s0108787 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Against Espanyol? It just didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 When did we play Espanyol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 lol not only wrong sides but also in the wrong game what fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 You what? You know Forte's left footed, yeah? So I don't see how that can mean they were both "on the wrong side". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Against Espanyol? It just didn't work.sigh...............Sadly, this is the level of intelligence that seems to typify this forum in recent months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 When did we play Espanyol? 11th August 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Holmes played on the right against FC Biel too and provided a couple of assists. Adkins was evidently continuing that experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 And Holmes, along with Doble, was probably our best player. In fact, the best move of the entire day involved Holmes, Doble and Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Question gets raised every season just different players names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 sigh...............Sadly, this is the level of intelligence that seems to typify this forum in recent months. Don't be such a d i ck. The guy probably typed it up quick and made an error... at least he could spell it! Jeez.. no wonder hardly anyone posts these days... all afraid they'll be shot down in flames for the slightest mistake by all the uber fans on here. Bring back Deppo..at least some of this was humourous when he was about. Cripes... *face palm thing* etc etc ad infinitum........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Adkins said he was going to experiment in pre-season. I should imagine those would have been some of his experiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 11th August 2001. Holmes was probably injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Against Espanyol? It just didn't work. It was only Holmes who was on the "wrong side". Forte is left footed so played on the natural side for him as a winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 24 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2011 oops meant Athletic Bilbao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Here here. Don't be such a d i ck. The guy probably typed it up quick and made an error... at least he could spell it! Jeez.. no wonder hardly anyone posts these days... all afraid they'll be shot down in flames for the slightest mistake by all the uber fans on here. Bring back Deppo..at least some of this was humourous when he was about. Cripes... *face palm thing* etc etc ad infinitum........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Against Espanyol? It just didn't work. 1) Saints didn't play Espanyol yesterday. They played Werder Bremen and Athletic Bilbao. 2) Both Lee Holmes and Jonathan Forte are left footed! So what makes you think they were on the wrong sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 24 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Don't be such a d i ck. The guy probably typed it up quick and made an error... at least he could spell it! Jeez.. no wonder hardly anyone posts these days... all afraid they'll be shot down in flames for the slightest mistake by all the uber fans on here. Bring back Deppo..at least some of this was humourous when he was about. Cripes... *face palm thing* etc etc ad infinitum........ Thanks, you're righ it was a quick "Typo" error on my part. i went to the Espanyol game and was thinking of that earlier - must have been why i typed it. I'm really stupid obviously, i wish i was like some of the extra special people in here who never make a mistake! There are some real trolls on here these days! For what it's worth i'm glad Nigel feels like experimenting and i like wingers to swap sides in order to challenge the fullbacks with something different - but like i said it wasn't working. IMHO The first 11 that was out against Bayern Munich...sorry...Werder Bremen , looked far more assured on the ball and more creative - i guess that's what Lallana, Chambo, Connolly & Guly will do for you! Using the 11 against Werder Bremen as a base, i would swap in Kelvin for Bart (although KD's distribution was poor) and Bart did well, Chaplow for Hammond (Hammond charges around basically fouling - more through clumsiness than actual malice or aggression) and Martin for Seaborne for the game against Leeds (assuming no new major signings). I think that Davis, Butterfield, Martin, Fonte, Chamberlin, Chaplow, Cork, Lallana, Connolly, Guly is a damn strong championship team with only Schneiderlin, Lambert & Barnard really making a major claim for places on a regular basis. I rate Holmes very highly when fit and given an extended run, but would i have him in the team ahead of Lallana or Chamberlin? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 No fuss really as neither will be first team regulars.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 It is well known that the 'Southampton Style' is about tactical versatility, and the art of moving players out of position to deliberately confuse opponents. So expect more surprises, against West Brom for starters and during the season. Such as .... Oxo will move to the centre (also to appease him) and Cork will lead the attack from time to time. The mystery striker to be signed will be a CB, and Lallana will be switched to goal to allow Kelvin, our best shot taker (during training sessions) take penalties while Rickie remains injured. (That was a bad dream I just had. Dreamt that Burley was back in charge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 (edited) Against Espanyol? It just didn't work. wrong side...? few players are totally one-footed..except maybe someone like our legendary 1960's winger John Sydenham...who had the sweetest left foot but only used his right leg to balance on...(joke) Obviously truly left-sided players are rarity...but as only one person in four is left handed, even fewer of those are also left-footed. There are some obvious advantages to changing wingers / wings...think about it tactically-speaking. A left-sided player playing on the right is more inclined to go INSIDE a defender, rather than running the sideline before centering. Strachan moved Fernandes (a leftie) over to the right wing and used exactly that tactic with great success, because right /left sided players have a natural tendency to move one way when tackling someone, and are caught out when the attacker goes " the wrong way". Take a look at old videos of Mick Channon, and of course Matt Le Tissier turning defences inside out because they can go one way and then the other. Having lost out with the first tackle, full backs especially find it hard to recover. Terry Paine (a right winger) having tormented his left back opponent, occasionally enjoyed the occasional foray over to the left where he would do the same to the right back, too. Looking at the line-ups in the practice games, nothing surprises me as it is the ideal chance to test new ideas / formations / partnerships which may come in useful for future matches. Its surprising how, even successful teams, use one formula in their attacks and are reliant on one/two players. I'm sure some managers dream of finding another ** Joe Payne in the squad, and like to experiment. ** Joe Payne played in the late 1930's for Luton at half back (attacking midfielder in modern terms). Prior to one game, the team had numerous injuries and Joe was forced into wearing the No.9 shirt as no one else was fit. Luton beat Bristol Rovers 12-0 that day and Joe Payne scored TEN of them ! That feat remains a League record to this day. The sort of story that comes out of the old boy's comic papers - was'nt it ) Edited 26 July, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Holmes played on the right against FC Biel too and provided a couple of assists. Adkins was evidently continuing that experiment. Maybe that's our problem - too much experimenting in pre-season. He needs to give his best 11 players a proper game playing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 I'm sure some managers dream of finding another ** Joe Payne in the squad, and like to experiment. ** Joe Payne played in the late 1930's for Luton at half back (attacking midfielder in modern terms). Prior to one game, the team had numerous injuries and Joe was forced into wearing the No.9 shirt as no one else was fit. Luton beat Bristol Rovers 12-0 that day and Joe Payne scored TEN of them ! That feat remains a League record to this day. The sort of story that comes out of the old boy's comic papers - was'nt it ) Danny Butterfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Doesn't matter where they played really, neither of them will get any serious game time next season anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Maybe that's our problem - too much experimenting in pre-season. He needs to give his best 11 players a proper game playing together. I'm sure that will now be evident in the West Brom and Yeovil games - fine tune what Adkins has found to be useful in the games so far. If it doesn't happen then he's not happy with something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 (edited) Maybe that's our problem - too much experimenting in pre-season. He needs to give his best 11 players a proper game playing together. I agree in principal Duncan, but the majority of last seasons team will be on the team sheet again on Saturday, and must know each others playing style quite well by now. It's surely a good idea to " experiment " given the possible scenario of losing key players for longer periods. It's good to know who might be a " stand-in " in sudden emergencies. Better done in practice games than when 3 points are at stake every game. Edited 26 July, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Danny Butterfield? Well in his case, I'm sure all fans would feel happy if he went up and took a " pot-shot" once in while, whereas the average full-back's shot often end up in Row X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Yes, I suspect that Nigel is already aware of his ideal starting XI and that's enabling him to experiment. That said I'd be mildly surprised if the lineup isn't more stable tomorrow night. If my first statement in this post is wrong then there's not much time left to narrow it down, but I believe in Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 (edited) Maybe that's our problem - too much experimenting in pre-season. He needs to give his best 11 players a proper game playing together. And he likely will, as much as possible. You could even argue that the first of the 45 minutes sides from Saturday was significantly stronger than the other and had very much the air of a starting line-up about it. But I really don't understand this critiscism of playing all the players for 45 minutes for the first few pre-season games. Pretty much all other teams do it. Take a look at Chelsea's preparation from last pre-season, and you'll see no players getting much more than 45 minutes until the game before the Charity Shield. A quick look at line-ups from teams from the games played around ours on Saturday show exactly the same thing at this stage of pre-season; Liverpool's game at Hull on Saturday, they did the same as us and made 11 changes at half time. I expect the WBA game will again be much the same, then the final pre-season game will be focused on the starting XI. Edited 26 July, 2011 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 It is well known that the 'Southampton Style' is about tactical versatility, and the art of moving players out of position to deliberately confuse opponents. So expect more surprises, against West Brom for starters and during the season. Such as .... Oxo will move to the centre (also to appease him) and Cork will lead the attack from time to time. The mystery striker to be signed will be a CB, and Lallana will be switched to goal to allow Kelvin, our best shot taker (during training sessions) take penalties while Rickie remains injured. (That was a bad dream I just had. Dreamt that Burley was back in charge.) Had he been drinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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