conaero Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 One name springs to mind that has not been talked about for ages and that is Michail Antonio.....remember him! Anyway, there must be a reason we dont hear his name mentioned, anyone know anymore...hows he playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Really rated him and when I look back at old highlights on SaintsPlayer, he always seemed to look good. Maybe an option if we well AOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 He isn't even in contention at Reading anymore, saw a rumour a few weeks back linking him with Crawley on a loan deal. He's totally fallen away for some reason, he was good for us that season but I wouldn't really want him back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 He isn't even in contention at Reading anymore, saw a rumour a few weeks back linking him with Crawley on a loan deal. He's totally fallen away for some reason, he was good for us that season but I wouldn't really want him back now. He has never really been given a chance at Reading. I would definately still take him for a small fee, loads of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Was extremely raw when he played for us. Could be an ok backup - and has pace and power. Could do a job and potential but his final ball was frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I wouldn't be interested in paying proper money for him but if Reading were willing to get rid of him for £100k-200k he would be worth having as an impact/squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Although he did have potential he often tended to run with his head down & his close touch wasn't particularly great. He wasn't that aware of his teamates around him. Having said that he did have a good game at Wembely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 (edited) I thought he only signed a 1 yr extension last year (although I think this was an automatic clause that Reading invoked anyway). So he should be a free agent, albeit with a development fee, unless he's since signed a longer deal? Seems unlikely as I don't think he even started a game last year? Just checked on Soccerbase and he made 24 appearances last year, and scored 1 goal. Not sure how many starts though, but has only ever made 4 starts in total in Lge and Cup. Not sure whether he'd be worth a punt, or we should be looking a tad higher now. I suspect the latter... Edited 15 July, 2011 by Saint Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 (edited) Really rated him and when I look back at old highlights on SaintsPlayer, he always seemed to look good. Maybe an option if we well AOC old lang syne and all that ..of course we did get Chaplow back (at a good price) and Jack Cork ..also for what history may regard as (a very good price) but the old saying " never go back " often rings true. Antonio is all the things you said, and he had a good half-season upto and including the JPT Final, but looking at the present squad line-up ..we have a lot of what I would have called (in the old days) ...wingers! The current favourite is of course, Alex O-C. and then there is Jonathan Forte, and a revived Lee Holmes. N'Guessen has n'gone back to Leicester and, it seems, also Dale Stephens to Oldham. Chaplow and Schneiderlin may not be out-and-out wingers but they are right sided...so how many more do we need. True, Gobern has gone, and Puncheon (hopefully) has one foot out of the door... but who else is there? Holmes has shown he can also play on the left, and so too Dickson, though Lallana seems to fit in anywhere. So do we really need more wide men ? I'm still hoping Cortese's bankroll ...(that didn't go to Donnie or Bris. City,) may yet get us another big striker, but not ANOTHER winger ..please. Edited 15 July, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Still don't get this love in thingy with Antonio, he is in no way better than what we have, he is definitely not Premier standard, and that is where we are aiming for. Let him be L1 at best imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Still don't get this love in thingy with Antonio, he is in no way better than what we have, he is definitely not Premier standard, and that is where we are aiming for. Let him be L1 at best imo. I don't think anyone's saying he is better than what we have but if he was very cheap he would be an ok option when we wanted to give Chamberlain a rest. This assumes we will play with a right "winger" though. We may well play some different shapes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I have a mate who is a Reading ST holder, he cannot get over our admiration for him. His words were "i'll drive him down to you myself from what i've seen of him" which granted isn't very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 He has never really been given a chance at Reading. I would definately still take him for a small fee, loads of potential. He's probably never been given a chance because he's not good enough or doesn't fit in with their game plan. I really doubt that Reading wanted to keep him but they took up a contract extension option just because they thought it was an easy 400K screw from us. NC doesn't do getting screwed over so Antonio stayed at Reading and has probably cost them nearly as much as they thought they'd do us for.This is why you have to be very careful about keeping on bit part players,5000£ a week for doing absolutely f-all is a lot of money. I think Saint's have too many bit part players already,even want to see some outs,so Antonio? no thanks,not while Jonno Quick is already here doing not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I doubt he's on anything like £5k per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I was, and remain, a big fan of Antonio. The reason for this is not just his abilities, which admittedly were quite raw. What impressed me most about him during his time with us was the vast improvement that he showed. At the beginning, he was quick but ran down blind alleys and his finishing was sometimes comical. By the end, he made good decisions most of the time that he got the ball, retained the ability to beat defenders and also improved vastly in his finishing. If we had signed him permanently after that, I think he could have developed even more during last season and would now be ready to take the Championship by storm. Instead, he went back to Reading where he could not get a game so he has stagnated. I would welcome us signing him, though not for the fee of 500k that Reading reportedly turned down from us a year ago. I think 100k would be about the going rate for a player that can't get in a Championship side and who scored a few goals in L1 a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Exactly, for £100k he's worth having around. We only have one out and out right winger (and he thinks of himself as a central midfielder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I doubt he's on anything like £5k per week. I think 8K is about the average for the NPC so even a young bit part player would be on at least half of that. Doubt if there are many NPC first teamers or peripheral first teamers on less that 5K myself. You only have to look at our player costs in the last available accounts to work out that there aren't many even at SMS on less than 5K a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Exactly, for £100k he's worth having around. We only have one out and out right winger (and he thinks of himself as a central midfielder). Yes- and he seemed to have a good attitude, always gave everything he had and he definately improved throughout the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I think 8K is about the average for the NPC so even a young bit part player would be on at least half of that. That doesn't follow at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I think 8K is about the average for the NPC so even a young bit part player would be on at least half of that. Doubt if there are many NPC first teamers or peripheral first teamers on less that 5K myself. You only have to look at our player costs in the last available accounts to work out that there aren't many even at SMS on less than 5K a week. Sorry - but the average CCC player is not on 8k per week. More like an average of 4-5. If that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I think 8K is about the average for the NPC so even a young bit part player would be on at least half of that. Doubt if there are many NPC first teamers or peripheral first teamers on less that 5K myself. You only have to look at our player costs in the last available accounts to work out that there aren't many even at SMS on less than 5K a week. We don't have many players we signed from non-league on their first professional contract though do we? He had a one year extension to a contract he signed when he was a teenager playing at Tooting. He'll be on about £1k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I would have guessed the average first team player in the NPC is on about 12k/week. Just an assumption though - no idea really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 We don't have many players we signed from non-league on their first professional contract though do we? He had a one year extension to a contract he signed when he was a teenager playing at Tooting. He'll be on about £1k a week. Aaron Martin might have qualified, until 11 days ago when he signed a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 He had a one year extension to a contract he signed when he was a teenager playing at Tooting. He'll be on about £1k a week. So he should now be out of contract ??? Isn't though. A K a week for a player in the NPC is laughable,the PFA wouldn't allow it to happen. He will be on at least 4K,probably more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 So he should now be out of contract ??? Isn't though. A K a week for a player in the NPC is laughable,the PFA wouldn't allow it to happen. He will be on at least 4K,probably more now. I can't see that the PFA would have any interest in a player earning significantly above minimum wage who has signed a contract of employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 So he should now be out of contract ??? Isn't though. A K a week for a player in the NPC is laughable,the PFA wouldn't allow it to happen. He will be on at least 4K,probably more now. That first contract ran out at the end of the season he was with us (summer of 2010), he signed a new deal until 2013. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/reading/9031012.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I would have guessed the average first team player in the NPC is on about 12k/week. Just an assumption though - no idea really. There are facts and figures available. In 2006 there was a big survey amongst professional footballers which gave an average of about 650K/annum in the EPL and 200K in the CCC, since then evidence indicates that salaries have roughly doubled so 400K a year in the NPC ie 8K a week.You'd have to look really hard to find a player on a K a week in the NPC and it surely isn't M Antonio.3K a week is about average in League 1 now so no player is going to accept less than that from an NPC club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 That first contract ran out at the end of the season he was with us (summer of 2010), he signed a new deal until 2013. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/reading/9031012.stm so not a 1 year extension then, a whole new long term contract. Not going to accept a K a week for that is he now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I'd rather have papa back. What's the latest news about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 So he should now be out of contract ??? Isn't though. A K a week for a player in the NPC is laughable,the PFA wouldn't allow it to happen. He will be on at least 4K,probably more now. Complete rubbish, I'm afraid. He may well be more than that now he has signed a brand new contract (I didn't know he had, I was mistaken) but your assertion that just because he is on the books of a Championship club means he must be on at least £4k is rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Still don't get this love in thingy with Antonio, he is in no way better than what we have, he is definitely not Premier standard, and that is where we are aiming for. Let him be L1 at best imo. From what I've seen I'd take him over Forte anyday. He might not be Oxo standard but I reckon he has potential. For a small fee /free he'd be well worth having back his speed used to scare the **** out of full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 From what I've seen I'd take him over Forte anyday. He might not be Oxo standard but I reckon he has potential. For a small fee /free he'd be well worth having back his speed used to scare the **** out of full backs. How many minutes of game time have you seen Forte play? How many starts? He has hardly been given a chance in order to make much of a judgement. Plus he has played roughly 100 games at Championship level and thus far more experience at the level Saints are competing at this season than Antonio has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 How many minutes of game time have you seen Forte play? How many starts? He has hardly been given a chance in order to make much of a judgement. Plus he has played roughly 100 games at Championship level and thus far more experience at the level Saints are competing at this season than Antonio has. Ah, MLG just the man. Please confirm that there are plenty of Championship players who earn less than £4k per week. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Yes, there are plenty (although depends if your definition of "plenty" matches with mine ). Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Yes, there are plenty (although depends if your definition of "plenty" matches with mine ). Why do you ask? Window Cleaner thinks that the notion of any Championship player earning £1k or £2k per week is ridiculous and that the PFA wouldn't allow it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 The PFA have no power to stop it. Some players for teams like S****horpe last season would be on tiny wages. Also how much does he think Ben Reeves and Ryan Doble are on? They are both Championship players for Saints with the 1st team in Switzerland, their contracts will be easily below £4k (I suspect a long, long way below). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Window Cleaner thinks that the notion of any Championship player earning £1k or £2k per week is ridiculous and that the PFA wouldn't allow it?! out of interest benjii,what would your estimate of the salaries of say Forte,Dickson,Martin and Harding be ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 out of interest benjii,what would your estimate of the salaries of say Forte,Dickson,Martin and Harding be ??? Forte, Dickson and Martin will be on 1-3k per week, Harding maybe slightly more (4-5k max) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 out of interest benjii,what would your estimate of the salaries of say Forte,Dickson,Martin and Harding be ??? Not sure. I reckon Forte is probably on about £3k p/wk, maybe £4k. Dickson similar. Harding maybe slightly more. Martin last season was probably on about £600-700 per week. Hard to say now; it depends how seriously other clubs were interested in him. If we really rate him and the likes of West Ham were interested then who knows... could be on more than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 How many minutes of game time have you seen Forte play? How many starts? He has hardly been given a chance in order to make much of a judgement. Plus he has played roughly 100 games at Championship level and thus far more experience at the level Saints are competing at this season than Antonio has. Which tells you a lot right there Antonio got more game time in the same team (one with out oxo in I admit) than Forte. Out of interest how long does one have to watch two players decide which one they rate more. Is there a pedant code for such things. I've never seen Messi play in person but I know I'd swap him for Barnard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Which tells you a lot right there Antonio got more game time in the same team (one with out oxo in I admit) than Forte. Quite a significant and relevant admission tucked away in the brackets. Plus Antonio didn't have Guly to compete with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Antonio had a fairly good season in LEAGUE 1 playing for a pretty good Southampton side which missed out on promotion, I think we have moved on now and he does not belong on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Is Forte a wide player? The comparison between him and Antonio seems pointless unless he is. If Antonio was available for 50k again then I think even despite having gone up, he would be worth a punt. He clearly has his faults - ball control being one of them at times - but he offers something very different: immensely powerful and pacey direct running. Would it be effective in the championship? I think it might. Whether we need him or not I guess depends if you are happy with Guly playing on the right in Alex's absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I'd rather have papa back. What's the latest news about him He's spending allot of time with his brother Shango. Rumor has it they're thinking of making an experience on this weeks RAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Is Forte a wide player? The comparison between him and Antonio seems pointless unless he is. If Antonio was available for 50k again then I think even despite having gone up, he would be worth a punt. He clearly has his faults - ball control being one of them at times - but he offers something very different: immensely powerful and pacey direct running. Would it be effective in the championship? I think it might. Whether we need him or not I guess depends if you are happy with Guly playing on the right in Alex's absence. Forte certainly isn't a wide right player. I agree, it's a pointless comparison. I think Forte will only ever be a sub or a player who starts league cup matches etc. But he is lightening quick so is a useful squad player in certain situations. He probably knows that, Adkins probably knows that. Everyone knows that. Doesn't mean we can't sign another fast player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 I heard on the Grapevine a few weeks back we were interested in him. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 How many minutes of game time have you seen Forte play? How many starts? He has hardly been given a chance in order to make much of a judgement. Plus he has played roughly 100 games at Championship level and thus far more experience at the level Saints are competing at this season than Antonio has. Soooooo ........what's your point-is Antonio not as good or better. FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN Antonio is a better player - how's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Maybe it is because he is/was ****e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 Maybe it is because he is/was ****e? This He had a decent season with us at a time when we were not overly blessed with wide men and were starting afresh to build a new team. We now have Lallana, Oxo, Chappers, Dickson, Holmes, Mills, Guly, Forte, Puncheon. What would the point be of having yet another wide man ? And especially now Adkins is starting to move away from Pardews kick and run football (not all that egotistical pr*cks fault but a sign of the lack of quality we had) and more a technical game then how would a player that technically was not all that (couldn't control, cross or pass very well) fit in ?? Antonio had a decent run with us and a decent cup final, but I never saw a player with any real potential, I said long ago he would never set foot in the prem and would be a lower league CCC player. I see no evidence that I will be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 July, 2011 Share Posted 15 July, 2011 This He had a decent season with us at a time when we were not overly blessed with wide men and were starting afresh to build a new team. We now have Lallana (great), Oxo (fantastic), Chappers (Awful out wide), Dickson (meh), Holmes(won't last five games), Mills (don't expect him to be around), Guly (lost out wide much better in the middle), Forte (not a wide player apparently established in posts above), Puncheon (your kidding right?). What would the point be of having yet another wide man ? (as shown above most of those have problems plus he ****es all over them, maybe not jono quick, for pace) And especially now Adkins is starting to move away from Pardews kick and run football (not all that egotistical pr*cks fault but a sign of the lack of quality we had) and more a technical game then how would a player that technically was not all that couldn't control, cross or pass very well) I think we were watching different players, yes he was raw when he arrived but got much better while he was here fit in ?? Antonio had a decent run with us and a decent cup final, but I never saw a player with any real potential, I said long ago he would never set foot in the prem and would be a lower league CCC player. I see no evidence that I will be wrong. Can't agree with a lot of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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