SaintRichmond Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As I understand it, on Saturday, your seat, in the respective area, is governed by how early you get in the Stadium. ie, First come first served I cannot understand the logic of that. Come half time, when most go for a drink/leak/food there will be no way of ensuring that you will return to the same seat as you have just vacated, ie it is not reserved by your ticket no Why has Mr Cortese done it this way ?? It is not the same as going down to your local Cinema to find a seat Most Football Supporters like to sit in the same seat EVERY Match, that is why so many are interested in a Season Ticket I really do not think that Mr Cortese has grasped the mind set of English Football Fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 please..please go and take your head for a POO its a fuking friendly....god knows how many friendlies that are not sell outs are unallocated...ffs, I have even been to league games up and down the country were the seats were unallocated (not at SFC mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 this is all to do with the gentryfication of football, old fogies who want to sit in the same place,with the same people for 2 hours on a Saturday. I guess it comes down to fear of the unknown which is fairly prevalent in the elderly(and some are elderly already at 35). What would these people have done if they'd been forcibly shipped off to a foreign land full of nasty diseases and nasty people trying to kill them as men were 70 years ago, probably have spent all their time complaining about not wireless access and having to slum it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As I understand it, on Saturday, your seat, in the respective area, is governed by how early you get in the Stadium. ie, First come first served I cannot understand the logic of that. Come half time, when most go for a drink/leak/food there will be no way of ensuring that you will return to the same seat as you have just vacated, ie it is not reserved by your ticket no Why has Mr Cortese done it this way ?? It is not the same as going down to your local Cinema to find a seat Most Football Supporters like to sit in the same seat EVERY Match, that is why so many are interested in a Season Ticket I really do not think that Mr Cortese has grasped the mind set of English Football Fans Can't tell how much sarcasm there is in there. As others have said, this match won't sell out so the chances are you will be able to retain the same seat for the whole tournament, however it does also give you the chance to watch the game from different viewpoints, if you like. I think it's the right decision by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As I understand it, on Saturday, your seat, in the respective area, is governed by how early you get in the Stadium. ie, First come first served I cannot understand the logic of that. Come half time, when most go for a drink/leak/food there will be no way of ensuring that you will return to the same seat as you have just vacated, ie it is not reserved by your ticket no Why has Mr Cortese done it this way ?? It is not the same as going down to your local Cinema to find a seat Most Football Supporters like to sit in the same seat EVERY Match, that is why so many are interested in a Season Ticket I really do not think that Mr Cortese has grasped the mind set of English Football Fans Interestingly, this is the reason why I am not interested in buying a season ticket. I much prefer to sit in different parts of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As I understand it, on Saturday, your seat, in the respective area, is governed by how early you get in the Stadium. ie, First come first served I cannot understand the logic of that. Come half time, when most go for a drink/leak/food there will be no way of ensuring that you will return to the same seat as you have just vacated, ie it is not reserved by your ticket no Why has Mr Cortese done it this way ?? It is not the same as going down to your local Cinema to find a seat Most Football Supporters like to sit in the same seat EVERY Match, that is why so many are interested in a Season Ticket I really do not think that Mr Cortese has grasped the mind set of English Football Fans Here is a weird idea....leave an item of clothing on the seat....Primark do some cheap ones ....I can't believe this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I have a hunch, not quite sure where from, but I think Saint Richmond might just be being sarcastic, guys. That, or he's not been a football supporter for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I hope it doesn't cause any fights with idiot season ticket holders who want to sit in the seat they've been in for years and people who just want to sit in a new place, don't be *** if someone is in your regular seat... (if you do it might not be your seat for much longer!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I will take a spanner to the game so I can take my seat down the concourse with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I have a hunch, not quite sure where from, but I think Saint Richmond might just be being sarcastic, guys. That, or he's not been a football supporter for too long. St Richmond has been an "ultra contestataire" about anything he gets a bee in his bonnet about for a long time, one of the first ultra anti-Lowe pundits together with another poster who doesn't seem to post any more. Between the two of them they preached that Lowe was leading us down the road to ruin long before it became evident to all the world,and this was back at the start of the decade,after the stadium but before Strachan. Now with Lowe gone it's anything else about SFC that displeases him I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I have a hunch, not quite sure where from, but I think Saint Richmond might just be being sarcastic, guys. That, or he's not been a football supporter for too long. Nope, he just loves a good moan at all things Saints :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 If he is, he's not being very good at sarcasm. I haven't bought tickets yet, 50/50 whether I'll be there or packing our flat into boxes (which I'll be doing for the rest of the weekend). What I CAN guarantee is that if I don't have any tickets by Friday I won't be pitching up on the day to pay Cortese Tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Nope, he just loves a good moan at all things Saints :-) Nah, I still reckon he's taking the **** on this one... surely!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Nah, I still reckon he's taking the **** on this one... surely!? seriously...no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Interestingly, this is the reason why I am not interested in buying a season ticket. I much prefer to sit in different parts of the stadium. LOL .... you can almost feel the sense of trepidation on the opening game of the season as you take your seaon ticket seat, a bit like getting on a long haul flight, hoping/praying that you are sat next to a really hot piece of pussy and not some total bumbling dribbling mongtard - knowing that this is how it is going to be every other weekend for the next 9 months For Saturday, bearing in mind we are playing a German team, (stereotypical observation ahoy......) I suggest you get up at the crack of dawn and make your way down to SMS armed with some Beach Towels (preferably SFC ones from The Club Shop) and drape them over your required viewing point and then bog off to the Bouncy Castle till the games start. Each time you wish to leave The Arena, lay out the mighty SFC towel again - jobs a good un!! - give the sausage munchers a taste of their own mdicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Cortese Tax. Just a quick sidetrack, but you do know the pay more on a match day scheme was introduced quite a while before Cortese and Liebherr arrived don't you? It was here when Lowe/Wilde were around. 'The Cortese Tax' is just a Turkishism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 19 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I have a hunch, not quite sure where from, but I think Saint Richmond might just be being sarcastic, guys. That, or he's not been a football supporter for too long. Well, even if I say it myself, I am quite a nice guy, especially in the Royal Oak before the match (When you get old, like me, it's pointless having a seat number, cos half the time you forget where you are going in the first place ) My first Match at the Dell was early Fifties ???? when the Southampton Schoolboys C/F was a lad called Perry ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 seriously...no Then I wish him all the very best in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 It's going to be CHAOS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 It's going to be CHAOS!!! It's the only reason I'm not going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As a weird aside, the bloke in the seat immediately behind me was renewing at the exact same time as me. What are the chances ? No, seriously, I want figures. Say I'd recognise maybe 5 people who are in the row directly behind me (but 2 of them are his kids so won't be pitching up to renew anyway)... there are 13000 ST renewals out there, and the time period I was there was 30 minutes of a renewal period which was 9am-5pm for 10 working days. Someone out there has got to be this bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Well, even if I say it myself, I am quite a nice guy, especially in the Royal Oak before the match (When you get old, like me, it's pointless having a seat number, cos half the time you forget where you are going in the first place ) So there really is no problem then? That's that sorted. Enjoy the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I will take a spanner to the game Why would you take SaintRichmond with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I love how its assumed Cortese makes every minor detailed decision at the club. I imagine he spent many a long hour deciding if to make this reserved seating or not..........can't take too long however, as he then needs to decide if its the smoked salmon or foie gras starter in the Markus Liebherr Suite before the game. FFS if he goes for the smoked salmon he really has no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Just a quick sidetrack, but you do know the pay more on a match day scheme was introduced quite a while before Cortese and Liebherr arrived don't you? It was here when Lowe/Wilde were around. 'The Cortese Tax' is just a Turkishism. Two things. Firstly, no it wasn't, and secondly, *I* invented the term thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Yes, Cortese does not understand these odd countries with so-called 'seats' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Two things. Firstly, no it wasn't, and secondly, *I* invented the term thank you very much. Then your memory fails you terribly. It was introduced perhaps 6 months to a year before the Swiss arrived, because the TO were struggling with HUGE queues on a match day. It was continued by Cortese. And with regards to the term, you've nothing to be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritof76 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I like the idea, I'm going to get to the stadium early, not to secure my season ticket seat...oh no; I'm going to sit in the seat in front of 'mine' just so I can see the look on the guy's face who sits in front of me every home game ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Why would you take SaintRichmond with you? So he can save me a seat :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Then your memory fails you terribly. It was introduced perhaps 6 months to a year before the Swiss arrived, because the TO were struggling with HUGE queues on a match day. It was continued by Cortese. And with regards to the term, you've nothing to be proud of. You appear to be implying that the pay on the day charge was introduced due to huge queues at the TO at a time when we were in the process of getting relegated from the Championship and having some of our lowest crowds at St Mary's - now why doesn't that make any sense ? There may have been one or two instances for friendly matches or early round cup games prior to 2010, but it wasn't a policy for all matches until last summer. My recollection is that we didn't even have it during 2009/10 under Cortese, and the £2 match day charge was introduced along with the online booking charge and phone booking fee. I quite like the term it captures the degree of brazen short-termist fan exploitation that embodies that banker spirit. I'm off to investigate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 (edited) Proof we didn't have it in March 2007 : http://web.archive.org/web/20070204064711/http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/tickets/?page_id=3 Proof we didn't have it in Feb 2009 : http://web.archive.org/web/20090207201042/http://saintsfc.co.uk/tickets/?page_id=3 Here's June 2009, with an administrator's statement, only a few weeks before the takeover, after the season had finished, and absolutely no mention of any match day additional ticket fees whatsoever : http://web.archive.org/web/20090608030116/http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10280~1635574,00.html There's only one update on the wayback machine after that, and it's Jan 2010 - but it's not loading at the moment. Even so, unless the policy was implemented between June 2009 and the takeover, I think you may have to accept that you're wrong and the matchday charge is indeed a Cortese initiative. Edited 19 July, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 The experience will stand you in good stead for your Ryanair holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 As a weird aside, the bloke in the seat immediately behind me was renewing at the exact same time as me. What are the chances ? No, seriously, I want figures. Say I'd recognise maybe 5 people who are in the row directly behind me (but 2 of them are his kids so won't be pitching up to renew anyway)... there are 13000 ST renewals out there, and the time period I was there was 30 minutes of a renewal period which was 9am-5pm for 10 working days. Someone out there has got to be this bored. The number of ST renewals is irrelavent in woking out this probability (I think), it is more a question of the available timeslot. As this was a renewal the available window of opportunity was 1st to 14th July, which includes 2 Sundays during which I believe the Box Office isn't open. So 12 available days, with an opening period of approx 8 hrs = a total renewal window of 96hrs. You have already selected the time you will attend so what is the likelihood that the other individual will arrive within 30 minutes of you (if this is the assumed queue time)? 0.5/96 = 0.52% or approx 1:200 However if you also assume a 50% possibility that this person could have renewed online then it 0.26% or 1:400. You did state that the person was renewing at 'exactly the same time', therefore if you reduce the 30 minutes to 5 minutes then the odds are: 0.833/(96*2)=0.043% or 1:2304 This of course assumes that all 96 hours were equally accessible to all customers and the likelihood is that there were peak times where the possiblity of this co-incidence would be increased. I was bored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Jesus christ. Have people really got nothing else to complain about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 St Richmond has been an "ultra contestataire" about anything he gets a bee in his bonnet about for a long time, one of the first ultra anti-Lowe pundits together with another poster who doesn't seem to post any more. Between the two of them they preached that Lowe was leading us down the road to ruin long before it became evident to all the world,and this was back at the start of the decade,after the stadium but before Strachan. Now with Lowe gone it's anything else about SFC that displeases him I guess. Richmond also backed Andrew Strode Gibbons back in the day, with the immortal phrase, "Trust me , this guy is obviously the real deal". He has a history of moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 CORTESE OUT FFS why has he followed the same policy of pretty much every saints friendly ever?!?!?! what an absolute ****. Shame on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Proof we didn't have it in March 2007 : http://web.archive.org/web/20070204064711/http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/tickets/?page_id=3 Proof we didn't have it in Feb 2009 : http://web.archive.org/web/20090207201042/http://saintsfc.co.uk/tickets/?page_id=3 Here's June 2009, with an administrator's statement, only a few weeks before the takeover, after the season had finished, and absolutely no mention of any match day additional ticket fees whatsoever : http://web.archive.org/web/20090608030116/http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10280~1635574,00.html There's only one update on the wayback machine after that, and it's Jan 2010 - but it's not loading at the moment. Even so, unless the policy was implemented between June 2009 and the takeover, I think you may have to accept that you're wrong and the matchday charge is indeed a Cortese initiative. For a long time well before the takeover, the ticket booking line recorded message stating a booking fee was payable for telephone bookings... they never charged it however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I'll be there at 2 to ensure I get my usual seat in the Chapel - best view in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I've never sat in one of the white seats. That is my whole lifes ambition. Hopefully this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I want to know where they're chucking the away mob(s), are they lumping the Germans and Spanish all in together? I can see it now - Herman: "Vy yoos sat in my zeet?", Jose: "Que?" It'll be carnage I tell ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 The number of ST renewals is irrelavent in woking out this probability (I think), it is more a question of the available timeslot. As this was a renewal the available window of opportunity was 1st to 14th July, which includes 2 Sundays during which I believe the Box Office isn't open. So 12 available days, with an opening period of approx 8 hrs = a total renewal window of 96hrs. You have already selected the time you will attend so what is the likelihood that the other individual will arrive within 30 minutes of you (if this is the assumed queue time)? 0.5/96 = 0.52% or approx 1:200 However if you also assume a 50% possibility that this person could have renewed online then it 0.26% or 1:400. You did state that the person was renewing at 'exactly the same time', therefore if you reduce the 30 minutes to 5 minutes then the odds are: 0.833/(96*2)=0.043% or 1:2304 This of course assumes that all 96 hours were equally accessible to all customers and the likelihood is that there were peak times where the possiblity of this co-incidence would be increased. I was bored! I knew this place wouldn't let me down. Not THAT unlikely then really ? He actually pitched up in the queue just before I left, so it was more of a 5 minute overlap during a 28 minute 23 second wait (I timed it for car parking rant purposes, as I like a stat to back up my arguments, and it's still on my phone) - but of course if there hadn't been a queue I wouldn't have seen him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 For a long time well before the takeover, the ticket booking line recorded message stating a booking fee was payable for telephone bookings... they never charged it however That's not even what we're discussing. "Cortese Tax" itself is the match day additional fee. However, as the person who originally coined the term, I can confirm it may be extended to include all other forms of additional revenue streams exploited by the club at any point since August 2009, e.g. car parking charge, phone booking fee, online booking fee, even the £2 more the kit costs this season - whether they're VAT-based or not. Incidentally it'll be interesting to see if the club does pass off the price rise as being due to the VAT rise, and if they also charge more for VAT-free children's sizes. They haven't mentioned it much - you can pretty much only tell from going to the online site that there's even been a price hike, and I don't know how much kids' kits were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 That's not even what we're discussing. "Cortese Tax" itself is the match day additional fee. However, as the person who originally coined the term, I can confirm it may be extended to include all other forms of additional revenue streams exploited by the club at any point since August 2009, e.g. car parking charge, phone booking fee, online booking fee, even the £2 more the kit costs this season - whether they're VAT-based or not. Incidentally it'll be interesting to see if the club does pass off the price rise as being due to the VAT rise, and if they also charge more for VAT-free children's sizes. They haven't mentioned it much - you can pretty much only tell from going to the online site that there's even been a price hike, and I don't know how much kids' kits were last year. Why should they bother to explain a price rise?. It costs them more, they charge more. I'd hazard a guess that you can't find a single clothing manufacturer/supplier exporter in the far east that hasn't increased prices in the last 12 months at least once if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 this is all to do with the gentryfication of football, old fogies who want to sit in the same place,with the same people for 2 hours on a Saturday. I guess it comes down to fear of the unknown which is fairly prevalent in the elderly(and some are elderly already at 35). What would these people have done if they'd been forcibly shipped off to a foreign land full of nasty diseases and nasty people trying to kill them as men were 70 years ago, probably have spent all their time complaining about not wireless access and having to slum it I guess. We would have been called not uber fans as we did not attend every week but we would have had the BBC and gone to every game that we could when back in the place that we know we belong. NB a lot of overseas fans are not overseas because they want to be my nipper is a saints fan even had his picture in the programme but due to where I am has only been in the UK for 8 weeks in his ten year life and can therefore not attend every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I think the OP has a very valid point. If I buy a ticket with a seat on it, then that's where I expect to sit. FFS, nobody on here would be happy if they'd bought Take That tickets for centre stalls then ended up in the upper circle on the far left. Actually - not a good example - nobody would be happy buying Take That concert tickets, but you get my drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Why should they bother to explain a price rise?. It costs them more, they charge more. I'd hazard a guess that you can't find a single clothing manufacturer/supplier exporter in the far east that hasn't increased prices in the last 12 months at least once if not more. I'm not expecting them to bother to justify any of their price hikes any more, that's for clubs with customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 There is no 'Away Section' as far as I am aware, which causes me a slight conundrum. My Mum In Law has just moved back after 30 years living in Spain, she may choose to wear her Spain or AC Bilbao shirt. Hope no-one decides to take issue as she is lovely and not very well right now (anyone got a mobility scooter I can borrow?), upset her and I'll 'snake yer'. We'll be in The Northam just like the good old days when Millwall and their ilk would infiltrate the Milton only not quite as intimidating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2011 Richmond also backed Andrew Strode Gibbons back in the day, with the immortal phrase, "Trust me , this guy is obviously the real deal". He has a history of moaning. A) Please point me in the direction of my post saying that ??? B) Who is/was Andrew Strode Gibbons ?? C) Moaning ?? I would prefer to use the word "criticise" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 20 July, 2011 Share Posted 20 July, 2011 I remember it being an issue during the mid season Bayern Munich game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 20 July, 2011 Share Posted 20 July, 2011 I will take a spanner to the game so I can take my seat down the concourse with me. your lying Pilchards .. we know your taking it home with you as a memento!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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