Saints vs WBA - match thread

[Lets B Avenue]

Jean-Claude Vandamme

Patrick Bruel

Justine Henin

Jacky Ickx

Eddy Merkx

 

 

all famous belgians

 

Dont forget The Singing Nun.

[PhilippineSaint]

How can you be surrounded by two?

 

In a Thai Tag Team of course

[Wes Tender]

In a Thai Tag Team of course

 

That isn't surrounded; that's sandwiched.

[Dalek2003]

The trouble with goalkeepers is that they thrive on confidence. The more they play at the top and the more clean sheets, the more the confidence grows. Until Bart gets a long run, it will always be a case of self doubt.

[Victor]

Top ten famous belgians

 

Eddy Merckx, five times winner of the Tour de France

Adolphe Sax, inventor of the saxophone

Herge (Georges Remi) , the creator of TinTin

Audrey Hepburn, actress

Plastic Bertrand, punk/rock singer of 'Ca Plane Pour Moi' fame

Peter Paul Rubens, baroque painter

Rene Magritte, surrealist painter

George Lemaitre, astronomer who invented the Big Bang theory

Albert Claude, the first biochemist to isolate a cancer cell

Leo Hendrik Baekeland, the inventor of bakelite

 

 

I had not realised audrey hepburn was a belgian

 

She wasn't. She was born in Belgium, but was British.

[ericofarabia]

Dont forget The Singing Nun.

 

Now this will put a new slant onto Matchday Freds!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsW5UlsH3Jc&feature=related

 

I think this will be a part of my prematch music listening alongside The Saints are Coming (Skids version), Perfect Day (The Saints), You'll Never Walk Alone (Gerry and The Pacemakers) and Oh When The Saints (Louis Armstrong).

[Toomer]

Got to give Adkins credit for leaving Bart on till we scored, Davis was warming up when he cocked up he made a couple of saves to get a bit of confidence back before Adkins made the change.

[trousers]

The trouble with goalkeepers is that they thrive on confidence. The more they play at the top and the more clean sheets, the more the confidence grows. Until Bart gets a long run, it will always be a case of self doubt.

 

Everytime the ball was passed back to him last night he always seemed unsure what to do with it and never looked like he was in a comfort zone. As you say, that's probably more to do with confidence than anything else.

[trousers]

Got to give Adkins credit for leaving Bart on till we scored, Davis was warming up when he cocked up he made a couple of saves to get a bit of confidence back before Adkins made the change.

 

yep, good move by Adkins. He also heartily clapped Bart as he came off which resulted in a big appreciative grin from the keeper. Good sports psychiatry all round from our Nige.

[Verbal]

yep, good move by Adkins. He also heartily clapped Bart as he came off which resulted in a big appreciative grin from the keeper. Good sports psychiatry all round from our Nige.

 

I think you mean psychology, trousers - unless the fumble was the result of the sudden onset of a new form of football-related mental illness.

[trousers]

I think you mean psychology, trousers - unless the fumble was the result of the sudden onset of a new form of football-related mental illness.

 

Hmm....good spot....however, let me consult with Mr Freud first before I correct my slip...

[trousers]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10280~2403694,00.html

[lotois-saint]

She wasn't. She was born in Belgium, but was British.

 

A few more famous Belgians:

 

Jacques Brel - composer/singer

Georges Simenon - Author of the Maigret novels

James Ensor - Expressionist painter

Victor Horta - pioneerining 'art nouveau' architect

Paul Delvaux - surrealist painter

[trousers]

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10366~2403750,00.html

[eastleighhalo]

Bart - messed up big time with a routine catch.. and he knew it 5

Frazer- solid performance.. liked him a lot 8

 

Jose- his normal assured performance 8

Seaborne- his best game for Saints so far 8

Danny H - a confident display...defending and going forward 8

Oxo- Got clattered a couple of times- looked v sharp however will need to release the ball a little earlier at this higher level. 7

Skipper- terrific leadership ....kept the side ticking over and full of running 8

Chappers - non stop effort in breaking up WBA play 8

Adam - Glimpses of brilliance early in the game ..marked tightly and quite anonimous in the 2nd half 7

Conners- 90 mins !! ... very intelligent footballer 8

Guly - The crafty Brazilian alongside Conners didnt quite work ,,,not a natural target man. 7

Stevie- Absolulute class ...fabulous signing 9

Morgan- Oozed quality .. stretched play well 9

Jack- quality header for his goal ..showed some lovely touches 9

Butters- Linked well with Stevie straight away.. pinpoint cross for Rickies goal 8

Rickie - Did not look at the races at all when he came on..fluffed his lines a couple of times when much better was expected...then scored! 7

 

In Summary : We played very well throughout the game and but for basic lapses in concentration from Bart and Aaron we could have won the game against a well organised WBA side. Our midfield appeared to be much better than theirs and we controlled large parts of the game however it was the final third that we seemed to lack a cutting edge. Despite all our possesion we didnt create clear chances or have too many shots on goal that troubled their keeper although it must be said that both our goals were well taken ( albeit from long crosses).

Stevie was superb when he came on ( did anyone notice that he punched the air with delight when he came onto the pitch to replace Oxo?) ...while all those that played a part in our midfield domination should recieves special plaudits... Nigel certainly has some tough decisions to make in that department.

FWIW I think we still need a big, strong and quick target man and a central defender.. tho if Seaborne plays consistently as well as he did last night then we will be ok .. AND he will get better with a run in the side im sure .

Aarron - Looked shaky ...needs games desperately on loan.. will definately improve 6

Super Kelv- no chance with the goal he let in... assured 7

[saint_stevo]

Bart - messed up big time with a routine catch.. and he knew it 5

Frazer- solid performance.. liked him a lot 8

 

Jose- his normal assured performance 8

Seaborne- his best game for Saints so far 8

Danny H - a confident display...defending and going forward 8

Oxo- Got clattered a couple of times- looked v sharp however will need to release the ball a little earlier at this higher level. 7

Skipper- terrific leadership ....kept the side ticking over and full of running 8

Chappers - non stop effort in breaking up WBA play 8

Adam - Glimpses of brilliance early in the game ..marked tightly and quite anonimous in the 2nd half 7

Conners- 90 mins !! ... very intelligent footballer 8

Guly - The crafty Brazilian alongside Conners didnt quite work ,,,not a natural target man. 7

Stevie- Absolulute class ...fabulous signing 9

Morgan- Oozed quality .. stretched play well 9

Jack- quality header for his goal ..showed some lovely touches 9

Butters- Linked well with Stevie straight away.. pinpoint cross for Rickies goal 8

Rickie - Did not look at the races at all when he came on..fluffed his lines a couple of times when much better was expected...then scored! 7

 

In Summary : We played very well throughout the game and but for basic lapses in concentration from Bart and Aaron we could have won the game against a well organised WBA side. Our midfield appeared to be much better than theirs and we controlled large parts of the game however it was the final third that we seemed to lack a cutting edge. Despite all our possesion we didnt create clear chances or have too many shots on goal that troubled their keeper although it must be said that both our goals were well taken ( albeit from long crosses).

Stevie was superb when he came on ( did anyone notice that he punched the air with delight when he came onto the pitch to replace Oxo?) ...while all those that played a part in our midfield domination should recieves special plaudits... Nigel certainly has some tough decisions to make in that department.

FWIW I think we still need a big, strong and quick target man and a central defender.. tho if Seaborne plays consistently as well as he did last night then we will be ok .. AND he will get better with a run in the side im sure .

Aarron - Looked shaky ...needs games desperately on loan.. will definately improve 6

Super Kelv- no chance with the goal he let in... assured 7

 

Take 1 from everyone's score and probably be about right IMO.....not sure someone is a fabulous signing after 46mins but was encouraging

[trousers]

Caption competition....

 

[SaintRichmond]

Brief observations

 

Bart - Terrible mistake, terrible time to do it when he was trying for No 1spot

 

De Ridder - Class Act, but the rest of the Team must hone in on the way he plays - he was mentally way ahead of some

 

Seabourne - Gave One goal away, nearly gave another, and was sadly lacking on many occasions. What the hell does Adkins see in him, or, to put it another way :-

 

Seabourne, you are the weakest link ...... Goodbye

 

Overall, a good showing for a New CCC Team v's a Prem one

 

Hopefully, Jemal and Maynard will be icing on the cake

[SaintRichmond]

A few more famous Belgians:

 

Jacques Brel - composer/singer

Georges Simenon - Author of the Maigret novels

James Ensor - Expressionist painter

Victor Horta - pioneerining 'art nouveau' architect

Paul Delvaux - surrealist painter

 

You forgot Hercule Poirot .....

[The Kraken]

[Victor]

A little tip for you guys - the OS says "the shares were spoiled" because of the 2-2 result. Didn't know you could buy shares in Saints but obviously today's a good time to buy.

[S-Clarke]

 

Seabourne, you are the weakest link ...... Goodbye

 

 

He really wasn't. He's a bit inconsistent, but I thought he was really good last night and showed some great composure. Gives us nice balance too.

[alpine_saint]

Bart - messed up big time with a routine catch.. and he knew it 5

Frazer- solid performance.. liked him a lot 8

 

Jose- his normal assured performance 8

Seaborne- his best game for Saints so far 8

Danny H - a confident display...defending and going forward 8

Oxo- Got clattered a couple of times- looked v sharp however will need to release the ball a little earlier at this higher level. 7

Skipper- terrific leadership ....kept the side ticking over and full of running 8

Chappers - non stop effort in breaking up WBA play 8

Adam - Glimpses of brilliance early in the game ..marked tightly and quite anonimous in the 2nd half 7

Conners- 90 mins !! ... very intelligent footballer 8

Guly - The crafty Brazilian alongside Conners didnt quite work ,,,not a natural target man. 7

Stevie- Absolulute class ...fabulous signing 9

Morgan- Oozed quality .. stretched play well 9

Jack- quality header for his goal ..showed some lovely touches 9

Butters- Linked well with Stevie straight away.. pinpoint cross for Rickies goal 8

Rickie - Did not look at the races at all when he came on..fluffed his lines a couple of times when much better was expected...then scored! 7

 

In Summary : We played very well throughout the game and but for basic lapses in concentration from Bart and Aaron we could have won the game against a well organised WBA side. Our midfield appeared to be much better than theirs and we controlled large parts of the game however it was the final third that we seemed to lack a cutting edge. Despite all our possesion we didnt create clear chances or have too many shots on goal that troubled their keeper although it must be said that both our goals were well taken ( albeit from long crosses).

Stevie was superb when he came on ( did anyone notice that he punched the air with delight when he came onto the pitch to replace Oxo?) ...while all those that played a part in our midfield domination should recieves special plaudits... Nigel certainly has some tough decisions to make in that department.

FWIW I think we still need a big, strong and quick target man and a central defender.. tho if Seaborne plays consistently as well as he did last night then we will be ok .. AND he will get better with a run in the side im sure .

Aarron - Looked shaky ...needs games desperately on loan.. will definately improve 6

Super Kelv- no chance with the goal he let in... assured 7

 

Thanks for the detailled summary. Sounds like a good night, though with some minor concerns about Bart, Seaborne and AOCs injury.

[alpine_saint]

A little tip for you guys - the OS says "the shares were spoiled" because of the 2-2 result. Didn't know you could buy shares in Saints but obviously today's a good time to buy.

 

FFS, Dont tell Woopert.

 

EDIT: Forget it, no danger, he doesnt like paying for shares.

[SaintRichmond]

He really wasn't. He's a bit inconsistent, but I thought he was really good last night and showed some great composure. Gives us nice balance too.

 

 

The magic of Football, Two people watching the same match and getting different takes on it

 

As I said, IMHO, he gave away one goal, very nearly gave another, and was caught out too many times

 

( Either that or the New lager is better than I thought )

[NickG]

didn't think Seaborne had his best game.

 

best thing for me was how we kept possession - although lacking goal threat at times in first half

[PokingFun]

I still find it astonishing that so many think Bart is the better keeper yet every manager has picked Kelvin over Bart .....

[Window Cleaner]

A little tip for you guys - the OS says "the shares were spoiled" because of the 2-2 result. Didn't know you could buy shares in Saints but obviously today's a good time to buy.

 

can't really believe they got that the wrong way round unintentionally, if they did what a moron.Just like sewing seeds and stirling work of late.

[Verbal]

I still find it astonishing that so many think Bart is the better keeper yet every manager has picked Kelvin over Bart .....

 

They don't know as much as we do.

[Lighthouse]

All round I would chose Davis. Bart's is OK, but the mistake tonight was an extremely poor and fundamental error for a goalie which left me with concerns over his handling - OK it was just once, but it was the nature of the error.

 

I could have said that about a dosen times about Davis last season.

[SaintNeil90]

Bart - messed up big time with a routine catch.. and he knew it 5

Frazer- solid performance.. liked him a lot 8

 

Jose- his normal assured performance 8

Seaborne- his best game for Saints so far 8

Danny H - a confident display...defending and going forward 8

Oxo- Got clattered a couple of times- looked v sharp however will need to release the ball a little earlier at this higher level. 7

Skipper- terrific leadership ....kept the side ticking over and full of running 8

Chappers - non stop effort in breaking up WBA play 8

Adam - Glimpses of brilliance early in the game ..marked tightly and quite anonimous in the 2nd half 7

Conners- 90 mins !! ... very intelligent footballer 8

Guly - The crafty Brazilian alongside Conners didnt quite work ,,,not a natural target man. 7

Stevie- Absolulute class ...fabulous signing 9

Morgan- Oozed quality .. stretched play well 9

Jack- quality header for his goal ..showed some lovely touches 9

Butters- Linked well with Stevie straight away.. pinpoint cross for Rickies goal 8

Rickie - Did not look at the races at all when he came on..fluffed his lines a couple of times when much better was expected...then scored! 7

 

In Summary : We played very well throughout the game and but for basic lapses in concentration from Bart and Aaron we could have won the game against a well organised WBA side. Our midfield appeared to be much better than theirs and we controlled large parts of the game however it was the final third that we seemed to lack a cutting edge. Despite all our possesion we didnt create clear chances or have too many shots on goal that troubled their keeper although it must be said that both our goals were well taken ( albeit from long crosses).

Stevie was superb when he came on ( did anyone notice that he punched the air with delight when he came onto the pitch to replace Oxo?) ...while all those that played a part in our midfield domination should recieves special plaudits... Nigel certainly has some tough decisions to make in that department.

FWIW I think we still need a big, strong and quick target man and a central defender.. tho if Seaborne plays consistently as well as he did last night then we will be ok .. AND he will get better with a run in the side im sure .

Aarron - Looked shaky ...needs games desperately on loan.. will definately improve 6

Super Kelv- no chance with the goal he let in... assured 7

 

Bit over the top! It was a good performance by everyone but not that good. I agree with Saint Stevo, probably knock 1 off a few.

 

Bart doesnt deserve 5 just for that mistake, he made some good saves. I would still go with Davis for now.

Connolly has brilliant movement but so manys times he could have kept the tempo going by playing a quick pass but chose to wait and look for other options which results in WBA players getting back and the pace slowing down.

 

I think we need a skillful, pacey striker. We didnt really threaten up front until Rickie came on.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by hypochondriac

Cross came in and he dropped it.

But, but, but...

 

KD can't command his area and Bart is amazing...

 

Seriously, that vote on the Bart/KD poll displays an embarrassing level of ignorance amongst our fans.

 

And the main reason for that is many Saints fans don't have confidence in Kelvin, not that they think Bart is necessarily the answer. You really have to be dense if you can't pick that up, even when clearly stated. Kelvin is a poor Championship goalie from everything he has shown previously. Richard Wright was by no means an outstanding goalkeeper until you put him in comparison with Kelvin. Then it was so obvious to not even get a squeak of opposition to whom should be in goal. All goalies have different strengths and weaknesses, but Kelvins inability to command the 6 yard box is the most costly IMO in the Championship, as so ably demonstrated by Richard Wright.

[derry]

Richardson gave the ball away regularly which is inexcusable, his crossing is just a punt into the box making no effort to pick out an attacker, he is a better defender than Butterfield but Butterfield is a far better footballer.

 

De Ridder was excellent and is a very intelligent footballer whose crosses and running caused WBA to try and double mark him, mostly unsuccessfully. His positioning was spot on as opposed to the very naive Chamberlain who didn't seem to know when to come inside or stay on the line. Chamberlain is direct and for his age brilliant but for me he shouldn't get a game if De Ridder is fit.

 

I didn't think it would work but I thought the best midfield pairing was Cork and Schneiderlin who didn't give the ball away, whilst Fonte and Seabourne shut WBA out. Lallana could get a lot of goals if he plays to De Ridder and loiters on the left corner of the penalty area for the cross or cutback. Bart was pretty reasonable apart from the dropped cross and deserves more chances.

 

Adkins seems to have settled on a passing game with wide players, playing from the back, therefore anybody who gives the ball away won't be a regular starter.

[benjii]

And the main reason for that is many Saints fans don't have confidence in Kelvin, not that they think Bart is necessarily the answer. You really have to be dense if you can't pick that up, even when clearly stated. Kelvin is a poor Championship goalie from everything he has shown previously. Richard Wright was by no means an outstanding goalkeeper until you put him in comparison with Kelvin. Then it was so obvious to not even get a squeak of opposition to whom should be in goal. All goalies have different strengths and weaknesses, but Kelvins inability to command the 6 yard box is the most costly IMO in the Championship, as so ably demonstrated by Richard Wright.

 

Richard Wright wad a highly rated goalie who had been capped.

 

If you doubt Kelvin's ability in the Champ you are a plum.

[trousers]

Richardson gave the ball away regularly which is inexcusable, his crossing is just a punt into the box making no effort to pick out an attacker, he is a better defender than Butterfield but Butterfield is a far better footballer.

 

De Ridder was excellent and is a very intelligent footballer whose crosses and running caused WBA to try and double mark him, mostly unsuccessfully. His positioning was spot on as opposed to the very naive Chamberlain who didn't seem to know when to come inside or stay on the line. Chamberlain is direct and for his age brilliant but for me he shouldn't get a game if De Ridder is fit.

 

I didn't think it would work but I thought the best midfield pairing was Cork and Schneiderlin who didn't give the ball away, whilst Fonte and Seabourne shut WBA out. Lallana could get a lot of goals if he plays to De Ridder and loiters on the left corner of the penalty area for the cross or cutback. Bart was pretty reasonable apart from the dropped cross and deserves more chances.

 

Adkins seems to have settled on a passing game with wide players, playing from the back, therefore anybody who gives the ball away won't be a regular starter.

 

Pretty much sums it up for me. Cheers.

[The Kraken]

Richard Wright wad a highly rated goalie who had been capped.

 

If you doubt Kelvin's ability in the Champ you are a plum.

 

I think you're the plum if you can't even remember that Davis has previously looked very shaky at times in the Championship. It's why he (regrettably) used to get a fair amount of stick from the fans. Sheffield Wednesday away, I believe, being a point in case where he gave a bit back to the fans who had been giving him stick. A number of home games too when he used to get pelters and gave a bit back.

 

His game has moved on from the early days with us and I think he's a better keeper now than then, but it's a bit naive to completely obliterate all that from your memory.

 

Edit: Here you go, the match report.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-493062/Saint-Davis-shamed-named-Owls-run-riot.html

 

"Davis was at fault for at least three Sheffield Wednesday goals in this hammering at Hillsborough.....

Edited 28 July, 2011 by The Kraken

[Horley CTFC Saint]

Top ten famous belgians

 

Eddy Merckx, five times winner of the Tour de France

Adolphe Sax, inventor of the saxophone

Herge (Georges Remi) , the creator of TinTin

Audrey Hepburn, actress

Plastic Bertrand, punk/rock singer of 'Ca Plane Pour Moi' fame

Peter Paul Rubens, baroque painter

Rene Magritte, surrealist painter

George Lemaitre, astronomer who invented the Big Bang theory

Albert Claude, the first biochemist to isolate a cancer cell

Leo Hendrik Baekeland, the inventor of bakelite

 

 

I had not realised audrey hepburn was a belgian

 

Georges Simenon

Wouter Weylandt RIP

[Village Saint]

I think you're the plum if you can't even remember that Davis has previously looked very shaky at times in the Championship. It's why he (regrettably) used to get a fair amount of stick from the fans. Sheffield Wednesday away, I believe, being a point in case where he gave a bit back to the fans who had been giving him stick. A number of home games too when he used to get pelters and gave a bit back.

 

His game has moved on from the early days with us and I think he's a better keeper now than then, but it's a bit naive to completely obliterate all that from your memory.

 

Edit: Here you go, the match report.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-493062/Saint-Davis-shamed-named-Owls-run-riot.html

 

"Davis was at fault for at least three Sheffield Wednesday goals in this hammering at Hillsborough.....

 

The last time we were in the Championship Kelvin was one of the best keepers in it. He was also excellent throughout last season. Of course he is not perfect and yes amazingly enough he does make errors but that's why he isn't playing at a higher level. Its hardly rocket science.

[doddisalegend]

Top ten famous belgians

 

Eddy Merckx, five times winner of the Tour de France

Adolphe Sax, inventor of the saxophone

Herge (Georges Remi) , the creator of TinTin

Audrey Hepburn, actress

Plastic Bertrand, punk/rock singer of 'Ca Plane Pour Moi' fame

Peter Paul Rubens, baroque painter

Rene Magritte, surrealist painter

George Lemaitre, astronomer who invented the Big Bang theory

Albert Claude, the first biochemist to isolate a cancer cell

Leo Hendrik Baekeland, the inventor of bakelite

 

 

I had not realised audrey hepburn was a belgian

 

Don't forget king Leopold II of Belgium rapist of the Congo...

[captainchris]

Benji I agree that is rubbish adrian. Last season in the champ was davis best season for us and he was player of the season. Do youre research!

 

This post is does not refer to anything factual at all - what reseach? Davis or Bart is purely a matter if opinion and I'm in the Bart camp. Bart is slightly quicker on his feet and slightly more commanding in his area. He has always done well for us when put in. Mistakes - all goal keepers make em now and then and certainly Davis is not immume to this symptom by any means........indeed Davis weaknesses at his near post and low shots even quite weak ones he is slow to get down to. Your loyalties are not factual they are opinion like mine and the posters....

[The Kraken]

The last time we were in the Championship Kelvin was one of the best keepers in it. He was also excellent throughout last season. Of course he is not perfect and yes amazingly enough he does make errors but that's why he isn't playing at a higher level. Its hardly rocket science.

 

It'd hardly rocket science, no. So I guess I must have been completely imagining the amount of criticism that he got from his own fans, was I? And if he was one of the best keepers in the division, why did he not play instead of Richard Wright, who we brought in?

 

Kelvin has very much improved as a keeper, as I've said. But let's not re-write history, he came in for a lot of criticism for his performances over an extended period of time in the Championship.

[farawaysaint]

It'd hardly rocket science, no. So I guess I must have been completely imagining the amount of criticism that he got from his own fans, was I? And if he was one of the best keepers in the division, why did he not play instead of Richard Wright, who we brought in?

 

Kelvin has very much improved as a keeper, as I've said. But let's not re-write history, he came in for a lot of criticism for his performances over an extended period of time in the Championship.

 

First season in the Championship he got a lot of deserved stick. You have to admit surely though that in our relegation season he was phenomenal? Player of the season if I recall right, (watch me be wrong )

[View From The Top]

KD is an excellent keeper but is suspect at the near post.

[The Kraken]

First season in the Championship he got a lot of deserved stick. You have to admit surely though that in our relegation season he was phenomenal? Player of the season if I recall right, (watch me be wrong )

 

See above, I've said a few times that he improved from his early spells with us. I think he's been excellent over the past 2 years in particular. But the fact remains, he's had 2 seasons with us in teh Championship, one where we has very poor and one where we has very good. So, with that in mind, it's a bit ridiculous to say something like "if you doubt his ability in the Championship you're a plum".

[H]

a lot of mixed opinions coming in about Seaborne?

 

I'm not his biggest fan but I think a lot of the bad press Seaborne gets on here is unwarranted. I know this won't be popular but in my opinion he is more than adequate back up in this league and I'd rather have him on the bench than Jaidi (who regularly scares me to death yet seems to be able to do no wrong round here!).

 

I agree with Derry's assessment of Richardson last night ... doesn't fit in with our passing game and really didn't look up to it for me (8/10 ... really???).

[up and away]

Originally Posted by farawaysaint

First season in the Championship he got a lot of deserved stick. You have to admit surely though that in our relegation season he was phenomenal? Player of the season if I recall right, (watch me be wrong )

See above, I've said a few times that he improved from his early spells with us. I think he's been excellent over the past 2 years in particular. But the fact remains, he's had 2 seasons with us in teh Championship, one where we has very poor and one where we has very good. So, with that in mind, it's a bit ridiculous to say something like "if you doubt his ability in the Championship you're a plum".

 

I never felt Kelvin was good in the Championship, but I accept that not great a blame should be placed upon him in our relegation season. In League 1 he has been good but I kept seeing too many occasions where he was arguing with the back four over responsibility for certain balls, a constant theme for Kelvin even when in a dominant side. Go back and look at the shouting matches Baird had with Kelvin to accentuate that point.

 

Let's remind us of the problems we had in the Championship where Kelvin was forced by management to come off his line and collect. That never worked so we went back to Kelvin rooted to his line and the defence having to work around that premise. This is Kelvins big weakness and unfortunately the Championship seems to be the worst league for exposing that. Every opposition knew this and I doubt they have forgotten and would target this weakness to magnify his predicament. I never rated Wright that highly when he came to us, something I said at the time and subsequently borne out. But Wrights command of the 6 yard box hid his other weaknesses to highlight the need in the Championship for control of that 6 yard box.

 

I hope Kelvin has sorted himself out and I would be very happy if that came about because he has been very loyal. I am just not convinced as yet but still happy he has been given a new contract. On he plus side he has saved penalties in League 1, where normally he would be flat on his back before the ball got to the line in the Championship.

[Matthew Le God]

Nigel Adkins post match interview...

 

http://audioboo.fm/boos/424232-nigel-adkins-post-match-reflections-after-west-brom

[farawaysaint]

See above, I've said a few times that he improved from his early spells with us. I think he's been excellent over the past 2 years in particular. But the fact remains, he's had 2 seasons with us in teh Championship, one where we has very poor and one where we has very good. So, with that in mind, it's a bit ridiculous to say something like "if you doubt his ability in the Championship you're a plum".

 

I really am not attacking you here but he also won championship goalie of the year while at Ipswich followed admittedly by a torrid year with Sunderland in the prem, my point simply being that he has his good years and bad years like any player. He is however very experienced at this level and will know what is required of him and what to expect.

[The Kraken]

I really am not attacking you here but he also won championship goalie of the year while at Ipswich followed admittedly by a torrid year with Sunderland in the prem, my point simply being that he has his good years and bad years like any player. He is however very experienced at this level and will know what is required of him and what to expect.

I'm not denying any that. I was simply pointing out the pure folly of another poster claiming "if you doubt Kelvin's ability in the Championship you are a plum".

 

As you say, he has had good years, and he has had bad years. So there are clearly grounds for concern that he may struggle in this league. On the other hand he may well excell. We will see, but in the meantime it's idiotic to throw around accusations such as the one I've highlighted.

[OVER THE HILL]

 

I agree with Derry's assessment of Richardson last night ... doesn't fit in with our passing game and really didn't look up to it for me (8/10 ... really???).

 

Agree with this ,Richardson easily the worst player for us and has been a big disappointment since he joined us - no pace or awareness and crossing terrible.