wagers will be: Saints to win the Championship at 16:1, (a la Norwich) - a dead Brazilian Saints to get promoted at 5:1 - a monkey Coterill (second favourite) to be the first manager to get the sack at 6:1 - a pony I will thus be collecting £2800 at the end of the season, which will easily finance a suitable celebration, at a five star hotel in London, for the weekend.... Don't say you weren't told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Birmingham will soon be sliding down that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Bookies have birmingham as 4th when they know they are bankrupt and will have to sell key players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 (edited) Bookies have birmingham as 4th when they know they are bankrupt and will have to sell key players? Odds are based on the money the bookies have taken on them from punters since the market opened very early in the summer. Not necessarily the bookies view of the Championship as things stand right now. Sometimes it takes a while for odds to change after events like the news concerning Birmingham's money problems, especially if a lot of money has already been placed on them to win the league and the selling hasn't yet started. Edited 28 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Bookies have birmingham as 4th when they know they are bankrupt and will have to sell key players? Birmingham are also 16:1 to win the Championship and 4:1 to get relegated???? We are 16:1 to get relegated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Odds are based on the money the bookies have taken on them from punters since the market opened very early in the summer. Not necessarily the bookies view of the Championship as things stand right now. Sometimes it takes a while for odds to change after events like the news concerning Birmingham's money problems. That's why we should be piling into Saints, at the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Personally I don't think Leicester will be top two. Clearly they're spending big and bringing in some top players but I don't know if they will have the consistancy to finish 2nd; they're putting more or less an entirely new team together. Can see them winning some games by massive scores then losing other perceived easier games. They'll be 4th or 5th IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 PS 'a la Norwich' would be finishing 2nd, not winning the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I can't us finnishing that high up. I hope i'm wrong but I can see the team we've got finishing around 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 (edited) I can't us finnishing that high up. I hope i'm wrong but I can see the team we've got finishing around 15th. Why do you think the Championship will be so much of a step up? 14 teams better than Saints? Norwich, Leeds and Millwall all finished in the top 8 in their first season after promotion. None of them have the budget Saints do. Saints have outspent the majority of Championship teams since the summer of 2009. Of course money is no guarantee of success, but it helps usually. Edited 28 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Would be gutted if we finished one place outside the play offs again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKimish Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 The only place worse than 7th is the relegation zone IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 as long as we finish above Barnsley ill be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLT's Headed Goals Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Leicester just signed Michael Johnson, shrewd move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Odds are based on the money the bookies have taken on them from punters since the market opened very early in the summer. Almost, unless you think the bookies opened the market with everyone at 24/1 for promotion? The market is based on a predicted table, with fluctuations taken place determined, in some part, by wagers placed on the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Leicester just signed Michael Johnson' date=' shrewd move![/quote'] Is it though, played 4 games in 2 n half years ? I know he was highly rated when Sven was at City, but he's hardly had much match time. Didn't he get crocked for a few seasons on and off as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Out of interest where did the bookies place us in the league this time last year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Out of interest where did the bookies place us in the league this time last year ? Many of them had us favourites to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Dead Brazilian - I assume that is Ayrton Senna (tenner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Dead Brazilian - I assume that is Ayrton Senna (tenner) Word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Word... You alright John??????? You sound like the teenagers in our cricket team!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Out of interest where did the bookies place us in the league this time last year ? Top 2 minimum. It would seem they have a better handle on it than yourself who bleated on all season about how we were going to lose in the play offs. So, to conclude, you're a trolling c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2011 You alright John??????? You sound like the teenagers in our cricket team!!!!!! Sick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Can anyone tell me where Leicester got all their money? Are they stable or at risk financially, last time I tuned into them they had Mandaric and he was getting ready for the courts, what have I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Sick... Flu or viral sh!t that's going around?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Can anyone tell me where Leicester got all their money? Are they stable or at risk financially, last time I tuned into them they had Mandaric and he was getting ready for the courts, what have I missed? Milan Mandaric sold Leicester City in August 2010 and he brought Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010. Leicester City are now owned by Thai multi millionaire Vichai Raksriaksorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Can anyone tell me where Leicester got all their money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I think Ipswich will be a lot higher. They will be the surprise team this year given some of their signings. Leicester should be top given their investment. WHU and Birmingham will be the seasons disappointments - mid table for both haha. Having said that, i think the Saints prediction is fair - but with a strong wind behind us we could just scrape the playoffs and who knows what would happen then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I think Ipswich will be a lot higher. They will be the surprise team this year given some of their signings. Leicester should be top given their investment. WHU and Birmingham will be the seasons disappointments - mid table for both haha. Having said that, i think the Saints prediction is fair - but with a strong wind behind us we could just scrape the playoffs and who knows what would happen then!! Agreed; Ipswich 12th? They've made some very shrewd signings, particularly Bowyer and Chopra. I'd expect to see them up there challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 (edited) Leicester City are now owned by Thai multi millionaire Vichai Raksriaksorn. He is only worth £113m, which is not much in the world of football club owners. See here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_club_owners Edited 28 July, 2011 by SaintNeil90 Wealth is 113 not 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Thanks for info about the Thai guy, I'd rather have the Liebherrs, we know how they made their money -good brains producing essential goods-but with those getrichquick types who knows when the crash will come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 28 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Flu or viral sh!t that's going around?? W32/Netsky-P virus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Mr Guided Missile....methinks a more likely reason we should be piling into 16/1 odds on saints is so that you can lay them at a sufficiently tasty price to book that 5 star hotel and weekend promoted champions or not hehehe.....If youve spotted them £1000 at 16/1 then lay them at 10/1 for £1000 you've got more than enough to drink dom perignon out of your gucci loafers for a weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 .........without risking a penny i should have added should we win the league.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Rather than back Saints at 5/1 to get promoted, I'd back them each-way at 16/1 for the title These are 1/4 odds 1st, 2nd, 3rd, meaning we are 4/1 to finish in the top 3 If we finish 2nd you'd have made a bit of money, and have had a good run for your 16/1. Missing out on 1 point for getting promoted won't seem such a big deal If we finish 3rd and the bookies have paid you 4/1 for such an achievement, that 5/1 pre-season for promotion looks a terrible price, because that would make us 1/4 favourites to win the play-offs. Most favourites are 2/1 or 9/4 Ok, so we could finish 4th,5th,6th and win the play-offs, but you'd probably get 3/1 in such circumstances at the time anyway, so once again 5/1 looks a rubbish price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Milan Mandaric sold Leicester City in August 2010 and he brought Sheffield Wednesday in December 2010. Leicester City are now owned by Thai multi millionaire Vichai Raksriaksorn. How long until his assets get frozen like Yeung? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 The only place worse than 7th is the relegation zone IMO I'd quite happily snap up 7th rather than 8th to 21st thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I'd love to see Leicester fail miserably this season. It could all end in tears there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Don't write off Brighton again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I'd quite happily snap up 7th rather than 8th to 21st thanks. I think the point Sam was making is finishing 7th means you just miss out on the play offs which would be frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Don't write off Brighton again. Brighton will walk the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 I think the point Sam was making is finishing 7th means you just miss out on the play offs which would be frustrating. Of course, but I'd take the frustration of missing out on the play-offs to get to that position in the first place. Would be a nice 'problem' to have! Would also arguably be easier to consolidate from there than if we struggle to adapt to the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 The sensible side of me says 'be happy with 7-12 ish. But, the form that we're showing in and these signings that we're making gets me all excited. Shame I can't have a ST this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 wouldn't be stunned with top 4 finish and can be optimistic, somewhere 4th to 9th looks most likely to me with present set up. This league is bit random though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Leicester just signed Michael Johnson' date=' shrewd move![/quote'] terrific 4 app in 3 years very shrewd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 ....according to the latest composite odds from the bookies.West Ham Leicester Nottingham Forest Birmingham Middlesbrough Reading Southampton Blackpool Cardiff Leeds Brighton Ipswich Burnley Hull City Portsmouth Derby Bristol City Millwall Watford Crystal Palace Peterborough Coventry Barnsley Doncaster So, after watching the pre-season performances, my wagers will be: Saints to win the Championship at 16:1, (a la Norwich) - a dead Brazilian Saints to get promoted at 5:1 - a monkey Coterill (second favourite) to be the first manager to get the sack at 6:1 - a pony I will thus be collecting £2800 at the end of the season, which will easily finance a suitable celebration, at a five star hotel in London, for the weekend.... Don't say you weren't told. Based on that list, the value bet absolutely has to be Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 July, 2011 Share Posted 28 July, 2011 Don't disagree with GM. You know he's always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 29 July, 2011 Share Posted 29 July, 2011 Out of interest where did the bookies place us in the league this time last year ? We were generally favourites at about 5/1 or 4/1 (i.e. a 20-25% of winning the league) We were a standard 4/6 to be promoted by any means (i.e. a 60% chance to go up). The bookies seem to have got it about right, but if anything slightly underestimated Saints. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 ....according to the latest composite odds from the bookies.West Ham Leicester Nottingham Forest Birmingham Middlesbrough Reading Southampton Blackpool Cardiff Leeds Brighton Ipswich Burnley Hull City Portsmouth Derby Bristol City Millwall Watford Crystal Palace Peterborough Coventry Barnsley Doncaster So, after watching the pre-season performances, my wagers will be: Saints to win the Championship at 16:1, (a la Norwich) - a dead Brazilian Saints to get promoted at 5:1 - a monkey Coterill (second favourite) to be the first manager to get the sack at 6:1 - a pony I will thus be collecting £2800 at the end of the season, which will easily finance a suitable celebration, at a five star hotel in London, for the weekend.... Don't say you weren't told. Did you actually do these bets? Who was the 1st Championship manager to get sacked? Coterill wasn't far off. Apart from Forest then this table ain't too far off. The odds on Saints are looking great value. Fair play to all who backed 'em. If Saints do go up then it'll be interesting to see where the bookies place us to finish in the Prem. The handicap bet could be very attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 30 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2011 ....according to the latest composite odds from the bookies.West Ham Leicester Nottingham Forest Birmingham Middlesbrough Reading Southampton Blackpool Cardiff Leeds Brighton Ipswich Burnley Hull City Portsmouth Derby Bristol City Millwall Watford Crystal Palace Peterborough Coventry Barnsley Doncaster So, after watching the pre-season performances, my wagers will be: Saints to win the Championship at 16:1, (a la Norwich) - a dead Brazilian Saints to get promoted at 5:1 - a monkey Coterill (second favourite) to be the first manager to get the sack at 6:1 - a pony I will thus be collecting £2800 at the end of the season, which will easily finance a suitable celebration, at a five star hotel in London, for the weekend.... Don't say you weren't told. I'm getting quite excited, TBF. £2625, if we stay where we are, should provide a weekend to remember for me and a cheap hooker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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