Saints Director Paid £600k

[JRM]

Its a business. A sucessful business. We're the customers buying a product. At the end of the day, they can pay themselves whatever we like, we have no right to say what that should and shouldn't be.

 

The is Saintsweb, a fan site the same way that the Ford Focus Owners site (or whatever) have no say in how much Ford pay their executives. Deal with it.

 

how much did the business make last year?

[The9]

you lot crack me up, on one thread justifying the high costs of saints as "you've got to pay for it if you want premier league football" and on this one justifying Cortese's sky high wage, he puts nearly all his expenses through the club including his wife's manicures so all that cash is sitting nicely in the bank.

 

One of the reasons i can't be bothered with it anymore and haven't renewed my season ticket, football fans treated like mugs and roll over happy to keep paying out whatever it costs

 

Yet people are still referring to "if things start to sour".

[Saint_Ash]

you lot crack me up, on one thread justifying the high costs of saints as "you've got to pay for it if you want premier league football" and on this one justifying Cortese's sky high wage, he puts nearly all his expenses through the club including his wife's manicures so all that cash is sitting nicely in the bank.

 

One of the reasons i can't be bothered with it anymore and haven't renewed my season ticket, football fans treated like mugs and roll over happy to keep paying out whatever it costs

 

Really? Wow, where is that written down as proof? I'd love to see the list that you have obviously seen that shows us what he puts through the accounts, they must be out there for us all to read yes as a nobody like you has seen them.

[The9]

Its a business. A sucessful business. We're the customers buying a product. At the end of the day, they can pay themselves whatever we like, we have no right to say what that should and shouldn't be.

 

The is Saintsweb, a fan site the same way that the Ford Focus Owners site (or whatever) have no say in how much Ford pay their executives. Deal with it.

 

Yep, so I'm off to support Vauxhall, or Peugeot; or Reading, or Fulham, or Arsenal. Because there's absolutely no difference in the two analogies.

 

Can you imagine Ford charging customers who are spending a thousand quid on a service for car parking ? They'd just go somewhere else !

Edited 22 July, 2011 by The9

[JRM]

Really? Wow, where is that written down as proof? I'd love to see the list that you have obviously seen that shows us what he puts through the accounts, they must be out there for us all to read yes as a nobody like you has seen them.

 

i don't care if you believe it or not, but the bills are "charged to the club"

[Sour Mash]

Yep, so I'm off to support Vauxhall, or Peugeot; or Reading, or Fulham, or Arsenal. Because there's absolutely no difference in the two analogies.

 

Exactly. And also the point that if we can't do anything about something it means you can't comment or criticise it - would make this whole site obsolete.

[capitalsaint]

i agree it is just as bad as the players, f*cking mental £11,500 a week running a 3rd division football club.

 

Not when it is a business turning over nearly £15 million though surely, that's a wage of 4% of turnover.

 

In answer to your point about being treated like mugs, do you also refuse to buy items at the supermarket or food at a restaurant? The basis of a Capitalist Economy is that you charge a margin, nothing is available for cost price. If it is ridiculous, as you suggest, then people won't pay, the business suffers and it is forced to assess its expenses. Southampton FC are not the most expensive club to support by a long way, but because fans invaraiably will not move clubs there is no direct comparison except to the past.

Edited 22 July, 2011 by capitalsaint
Wrote the wrong percentage. Capitalist scum.

[capitalsaint]

Yep, so I'm off to support Vauxhall, or Peugeot; or Reading, or Fulham, or Arsenal. Because there's absolutely no difference in the two analogies.

 

Can you imagine Ford charging customers who are spending a thousand quid on a service for car parking ? They'd just go somewhere else !

 

That's the thing, WE have the choice of going somewhere else if we choose. If the business model is wrong then the business will fail. That doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.

[St Marco]

At the end of the day it is a lot of money. But it is a different time from when Lowe was here. If we were not bankrolled by Markus and his family then obviously nobody would be getting a salary like that.

But if you think about what has happened in the past 2 years and try and put a value on it i would say 600k for a day at wembley, a trophy and a promotion is pretty good value.

[The9]

Not when it is a business turning over nearly £15 million though surely, that's a wage of 1% of turnover.

 

In answer to your point about being treated like mugs, do you also refuse to buy items at the supermarket or food at a restaurant? The basis of a Capitalist Economy is that you charge a margin, nothing is available for cost price. If it is ridiculous, as you suggest, then people won't pay, the business suffers and it is forced to assess its expenses. Southampton FC are not the most expensive club to support by a long way, but because fans invaraiably will not move clubs there is no direct comparison except to the past.

 

I don't think there have been many complaints about cost other than from people who are suddenly recategorised. I think MOST people think our prices are reasonable enough.

 

The problem is the whole charade of adding extra costs for transport and parking, insisting on attendance at the TO to avoid extra charges - or changing extra for booking online and by phone, which are more cost-effective than TO attendance and should be promoted. Add to that the short ST periods, the poor marketing, moving the goalposts for certain fan groups so they end up paying 72% more by taking them out of a concessionary group are ALL getting people's backs up for the sake of, on an individual basis, a few quid here or there (more than that for the 61-64s)... but it is all the time, and for everything, and you can see why people are getting fed up.

 

For me it's not so much the cost, it's the way the charges are being implemented. None of it is in line with a Chief Exec getting that kind of salary.

[capitalsaint]

I don't think there have been many complaints about cost other than from people who are suddenly recategorised. I think MOST people think our prices are reasonable enough.

 

The problem is the whole charade of adding extra costs for transport and parking, insisting on attendance at the TO to avoid extra charges - or changing extra for booking online and by phone, which are more cost-effective than TO attendance and should be promoted. Add to that the short ST periods, the poor marketing, moving the goalposts for certain fan groups so they end up paying 72% more by taking them out of a concessionary group are ALL getting people's backs up for the sake of, on an individual basis, a few quid here or there (more than that for the 61-64s)... but it is all the time, and for everything, and you can see why people are getting fed up.

 

For me it's not so much the cost, it's the way the charges are being implemented. None of it is in line with a Chief Exec getting that kind of salary.

 

I take your point. Do you think it is more that people don't want to pay the extra cash, or they are annoyed with the way they have to pay it? Because if it's the latter, it shows our price modelling is fair. Maybe it will take a while to get used to, the Americans don't complain that store prices are given pre-tax, maybe we'll end up like that.

[Coastal Saint]

Yes, we get it, he helped save the club. That shouldn't guarantee the kind unquestioning acceptance of all business decisions some people think it does.

 

No he didn't help save the club. He SAVED the club.

 

If you want to talk business decisions you need to investigate what other directors get before you have the right to comment on the validity of £600000 being too much.

[Saint Bones]

Are other clubs Chairpersons wages known ?

 

Do we really know what his wage comparrison is compared to others seriosuly taking in mind results so far ?

 

Very happy personally.

[aintforever]

I'm glad the Leibherrs are willing to pay a decent wage, Cortese will have to deliver results or they could easily hire someone else who can.

[The9]

That's the thing, WE have the choice of going somewhere else if we choose. If the business model is wrong then the business will fail. That doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.

 

If I want to watch professional football in the southern Hampshire area, I have the choice of watching Saints, who I have been following for 20 years, or, um... so are you saying it's the "same thing" to me to go and watch Portsmouth ?

 

If not, the "somewhere else" doesn't get me the product I'm after.

 

If I'm misunderstanding your point, and what you're actually saying is that "the club should exploit people as much as possible until it gets to the point where they just leave", then I hope you enjoy seeing it happen. But that is not the way to secure a long term fan base, and as many of my friends have shown as we dropped down the leagues, once you stop going, you don't come back.

 

Do we REALLY have to go through the reasons that trying to keep your supporters happy as a good business model ? It's not like the club is a budget airline when you expect to be exploited over every add-on in exchange for their low costs - or if it is operating on that model, then the prices weren't low enough to begin with.

[derry]

I don't think there have been many complaints about cost other than from people who are suddenly recategorised. I think MOST people think our prices are reasonable enough.

 

The problem is the whole charade of adding extra costs for transport and parking, insisting on attendance at the TO to avoid extra charges - or changing extra for booking online and by phone, which are more cost-effective than TO attendance and should be promoted. Add to that the short ST periods, the poor marketing, moving the goalposts for certain fan groups so they end up paying 72% more by taking them out of a concessionary group are ALL getting people's backs up for the sake of, on an individual basis, a few quid here or there (more than that for the 61-64s)... but it is all the time, and for everything, and you can see why people are getting fed up.

 

For me it's not so much the cost, it's the way the charges are being implemented. None of it is in line with a Chief Exec getting that kind of salary.

 

And the latest TO cock up - matches 1-8 missed out of some of the ST books by the printers and still sent out by TO. I received two STs one ok the other missing the first 8 matches. Changing the printers from Cedar to a Pompey company worked a treat as did David Luker leaving.

[Daren W]

I don't think there have been many complaints about cost other than from people who are suddenly recategorised. I think MOST people think our prices are reasonable enough.

 

The problem is the whole charade of adding extra costs for transport and parking, insisting on attendance at the TO to avoid extra charges - or changing extra for booking online and by phone, which are more cost-effective than TO attendance and should be promoted. Add to that the short ST periods, the poor marketing, moving the goalposts for certain fan groups so they end up paying 72% more by taking them out of a concessionary group are ALL getting people's backs up for the sake of, on an individual basis, a few quid here or there (more than that for the 61-64s)... but it is all the time, and for everything, and you can see why people are getting fed up.

 

For me it's not so much the cost, it's the way the charges are being implemented. None of it is in line with a Chief Exec getting that kind of salary.

 

At the end of the day, The9 has every right to criticise Cortese if he thinks he's wrong. This club got itself into a mess because perhaps we didn't question things enough.

If Cortese does something right he should be praised for it.

If Cortese does something wrong he should be criticised for it.

We should be rightly grateful to Nicola for being instrumental in saving this club but that doesn't give him free reign to be free from criticism.

We should all respect The 9's right to criticise constructively and reply to his points constructively without resorting to "Oh it's another (fill in the blanks) bashing exercise..."

[capitalsaint]

If I want to watch professional football in the southern Hampshire area, I have the choice of watching Saints, who I have been following for 20 years, or, um... so are you saying it's the "same thing" to me to go and watch Portsmouth ?

 

If not, the "somewhere else" doesn't get me the product I'm after.

 

If I'm misunderstanding your point, and what you're actually saying is that "the club should exploit people as much as possible until it gets to the point where they just leave", then I hope you enjoy seeing it happen. But that is not the way to secure a long term fan base, and as many of my friends have shown as we dropped down the leagues, once you stop going, you don't come back.

 

Do we REALLY have to go through the reasons that trying to keep your supporters happy as a good business model ? It's not like the club is a budget airline when you expect to be exploited over every add-on in exchange for their low costs - or if it is operating on that model, then the prices weren't low enough to begin with.

 

But until (and I don't think this will ever happen) we have dwindling attendances and nobody buying club merchandise your argument isn't valid. We aren't being exploited if we choose to pay the money. Sky might charge astronomical fees for their television, but it is still the individual's choice whether the opportunity cost of a wider range of television is worth the money.

 

I'm not saying the club should exploit people, just that if it charges higher fees and we keep paying then it is entitled to do so. I certainly wouldn't sell my product for ten pounds if I knew people would buy it for fifteen.

[Sour Mash]

I could very well be wrong, but I think when this came up on the forum a few months, the £600k was only for half a year, meaning his salary was over £1 million?

[capitalsaint]

At the end of the day, The9 has every right to criticise Cortese if he thinks he's wrong. This club got itself into a mess because perhaps we didn't question things enough.

If Cortese does something right he should be praised for it.

If Cortese does something wrong he should be criticised for it.

We should be rightly grateful to Nicola for being instrumental in saving this club but that doesn't give him free reign to be free from criticism.

We should all respect The 9's right to criticise constructively and reply to his points constructively without resorting to "Oh it's another (fill in the blanks) bashing exercise..."

 

Or we can debate the point on its individual merit as some of us are doing...

[aintforever]

And the latest TO cock up - matches 1-8 missed out of some of the ST books by the printers and still sent out by TO. I received two STs one ok the other missing the first 8 matches. Changing the printers from Cedar to a Pompey company worked a treat as did David Luker leaving.

 

The ST cock up in itself should not have been a problem but SFC insisted on leaving sales so f*cking late it now could cause issues. They should have been sent out a month ago.

[The9]

No he didn't help save the club. He SAVED the club.

 

If you want to talk business decisions you need to investigate what other directors get before you have the right to comment on the validity of £600000 being too much.

 

Not really. I can take that figure and see what else we could be doing with it and decide it's too much on the scale that Saints are on without any frame of reference at all, if I wished.

 

Amusingly the first result on Google links to Storrie's £1.2m for taking then Premier League Portsmouth down the pan, so I'm happy to say within THAT frame of reference that Storrie's wages were also too much, especially considering the job he did.

 

Here are a few more, though the timescales are unconfirmed Cook hasn't been at City for more than 3 years and I believe Parry moved on a fair time ago : http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/salaries.html

Rick Parry Liverpool £1.5 million

Garry Cook Manchester City £1.8 million

David Gill Manchester United £1.73 million

 

Those 3 are at or near the very top level of club football internationally, in the most money-making League in the world, for clubs with some of the biggest incomes and an absolutely GLOBAL merchandising operation. We were paying about half of that as a third tier side, which has one store outside the city in which it's based and relies on postal sales beyond that.

 

In addition, there's an article here about 2003 salaries in which Peter Kenyon was the highest paid CEO with £700k (Andrew Cowen was the lowest).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-footie-index-how-club-bosses-netted-premier-league-salaries-537914.html

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Seriously this thread must be a joke.. who gives a ****.

 

Invest 25million in football team, and then take a salary. The bloody cheek.

[Daren W]

Or we can debate the point on its individual merit as some of us are doing...

 

Some...

 

Foir what it's worth I think Cortese is worth every penny, I really rate him...

But The9 has every right to raise issues and not people sigh, accuse him of Cortese bashing and not really take in his points...

[Coastal Saint]

Not really. I can take that figure and see what else we could be doing with it and decide it's too much on the scale that Saints are on without any frame of reference at all, if I wished.

 

Amusingly the first result on Google links to Storrie's £1.2m for taking then Premier League Portsmouth down the pan, so I'm happy to say within THAT frame of reference that Storrie's wages were also too much, especially considering the job he did.

 

Here are a few more, though the timescales are unconfirmed Cook hasn't been at City for more than 3 years and I believe Parry moved on a fair time ago : http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/salaries.html

Rick Parry Liverpool £1.5 million

Garry Cook Manchester City £1.8 million

David Gill Manchester United £1.73 million

 

Those 3 are at or near the very top level of club football internationally, in the most money-making League in the world, for clubs with some of the biggest incomes and an absolutely GLOBAL merchandising operation. We were paying about half of that as a third tier side, which has one store outside the city in which it's based and relies on postal sales beyond that.

 

In addition, there's an article here about 2003 salaries in which Peter Kenyon was the highest paid CEO with £700k (Andrew Cowen was the lowest).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-footie-index-how-club-bosses-netted-premier-league-salaries-537914.html

 

Sorry, but from those figures £600,000 looks about right. Hats off for the info though!

[Red]

£600k is quite a bit lower than many other Chairman/Chief execs. I've recall others that were the £1m+ mark. Also, at the end of the day, part of his job is to maximise income. Remember his statement about ex players etc needing to generate more than they earn if they want to be paid ambassadors.

 

Also we are paying ONE director £600K - anyone know what the total directors package was under Lowe etc. (leaving aside success bonus, inflation etc. etc.)

[Wopper]

Compared with Lowe he's worth every penny.

[The9]

I take your point. Do you think it is more that people don't want to pay the extra cash, or they are annoyed with the way they have to pay it? Because if it's the latter, it shows our price modelling is fair. Maybe it will take a while to get used to, the Americans don't complain that store prices are given pre-tax, maybe we'll end up like that.

 

Americans don't complain about tax because they understand they have federal and state taxes and the logistics of calculating them to pay the right amounts to the right people are best addressed at point of sale, as far as I'm aware.

 

RE: Saints charges, I think it's the fact fans have to pay them at all - compared to previous years, and the way it's been implemented (certainly with the car park) as a stealth tax. The transparency of the match day tax and the online fees, etc. don't necessarily mean that people are happy in the way this has been done - as I've said, getting the online booking right is almost certainly more cost effective for the club than staffing the TO is.

[ghq]

The9 has every right to complain about the salary paid to Cortese. Cortese, as chairman of a (very) limited company has every right to ignore The9 or any other

 

complainant. It's pretty much a nothing sort of debate.

[The9]

But until (and I don't think this will ever happen) we have dwindling attendances and nobody buying club merchandise your argument isn't valid. We aren't being exploited if we choose to pay the money. Sky might charge astronomical fees for their television, but it is still the individual's choice whether the opportunity cost of a wider range of television is worth the money.

 

I'm not saying the club should exploit people, just that if it charges higher fees and we keep paying then it is entitled to do so. I certainly wouldn't sell my product for ten pounds if I knew people would buy it for fifteen.

 

I'm not arguing against a free market, I'm suggesting that the additional costs and failure to engage fans as customers whose opinions are valued are short termist and will result in disenchantment. With the current economic climate customer service is one of the things people should be expecting as the competition for the limited money fans have available.

 

I'm more than aware that the demand for people attending their specific football club is inelastic, but as I've said, once people stop, they generally stop forever. The rising average age of football fans has been of note to the football money men for some time, and it's because fewer young people are starting, and those who are fans have generally been fans for a long time. It's a lot easier to keep people who want to keep coming happy than it is to entice new people to come along.

 

Saints, when surveyed in the Prem had one of the very oldest fanbases, so the problem is even more relevant to us. Of course, Cortese seems has his own approach to reducing the average age regarding the 60-64s.

[The9]

The9 has every right to complain about the salary paid to Cortese. Cortese, as chairman of a (very) limited company has every right to ignore The9 or any other

 

complainant. It's pretty much a nothing sort of debate.

 

I'm not complaining about the salary per se, I'm complaining about the salary in the context of the various stealth costs to supporting the club and the expectation that the fan base will fund "running as a business" via the means of petty charges and inconvenient policies, when there may be a significant saving and contribution to the cause to be made right there.

[The9]

Some...

 

Foir what it's worth I think Cortese is worth every penny, I really rate him...

But The9 has every right to raise issues and not people sigh, accuse him of Cortese bashing and not really take in his points...

 

The Editorial direction has been noted

[Toadhall Saint]

I'm not complaining about the salary per se, I'm complaining about the salary in the context of the various stealth costs to supporting the club and the expectation that the fan base will fund "running as a business" via the means of petty charges and inconvenient policies, when there may be a significant saving and contribution to the cause to be made right there.

 

I see what your saying but it would seem that you would get rid of Cortese (or at least his salary) rather than pay a charge for booking a ticket (via a 3rd party)?

[Redondo Saint]

Completely different scenarios, and Lowe didn't take money out via share dividends per se - As a shareholder he would have received the dividends like any other share owner. I think loes highest ever salary was 450k when we were 8th in the prem. There were a lot that questioned that, but I think that was about the going rate and rewarded the success we had had that year.

 

As to what Cortese earns, it's a non starter. We are a privately owned company and as such it was down to Markus to agree Cortese's package.

 

These figures have been out for a while. Not sure what the Echo think is so news worthy.

 

 

Absolultely!

This is a privately owned company operating in a competitive environment. End of story.

Firking Echo sh1t stiring as usual.

[gaz]

Firking Echo sh1t stiring as usual.

 

When I read it was in The Echo, I thought ''Oh here we go, more Saints bashing''. Which was right.

 

Have the Echo published the wages of any other directors of businesses in Southampton?

[The9]

I see what your saying but it would seem that you would get rid of Cortese (or at least his salary) rather than pay a charge for booking a ticket (via a 3rd party)?

 

I'd rather do neither, which was an option for a year.

[The9]

When I read it was in The Echo, I thought ''Oh here we go, more Saints bashing''. Which was right.

 

Have the Echo published the wages of any other directors of businesses in Southampton?

 

Do other businesses in Southampton have a significant fan base that might be interested ?

[Pat from Poole]

Now you are trying to wriggle out of what you initially said! How funny!

 

Your initial position was that as fans we have the right to tell the owner of the club how much he pays his directors. We don't. Don't try and change tack and pretend you were on about good client relations. It was clear what you meant. I reiterate: we are fans, we 'own' the club in an emotional way, in a heritage way and without us the club would not be but that does not mean we have any right to dictate how the club is run at the top level. Which includes directors salaries. Just because you shop at Tescos doesn't mean you can demand that the directors are paid what you want them paid. Only shareholders have that right. And none of us fans is a shareholder of SFC. Live with it.

 

You, sir, with the best will in the world, are obviously a cretin. You clearly have no idea whatsoever what I meant. I dread to think what line of business you are in and who is daft enough to be a customer of yours.

[grammy]

sorry The9, but you are not allowed to say anything negative about Cortese, ever. Everything he has and will do is correct. Given time, and for some that time seems to already have come, it will be Cortese that saved us and not Marcus.

 

To be fair Chez if it wasn't for Cortese then Marcus would never have been aware of us . Yes it was Marcus's money but you could argue also that Cortese saved us by selling Marcus the dream. Don't personaly think its an extortionate amount. Probably equivelant to our wages for the top players.

[JRM]

To be fair Chez if it wasn't for Cortese then Marcus would never have been aware of us . Yes it was Marcus's money but you could argue also that Cortese saved us by selling Marcus the dream. Don't personaly think its an extortionate amount. Probably equivelant to our wages for the top players.

 

Cortese didn't just save us. he founded the club, or that is what people will beleive in the future once he has renamed all the stands.

looking forward to the Ted Bates trophy tomorrow.

[jam]

I think the point here is that it isn't a private matter of the Liebherrs being happy to pay Cortese whatever they do as the club is supposed to be being run within its means.

 

So part of the reason - maybe a small part - of all these extra costs in supporting the club is to pay one of the directors a very healthy wage. For that reason it's entirely fair to question the amount he's getting.

[Wurzel]

So, roughly speaking, costs every fan the equivalent of an extra £1.25 per game (whether that be from increased ticket price, "Cortese Tax (****ing stupid title) parking fees, eating more burgers at SMS or wherever,) that covers the salary of the one man that not only masterminded the rescue of the club but has changed virtually all of it's business practices to ensure it's continued survival and (hopefully) future successes.

I'd have thought any fan would see that as good value

[Redondo Saint]

I think the point here is that it isn't a private matter of the Liebherrs being happy to pay Cortese whatever they do as the club is supposed to be being run within its means.

 

So part of the reason - maybe a small part - of all these extra costs in supporting the club is to pay one of the directors a very healthy wage. For that reason it's entirely fair to question the amount he's getting.

 

I think the point is that it really is "a private matter of the Liebherrs being happy to pay Cortese". It's a private company.

Also keep in mind the board of directors and amount of senior management is relatively small for a football club.

 

I don't agree with the principle of charging to park at SMS on non match days but that is my opinion and who knows it may be scrapped at some stage. It certainly wasn't implemented to pay NC's salary of that I am sure.

[jam]

I think the point is that it really is "a private matter of the Liebherrs being happy to pay Cortese". It's a private company.

Also keep in mind the board of directors and amount of senior management is relatively small for a football club.

 

I don't agree with the principle of charging to park at SMS on non match days but that is my opinion and who knows it may be scrapped at some stage. It certainly wasn't implemented to pay NC's salary of that I am sure.

 

It's a private company that's being expected to live within its means not be bankrolled by some benevolent billionaires.

 

A large part the club's means come from the matchday customer so it's perfectly fair to question what the increased costs in supporting the club are being spent on.

[Redondo Saint]

Do Man City fans question why Garry Cook is paid 1.5m pounds or do they say thanks for helping to bring success to the club?

 

We can question as many things as we like on an internet forum if it makes us feel better, but ultimately it is not us that determine where the company decides to spend its money or how it generates income.

If we don't like the parking charges or the chairman's salary we do have the option of not buying a ticket. If enough people stop buying tickets then the owners will know something needs to change.

[Crab Lungs]

I'd rather see Cortese paid that than any of the revolting freeloading that was commonplace during our previous directorships - and for nothing in return over the past twenty plus years (Lowe's achievements aside).

[Mr_Red]

Is anybody really concerned that the chap running our club is earning £11,500 a week, which is probably less than quite a few of the players?

 

Personally don't see anything particularly wrong with that.

 

 

Puts it into context really, the money in football is ridiculous. Cortese seems to be doing a decent job of steering us to the top of the Championship (hopefully) and maybe into the Prem (hopefully)

I don't believe any one of our players will have as much influence in us achieving this than Cortese.

[jam]

Do Man City fans question why Garry Cook is paid 1.5m pounds or do they say thanks for helping to bring success to the club?

 

 

I don't know much about Man City and care even less. But if he's making questionable decisions then they should do.

 

I'm not sure of the relevance of being thankful for bringing success to the club.

 

 

We can question as many things as we like on an internet forum if it makes us feel better, but ultimately it is not us that determine where the company decides to spend its money or how it generates income.

If we don't like the parking charges or the chairman's salary we do have the option of not buying a ticket. If enough people stop buying tickets then the owners will know something needs to change.

 

You could make pretty much the same argument about match day and reaction threads. Strange that one is a perfectly fine and the other gets people trying to stifle all debate.

[Redondo Saint]

Chairman's salary is quite different from debating matches in my opinion.

Not my intent to stifle debate even if I could!

[dune]

That explains the ticket tax.