Pancake Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 What would you class as racist behaviour? Calling you a honkey? Asking you for a white coffee? No, the usual stuff. "Monkeys", "dirty negro", "typical paki man", "ah-so slit eye". Refusing to work with people due to their skin colour; refusing to speak to them outside of work as they were from different background. [PS, the remarks were, in order, from 1. South African 2. Moroccan 3. & 4. Nigerian.]
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 So you don't think you can rent a house/flat privately, without references etc? If that's what you think then you, miss, are the clueless one. Not easily. Most landlords want assurances the rent can and will be paid. I am a landlord. I also represent landlords. References, and credit checks, and bank statements are standard. Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Not easily. Most landlords want assurances the rent can and will be paid. I am a landlord. I also represent landlords. References, and credit checks, and bank statements are standard. Sent from my X10i using Tapatalk Not easily? So what, they make their lives difficult. Why don't they get a bank account then? Is it because then the Government can chase them for taxes? Irish travelers are travelers out of necessity, not out of choice, because they are essentially criminals. We have a lot of travelers in Surrey, but a lot of them tend to live in houses. Why would they do that if it's not their way of life?
Thedelldays Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 there is a famous traveller in devon/cornwall..just him, his horse and his multi coloured cart/caravan thing...he is well known round here and no one mids him... guess he does not go around and cause havoc and crime...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 there is a famous traveller in devon/cornwall..just him, his horse and his multi coloured cart/caravan thing...he is well known round here and no one mids him... Guess he does not go around and cause havoc and crime... Exactly!!!
Made in Southampton Posted 29 July, 2011 Author Posted 29 July, 2011 Wow. When I first put this up I never thought it would lead to five pages of debate. I only really wanted to bring it to the attention of the local Hedge Enders. Probably would have only been two pages though without all the fishing.
scotty Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Wow. When I first put this up I never thought it would lead to five pages of debate. I only really wanted to bring it to the attention of the local Hedge Enders. Probably would have only been two pages though without all the fishing. Theres been more fishing on this thread over the last couple of days than there has at mansbridge.
Thedelldays Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 so we have highlighted that we are all racist in some way...
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Haven't you posted about this a number of times?? Don't you think it's interesting that they aren't recognised as a race in Ireland or the US, and that in this years census they were separated as a different 'race' as Romany gypsies complain that they are classed as the same 'race'? And that a lot of Romany gypsies are ashamed to be classed as similar due to Irish travellers reputations. Yes and still you ignore it. And they may not be recognises in the US but that is irelevant, they are recognised as a race in the country you live in.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Yes and still you ignore it. And they may not be recognises in the US but that is irelevant, they are recognised as a race in the country you live in. Yes, because I don't class it as one. You can keep on shoving it on there, it doesn't make it any more relevant. I have read it, and I disagree with it, like someone disagreeing with any Law or Act (cannabis being illegal etc). Going by what you are saying, do you believe that Ugandan's should respect the fact that homosexuals could have faced the death penalty because of their lifestyle choice.
JackFrost Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I certainly don't class gypsies travelling round a race. Surely they move at their own speed in their own time
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I certainly don't class gypsies travelling round a race. Surely they move at their own speed in their own time BADUM TSCCCHH! Try the veal.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 (edited) For the fact they are both considered a race and therefore "real", see below. http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/key-projects/good-relations/gypsies-and-travellers-simple-solutions-for-living-together/ Nowhere in that report - not by the CRE, by the way, which ceased to exist years ago - is there any claim that gypsies or travellers are a race. If you actually read it, you'll also see that it discusses the tensions that arise when they encamp among local communities, and it does not (as I expect you think it does) criticise local communities for reacting against the disruption. You do read the material you link to, do you? If so, what happens in that process between mouthing the words and processing what they mean? Edited 29 July, 2011 by Verbal
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I have taken 3 things from this thread..... 1. Turks is actually a Pikey 2. Hypo has for some stupid reason been allowed to post again (god save us all) 3. The next generic "Pikeys have pitched up *insert place name here*" will be the same as this and the last.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I have taken 3 things from this thread..... 1. Turks is actually a Pikey 2. Hypo has for some stupid reason been allowed to post again (god save us all) 3. The next generic "Pikeys have pitched up *insert place name here*" will be the same as this and the last. Nice summation!
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 (edited) Nowhere in that report - not by the CRE, by the way, which ceased to exist years ago - is there any claim that gypsies or travellers are a race. If you actually read it, you'll also see that it discusses the tensions that arise when they encamp among local communities, and it does not (as I expect you think it does) criticise local communities for reacting against the disruption. You do read the material you link to, do you? If so, what happens in that process between mouthing the words and processing what they mean? Of course. It says they are an ethinic minority and that it is the last acceptable form of racism. I thought based on this you of all people would be leaping to their defence rather than resorting to your usual tactic of attempts at patronising and belittlement. Edited 29 July, 2011 by Turkish
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 It says they are an ethinic minority and that it is the last acceptable form of racism. I thought based on this you of all people would be leaping to their defence rather than resorting to your usual tactic of attempts at patronising and belittlement. So it's not factually racism then?
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 So it's not factually racism then? Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected from discrimination by the Race Relations Act (1976, amended 2000) and the Human Rights Act Yes it is. i know you lot, especially members of our liberal elite wont like your bigotary being exposed but i am afraid it you are indefencable, however you all try and wriggle out of it.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 (edited) It says they are an ethinic minority and that it is the last acceptable form of racism. I thought based on this you of all people would be leaping to their defence rather than resorting to your usual tactic of attempts at patronising and belittlement. I'm going to assume you're not as stupid as your posts make you sound. So here goes, very slowly: Race is a biological category, while ethnicity is socially mediated. Ethnic groupings have to do with a range factors, including shared culture and customs, outward physical differences (which may be imperceptible to outsiders - eg hutus and tutsis - and have no biological significance or), etc. So: black or East Asian peoples are a race, for example. Gypsies, travellers, Celtic people, etc., are ethnic groupings. They are not a race. Only an utter dimwit - or someone who reserves the right to be a racist scumbag rather than be called one - would say that they are. One of the difficulties of the English language is that it is too fluid and subtle for some people. Racism includes violent action against ethnic groupings - hutus killing tutsis for example. To be racist is not only to be violently sick at the sight of a black or East man, for example (you see where I'm going with this?), but to use difference per se as a means of discrimination and subjugation. Edited 29 July, 2011 by Verbal
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I'm going to assume you're not as stupid as your posts make you sound. So here goes, very slowly: Race is a biological category, while ethnicity is socially mediated. Ethnic groupings have to do with a range factors, including shared culture and customs, outward physical differences (which may be imperceptible to outsiders - eg hutus and tutsis - and have no biological significance or), etc. So: black or East Asian peoples are a race, for example. Gypsies, travellers, Celtic people, etc., are an ethnic groupings. They are not a race. Only an utter dimwit - or someone who reserves the right to be a racist scumbag rather than be called one - would say that they are.One of the difficulties of the English language is that it is too fluid and subtle for some people. Racism includes violent action against ethnic groupings - hutus killing tutsis for example. To be racist is not only to be violently sick at the sight of a black or East man, for example (you see where I'm going with this?), but to use difference per se as a means of discrimination and subjugation. Oh dear, there you go again, quite sad that you cant have a conversation without resorting to abuse but hey ho, what are we to expect from someone who hold themselves in such high esteem...... I take it you include the CPE in this who said abuse of Gypsies was the last acceptable form of racism?
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Oh dear, there you go again, quite sad that you cant have a conversation without resorting to abuse but hey ho, what are we to expect from someone who hold themselves in such high esteem...... I take it you include the CPE in this who said abuse of Gypsies was the last acceptable form of racism. Try again - this time, think about each word carefully and try and connect them all together. The truth is out there.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected from discrimination by the Race Relations Act (1976, amended 2000) and the Human Rights Act Yes it is. i know you lot, especially members of our liberal elite wont like your bigotary being exposed but i am afraid it you are indefencable, however you all try and wriggle out of it. Are races and ethnic groups different things? I think they are.
pap Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Are races and ethnic groups different things? I think they are. You're on dodgy ground here. What's your definition of race, if not ethnicity?
70's Mike Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 lots of high level debate all i want to know is are they subject, in theory and more importantly, in practice, to the same laws as the rest of us.
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I'd you lot want to split hairs about what the differences are you carry on, I can't be arsed with it. They are protected fr discrimination under t he racial equality act, so any abuse of them could be considered racist.
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Are races and ethnic groups different things? . No. To suggest otherwise is like saying maize is different to corn.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 (edited) I'd you lot want to split hairs about what the differences are you carry on, I can't be arsed with it. They are protected fr discrimination under t he racial equality act, so any abuse of them could be considered racist. Still so far away. I'm beginning to lose all hope with you. Racism is the impulse to abuse, violently attack, torture or murder people because of perceived, usually ethnic differences. It is the same impulse, whether the people being abused, etc., represent a different race, ethnic group or whatever. In other words, the racist doesn't think: 'You know what, I have to be really scientific about this - I have to work out whether the bloke whose head I'm smashing in, because I hate his kind, really is of a different race, or merely of a different ethnic group. If the latter - brilliant! I'm not a racist!' Or if he does think that, he probably posts on here. You understand that, don't you? Probably not. As for protections under the Act, it does not, contrary to your flight of paranoic fancy, privilege minority groups, but merely confers the same rights on them as apply to you or me. Edited 29 July, 2011 by Verbal
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Still so far away. I'm beginning to lose all hope with you. Racism is the impulse to abuse, violently attack, torture or murder people because of perceived, usually ethnic differences. It is the same impulse, whether the people being abused, etc., represent a different race, ethnic group or whatever. In other words, the racist doesn't think: 'You know what, I have to be really scientific about this - I have to work out whether the bloke whose head I'm smashing in, because I hate his kind, really is of a different race, or merely of a different ethnic group. If the latter - brilliant! I'm not a racist!' You understand that, don't you? Probably not. What utter bollo cks. Racism can exist without violence and/or impulsive behaviour. Ffs. Of all the carp posted on this thread that is up there.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 What utter bollo cks. Racism can exist without violence and/or impulsive behaviour. Ffs. Of all the carp posted on this thread that is up there. Joined the Turkish school of reading?
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Joined the Turkish school of reading? Joined nothing mate. Just highlighting your warped opinion of racism.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Joined nothing mate. Just highlighting your warped opinion of racism. What you're highlighting is your bizarre misreading and coming up with 'impulsive behaviour.'
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 What you're highlighting is your bizarre misreading and coming up with 'impulsive behaviour.' Please read the second paragraph of your definition thread. Your words are clear. Your definition is wrong.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Please read the second paragraph of your definition thread. Your words are clear. Your definition is wrong. It's not. It would be if you were able to claim successfully that racism has some kind of respectable intellectual history - that the racist psychological profile has some element of reason in it, rather than the irrational fear and loathing of 'the other'.
egg Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 It's not. It would be if you were able to claim successfully that racism has some kind of respectable intellectual history - that the racist psychological profile has some element of reason in it, rather than the irrational fear and loathing of 'the other'. You are plainly in the "I am always correct" group of people so instead of helping you understand a normal persons perception of racism, i am off to the pub. In the meantime have a little look at your definition and, perhaps, compare it to to a proper definition.
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 You are plainly in the "I am always correct" group of people so instead of helping you understand a normal persons perception of racism, i am off to the pub. In the meantime have a little look at your definition and, perhaps, compare it to to a proper definition. Don't worry it's the usual tactic from verbal. Write a lot of ******** with a few patronising comments thrown in and then when people question it tell them they don't understand. You see he operates on a level we can never comprehend and this is like a comfort blanket to him when his superiority complex is questioned. It's a strange definition of racism though, considering he has suggested I was in the past based on an avatar he didn't understand.
dune Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 You are plainly in the "I am always correct" group of people. You will notice that this is a common trait of the forums Liberal Elite.
terrypward Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I am going to the Shamblehurst in 20 mins. Does that make me a gypo?
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 You are plainly in the "I am always correct" group of people so instead of helping you understand a normal persons perception of racism, i am off to the pub. In the meantime have a little look at your definition and, perhaps, compare it to to a proper definition. So you've now joined the Turkish school of sulking too. Instead of jumping up and down squeaking 'bollix, it's bollix!!' Why don't you at least try and enlighten us as to why.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I am going to the Shamblehurst in 20 mins. Does that make me a gypo? Do you intimidate people with threats of violence? Do you steal others property, with no regard to the safety of other people? Do you commandeer private property, destroy peoples property and treat the general public with utter disdain? Do you pay taxes? And do you con people out of money? If not, then I would say no.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 Don't worry it's the usual tactic from verbal. Write a lot of ******** with a few patronising comments thrown in and then when people question it tell them they don't understand. You see he operates on a level we can never comprehend and this is like a comfort blanket to him when his superiority complex is questioned. It's a strange definition of racism though, considering he has suggested I was in the past based on an avatar he didn't understand. My 'usual tactic' is adopted out of kindness and consideration to your limitations. And my definition fits precisely you and your avatar. It's all about the relationship between 'impulse' (see above) and another not so subtle distinction between reasons and rationalisations. You may THINK that you chose that avatar out of the goodness of your heart, or as an homage to your favourite comedians, but a psychologist dissecting the Turkish mind would have called those reasons into question. The impulse to put up a man in blackface as your avatar has deeper (I know, it hardly seems possible), darker sources, and your 'reasons' were in fact rationalisations, or justifications. Feel better now?
Turkish Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 My 'usual tactic' is adopted out of kindness and consideration to your limitations. And my definition fits precisely you and your avatar. It's all about the relationship between 'impulse' (see above) and another not so subtle distinction between reasons and rationalisations. You may THINK that you chose that avatar out of the goodness of your heart, or as an homage to your favourite comedians, but a psychologist dissecting the Turkish mind would have called those reasons into question. The impulse to put up a man in blackface as your avatar has deeper (I know, it hardly seems possible), darker sources, and your 'reasons' were in fact rationalisations, or justifications. Feel better now? I do indeed. Flattered to be conversing with a man as great as yourself. I'm honoured that a man (I am assuming you're male, don't want to be accused of sexism) would reply to my posts. Not only are you undoubtedly the most intellegent super being I have ever encountered you possess the ability to tell someone you have never met and never will, what they are thinking, how they make life changing decisions like what avatar to have on an Internet forum. Some might think you talks a lot of sh*t but not me, not I. I recognise greatness.
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2011 Posted 29 July, 2011 I do indeed. Flattered to be conversing with a man as great as yourself. I'm honoured that a man (I am assuming you're male, don't want to be accused of sexism) would reply to my posts. Not only are you undoubtedly the most intellegent super being I have ever encountered you possess the ability to tell someone you have never met and never will, what they are thinking, how they make life changing decisions like what avatar to have on an Internet forum. Some might think you talks a lot of sh*t but not me, not I. I recognise greatness. Well done. I hesitate to say this, but I can detect some small signs of improvement there.
Saint-scooby Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 And on a lighter note is this why they have a dump anywhere apart from their waggon.. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e59_1311988980
sunrise Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 After seeing the **** and mess these sort of pikeys leave around after illegally camping, the only solution would be an airstrike.
dune Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 I was at a parish council meeting this week and on the agenda was "the gypsies". Can you imagine an urban council getting away with discussing "the pakistani's" or "the blacks"? Anyway the majority of those on the council are narrow minded bigots and nimby's (like so many on this thread) and it was clear they wanted them gone. The parish council discussed contacting the school to ask for the gypsy childrens attendance records, however the chair suggested that the school might be unwilling/unable to disclose this. It was then decided that the parish council would write to the school and enquire as to whether traveller children put an undue strain on resources and slow other children down if their attendance isn't good. Personally I have absolutely no problem with them. There has been no gossip about them stealing, and i've actually spoken to the matriarch (not sure if this is the right terminology) and she's really nice and they've caused nobody any trouble. When I see her (sometimes walk my dog near their paddock) I shall tip her off as to what they are at.
pap Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 (edited) Here is the dictionary definition of race:- 1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage. 4. Humans considered as a group. 5. Biology a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies. b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals. 6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine. It's pretty clear from this definition that travellers, or at least certain specific sections of them, such as Roma, can be termed a race. Edited 30 July, 2011 by pap Ra Ra Rasputin! Lover of the Russian Queen.
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 Here is the dictionary definition of race:- 1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. 2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. 3. A genealogical line; a lineage. 4. Humans considered as a group. 5. Biology a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies. b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals. 6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine. It's pretty clear from this definition that travellers, or at least certain specific sections of them, such as Roma, can be termed a race. You clearly dont understand. They aren't a race because Verbal says they aren't a race. Okay.
Thedelldays Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 You clearly dont understand. They aren't a race because Verbal says they aren't a race. Okay. verbal is the mother-fuking oracle on this place....he's been to pakistan so he should know
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2011 Posted 30 July, 2011 verbal is the mother-fuking oracle on this place....he's been to pakistan so he should know He knows everything, even before he went to Pakistan.
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