Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 O come off it...Morgan is far better than Jaidi...he's a liability. He has been absolutely outstanding in the two season with us and played a huge part in our promotion and you call him a liability? How many headers did he lose all season? 5, 6 perhaps? How much do you know about Morgan? For my sins I watch Forest a lot (brother in law is a fanatic Forest fan) and Wes is prone to the odd clumsy oaf like moment himself.
Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 He does a job, but I think he'll struggle with the pace this season, and won't be fit enough to play every game. Still believe wqe need to bring in someone of Fonte's standard to play alongside him. if one comes in one would have to go out. Four centre backs is enough.
The Kraken Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 He does a job, but I think he'll struggle with the pace this season, and won't be fit enough to play every game. Still believe wqe need to bring in someone of Fonte's standard to play alongside him. I agree, but I'm pretty sure we were saying exactly the same thing at this point last year; that he might get caught out for pace, and that he wouldn't be able to play twice in one week. Didn't quite happen that way. It's not as if he's massively over the hill, he's 35, and never really relied on pace in any case. With a decent pre-season behind him he may well yet surprise quite a few people. Certainly I think we'd struggle to find anyone as dominant as the big man.
Saint Garrett Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Although I agree he was good last season, I watched him on quite a few occasions away from home last year and he was torn to pieces. At the moment I think we're going to realy struggle when we play against someone with a few quick players up front. None of Dickson, Harding, Butterfield and Richardson are particularly fast either. I wuould be quite happy for us to bring in someone else who is better than Jaidi and loan Martin or loan/sell Seaborne out. And FYI I do actually watch Forest quite a bit as I live in Sheffield and have a close family friend that also lives here who is a forest fan so go to about 5/6 forest games a season. Morgan doesnt look like hes happy on the ball, but rarely does he lose it or miss headers. Plus he is still young.
Crazy Diamond Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Adam Le Fondre mentioned on this forum again then. Speaking to a journo who covers a lot of Yorkshire clubs, he thinks he's already had a word with Keith 'the farmer' Hill about joining him at Barnsley. Rotherham want a substantial fee though, getting on for £2 million. Not sure how that'll work out - Barnsley can't afford that much and Rotherham are overpricing him a tad.
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Can't believe people are ready to resign Jaidi to the dustbin for being over the hill and yet still argue Connolly has a lot to offer. Jaidi is exactly what we need in this division, he is the perfect foil for Fonte, a mountain and a big horrible lump. Think back to Darren Moore in his Derby days. The problem is you can't have everything, yes he will occasionally be beaten for pace but he won't miss much in the air, and thats important. What we need is a replacement for Jaidi like for like, we don't need another footballing CB and Seaborne/Martin are not aggressive enough.
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Please explain as I see no link. Mellor - proven he's not great so far in championship, didn't excel in league 1, failed top flight, not young, overweight, slow. Le fondre - hasn't had a chance in higher leagues yet, younger, technically better, faster, more in demand, more expensive. Don't write off players because of league, actually study the player. sorry but we should be and probably are (sharp) aiming a tad higher than league 2 strikers..
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 sorry but we should be and probably are (sharp) aiming a tad higher than league 2 strikers.. Don't just write players off because of the league they ply their trade, bear in mind Charlie Austin who was playing non-league football not too long ago. Not that I think Le Fondre is what we need. But then IMO we don't need Sharpe either. Guly and Barnard will pose the biggest threat to teams this year but I think we need some pace around the front line aswell. We shall see.
Badger Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Can't believe people are ready to resign Jaidi to the dustbin for being over the hill and yet still argue Connolly has a lot to offer. Jaidi is exactly what we need in this division,What we need is a replacement for Jaidi like for like, we don't need another footballing CB and Seaborne/Martin are not aggressive enough. Agree that Jaidi,on form and fit, is perfect for the year ahead although stil think he will need resting . As for Martin,I think he could be the aggressive CB we need along Fonte, but he will only start to assert himself once more experienced.
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Agree that Jaidi,on form and fit, is perfect for the year ahead although stil think he will need resting . As for Martin,I think he could be the aggressive CB we need along Fonte, but he will only start to assert himself once more experienced. He just doesn't seem dominant enough for me, I would be much happier playing against Martin than Jaidi, and I am more of a pacey striker then a bustling target man. Martin just doesn't give me the impression that he would put me through a brick wall to get the ball where as Jaidi does.
NickG Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 ... just doesn't give me the impression that he would put me through a brick wall to get the ball where as Jaidi does. tbf that could apply to just about every CB around - compared to Jaidi!
craigthesaint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Beattie been spotted all around town today! could we about to see the return of the man whose iconic cupping of his ear to skates after scoring deserves a contract in itself or is he just down here visiting the wifes family? Not saying that he is signing or that I want him too but the words "smoke" and "fire" spring to mind but I suppose we have plenty of fireman on here to ensure that it doesn't get out of hand.
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 tbf that could apply to just about every CB around - compared to Jaidi! But it gives you something to think about. Think Richard Dunne, Terry, Vidic, etc etc Think Killer. I think we missed out on the young CB from Bournemouth aswell, who went to the skates, can't remember his name but he seemed to have a dominant streak in him aswell.
NickG Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 last 10 games or so, Jaidi must have been up there as one of our best players
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 I bloody hope we don't resign that tw*t why is he a ****..? could be a decent shout for us..
craigthesaint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Might be a tw*t but still love him for his taunting at them lot down the road and even you must think that it was brilliant that a tw*t wound up 3000 tw*ts
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 why is he a ****..? could be a decent shout for us.. Over-rated, egotistical, arrogant big head. We could do better. And we already have one lazy target man we don't need another, added to the fact that he is the wrong side of 30, and only really had around 2 decent seasons in his career, if reports were to be believed was a destabilizing dressing room influence and would want a lot of cash. IMO we need pace, not has beens. Might be a tw*t but still love him for his taunting at them lot down the road and even you must think that it was brilliant that a tw*t wound up 3000 tw*ts True
Crazy Diamond Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Would Beattie want to come back here? He couldn't wait to leave back in 2004 and 2005.
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Would Beattie want to come back here? He couldn't wait to leave back in 2004 and 2005. to be fair...we were on the road to mother-fuking hell...god knows what some of the players thought knowing the muppets we had running the club
1976_Child Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 O come off it...Morgan is far better than Jaidi...he's a liability. one's a midfielder the other is a defender.
Crazy Diamond Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 to be fair...we were on the road to mother-fuking hell...god knows what some of the players thought knowing the muppets we had running the club True. If he could replicate his form at Sheffield United I'd be happy to have him back, but that would be unlikely due to age and the pecking order. Also, Anthony Gardner will be signing for Reading.
doggface Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Jaidi is one of the best defenders I've ever seen in the air. Footwork not so good but he got alot fitter after being dropped early in the season and was immense. His lack of pace is his main weakness but he will be vital for certain games next season. He was brum's best player in their championship winning season but got let go to us on a free due to his lack of pace going into the prem which is a different pace altogether.
Dellman Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Why all this Beattie madness--just because he taunted the Cheats? He's past it and on the way down, we're on the way up and he's the last type we need...no thank you!
dubai_phil Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Think we're possibly looking in the wrong place again. We need a good striking cover but someone who will improve and be able to step up to the PL. Should be googling Serie B & Lower Serie A teams to see who NC's mates have found for us this year
paulwantsapint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Can't we ask claus if he knows of any killer style players in the Viking lands
chocco boxo Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Beattie is as about as much good as Muffin the mule is!
captainchris Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 From what we saw from Cork at the tender age of 19... From what I and others have seen of Cork at Burnley over the last few seasons, including the Premiership... From how the Burnley fans are absolutely gutted that we have nabbed him from there grasp... It's fair to say, he's a quality signing It has f*** all to do with the fact he has signed from Chelsea, and nobody has said so. He is a very good young English Midfielder, who was going to find it rather hard to break past the likes of Lampard, Essien, Mikel, Ramieres etc, hence why he wanted to move on. Oh dear.....more premature massiah worshipping......wait and see........wait and see........
Bearsy Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Oh dear.....more premature massiah worshipping......wait and see........wait and see........ This'll be a ****ing boring forum in no-one's allowed to speculate, you tw*t.
Crab Lungs Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Why do people keep harping on about Jaidi and pace? If he was in the Conference, he'd struggle against pace. If he was in L2, he'd struggle with pace. In L1, he struggled against pace. In the NPC, he'll probably struggle against pace. However, just because we've gone up a league doesn't mean every player is instantly faster. They're better footballers, but pace varies. Jaidi will need to be rested a times so therefore we'll need cover/competition, but he'll do us just fine for the NPC when he does play.
saintscottofthenortham Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Oh dear.....more premature massiah worshipping......wait and see........wait and see........ How is it messiah* worshipping!? He is a good signing, fact. Yes, there are better players than him in England at the moment, but guess what helmet, we aint Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal. We have just been promoted to the 2nd tier of English Football and have signed a player clearly many people in the world of football rate, myself and many many Saints Fans included. That doesn't mean I am going to have a party in my pants, just means that I am happy to see that our signings have started to look on the upside (signing young english talent) rather than signing players that I have never heard of and come from a country I had never heard of. It's so easy for you to give it the "Wait & See" and act all smarmy, why dont you "Wait & See" and maybe hold back from looking silly when you realise he is in fact miles past Dean Hammond in footballing ability. Smarmy f*ck.
Crab Lungs Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 How is it messiah* worshipping!? He is a good signing, fact. Yes, there are better players than him in England at the moment, but guess what helmet, we aint Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal. We have just been promoted to the 2nd tier of English Football and have signed a player clearly many people in the world of football rate, myself and many many Saints Fans included. That doesn't mean I am going to have a party in my pants, just means that I am happy to see that our signings have started to look on the upside (signing young english talent) rather than signing players that I have never heard of and come from a country I had never heard of. It's so easy for you to give it the "Wait & See" and act all smarmy, why dont you "Wait & See" and maybe hold back from looking silly when you realise he is in fact miles past Dean Hammond in footballing ability. Smarmy f*ck. Can't disagree with that. If you know anything about football, you can see that Jack is an exceptionally gifted technical footballer. Sure, he's young and still learning but he's got the touch of a PL player, that's for sure.
bowers-sfc Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 jaidi is quality!!! Although he does have the turning circle of a 18 wheeler when he has the ball
up and away Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Originally Posted by Chez very good point. Remind me who the scout is and had he been watching players abroad in advance of joining us? Did he ever actually join us? I remember an article about it two or three months ago in some foreign paper but cant remember anything from the club. He isn't listed on club staff list on the OS either. According to the article he was appointed, but I would have expected this to have been confirmed on the OS. His function was to set up a scouting network abroad and it was obvious that he had talks with us. Whether he has got into trouble for talking out of turn I don't know, but if we made the appointment there was obviously a need. Either Jakob Friis-Hansen is doing that job or someone else is?
Saint Charlie Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Why would the club need to say they have appointed a scout? They wouldn't usually tell fans as there is no real need for us to know.
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Can't we ask claus if he knows of any killer style players in the Viking lands Bit harsh Muffin used to be pretty good up front
Saint Garrett Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Why do people keep harping on about Jaidi and pace? If he was in the Conference, he'd struggle against pace. If he was in L2, he'd struggle with pace. In L1, he struggled against pace. In the NPC, he'll probably struggle against pace. However, just because we've gone up a league doesn't mean every player is instantly faster. They're better footballers, but pace varies. Jaidi will need to be rested a times so therefore we'll need cover/competition, but he'll do us just fine for the NPC when he does play. I think its more the fact that we can get away with one or two 1 on 1s in L1, but in the Championship, the strikers will be far more clinical.
Crazy Diamond Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Meanwhile, in Leicester... Yakubu is on his way permanently and they've had a bid rejected for Jack Colback of Sunderland.
Colinjb Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Yakubu is on his way permanently and they've had a bid rejected for Jack Colback of Sunderland. There are a few Evertonians I know who will be livid at that.
Pat from Poole Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Martyn Waghorn. This is a random name, but he's a good striker, and if Leicester have just signed Yakubu.......
SO16_Saint Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 to be fair...we were on the road to mother-fuking hell...god knows what some of the players thought knowing the muppets we had running the club That is probably the best description of that era I've heard!!
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 Someone Jackson has less than a year left on his Norwich contract and Lambert has brought in 7 new faces already. I would love it it we snapped him up, break the bank Nicola, he is just what we need to push for promotion.
Turkish Posted 17 July, 2011 Posted 17 July, 2011 There are a few Evertonians I know who will be livid at that. Why? DId they want to sign Jack Colback?
david in sweden Posted 18 July, 2011 Posted 18 July, 2011 (edited) sorry but we should be and probably are (sharp) aiming a tad higher than league 2 strikers.. I'd have to agree that if I thought NAs best shot was an ordinary L2 striker, I'd be more surprised than I would disappointed. Quite a few of the leading scorers around today started in non-League football rather than someones Prem. Academy. The perennial Kevin Phillips (now 37) and still going strong was rejected by Saints as a junior and found his way to Premiership football and an England shirt via a non-League club. IF Lambert plays all season and ends up with 10 goals then we'll know he's found his level, but what will you say if he ends up in the top 5 strikers in CCC this season ? Everyone has to start somewhere and only time will tell if (someone) is good enough to score goals in all 4 divisions. Not the BEST example, but Brett Ormerod did ..and he started with non League with Accrington 20 years ago... .......and NO ...I don't think we should sign him, either. (Example only)... personally, I think NA will sign a recognised striker with a good record. Edited 18 July, 2011 by david in sweden
Window Cleaner Posted 18 July, 2011 Posted 18 July, 2011 but what will you say if he ends up in the top 5 strikers in CCC this season ? That we'd got an awful lot of penalties???? At the expense of repeating myself ad infinitum Lambert is not a hot shot striker,or at least he wasn't last season, he scored 21 goals of which 8 were penalties.He may do sterling work in the build up phase and slot away spot kicks very prettily but compared to Murray and CMS he wasn't a great goalscorer last season. Barnard was our best open play goalscorer.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 July, 2011 Posted 18 July, 2011 I'd love us to swoop for jeff gradidge....... Outstanding non league player
Glasgow_Saint Posted 18 July, 2011 Posted 18 July, 2011 That we'd got an awful lot of penalties???? At the expense of repeating myself ad infinitum Lambert is not a hot shot striker,or at least he wasn't last season, he scored 21 goals of which 8 were penalties.He may do sterling work in the build up phase and slot away spot kicks very prettily but compared to Murray and CMS he wasn't a great goalscorer last season. Barnard was our best open play goalscorer. You haven't been to a game in 10 years!! Plus you have proved many times that you're clueless!
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2011 Posted 18 July, 2011 You haven't been to a game in 10 years!! Plus you have proved many times that you're clueless!
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