Ashley Grute Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 After the games yesterday, I am not really sure who I would have as number 1. Bart looked really good, composed, good distribution and made a few decent saves. Kelvin made some great saves but his distribution was terrible, gave the ball away quite a bit and that put us under alot of pressure. On yesterday's showing, I would be tempted to go with Bart- what does everyone else think?
Mattio Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I think we should mix it up a bit, base it on performance that way it pushes them both to play their best
Katalinic Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 It is a big season for Bart, at 24 he really does need to be pushing KD for his place now - if he isn't up to first team football then we should look at alternatives. I agree he looked more composed yesterday than Kelvin but the shirt is Kelvin's to lose currently I think.
SNSUN Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin has the most Championship experience, and as such I'd more confident with him in there. It's lovely knowing we have a good back up keeper though, and this may be the season we see Bart really try and make the No 1 jersey his own.
Barry the Badger Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin for me. The grass is not always greener.
saintscottofthenortham Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Although Kelv has the very odd mare and isn't the best at commanding his box, you will be hard pushed to find a better shot stopper in The Championship. Bart is good don't get me wrong, and we are very lucky to have the chance to have this argument year on year, but until Kelv has a bad run you just can't drop him.
MarkSFC Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 After the games yesterday, I am not really sure who I would have as number 1. Bart looked really good, composed, good distribution and made a few decent saves. Kelvin made some great saves but his distribution was terrible, gave the ball away quite a bit and that put us under alot of pressure. On yesterday's showing, I would be tempted to go with Bart- what does everyone else think? Sums Davis up completely which is why we need to replace him NOW. If Bart is up to it, great otherwise a new youngish/experienced keeper should be signed.
SaintRichmond Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 After the games yesterday, I am not really sure who I would have as number 1. Bart looked really good, composed, good distribution and made a few decent saves. Kelvin made some great saves but his distribution was terrible, gave the ball away quite a bit and that put us under alot of pressure. On yesterday's showing, I would be tempted to go with Bart- what does everyone else think? IMHO, it should be Bart, without a doubt He commands the six yard box, something that Davis has NEVER done With Davis, our defensive line is the Goal line, which is ridiculous
SuperMikey Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin is a fantastic keeper, as is Bart. We're very lucky to have them both. At the moment I would stick with Kelvin, because he's more experienced at NPC level than Bart and is a very good influence on the players.
Bolokov Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis everyday. I'm amazed this even gets brought up. When Davis hangs up his boots, Bart will be ready and capable of taking over the mantle.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis everyday. I'm amazed this even gets brought up. When Davis hangs up his boots, Bart will be ready and capable of taking over the mantle. This. Kelvin is a great keeper.
Jimmy_D Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I'd imagine Kelvin will be first choice, at least to start with, but I'd like to see Bart start to break through and challenge for a first team place this season.
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis everyday. I'm amazed this even gets brought up. When Davis hangs up his boots, Bart will be ready and capable of taking over the mantle. Is the right answer.
JustMike Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Bart was excellent yesterday, commanded his box well, distributed well. You could even hear him barking orders at his defence. Step up Bart, your time has come
K,Billy's supersound Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 kelvin no doubt simply the better keeper of the two.
beatlesaint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I would like to see Bart given ALL cup games that we feature in. Personally I would give him a run in the team but I doubt it will happen.
ltSaint91 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I've never seen Bart put in a bad performance. He's magnificent every time he plays. Kelvin is probably the better shot stopper, but he has poor distribution and does have the odd nightmare. I'd go for Bart purely based on his consistency.
Coastal Saint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I think Bart should be given a chance at some point very soon.
niceandfriendly Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 My first choice at the moment would still be Kelvin because he's a very good keeper, but his distribution and commanding of the area are both very poor so I want Bart to take over fairly soon. Maybe Barts first full season can be the 2012/2013 one in the Prem?
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I've never seen Bart put in a bad performance. He's magnificent every time he plays. Kelvin is probably the better shot stopper, but he has poor distribution and does have the odd nightmare. I'd go for Bart purely based on his consistency. This is just wrong. Bart has had plenty of dodgy games and his kicking is atrocious. Kelvin's kicking is miles better than Bart's.
Ohio Saint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis everyday. I'm amazed this even gets brought up. When Davis hangs up his boots, Bart will be ready and capable of taking over the mantle. This for me too. Kelvin still has it, but Bart will be an excellent replacement when the time comes. Who can forget his purple patch a few years ago in the very division we are in right now.
paulwantsapint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 How long is KD going to keep playing for he only turns 35 end of sept ? if he plays for another 3 years because he will want a crack at being saints keeper in prem BB will be 27
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 How long is KD going to keep playing for he only turns 35 end of sept ? if he plays for another 3 years because he will want a crack at being saints keeper in prem BB will be 27 Don't know but I would consider that Bart's problem, rather than Saints', and if we are in the Prem we will be able to buy a better replacement than Bart anyway.
Mowgli Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 KD for me. Nice to know Bart is ready should the call come - he would walk straight in many Championship teams
up and away Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin is just not a good Championship keeper, that we have already proven for ourselves. No one is going to persuade me that Richard Wright is a must have keeper, but I can't remember anyone preferring Kelvin over Wright. I would give Bart his chance and see what he can do, otherwise it's into the market. Wright's ability to command the 6 yard box made the defence look totally different, something vital in the Championship.
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin is just not a good Championship keeper, that we have already proven for ourselves. No one is going to persuade me that Richard Wright is a must have keeper, but I can't remember anyone preferring Kelvin over Wright. I would give Bart his chance and see what he can do, otherwise it's into the market. Wright's ability to command the 6 yard box made the defence look totally different, something vital in the Championship. What a load of codswallop.
Huffton Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I've never seen Bart put in a bad performance. He's magnificent every time he plays. Kelvin is probably the better shot stopper, but he has poor distribution and does have the odd nightmare. I'd go for Bart purely based on his consistency. Sorry but you can't have seen him play very much then. Bart is a fine keeper when theres no pressure on, such as in a game like yesterday, but he can, and has, fallen to pieces when it matters. And as someone pointed out earlier his kicking is atrocious. KD gets knocked but I would say 90%+ of his long kicks find a Saints player. Barts time will come, he needs more first team experience in cup games, and at the end of the season if we have nothing to play for, but for now its Kelvin for me.
St_Tel49 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Yesterday was the first time that I thought that Bart could put in a serious challenge for the jersey. He did play well but, as I have said already, he was playing behind the sounder defence which gives a goalkeeper confidence. That said he did nothing wrong. However, as others are saying, the jersey is still Kelvin's to lose. I think that Kelvin's critics have to bear in mind that he has been in front of us now for three seasons. Any foibles or weaknesses will have shown themselves in that time. I suspect that should Bart get his chance it will not be long before any of his foibles and weaknesses would become obvious.
SaintNeil90 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Some people love to ignore the fact Davis saves us on so many occasions. His shot stopping is superb and he has won/saved ALOT of points for us over the last couple of season. If people want to pick at little things then I would say Bart gets nervous easily, rushes things under pressure and has awful distribution. Last season against Man Utd half his kicks went out for a throw in!
David Strover Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Some people won't be happy until we get a keeper that makes no mistakes - I can't wait to see him, along with all of the footballing world...
Stepgar Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I think Bart should be our cup keeper. He needs to get games under his belt and I think that would be a good way to do it.
Clifford Nelson Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin makes me nervous simply because he relies on his reflexes to deal with the headers rather than attack the crosses. That I think I share with a number of fans. He also isn't in great command of his back four, which I would like him to have. His kicking isn't anywhere near as bad as he is accused of, and his shotstopping is first class. Surely he makes mistakes at times, all goalkeepers do, but he is amazingly consistent. NA is an old goalkeeper, so he knows more than me about goalkeeping, and he also knows what other values Kelvin gives to the squad. He has clearly decided that altogether Bart hasn't offered any real competition for the No 1 jersey yet. Kelvin will be on the team sheet until it is time to pack his bags, or retire. A year or two, maybe, then we will be buying ourselves a goalkeeper, and I would have thought that we will try to get buy one which is the best we can possibly get. The hope of seeing Bart between the sticks for any period of time is fading.
scotty Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Some people love to ignore the fact Davis saves us on so many occasions. His shot stopping is superb and he has won/saved ALOT of points for us over the last couple of season. If people want to pick at little things then I would say Bart gets nervous easily, rushes things under pressure and has awful distribution. Last season against Man Utd half his kicks went out for a throw in! Saved penalty against brighton at sms.....
sammysaint Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis has to start the season at number 1 and its his to lose, bart deserves to play in the cup games get some experience and then push on this is last year he can develop and become a top championship keeper so he needs at least 7-8 games so next season he can be our number one.
SaintNeil90 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Saved penalty against brighton at sms..... Oh come on... he saved us on a lot of occasions with some fantastic saves. Sheffield Wednesday away comes to mind. It made me laugh that day, was stood at the back with some pillock going on about how **** Davis was all game only for him to pull off 2 or 3 world class saves in injury time to make sure we took the 3 points home. That shut him up.
up and away Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Kelvin makes me nervous simply because he relies on his reflexes to deal with the headers rather than attack the crosses. That I think I share with a number of fans. He also isn't in great command of his back four, which I would like him to have. His kicking isn't anywhere near as bad as he is accused of, and his shotstopping is first class. Surely he makes mistakes at times, all goalkeepers do, but he is amazingly consistent. NA is an old goalkeeper, so he knows more than me about goalkeeping, and he also knows what other values Kelvin gives to the squad. He has clearly decided that altogether Bart hasn't offered any real competition for the No 1 jersey yet. Kelvin will be on the team sheet until it is time to pack his bags, or retire. A year or two, maybe, then we will be buying ourselves a goalkeeper, and I would have thought that we will try to get buy one which is the best we can possibly get. The hope of seeing Bart between the sticks for any period of time is fading. Yep, if Bart has not stepped up to the plate after this length of time you wonder if it will ever come. I am not getting too hung up over distribution and kicking so much, it's what are the the best attributes for the Championship. Kelvins saves can be good, but a lot of the time it's more Hollywood with some keepers not having to get off the ground to make the same save. In League 1 he has saved a couple of penalties but that was not evident in the Championship. It's his inability to deal with crosses and reluctance to come off his line that causes all the problems. Which was highlighted by Richard Wright as being far more important, the difference was night and day. He was ok in League 1, mainly good and some bad, but he will come under a different pressure in the Champinship, one he is not comfortable with.
welshsaint92 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis for me. Give Bart the cup games so he can get some experience for when Davis hangs up his gloves.
rshephard3 Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Crystal palace at home first game of the season a few years back IIRC. Bart will look great in friendlies then put in horror shows like that one when he needs to shine. Kelvin is no genius but is easily a better keeper ATM. As mentioned earlier cant believe this topic isn't pretty much unanimous in favour of sticking with Davis. Has been a super consistent performer since signing for the club.
benjii Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 **** me, that vote is embarrassing. If you voted "Bart" you know little about football. Hth.
AussieDog Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 I think they are both good quality Championship keepers, but, much the same as the fact I wouldn't pick an outfield player on last seasons' form, I think we should pick whichever keeper has had the best pre-season, and it's then theirs to lose. Isn't that what competition is for?
S-Clarke Posted 24 July, 2011 Posted 24 July, 2011 Davis is number one and will stay number 1. But we're very lucky to have someone like Bart in backup, who seems content to wait for his time.
Lighthouse Posted 25 July, 2011 Posted 25 July, 2011 Bart just edges it for me. Both have faults, but I couldn't pick a better 'keeper of the two at the moment. However Bart is young, will learn from his mistakes and improve. Kelvin is 34, if he hasn't got crosses and near post shots figured out by now, he isn't going to.
rooney Posted 25 July, 2011 Posted 25 July, 2011 If the Memorial game was used as the final selection for 1st Team Goalkeeper, it would have to be Bart. His handling of the ball at close range was impeccable,as was his coming for crosses and distribution. Kelvin was not up to it in those three key areas on Saturday. However, this was only one game and we do not know what has gone on in training or in Switerland. We should do however, after the Yeovil game on Saturday.
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