aintforever Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If you stand back and look at it Stern has not scored this season and had to be taken off because he was tired. You are forgetting the goal he stuffed in the net from 30 yards during the 5mins he has played this season. Only Beattie, Phillips and that bloke at Wolves out scored John last season - and that was in a struggling side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If thats the case then Alpine is wrong... If I am wrong, we are in such deep shiiiit that there is little chance that this club will avoid administration before the end of the season. There is absolutely NO motivation for stay-away fans to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 How many of Leeds players were recognised after they went down the pan? Believe me the admins will sell off anyone that is worth anything. 1 problem we have as a club is that we have shown that we are prepared to use the kids if we have too. the admins wilds use that to there advantage and sell of anyone they can leaving us with the proper kids. This is the main problem we have. Most clubs going into admin have a decent youth academy to start rebuilding with. We are using our youth academy already, so what happens when they get sold? Will the building blocks of our team be 16 year olds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Ah well at least they're being honest and coming right out with the fact that we can't afford his appearence fees so it's all about getting him off the wage bill. I'm relieved there's no crap about there being a logjam of strikers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Even though he's on loan for the season? How do we know there isnt a get-out clause for all 3 parties in January ? Maybe Watford have just told us Rasiak is coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 You are forgetting the goal he stuffed in the net from 30 yards during the 5mins he has played this season. Only Beattie, Phillips and that bloke at Wolves out scored John last season - and that was in a struggling side. Exactly. How anyone can think, from a footballing point of view, that selling a player who scored 19 goals last season in a poor team will make little difference to our side is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I will gladly join in with any protest chants that start now.and that will achieve what??? The young players dont seem too comfortable playing at home as it is , let alone if they have the distraction of chants against the board. If the club coud afford a team of superstars they'd have them, but we are broke and fans have been warb=ning us all season that EVERY player is on the for sale list. Id rather loan out Stern and keep the young players like Lallana than keep him and take a quick buck on one of them.(january that may still happen of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I don't f@cking believe it. Stern off to Bristol. Just when we need an experienced striker. God almighty what a f@cking idiotic decision. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 How do we know there isnt a get-out clause for all 3 parties in January ? Maybe Watford have just told us Rasiak is coming back. LOL Do you think Lowe would have sanctioned a get out clause that allowed us to take back someone he didn't want due to high wages. Has Hell frozen over already :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 .. we should think our selves lucky if we manage to get expensive players off the wage bill. I've never felt so lucky. Lottery numbers for me tomorrow. It's yet another myopic false economy from the club. Save a few £k's at possibly the expense of CCC survival? I'm not referring to this one transfer alone but the collective decisions in recent months. Virtually every club outside of top echelons of the Premierhship are trading at a loss - some more than others. Last person out please switch off the lights as it seems a very distinct possibility that relegation would inevitably bring administration. The continuing demise of our belovd club is very sad indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 and that will achieve what??? The young players dont seem too comfortable playing at home as it is , let alone if they have the distraction of chants against the board. If the club coud afford a team of superstars they'd have them, but we are broke and fans have been warb=ning us all season that EVERY player is on the for sale list. Id rather loan out Stern and keep the young players like Lallana than keep him and take a quick buck on one of them.(january that may still happen of course) We've given our support to the players and they've still played utter sh*te. We were chanting louder than Watford after their first and second goals, but our team didn't step up the performance in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 and that will achieve what??? The young players dont seem too comfortable playing at home as it is , let alone if they have the distraction of chants against the board. If the club coud afford a team of superstars they'd have them, but we are broke and fans have been warb=ning us all season that EVERY player is on the for sale list. Id rather loan out Stern and keep the young players like Lallana than keep him and take a quick buck on one of them.(january that may still happen of course) What i do not understand is we can afford Forecast, Robertson, Gasmi, Smith etc but not a proven goalscorer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If I am wrong, we are in such deep shiiiit that there is little chance that this club will avoid administration before the end of the season. There is absolutely NO motivation for stay-away fans to return.As I put earlier Alp I agree with you on the players returning, but WSS said that Rasiak is a season long loan and so it may be Saga likely to return. The stayaway fans are stayaway for a long time IMO. Fans who drift away due to CCC or not winning will take longer to get back than the ones who genuinely cant go due to financail restraints. When their finances look up they will return the 'only when we win' ones will take more to get them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 LOL Do you think Lowe would have sanctioned a get out clause that allowed us to take back someone he didn't want due to high wages. Has Hell frozen over already :shock: Sorry, I am desperately trying to find a logical explanation for an apparently otherwise completely and utterly stupid decision. Only thing I can come up with is that Lowe is trying to push us into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 What i do not understand is we can afford Forecast' date=' Robertson, Gasmi, Smith etc but not a proven goalscorer ?[/quote']And do yuo think that their combined wages will be as much as Johns appearance money and goalscoring bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 And do yuo think that their combined wages will be as much as Johns appearance money and goalscoring bonus? Yes. Forecast was actually first choice at Spurs when we signed him, thanks to Robinson and Cerny leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Sorry, I am desperately trying to find a logical explanation for an apparently otherwise completely and utterly stupid decision. Only thing I can come up with is that Lowe is trying to push us into administration. The only other logical explanation is that Lowe and Wilde really do not have the first idea what they are doing, and blundering into administration will be the only outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 And do yuo think that their combined wages will be as much as Johns appearance money and goalscoring bonus? frankly i do not know but wish i did do we know what John was costing us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Anyone know when the next report is out on our finances, or have I missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 And do yuo think that their combined wages will be as much as Johns appearance money and goalscoring bonus? I get it now we save a goalscoring bonus , good news in a football team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 We've given our support to the players and they've still played utter sh*te. We were chanting louder than Watford after their first and second goals, but our team didn't step up the performance in anyway.the fans were great, and have been all season. Why change it on the back of a loan that is down to financial decisions. I can't understand why it is not obvious why these players need to be shifted. If we avoid administration all decisions taken by the club has earned us 10-15 points, more than any player at the club could do.If we have the pain as well as administration then you have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Are Saints now the poorest and smallest club in this league? i never thought i'd see the day when Bristol City are a bigger club than us :-( we will be losing players to Bournmouth next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Anyone know when the next report is out on our finances, or have I missed it? It is overdue I believe. It won't say too much though as the accounts it reports on will only be up to the end of May I believe. So we'll get the financial position up to that time but not since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 the fans were great, and have been all season. Why change it on the back of a loan that is down to financial decisions. I can't understand why it is not obvious why these players need to be shifted. If we avoid administration all decisions taken by the club has earned us 10-15 points, more than any player at the club could do.If we have the pain as well as administration then you have a point. Johns goals last season easily earnt us more than 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 You sound very sure of this. It was rumoured the more expensive players could go for free in the summer just to get them off the wage bill. id say all our players are for sale at sensible offers. free transfers will be the very very end of the line. but admins would be happy to take the highest offer no matter how silly. i hate being in this situation but considering how many times stern has played this season and how well he has done in this system it really isnt that much of a loss and could like someone else has said be the opening for skacel to play more. if finances are that tight then our defence is what needs the experince right now. I feel confident that Lallan, McGoldrick, Holmes, Morgan and even BWP will bag a few goals each. None of them will be prolific but in order to win when not scoring many we need to make sure we are not letting them in at the other end. Maybe Skacel at LB will be more regular and Killer will get some of his form back? lots of ifs but you can see my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 It is overdue I believe. It won't say too much though as the accounts it reports on will only be up to the end of May I believe. So we'll get the financial position up to that time but not since then. So it will be a "reflection on the previous owners" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 the fans were great, and have been all season. Why change it on the back of a loan that is down to financial decisions. I can't understand why it is not obvious why these players need to be shifted. If we avoid administration all decisions taken by the club has earned us 10-15 points, more than any player at the club could do.If we have the pain as well as administration then you have a point. No goals = relegation anyway. relegation to League 1 = administration anyway. Rather get it over and done with now in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Hmmm, thats a bit worrying we now have three teeny bopper strikers with all the physical presence of a wet blanket! Whats this Patterson Character in the reserves like? It looks like he maybe getting the call sooner than we all thought assuming he's not yet another midget to come out of our specialist dwarf academy! Clutching at straws but maybe it's time for Euell to refind his goal scoring touch, he was pretty hiighly rated as a youngster and we sure as hell need someone to start banging the goals in! Maybe leicester will loan us Howard he may not be total football but he knows where the goal is at. I really really can't believe just how far we have fallen in such a short space of time maybe it's time to face the reality that maybe saints won't be here forever afterall? I'm not so sure the current economic climate is going to make poping in and out of administration the straight forward procedure it has been for other clubs. Lets hope we don't go the way of Acrington Stanley and Aldershot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 So it will be a "reflection on the previous owners" then. Yep. Crouch will get the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I get it now we save a goalscoring bonus ' date=' good news in a football team[/quote']I understand where you are coming from but with these star players they are a package and with that comes all the costs, not just the goalscoring bonus but the appearance money etc. We will almost certainly get appearance money from BC as well and so that is more money to come in that may well make us able to sign an older player or give a better contract to Lallana to keep him for another season. Only the club and bank know our real financial position, but it cant be rosy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 No goals = relegation anyway. relegation to League 1 = administration anyway. Rather get it over and done with now in my opinion.you better give up and wave the white flag. We have accumalated 11 points without John and so it is not the end of the world as i know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 you better give up and wave the white flag. We have accumalated 11 points without John and so it is not the end of the world as i know it And scored a whopping 11 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I understand where you are coming from but with these star players they are a package and with that comes all the costs, not just the goalscoring bonus but the appearance money etc. We will almost certainly get appearance money from BC as well and so that is more money to come in that may well make us able to sign an older player or give a better contract to Lallana to keep him for another season. Only the club and bank know our real financial position, but it cant be rosy. Lallana signed a 3 year contract at the end of the summer. We won't be offering him better terms until that is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 the fans were great, and have been all season. Why change it on the back of a loan that is down to financial decisions. I can't understand why it is not obvious why these players need to be shifted. If we avoid administration all decisions taken by the club has earned us 10-15 points, more than any player at the club could do.If we have the pain as well as administration then you have a point. We wont avoid administration. And I dont understand how you still fail to see the bad feeling this causes is going to backfire into a false economy due to even further slumping ticket sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Only the club and bank know our real financial position, but it cant be rosy. Since we are talking about a publicly listed company, the rest of us have to be told - eventually. Though I have to conceed that Mike Wilde seems particularly adept at avoiding this issue, he has experience with Merlion of failing to submit accounts, of course.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 We wont avoid administration. And I dont understand how you still fail to see the bad feeling this causes is going to backfire into a false economy due to even further slumping ticket sales. thats the catch 22 that we are in though. and its probably the completly wrong time to have a board that is widly hated. Anyone else in charge other than the main culprits and there may be more support at what is trying to be done. The only thing IMO that will make our situation a litle easier is for the team to turn a corner and start bagging decent results. This will bring a few more fans back and we may actually look like getting out of the mess. If they are not up to it though (and it hasnt looked like they are as yet) then each decission and each result will just make the situation worse and we will slowly head towards administration which will pretty much kill our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 you better give up and wave the white flag. We have accumalated 11 points without John and so it is not the end of the world as i know it On Tuesday when John played he was able to hold up the ball and help keep possession which helped the team. I have not seen another striker play this season who can do that. I've also not seen a player who is capable of scoring from outside the box which John managed at Rotherham. If we are relying on the lazy McGoaldrought to do this we are in serious trouble. I really really really hope to be proved wrong starting tomorrow at Swansea but these days like alot of other fans i know i look forward to the day out rather than the football :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Why don't they save the wages of a couple of the many average midfielders, instead of our best striker? Lowe and Wilde are a disaster. I wouldn't let them run a school tuckshop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Why don't they save the wages of a couple of the many average midfielders, instead of our best striker? Lowe and Wilde are a disaster. I wouldn't let them run a school tuckshop. It's ridiculous, we sign Pekhart and Robertson neither of those have really impressed me. Then we also have Pulis and Gasmi who have been here a couple of months and not even played yet. Would rather we kept John those those four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 It's ridiculous, we sign Pekhart and Robertson neither of those have really impressed me. Then we also have Pulis and Gasmi who have been here a couple of months and not even played yet. Would rather we kept John those those four. Yes, but didn't you know Lowe is a good businessman! I bet Nick Holmes wouldn't swap his squad at Salisbury with the crap that we have now. Mike Wilde, football first, you are a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If we're loaning out all our high earners regardless of whether they could do a job for us, perhaps it's time to loan out Rupert and Cowan. How much are they paid for their part time role, and can we really afford it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I have watched Exeter a couple of times now since we luckily beat them in the cup and their progress under very stringent budget is commendable. They would definitely beat The Saints now and it hurts me to say that. The coach Tisdale is streets ahead of good old JP but then again Tisdale is allowed to run the side and decide for himself what his team will be and who joins the squad. That should be our case but the Director of Football will just not leave the coach alone. Not that he has proved himself yet even with severe restrictions he leaves a lot to be desired as a coach. Let us now hope that good old Lowey brings in a few more loans to keep the others company on the bench or in the treatment room. It has become a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 We've given our support to the players and they've still played utter sh*te. We were chanting louder than Watford after their first and second goals, but our team didn't step up the performance in anyway. I moved from Northam to Itchen this season -getting older eyes not so good! I thought our support was disappointing compared to Watford, understandably, on Saturday. They were a lot louder for a majority of the game. To be fair they had more to shout about. At one stage, after a lengthy period of loud Watford chanting they went quiet for short period, to be met with the 3-0 and you still don't sing -sang at half the volume (and high pitched!) -was bit embarassing. I don't think we have given great support to the youngsters so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Absoloutely terrible decision, where the foooook will the goals come from now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Are Saints now the poorest and smallest club in this league? i never thought i'd see the day when Bristol City are a bigger club than us :-( we will be losing players to Bournmouth next. Nah, Norwich are in the same position as us at the moment, but unlike us, they have an owner who has passion for the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Why don't they save the wages of a couple of the many average midfielders, instead of our best striker? Lowe and Wilde are a disaster. I wouldn't let them run a school tuckshop. guessing it would take half a dozen of the youngsters to match his wages -and he is in demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Yes. Forecast was actually first choice at Spurs when we signed him, thanks to Robinson and Cerny leaving.[/QUOTE] I think that is overstating things a bit ! He was last man standing and still never got a game ! Since then they signed a few crap keepers to replace him which kinda shows how highly they rated him in the first place ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 How do we know there isnt a get-out clause for all 3 parties in January ? Maybe Watford have just told us Rasiak is coming back. alpine -makes a change you thinking of a positive explanation whilst I was struggling! Due loan fees ever get made public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Absoloutely terrible decision, where the foooook will the goals come from now ? Stern John has scored one league cup goal for us this season. He's played about 5 whole games for one poxy goal against Rotherham when we had already lost. He is not a miracle goal scorer this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 alpine -makes a change you thinking of a positive explanation whilst I was struggling! Due loan fees ever get made public? No,but feel free to make up any figure you like and bandy it about as absolute,gospel fact. Like Alpine saying we made a loss on A.Davies, not true of course, but hey,it sounds good and lends weight to your incessant moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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