shurlock Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 (edited) Jack Cork was on my wish list earlier this summer. He is the sort of player we should be looking at young and hungry. Lucas Jutkeiwicz would be worth a look. Other players i'd be interested in if i was Nige are Alex Smithies & Joe Lewis in goal. Peter Clarke from Huddersfield at the back, although this would depend on the progress of Martin and the legs of Jaidi, a loan might be better (see below) Sharp and Maynard are two strikers i'd be interested in and it seems we are although how much mileage are in these we dont know. I'd also like to see us look at good young players on loan, from Arsenal Lansbury would be a good option to have, Frimpong and Craig Eastmond are good players who we may get on loan. From Chelsea Patrick van Aanholt & Jeffrey Bruma, both on loan at Leciester last season and dutch u21 players. Either would be a good option at the back if it's a season too far for Jaidi. A lot depends for us this season on the legs & fitness of Connolly & Jaidi. Only they and Nige know how their bodies and how well they'll hold up. Therefore it might be next season before we push the boat out to replace them. All players that are realistic and would improve the team and squad. I dont think we need major surgery, just prehaps a couple of quality additions, be that permenants or loans. As i say, i am leaning towards a couple of season long loans and see where Jaidi and Conolly take us, if they stay fit they are already top half Championship players. Certainly no room in my squad for Reading reserves that had a couple of good games for us against midtable league one sides. So instead you blindly pull out Chelsea and Arsenal reserves - not very difficult to do the same. But why would any of the aforementioned players add value in the areas we need? Or do they just sound good in the same way Owen and Parker sound good? I assume you haven't seen either aanholt or bruma play - both are fancy-dan, lightweight fullbacks, though bruma plays at CB as well as RB. Both played in a side that leaked plenty of goals - so much for a hardened, experienced player to take the mantle of Jaidi (ultimately signing L1 Peltier was seen as a better option). Last time I saw Lansbury was eyeing up a move to another Prem side, so why it seems odd that he would join us. Similarly, why we would want either Frimpong or Eastmond, both DMs except if we're collecting them for fun or think Morgan, Deano and Cork aren't good enough? Sharp and Maynard, as we've discussed endlessly on here, are both nonstarters, leaving the likes of Smithies and Lewis in goal (remind me why we need another keeper) and Peter Clarke who turns 30 this season (hardly young and hungry). Difficult business posting constructive comments, isn't it? Edited 16 July, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 Complete rubbish, I'm afraid. Indeed he is. Whilst at times people on here can get carried away about how good we are, where we are going etc signing Antonio would show a club and a manager completely lacking in ambition and going nowhere. This discussion MIGHT have been relevant if we were still in League 1. Thank god we are not. Please move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 So instead you blindly pull out Chelsea and Arsenal reserves - not very difficult to do the same. But why would any of the aforementioned players add value in the areas we need? Or do they just sound good in the same way Owen and Parker sound good? I assume you haven't seen either aanholt or bruma play - both are fancy-dan, lightweight fullbacks, though bruma plays at CB as well as RB. Both played in a side that leaked plenty of goals - so much for a hardened, experienced player to take the mantle of Jaidi (ultimately signing L1 Peltier was seen as a better option). Last time I saw Lansbury was eyeing up a move to another Prem side, so why it seems odd that he would join us. Similarly, why we would want either Frimpong or Eastmond, both DMs except if we're collecting them for fun or think Morgan, Deano and Cork aren't good enough? Sharp and Maynard, as we've discussed endlessly on here, are both nonstarters, leaving the likes of Smithies and Lewis in goal (remind me why we need another keeper) and Peter Clarke who turns 30 this season (hardly young and hungry). Difficult business posting constructive comments, isn't it? What are you some kind of post critic? Ffs, bring back hypo all is forgiven. Just out of interest, who is on your wish list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 (edited) So instead you blindly pull out Chelsea and Arsenal reserves - not very difficult to do the same. But why would any of the aforementioned players add value in the areas we need? Or do they just sound good in the same way Owen and Parker sound good? I assume you haven't seen either aanholt or bruma play - both are fancy-dan, lightweight fullbacks, though bruma plays at CB as well as RB. Both played in a side that leaked plenty of goals - so much for a hardened, experienced player to take the mantle of Jaidi (ultimately signing L1 Peltier was seen as a better option). Last time I saw Lansbury was eyeing up a move to another Prem side, so why it seems odd that he would join us. Similarly, why we would want either Frimpong or Eastmond, both DMs except if we're collecting them for fun or think Morgan, Deano and Cork aren't good enough? Sharp and Maynard, as we've discussed endlessly on here, are both nonstarters, leaving the likes of Smithies and Lewis in goal (remind me why we need another keeper) and Peter Clarke who turns 30 this season (hardly young and hungry). Difficult business posting constructive comments, isn't it? And people like you are the reason i dont bother anymore, the know it all posters such as yourself, this post being a classic example. A post assuming i have never seen any of these players play and just plucked a few names out of the air by looking at Arsenal and Chelsea squad. Jumping into a discussion with their arrogant and patronising i know it all attitude. Chez asked who are in the boundaries of the sort of player we should be looking at, i answered. Regardless of if they are non starters as per your comment re Sharpe and Maynard, turning 30 this season or eyeing a move to the premier league. These are the level and type of player we should be looking at. Not premier league players and England internationals or championship reserve team players. Want to tell us who you think we should be interested in so we can rip your potential signings apart? Edited 16 July, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 What are you some kind of post critic? Ffs, bring back hypo all is forgiven. Just out of interest, who is on your wish list? Nah, just using Turk's own criteria -realism and match- to hold him up to his own very high standards? And manning up and engaging on the detail rather hiding behind a smokescreen of sarcasm. It doesn't take Hypo to point out that we should be signing players where we have obvious gaps -and hopefully they're also a better than what we've got but my view is no better or worse than yours. Neither are trivial points. All I know is that we need a CB, CF and perhaps a winger - or at least that's the consensus on here is that we do. With the exception of Clarke and Jutkeiwicz (I assume Maynard and Sharp are dead in the water), none of HCDAJFUs meet those criteria. I would also bet that somebody like aanholt is not infinitely better than Harding or Dickson, though that's not necessary to make my point. Check the other threads for CBs and CFs on my wishlist. Off the top of my head - Anthony Gerard (did wonders on loan to Hull but in limbo at Cardiff), Jack Hobbs (when he was still available), Liam Fontaine -maybe take a cheeky look at a Forest CB if their financial sitution is to be believed; re. CFs, Leroy Lita, Ishmael Miller, Diomansay Kamara (when he was still available) etc, though again they are not really relevant to the point at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 And people like you are the reason i dont bother anymore, the know it all posters such as yourself, this post being a classic example. A post assuming i have never seen any of these players play and just plucked a few names out of the air by looking at Arsenal and Chelsea squad. Jumping into a discussion with their arrogant and patronising i know it all attitude. Chez asked who are in the boundaries of the sort of player we should be looking at, i answered. Regardless of if they are non starters as per your comment re Sharpe and Maynard, turning 30 this season or eyeing a move to the premier league. These are the level and type of player we should be looking at. Not premier league players and England internationals or championship reserve team players. Want to tell us who you think we should be interested in so we can rip your potential signings apart? My point is a simple one - that we should be aiming to improve agreed gaps in the squad. DM and fullbacks don't seem to be ones, though the Arsenal DMs you mention have real potential. See my point below for names. I'm not claiming to know more than anyone - not what I'm about. I just like a frank, direct exchange, so fire away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 Check the other threads for CBs and CFs on my wishlist. It's a kind invitation but I can't be arsed. The tone of your posts tell me that you're always right so I'm not gonna indulge you with an exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 when the "collective" voice of saintsweb speaks......said player is crap/doomed/not good enough etc etc vassell was past it for us in league 1 but antonio in the NPC...????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handyman Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 So let me get this straight. You saw him play and he was playing against a team worse than he would have faced when at Saints. Played worse than at Saints and we now playing at a higher level, yet you'd love to have him back? Please explain the logic in this. Perhaps being well managed, coached, and infused with the current Saints team spirit might well do the trick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 Saying he isn't good enough because he isn't a regular starter at a team in the same divison is from the 7 year-old playground school of dimwitted logic that says that because Saints beat Man U and Man U beat Arsenal, Saints are better than Arsenal (or Man U, for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 In fairness as much as Turkish is pretty much the only one speaking sense in this thread, I'm pretty sure Lansbury is being touted as being given a chance at Arsenal this season and if not I think Norwich would be all over him as well as others in the Prem plus further to that Bruma joined Hamburger SV with Frank Arnesen quite a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 (edited) when the "collective" voice of saintsweb speaks......said player is crap/doomed/not good enough etc etc vassell was past it for us in league 1 but antonio in the NPC...????? ever thought that those idiots that wasted their breath about Owen night not be the same posters happy for an Antonio return? 21k posts suggest to me that you form a considerable part of the saintsweb collective that you are mocking. Actually between you and Turkish, there seems to be more mocking than debate on here. Give it a break for 5 minutes and tell us who you think we should bring in. Edited 16 July, 2011 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 Anyone with more than 9,000 posts needs to get out more (not delldays, hes sound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 ever thought that those idiots that wasted their breath about Owen night not be the same posters happy for an Antonio return? 21k posts suggest to me that you form a considerable part of the saintsweb collective that you are mocking. Actually between you and Turkish, there seems to be more mocking than debate on here. Give it a break for 5 minutes and tell us who you think we should bring in. Agreed. Both of them are tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 And people like you are the reason i dont bother anymore, the know it all posters such as yourself, this post being a classic example. A post assuming i have never seen any of these players play and just plucked a few names out of the air by looking at Arsenal and Chelsea squad. Jumping into a discussion with their arrogant and patronising i know it all attitude. Chez asked who are in the boundaries of the sort of player we should be looking at, i answered. Regardless of if they are non starters as per your comment re Sharpe and Maynard, turning 30 this season or eyeing a move to the premier league. These are the level and type of player we should be looking at. Not premier league players and England internationals or championship reserve team players. Want to tell us who you think we should be interested in so we can rip your potential signings apart? Am I the only one who thinks this post is ironic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 ever thought that those idiots that wasted their breath about Owen night not be the same posters happy for an Antonio return? 21k posts suggest to me that you form a considerable part of the saintsweb collective that you are mocking. Actually between you and Turkish, there seems to be more mocking than debate on here. Give it a break for 5 minutes and tell us who you think we should bring in. who should we bring in... IMO our first 11 (with cork) will do OK...around 8-14th IMO but lets say we needed a CB and a striker CB - Hobbs, Ayala, Bikey, clarke (from hudds) Striker - Sharp, mellor, DJ Campbell, Inges, Rhodes, Afobe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 who should we bring in... IMO our first 11 (with cork) will do OK...around 8-14th IMO but lets say we needed a CB and a striker CB - Hobbs, Ayala, Bikey, clarke (from hudds) Striker - Sharp, mellor, DJ Campbell, Inges, Rhodes, Afobe I'm not sure what you are saying. Do we `need' a CB and striker or not? What should our ambition be? DJ Cambell almost got in the England squad, I'd be surprised if he didn't get a move to someone in the top flight. If he doesn't he's a great shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 July, 2011 Share Posted 16 July, 2011 I'm with Jamie on Rhodes and can't believe I forgot him an excellent striker who is young and talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I'm with Jamie on Rhodes and can't believe I forgot him an excellent striker who is young and talented. I've been to all four Saints Terriers games since we went down. Their whole side was lively in the first game. He got two but I don't remember him standing out. We were woeful. He did jack **** in the return (once we actually had a defence), got 10 minutes last season at their place and didn't play in the return. Difficult for me to assess him. What kind of player is he? Looking back over last season he seemed to be the guy they always subbed and he was often on the bench. He still scored 20 goals, which is a very good sign, but he was taken off after around 65 minutes (or even at half time) a fair amount if times. Should we read anything into that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 when the "collective" voice of saintsweb speaks......said player is crap/doomed/not good enough etc etc Lol, careful... Our insolence is starting to grate on people now! Fall back in line, TDD.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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