Saint J 77 Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Very solid Saints performance. De Ridder looks a great prospect Agreed, sounds like there is a lot to be hopeful about this season!
The Kraken Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Very solid Saints performance. De Ridder looks a great prospect I imagine he and Lambert will get a decent run-out in the game, I'm assuming with RL up top with Barney. Could be interesting. Wouldn't fancy NA's job in deciding who to start with for Leeds, it's quite up in the air right now.
Brussels Saint Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Very solid Saints performance. De Ridder looks a great prospect Good to hear my Ajax Supporting Dutch workmates were not winding me up about De Ridder being pretty decent. Encouraging start it seems.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Cross came in and he dropped it. But, but, but... KD can't command his area and Bart is amazing... Seriously, that vote on the Bart/KD poll displays an embarrassing level of ignorance amongst our fans.
Colinjb Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 I imagine he and Lambert will get a decent run-out in the game, I'm assuming with RL up top with Barney. Could be interesting. Wouldn't fancy NA's job in deciding who to start with for Leeds, it's quite up in the air right now. I wouldn't drop Connolly on the basis of tonight. Was quite useful.
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Hercule poirot Jean-Claude Vandamme Patrick Bruel Justine Henin Jacky Ickx Eddy Merkx all famous belgians Johnny Haliday was a belgian, then he became French, then he tried to become Belgian again so that he could be a tax exile in Monaco (the French can't) I knew a Belgian girl once, must be famous as the best BJ giver ever. Good to have midweek football again isn't it.
Prince Jazzbo Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Jean-Claude Vandamme Patrick Bruel Justine Henin Jacky Ickx Eddy Merkx all famous belgians Johnny Haliday was a belgian, then he became French, then he tried to become Belgian again so that he could be a tax exile in Monaco (the French can't) Plastic Bertrand
The Kraken Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 I wouldn't drop Connolly on the basis of tonight. Was quite useful. I'm only looking at the next pre-season game; Barney hasn't really had a massive amount of game time, and Connolly got the whole 90 tonight (as did a few others). Jaidi and Dickson got no game time so would expect to see them, Morgan only got a minor run out, Lambert too. If the squad stays as it is I fully expect us to go with Lambert and Connolly against Leeds though.
Jimmy_D Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Really good game to watch. De Ridder was basically making fun of their players and it looks like he already has a great understanding with Butterfield, Cork showed great awareness in the middle. Fonte and Seabourne were solid at the back until Martin came on for Harding and Seabourne was pushed out to left back, looked like they caught us while Martin was still cold. We certainly didn't look like we were against a better team tonight. Doesn't feel like Oxo is going anywhere as if he was we wouldn't be playing him in a pre season friendly, after all he might have, uh, got injured...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 But, but, but... KD can't command his area and Bart is amazing... Seriously, that vote on the Bart/KD poll displays an embarrassing level of ignorance amongst our fans. Too right but dont be too hard on yourself the rest of us are not bad judges really you will get it right one day- because of course Kelvin has never ever made a mistake. If you had compared the two on Saturday you would see why some were calling for Bart.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Too right but dont be too hard on yourself the rest of us are not bad judges really you will get it right one day- because of course Kelvin has never ever made a mistake. If you had compared the two on Saturday you would see why some were calling for Bart. Bart played well. KD did nothing wrong. To suggest dropping one of our best players over the last three years on the basis of a 45 minute friendly is retarded. Similarly, to even think of dropping KD for Bart is quite retarded.
Colinjb Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 I'm only looking at the next pre-season game. Fair comment. Let's hope Barney can have a good run too.
Over land and sea Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 But, but, but... KD can't command his area and Bart is amazing... Seriously, that vote on the Bart/KD poll displays an embarrassing level of ignorance amongst our fans. No - the majority know what they're talking about according to the latest vote
Redondo Saint Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Eddy Merckx Plastic Bertrand Very very famous Belgians
Give it to Ron Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Bart played well. KD did nothing wrong. To suggest dropping one of our best players over the last three years on the basis of a 45 minute friendly is retarded. Similarly, to even think of dropping KD for Bart is quite retarded. So we never play him in a friendly so he gets match experience....yep retarded! Christ on a bike we do have some beauties....so we had better wrap Kelvin in bubble wrap for the rest of his career.
bpsaint Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Enjoyed that tonight, thought we more than matched them at times and had the best of the play. Tad harsh to lay all the blame on Bart for their goal, Richardson let their attacker come at him at RB, even when their player showed too much of the ball he didn't try to defend it and Bart let the cross slip out of his hands for a tap in. De Ridder was class tonight, definitely looking forward to seeing him in the league when it matters.
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 I thought it was a great game for a pre-season friendly. We played some really good football, patient possession play and WBA couldn't get near us at times. Thought the back 4 of Richardson - Fonte - Seaborne - Harding looked very solid and assured. Total howler from Bart, nothing else to be said about that really. Cross came in and he dropped it into the net. De Ridder looks immense though, he was taking the mick out of them with his step overs, flicks, back hills...and he even had an end product because his crossing was sublime at times (and he had an eye for a pass) Oozed utter class every time he touched the ball and the sort of player that makes you sit up when he's on the ball. Thought Cork was excellent too, he starts for me against Leeds with Hammond (who I also thought was excellent in the FH) Hope Chambo's ok - saw him in the tunnel after the match on crutches, but I guess that's just precautionary.
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 No mention how Lallana played? He was a bit quiet tonight tbh, didn't quite come off for him really. He tried as he always does, but he was well marked tbf and they were very tight to him all game.
Lighthouse Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Bart played well. KD did nothing wrong. To suggest dropping one of our best players over the last three years on the basis of a 45 minute friendly is retarded. Similarly, to even think of dropping KD for Bart is quite retarded. Davis made quite a lot of mistakes at League 1 level last year. He was beaten at his near post an very frustrating number of times and often made a harsh of crosses. I'm not suggesting he should be burned at the stake, or that Bart is God, however the idea of dropping Davis certainly is not retarded. I'd say they are of similar ability at the moment, with Bart's kicking letting him down at times. Personally I'd give Bart a shot as I think he has the youth and therefore potential to become a lot better, whereas 34 year old Davis will not.
Stepgar Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 But, but, but... KD can't command his area and Bart is amazing... Seriously, that vote on the Bart/KD poll displays an embarrassing level of ignorance amongst our fans. Give it a ****ing rest! One error! I am sure KD has made a few in then time he has been here. May be not the same kind but an error that has led to a goal being conceded.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 So we never play him in a friendly so he gets match experience....yep retarded! Christ on a bike we do have some beauties....so we had better wrap Kelvin in bubble wrap for the rest of his career. What on earth are you blabbering about?
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Davis made quite a lot of mistakes at League 1 level last year. He was beaten at his near post an very frustrating number of times and often made a harsh of crosses. I'm not suggesting he should be burned at the stake, or that Bart is God, however the idea of dropping Davis certainly is not retarded. I'd say they are of similar ability at the moment, with Bart's kicking letting him down at times. Personally I'd give Bart a shot as I think he has the youth and therefore potential to become a lot better, whereas 34 year old Davis will not. It is utterly retarded and anyone who thinks there is any merit in the suggestion is talking complete and utter poop!
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Thought the back 4 of Richardson - Fonte - Seaborne - Harding looked very solid and assured. Total howler from Bart, nothing else to be said about that really. Cross came in and he dropped it into the net. Unless we sign a CB, I would go with Seaborne and Fonte in the Leeds game. Seaborne is a decent asset when we dominate possession (which we would certainly hope to do at home) because of his ability on the ball. Still not convinced by Richardson, although he has obvious attributes. Butterfield's delivery gives him the edge IMO.
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Unless we sign a CB, I would go with Seaborne and Fonte in the Leeds game. Seaborne is a decent asset when we dominate possession (which we would certainly hope to do at home) because of his ability on the ball. Still not convinced by Richardson, although he has obvious attributes. Butterfield's delivery gives him the edge IMO. Both RB's are pretty evenly matched tbh, will be a tough call for NA. Agree with Seaborne, he's impressed me in pre-season (against Bremen and today).
Scudamore Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Page after page of football fans talking about famous Belgians and no mention of Jean-Marc Bosman?
Give it to Ron Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 What on earth are you blabbering about? Blabbering , retarded....I think Ill bow to your superior wisdom and intelligence.....
Verbal Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Page after page of football fans talking about famous Belgians and no mention of Jean-Marc Bosman? Plastic Bertrand's legacy is more lasting.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Blabbering , retarded....I think Ill bow to your superior wisdom and intelligence..... Probably some merit in that approach.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 De Ridder - top class. Cork - really good. Seaborne - surprisingly OK. Martin - not ready (and may never be at this level or higher). Overall, we dominated possession throughout, but until De Ridder and Butterfield came on, we struggled to create too many real chances. These are my highlights. I would hope for the following team to start against Leeds.... ..................... Davis Butterfield Fonte Jaidi (or Seaborne) Harding De Ridder Cork Chaplow Lallana --------- Lambert Connolly
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Seaborne is the new boo boy on here but I think he is ok and currently a better player than Martin who needs loaning out to get regular games. Also gives nice left footed balance.
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Bit harsh on Martin CaM - he was just caught a little cold with that ball. Still rate him pretty highly, reckon he'll be a decent champ centre back in time)
K,Billy's supersound Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Really good game to watch. De Ridder was basically making fun of their players and it looks like he already has a great understanding with Butterfield, Cork showed great awareness in the middle. Fonte and Seabourne were solid at the back until Martin came on for Harding and Seabourne was pushed out to left back, looked like they caught us while Martin was still cold. We certainly didn't look like we were against a better team tonight. Doesn't feel like Oxo is going anywhere as if he was we wouldn't be playing him in a pre season friendly, after all he might have, uh, got injured... agree with all the above. for me butterfeild is alot better than frazer and should be our number one rightback, he has more postional sense and can actually cross a ball that beats the first man or isn't along the ground. he also supports better and would help de ridder and oxo to learn more. de ridder for me show's he has the trick's balance and pace to beat 1 or 2 players and get in a great cross, he seem's to have more skill than oxo who i feel just relies purely of his pace in a kick and rush style. fonte was solid as was seaborne utill he was asked to play left back which he can't. bart i'm sorry is just not good enough and we should be looking to bring in a new number 1 this season. hammond and chaplow both played well in first half kept control in midfeild well. guly was quite for me cant play with connolly the way lambert can ie be the out ball, hold it up and lay it off, he is better at being the partner to lambert playing off others. still feel we need another striker with more pace we are to slow up front. overall we played well, looked at times very comfortable and together as a team closing down. after watching them tonight i'm very confident of a mid to top table finished i believe if we bring in another striker 6th might even be possible.
Viking Warrior Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Top ten famous belgians Eddy Merckx, five times winner of the Tour de France Adolphe Sax, inventor of the saxophone Herge (Georges Remi) , the creator of TinTin Audrey Hepburn, actress Plastic Bertrand, punk/rock singer of 'Ca Plane Pour Moi' fame Peter Paul Rubens, baroque painter Rene Magritte, surrealist painter George Lemaitre, astronomer who invented the Big Bang theory Albert Claude, the first biochemist to isolate a cancer cell Leo Hendrik Baekeland, the inventor of bakelite I had not realised audrey hepburn was a belgian
Dazza82 Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Very good game, thought we were in control and both of their goals came against the run of play and two errors. 1st Error: cross came in and slips through Barts hands must of took his eye off the ball. 2nd Error: Martin came out of defence leaving a big gap from Fonte to Seaborne for Cox to get into to score Thought Centre mid was better in 2nd half When Cork came on, who nearly got a goal straight away throwing himself at the ball between defender and keeper, he eventually got his goal later though. Hammond and Chaplow were ok but it was better with Cork and Morgan in the middle. Seaborne Looked better when he went to left back. Connollys movement off the ball was good he had a good first half and unlucky not to score. AOC was having a very good game, had the beating of their Rb and Rm. De ridder had a good game put in some decent crosses. Richardson was poor for me always passing backwards or sideways when a forward pass was on (saw adkins mention this to him during first half too) i would have Butterfield in over him who put in a peach of cross for Lamberts goal, it was also on his left foot. I would say that Martin is not ready for the 1st team on this and we definatly need a new Cb and some pace up front too
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Did you just do that? Yes. I was going to post it on the kit speculation thread but I was scared of causing The9 apoplexy.
The Cat Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Plastic Bertrand's legacy is more lasting. Yep. I wonder if at the time he was aware of the long term consequences his invention would have on the earths eco system.
scotty Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 (edited) Eddy Merckx Plastic Bertrand Very very famous Belgians Who was that idiot off eurotrash, Eddie Wally? Was he belgian? oh, and while Im at it, was plastic bertrands ca plane pour moi the original or was it a copy of jet boy jet girl by the Damned (or vice versa) Edited 27 July, 2011 by scotty
Roger Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 My Marks; Bart 4-Shocking error im sorry was his fault.Davis better for me. Richardson 5-Passing poor. Butterfield better. Fonte 7 Seaborne 5-Dont rate him at all im afraid. Too slow and hasnt a football brain. 2nd goal his fault. Harding 6-Not great. AOC 8- Superb, improved even more. Hammond 7-Good but morgans better for me. Chaplow 6-Okay Lallana 6-Not the best but looked very fit. Connolly 7- Worked hard without achieving loads. Guly 6-Didnt look to put himself out, will when it matters I rate him. Subs; Martin 4-Not ready didnt look great at all. De Ridder 7-Looked very tidy. Morgan 7- Superb use of ball. Takes responsibility. Hit one 70 Yard forward pass to feet. He should start for me. Cork 7-Good goal and looks a very good allround player. Lambert 7-We looked toothless first half without him. For me our most vital player. Butterfield 7-Great cross for rickies goal and not the first one for lambert. Team for leeds; Davis Butterfield Fonte New cb/Jaidi Harding AOC Morgan Cork Lallana Lambert New CF/Connolly Subs; Guly, Bart,Hammond, Barnard, Jaidi/seaborne. I think midfield 2 can change according to opposition but for me morgan and cork together looked classy. Butt
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Bit harsh on Martin CaM - he was just caught a little cold with that ball. Still rate him pretty highly, reckon he'll be a decent champ centre back in time) Maybe, but I thought he looked a bit out of his depth to be honest. I'm not writing him off as I've liked some of his L1 performances, just think he needs more experience to cut it at the level we're aspiring to. Having said that, I do think we need a new CB alongside Fonte - while I thought Seaborne gave a decent performance tonight, IMO there is a still too much of a gap in class between Fonte and his present partner options. I hope Adkins has a class player in mind as a 1st choice starter or I think we might struggle to contain some of the pacey strikers in the NPC.
sfc4prem Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Seaborne was impressive today. Don't understand why some don't rate him. Intercepted countless passes and won the majority of headers. Played some delightful balls forward as well, some of them were Schneiderlin-esque. On that performance I'd say that Seaborne and Fonte are the current CB first choice pairing. That nay change, obviously, if we sign another CB. De Ridder was quality, tricks, pace, linked up with Butterfield well all despite having two players on him whenever he received the ball. Chamberlain was brilliant, had their players chasing shadows and also showed great tenacity and team spirit - for example he chased down one of their players from his position on the right across the pitch. Seems to have a great mindset. He wants to play PL football ASAP but seems a real pro and i'm certain won't "do a Puncheon" if Arsenal don't conjure up a respectable bid. Lambert was VERY rusty, but got into it toward the end culminating in his classic Lambo header. Sure he'll get better with more playing time. Cork was great, him and Morgan worked well together, both really class, but I'd like to see him play with Hammond/Chaplow before making a judgement on the first choice pairing. Butterfield and Richardson fairly well matched - Richardson has all the physical attributes, Butterfield the knowledge and vision. Butterfield's crossing was great though. Lallana was quiet, marked well, though he did have a few great runs as we're used to seeing from him. Connolly was tireless and threw himself about well, always making runs and looking for options. He was fairly well dominated though by their beastly defender. All in all a promising performance.
sfc4prem Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Oh, and Guly was great, some quality passes and great tenacity and spirit.
Griffo Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Very enjoyable game of football tonight. De Ridder MOM. Only downside - the f*cking goal music is back. Again.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Last time in the Championship Bart was the better performer. . Nonsense!
Roger Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Nonsense! Benji I agree that is rubbish adrian. Last season in the champ was davis best season for us and he was player of the season. Do youre research!
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Why? You've stated that on a night when Bart made an error. Kelvin has made many errors over the years himself. What's the difference there? Both have played well in league games, Bart has more time to learn and develop, Kelvin has more experience but less likely to improve on his weak areas now. Last time in the Championship Bart was the better performer. I'm sure we'll start with Davis and I'm not one for swapping over keepers every 5 minutes so I hope he does well and keeps his place. But let's not be silly about it. Davis, amongst many great saves, will continue to be beaten too often at his near post and won't command his area like a top flight keeper, which is the reason he isn't. Bart would no doubt take time to settle and get full confidence back, so might make errors too. The only ignorance is in not appreciating what a tough position it is and allowing keepers to develop, gain the experience and make the position their own over time. Any keeper could fck up on their debut. We live in a world where Alan Blayney won save of the season despite being woeful. By woeful I of course mean only 20 times better than Forecast. All round I would chose Davis. Bart's is OK, but the mistake tonight was an extremely poor and fundamental error for a goalie which left me with concerns over his handling - OK it was just once, but it was the nature of the error.
cellone Posted 27 July, 2011 Posted 27 July, 2011 Who was that idiot off eurotrash, Eddie Wally? Was he belgian? oh, and while Im at it, was plastic bertrands ca plane pour moi the original or was it a copy of jet boy jet girl by the Damned (or vice versa) I'm not sure who wrote it but I do know it wasn't plastic bertrand, some thing on the radio a while back about a dispute over rights to royalty payments.
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