itchen Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 From the Guardian website: Wenger began the tour by declaring his determination to keep Nasri this summer was so absolute that he would be prepared to lose him on a Bosman free transfer next year, and he ended it with a stinging rebuke to his Manchester City counterpart Roberto Mancini, who has said that he still hopes to sign the midfielder by the end of the month. "This comment is out of order," Wenger said, before addressing the issue of its disrespect. "I cannot say otherwise. These comments are not allowed. They are against the basic rules of football and he should be informed [of that]. "I don't know what should be done. I don't spend my time worrying about what other people say because we are focused on our game. But what we want is respect and we don't make these comments about players who are under contract at other clubs. It's time football in England came back to these basic rules." http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/16/arsene-wenger-manchester-city-mancini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 (edited) From the Guardian website: Wenger began the tour by declaring his determination to keep Nasri this summer was so absolute that he would be prepared to lose him on a Bosman free transfer next year, and he ended it with a stinging rebuke to his Manchester City counterpart Roberto Mancini, who has said that he still hopes to sign the midfielder by the end of the month. "This comment is out of order," Wenger said, before addressing the issue of its disrespect. "I cannot say otherwise. These comments are not allowed. They are against the basic rules of football and he should be informed [of that]. "I don't know what should be done. I don't spend my time worrying about what other people say because we are focused on our game. But what we want is respect and we don't make these comments about players who are under contract at other clubs. It's time football in England came back to these basic rules." http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/16/arsene-wenger-manchester-city-mancini http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/01/24/2320474/arsenal-manager-arsene-wenger-reveals-interest-in He said: "We will try now. We need an agreement with Southampton. We need an agreement with the player, and we are not the only ones on the case. But we try as hard as we can as I like him as a player." Arsene, you really are a first class pr1ck! Edited 16 July, 2011 by Sheaf Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 Here here the guy really is an Arsehole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eesti matty Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 He's lost the plot and his influence is waning. Hypocritical idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 He's lost the plot and his influence is waning. Hypocritical idiot. Here here the guy really is an Arsehole What do you expect he's a flaming Frenchman we have been at odds with them longer than we have with the blue few down the M27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEADAMS Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Always the same with him. Doesn't like the treatment back that he dishes out to others. Nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 wonder if any journalists will pick up on the hypocritical comments? They really do make him look like a plumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 wonder if any journalists will pick up on the hypocritical comments? They really do make him look like a plumb. No they wont, they need the big managers to feed them quotes, they arent going to kill the goose that lays their golden eggs. Thats why old 'arry gets away with blue murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 why the thread he does it all the time..they all do it....and will always be hypocrits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Was thinking the same thing the other day actually! Lost a lot of respect for him after his AOC comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I'm glad somebody posted this as I couldn't believe the gall (no pun intended) when I read his comments about Mancini. It's probably early onset senility added to the fact that it is coming apart at Arsenal. He'll **** himself in a post match interview next and blame Alex Ferguson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I cant stand the frog w@nker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Talking out of his Wenger. There there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch Ender Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 No they wont, they need the big managers to feed them quotes, they arent going to kill the goose that lays their golden eggs. Thats why old 'arry gets away with blue murder. You're right that there's not going to be an article taking him to task about it. But it is the sort of thing that the Observer's 'Said and Done' column may well pick up on when it resumes after the season starts - exposing hypocrisy is its stock in trade. They've certainly drawn attention to Redknapp's bull plenty of times, e.g. see http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/16/said-done-fifa-eddie-howe. Someone could always write in to the journo there drawing his attention to Wenger re AOC etc. - but then as DD says they all do it so what's the point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Wenger has always been a one-eyed, whinging hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 He doesn't see us as a proper club. Not just us - any side not in the Prem. Fair game and different set of rules to him. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Wenger is a c*nt. It's fantastic watching Arsenal fall apart. If Chamberlain has any brains he would go to City, Liverpool or Utd if he ever leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Outstanding manager. Yes it is all falling apart at the moment and yes he never sees the bad incidents and yes he talks a load of shoite, but a Wenger team in full swing, is amazing to watch. He took them from the most boring team in English football, to the most exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 He took them from the most boring team in English football, to the most exciting. I would not go that far, watching Bolton on the Sunday live match takes some beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Outstanding manager. I agree with that. Arsenal fans calling for his head have such short memories. Mind you if we had £1000+ season tickets then I think I'd probably have an equally short memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I agree with that. Arsenal fans calling for his head have such short memories. Mind you if we had £1000+ season tickets then I think I'd probably have an equally short memory. Doubt we'll be much cheaper than that after a couple of seasons back in the prem. (if/when we get there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I would love it, LOVE IT, if we keep hold of Oxo this season. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Doubt we'll be much cheaper than that after a couple of seasons back in the prem. (if/when we get there) I hope not, but fear you might be right. As Alan Sugar once said, with all the sky money fans could watch for free if the clubs wanted. If we ever did get promoted we could be realistic with wages and keep ticket prices the same as in the Championship. Never going to happen. A club might possibly do that, a football business never would. That's the one disappointing thing (boy I know I am being unrealistically greedy here) about Marcus saving us is that he didn't appear to have any intention of turning us back into something resembling a club, even eventually giving the club away to the fans. Perhaps it was for the best, can fans and those people appointed by fans to run it (Barca Style) ever be trusted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 It just looks like to me that NC is going to make us pay for our success. Our ST prices are extremely high for a club just promoted to the NPC, compared to other clubs in the league. But I suppose it's justified by ambition. Paying more is fine by me if that extra money is invested in the first team, bringing more on the field success, bringing more income to reinvest etc etc. I just worry that NC is going to see us as bigger than we are as we move on through the leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Awesome manager and an outstanding addition to the English game that should be applauded fir many things, namely diet a d nutrition, fitness, education if young players, standards off field and refusal to play "ale house 442 football" that so many stupid, ignorant "ingerland" fans demand from our national team that has held us back fir a generation or more. Let's be straight here - if Arsenal were to win anything (I don't include the carling cup as anything) it would be an outstanding achievement due to the awesome football they play and their lack of expenditure. The alternative is one if 2 things: clubs owned by foreign billionaires (ahem) buying their way to success with little regard to legacy or management, or doing a united/ Liverpool (or skates actually) and just pilling on more debt each season. Neither are the football I want my kids to grow up watching. I fully expect most if the clowns on here that hate wenger/ arsenal etc are also the sort of neanderfals that scream at their kids to "launch it", "row z", "get stuck in to em" etc, laugh when exceptional young players like Ramsey get their legs broken by thugs (sorry "proper English football players) like Shawcross and blame multiple trophy winning legend Capello for England not being World beaters which screaming at Wallcott to "track back and get stuck in you fairy, should have stayed at Saints and learned the hard way in league 1". I genuinely am embarrassed to be English sometimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 JackanorySFC - wow that is such a massive over-reaction, if anything is embarrassing it is your post. I don't see how Wenger's attributes that you highlight above prohibit in any way most of the negative views on this thread. His teams might play some great football and he's forgotten ten times what any of us will ever know about football BUT he is still a whinging hypocrite. He acts like a child when things don't go his way but is unapologetically self-righteous when others might be in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 (edited) What Jackanory and Gemmel said - not too long ago 'boring boring Arsenal' was pretty much the norm. Yes he has his faults, but plays the game the right way and rarely resorts to the chequebook. Edited 18 July, 2011 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 And I bet his players love him for it - as do uniteds players at Fergies breathtaking hypocrisy, and if course a certain "special one" too. But your right, these winners have no place in football, let's hound em out - we need more honest, salt of the earth types like big sam, pearcy and incey for young aspiring English managers to look up to - good honest Englishman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 (edited) Sfc Edited 18 July, 2011 by JackanorySFC Double post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 As I've alluded to in another thread, I think most people are capable of hypocrisy. The only difference between most people and the likes of Wenger is that "most people" are not in the public eye. As others have mentioned, he's not the only football manager to engage in such double standards. Makes me wonder why he is a specific target. Being French probably doesn't help. Anyways, Arsenal were not a fun team to watch before Arsene took over. Not only do they play attractive football, they've also won things. Not for a while, granted - but Wenger's contribution to the English game has to be assessed in totality. Personally, I think football historians will be much kinder to Wenger than the people who are currently deriding him for a bit of the ol' hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 From today's Football365 Mediawatch: Do As Arsene Says... Mediawatch actually quite likes Arsene Wenger. And one of the reasons is that he makes our job relatively easy for us sometimes. In response to some (actually reasonably ambiguous) words from Roberto Mancini about Samir Nasri, Wenger said on Saturday: "These comments are not allowed. They are against the basic rules of football and Roberto Mancini should be informed. What we want is respect - we will not comment on footballers at other clubs. It's time football in England came back within basic rules...This comment is absolutely out of order." And Arsenal suit Ivan Gazidis followed up on Monday: "We don't do our business in public." Well quite. However, Wenger is apparently a student of the 'Do what I say, not what I do' school of pious self-righteousness. Here are a selection of his comments about Marouane Chamakh before he joined Arsenal last summer and he was very much still under contract with Bordeaux: July 3, 2009: "Yes, but only in the event of a departure." (After being asked if he was interested in Chamakh.) July 18, 2009: "Chamakh is one of the players we've followed and if we need to go for a striker he's a possibility. We're keeping an eye on him." August 4, 2009: "I like Chamakh, he is a forward that attracts me...I am in no rush...Chamakh would be good, but there are other options should we wish to pursue them." Out of order indeed. In fact, Arsene's complaint was rather familiar, as Bordeaux's president Jean-Louis Triaud said in September 2009: "What I do not like in the behaviour of Arsène Wenger, who is doing this again today, is that at the beginning, he declared his interest in Chamakh, a long time before calling me. Then he ended up doing so. And now, Mr Wenger is starting again, again starting to put doubt in the mind of the player. And I don't find that very correct." Quite so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 And I bet his players love him for it - as do uniteds players at Fergies breathtaking hypocrisy, and if course a certain "special one" too. But your right, these winners have no place in football, let's hound em out - we need more honest, salt of the earth types like big sam, pearcy and incey for young aspiring English managers to look up to - good honest Englishman! So if you think Wenger is a whinging hypocrite then according to JackanorySFC then you must also like Sam Alladyce. Sorry but life isn't as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 So if you think Wenger is a whinging hypocrite then according to JackanorySFC then you must also like Sam Alladyce. Sorry but life isn't as simple as that. Having a fully armed and operational sarcasm detector, I saw what JackanorySFC was saying all along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Wenger's not won anything for donkey's years for a club of Arsenal's stature and their team DOES lack a back bone. Can you imagine Chelsea or Man Utd going to Newcastle and surrendering a 4-0 lead in 45 minutes. In fact, they should have lost that game as Leon Best also had a perfectly good goal disallowed. He makes a point of not spending money that is made available to him every season and as a result, suffers as their title challenge falls by the wayside after Xmas almost every season. Yes, Arsenal play some pretty football, if at times rather self indulgent. The fact they often struggle against more physical sides does highlight that such an approach can work for them. The fact Wenger moans though about such an approach is laughable though. I don't recall him complaining much when the likes of Adams, Keown, Vieira and Petit were kicking lumps out of the opposition less than 10 years ago. They have been crying out for a competent goalkeeper, a dominant centre half, proper winger and an out and out, truly world class forward for longer than I care to remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 So if you think Wenger is a whinging hypocrite then according to JackanorySFC then you must also like Sam Alladyce. Sorry but life isn't as simple as that. OK, was hoping I didn't have to spell this out to you hey ho.... Imagine fir one minute you manage a player of the immense talent that Samir Nasri possesses. A rival top 4 Prem Club with limitless cash have publically and privately announced they want to sign him, do you shut up and hope your private assurances to the player are heeded or go on the offensive and denounce the comments made by the rival club and allude their reasoning behind going public is a lack of class bought on by their "new money" attitude. Ok, a few picky idiots on some Internet forums will notice your hypocrisy and pat themselves on the back at how much more intelligent they are than you but hey, if it gives you a 1% higher chance of keeping the player that ripped England to shreds in a friendly not long ago then it's well worth a shot! Now imagine your Nasri and your heads being turned by a new club up north that recently purchased the player you hate more than any other (a certain temperamental African striker) but pays huge wages. You love being part if the arsenal project and love the faith your manager has in you and the system but do his private assurances really amount to anything? Oh hold on he's gone public at City, fair play he and the club mean business in wanting to keep me. It's what Fergie, Jose and any other remotely successful manager would do. The alternative is "straight talking" losers in the ilk of big sam, pearcey and incey - hence my inalogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Jackanory, i think you've just described what any top level manager has been guilty of regarding talking about other team's players. Redknapp is absolutely the worst at it, forever talking about players from other teams and how "e's a triffic player" while denouncing any other manager who does the same with his players. It's got nothing to do with nationality, so I'm not sure how valid your Big Sam et al comparisons are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Jackanory, i think you've just described what any top level manager has been guilty of regarding talking about other team's players. Redknapp is absolutely the worst at it, forever talking about players from other teams and how "e's a triffic player" while denouncing any other manager who does the same with his players. It's got nothing to do with nationality, so I'm not sure how valid your Big Sam et al comparisons are. true...arry is a complete **** at talking to the press....last jan he was publically saying "why cant spurs win the league...we are going for it" and after they kept dropping points against the bottom teams...he quickly changed his tune... arrys latest is saying spurs cant really afford to buy scott parker....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 18 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Erm, when I started this thread it was to point out a seeming difference in the way Mr Wenger conducts his own business from what he expects of others. I made no comment on his other abilities as a manager, his Frenchness or the the attractiveness of the football his team plays. FWIW, I (and I suspect most people) would far rather watch one of his teams than one managed by Allardyce or Ince. That doesn't mean Mr Wenger is exempt from all criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Jackanory, i think you've just described what any top level manager has been guilty of regarding talking about other team's players. Redknapp is absolutely the worst at it, forever talking about players from other teams and how "e's a triffic player" while denouncing any other manager who does the same with his players. It's got nothing to do with nationality, so I'm not sure how valid your Big Sam et al comparisons are. My point is simple, Im nit suggesting fir 1 minute that he's not a hypocrite - Im merely responding to the tools that despite posting on a football forum clearly either don't like football (if they did they'd appreciate the outstanding football that wenger promotes that any neutral that truely loves the game should appreciate) or just not understand it - and call him: A pr**k A French w@nker A c**t As I say, embarrassing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 OK, was hoping I didn't have to spell this out to you hey ho.... Imagine fir one minute you manage a player of the immense talent that Samir Nasri possesses. A rival top 4 Prem Club with limitless cash have publically and privately announced they want to sign him, do you shut up and hope your private assurances to the player are heeded or go on the offensive and denounce the comments made by the rival club and allude their reasoning behind going public is a lack of class bought on by their "new money" attitude. Ok, a few picky idiots on some Internet forums will notice your hypocrisy and pat themselves on the back at how much more intelligent they are than you but hey, if it gives you a 1% higher chance of keeping the player that ripped England to shreds in a friendly not long ago then it's well worth a shot! Now imagine your Nasri and your heads being turned by a new club up north that recently purchased the player you hate more than any other (a certain temperamental African striker) but pays huge wages. You love being part if the arsenal project and love the faith your manager has in you and the system but do his private assurances really amount to anything? Oh hold on he's gone public at City, fair play he and the club mean business in wanting to keep me. It's what Fergie, Jose and any other remotely successful manager would do. The alternative is "straight talking" losers in the ilk of big sam, pearcey and incey - hence my inalogy. OK you make a fair point, and I understand what you're getting at. But what kind of comments did you expect on here? "Jolly good Arsene, you have been wronged and are clearly correct in what you say, and we completely forgive you for trying to unsettle our rising star AOC during the January transfer window"..? Get real. Criticising another manager for these tactics is one thing, but look at his quote regarding Mancini's comments about Nasri... don't know what should be done. I don't spend my time worrying about what other people say because we are focused on our game. But what we want is respect and we don't make these comments about players who are under contract at other clubs. So not only is he being just a tad hypocritical, he is also being an outright liar when he claims that he and Arsenal would never resort to the same tactics, when he has been guilty of it many many times. But hey ho, you must be right. He is a fantastic manager (and I haven't seen any comments claiming otherwise on this thread) therefore we must just shut up and forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 18 July, 2011 Share Posted 18 July, 2011 Erm, when I started this thread it was to point out a seeming difference in the way Mr Wenger conducts his own business from what he expects of others. I made no comment on his other abilities as a manager, his Frenchness or the the attractiveness of the football his team plays. FWIW, I (and I suspect most people) would far rather watch one of his teams than one managed by Allardyce or Ince. That doesn't mean Mr Wenger is exempt from all criticism. This. The point being made is that Wenger can't have his cake and eat it. This is no reflection on his abilities as a manager, coach, or dream date - in any walk of life broadcasting the message do as I say, not as I do, tends to get up peoples noses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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