Pilchards Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 After reading a thread on rumours from ludwiq?!? about the 4-3-3 it got me thinking about the 5 year plan. IMHO it's not about bankrolling our way into Europe but more about paying the good players we have well and keeping the promising one's Oxy, Prowse & Shaw. Of course you won't achieve it with just that but it's the youth setup that holds the key. Getting some good ex pro's like Williams & Dodd can only help us get them ready for the near future by playing the 'Barca way' which I believe is how it's setup from the under 8's and upwards. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 I don't think we'll be able to keep them for long enough to have sustained success. Maybe we can keep them longer than before which is always a bonus. I think if you are correct then it is still ambitious. I think with stability there is no reason why we can't regularly qualify for the uefa cup. Any more than that though is unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 After reading a thread on rumours from ludwiq?!? about the 4-3-3 it got me thinking about the 5 year plan. IMHO it's not about bankrolling our way into Europe but more about paying the good players we have well and keeping the promising one's Oxy, Prowse & Shaw. Of course you won't achieve it with just that but it's the youth setup that holds the key. Getting some good ex pro's like Williams & Dodd can only help us get them ready for the near future by playing the 'Barca way' which I believe is how it's setup from the under 8's and upwards. What do you think? Well Williams and Dodd certainly played the Barcelona way during their careers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 After reading a thread on rumours from ludwiq?!? about the 4-3-3 it got me thinking about the 5 year plan. IMHO it's not about bankrolling our way into Europe but more about paying the good players we have well and keeping the promising one's Oxy, Prowse & Shaw. Of course you won't achieve it with just that but it's the youth setup that holds the key. Getting some good ex pro's like Williams & Dodd can only help us get them ready for the near future by playing the 'Barca way' which I believe is how it's setup from the under 8's and upwards. What do you think? Big difference is Barca, being one of the biggest 3 clubs in world, can hold on to their kids. We do not have that luxury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Big difference is Barca, being one of the biggest 3 clubs in world, can hold on to their kids. We do not have that luxury That's not entirely true They lost Fabregas to Arsenal when he was 17 and they also initially lost Pique to Man Utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 That's not entirely true They lost Fabregas to Arsenal when he was 17 and they also initially lost Pique to Man Utd more true than false expect they kept the good ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 more true than false expect they kept the good ones And can get those that left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Barca lose quite a few nippers to other clubs, but that's besides the point. It's the best model to follow, especially when you are focusing on youth players, so I'm all for it. Don't think it will impact the 1st team for some time though. We really are at our best when playing a flat 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 This would fit with us being the new Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 I'm always slightly uncomfortable with being compared to a Club that has 160,000+ Members, all shelling out £75 a year (and that's a restricted membership, although you can join the three year queue for £100+ a year with no guarantee of ever becoming a member). I'm all for positive thinking, ambition and thinking the unthinkable, but I think Turkish needs to be reined in!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Every club has a Barca vision. We will never be winning the Champions league with a team made up of academy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 I'm always slightly uncomfortable with being compared to a Club that has 160,000+ Members, all shelling out £75 a year (and that's a restricted membership, although you can join the three year queue for £100+ a year with no guarantee of ever becoming a member). I'm all for positive thinking, ambition and thinking the unthinkable, but I think Turkish needs to be reined in!!!!! But, but, but. What about our catchment area? The fact we have no other clubs for competition around us, like Bolton, Fulham and Stoke do? What about Corteses vision? We have a catchment area of 1.7m, we only need 10% of those to become Saints members and we will have more than Barcelona. At my work in Reading there are 5 Saints fans in around 100 staff, this proves we are already the club 5% of the world supports. ANYTHING is possible, didn't they once man would never get on the moon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 What about mount everest ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 After reading a thread on rumours from ludwiq?!? about the 4-3-3 it got me thinking about the 5 year plan. IMHO it's not about bankrolling our way into Europe but more about paying the good players we have well and keeping the promising one's Oxy, Prowse & Shaw. Of course you won't achieve it with just that but it's the youth setup that holds the key. Getting some good ex pro's like Williams & Dodd can only help us get them ready for the near future by playing the 'Barca way' which I believe is how it's setup from the under 8's and upwards. What do you think? I think we'll be able to keep the youngsters for a bit longer mainly due to the fact that the environmental aspects (training, supporting facilities etc) will be top notch, offer them first team football and there would be a togetherness from group of players that have grown up with each other. I'm not sure about the coaching side, but would have thought that could be improved when the club go into the premier league. As for the 4-3-3 Barca way - tactical I understand they are going to tinker with it. I'm not sure what Adkins will try to do, but 4-4-2 is still standard in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 But, but, but. What about our catchment area? The fact we have no other clubs for competition around us, like Bolton, Fulham and Stoke do? What about Corteses vision? We have a catchment area of 1.7m, we only need 10% of those to become Saints members and we will have more than Barcelona. At my work in Reading there are 5 Saints fans in around 100 staff, this proves we are already the club 5% of the world supports. ANYTHING is possible, didn't they once man would never get on the moon? With regards catchment area, I think maybe we will have to wait a few years until Technological Developments allow us to massage our geographical position and/ore global warming kicks in. I would suggest: 1) Filling in the Solent, to join us to the Isle of Wight (or dragging the island closer to us). 2) Getting an angle grinder down to the north of Portsmuff and cutting them adrift, letting them drift to form another Channel Island (or anchor them down by South Georgia). 3) Wait for Sandbanks to erode, Poole harbour floods and Bournemuff goes totally under. 4) Recreate the County of Southamptonshire and start a civil war with London/England to reintroduce a local "Catalan Style" fighting spirit to the City/County. 5) Design a new flag for the County (get Gecko on it straight away). 6) Develop conscription for the Southampton Home Independence Territorial Team Emergency Regimental Squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 With regards catchment area, I think maybe we will have to wait a few years until Technological Developments allow us to massage our geographical position and/ore global warming kicks in. I would suggest: 1) Filling in the Solent, to join us to the Isle of Wight (or dragging the island closer to us). 2) Getting an angle grinder down to the north of Portsmuff and cutting them adrift, letting them drift to form another Channel Island (or anchor them down by South Georgia). 3) Wait for Sandbanks to erode, Poole harbour floods and Bournemuff goes totally under. 4) Recreate the County of Southamptonshire and start a civil war with London/England to reintroduce a local "Catalan Style" fighting spirit to the City/County. 5) Design a new flag for the County (get Gecko on it straight away). 6) Develop conscription for the Southampton Home Independence Territorial Team Emergency Regimental Squad Not forgetting there should be easy transportation for the expected 55k+ fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 With regards catchment area, I think maybe we will have to wait a few years until Technological Developments allow us to massage our geographical position and/ore global warming kicks in. I would suggest: 1) Filling in the Solent, to join us to the Isle of Wight (or dragging the island closer to us). 2) Getting an angle grinder down to the north of Portsmuff and cutting them adrift, letting them drift to form another Channel Island (or anchor them down by South Georgia). 3) Wait for Sandbanks to erode, Poole harbour floods and Bournemuff goes totally under. 4) Recreate the County of Southamptonshire and start a civil war with London/England to reintroduce a local "Catalan Style" fighting spirit to the City/County. 5) Design a new flag for the County (get Gecko on it straight away). 6) Develop conscription for the Southampton Home Independence Territorial Team Emergency Regimental Squad Some very good ideas Um, i am sure under Nickys guidance all these things are possible. In fact some of this is already work in progress. With regard to points 1-3, these are easily covered. We just get Cortese to stand on Hamble waterfront, raise his hand and part the solent, in the same way Moses parted the Red Sea, this would join us to the Isle of WIght and at the same time the retracting water would take care of wiping Bournemouth & Portsmouth off the face of the earth. We could build our new 200,000 capacity stadium on the land that has become available by the parting of the solent. Points 4 & 6 are also work in progress. We have a fine Yoof army already developing and are well on the way to being the new Millwall off the pitch. With a bit of support from the club we could arrange to fight for our independance, i am sure they would love it. We could also get them recruiting from their local areas and create other divisions within the ****TERS and send them on covert operations to expand the ****TERS fearsome reputation and gain our inependance. We could have the Thornhill & Woolston Active Terror Squad, Weston And Northam Krew, Midanbury Urban Guerilla Squad and the Fawley Urban Chaos Krew. We can become a club and a region with a fearsome reputation. We will not rest until we are the province of Southampton. Point 5 - thank god for this forum, we can have a "speculation on the new flag" thread, which will give The9 and his ilk something to do. All this is entitely possible. We are Southampton, we do what we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 (edited) We just get Cortese to stand on Hamble waterfront, raise his hand and part the solent, in the same way Moses parted the Red Sea, this would join us to the Isle of WIght and at the same time the retracting water would take care of wiping Bournemouth & Portsmouth off the face of the earth. We could build our new 200,000 capacity stadium on the land that has become available by the parting of the solent. Forget the references to Moses (might be somewhat offensive to the good Christians - like me - out there), we've got our own connections with King Canute (used to enjoy a swift pint in the Canute Hotel before popping over to Floaters). PS we also need a County Animal/Bird (Lucy Pinder does not qualify) & a County Anthem (Woolston Ferry is too parochial). Edited 9 July, 2011 by um pahars Granty's magic box didn't like ye olde Angle spelling of Canute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Forget the references to Moses (might be somewhat offensive to the good Christians - like me - out there), we've got our own connections with King **** (used to enjoy a swift pint in the Canute Hotel before popping over to Floaters). PS we also need a County Animal/Bird (Lucy Pinder does not qualify) & a County Anthem (Woolston Ferry is too parochial). The song is easy. We adapt the Orange men song "the sash my father wore" this is appropriate as the orginal SFC and reason for our struggle wore a sash. I've written a few lyrics. Sure i am a S'ITTER man From Southampton i came To see my Southampton brethren of honour and of fame And to tell them of my forefathers Who fought in days of yore, That I might have the right to wear, The sash my father wore! It is old, but it is beautiful, And its colors they are fine It was worn in all over Southamptonshire this famous sash is mine My father wore it as a youth In bygone days of yore And everyday I love to wear The sash my father wore. I'd also like to see a statue, the same as the the one of Christ the Reedemer which over looks Rio placed on the corner of Ventor in Southamptonshire with Cortese face on it, arms outstreached, overlooking and embracing the whole of SOuthamptonshire. When people fly over or sail into our region they will know they are entering a special but dangerous place. Imagine how good this would look if it was ours overlooking Southamptonshire, p*sses all over the tower in Skatesmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Big difference is Barca, being one of the biggest 3 clubs in world, can hold on to their kids. We do not have that luxury - YET! Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Well, seeing as Barca had to borrow 150 million Euros last summer, I'm not sure that their vision is exactly what we want to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Yesterday*10:52 PM #3391 doggface Full Member Join Date Nov 2006 Location Toronto Posts 930 Originally Posted by Ludwig Am I the only one who sees sense in a switch of formation from a conventional 4-4-2 to a 4-3-3, with Lallana/Chamberlain/Guly being given relatively free roles around Lambert/Barnard, with Hammond, Schneiderlin and Cork playing with fluid rotation in terms of who is responsible for breaking up play, driving forwards and retaining possession respectively? With decent backup in terms of Chaplow and trying to bring Ward-Prowse through, perhaps. A similar-ish formation to Barca, except with no well-defined Busquets role, all three midfielders being responsible for breaking up play, retaining possession and moving forwards with a relatively fluid front-line also, as Lambert is as capable as Lallana and Chamberlain at switching position along the attack. Not quite the same footballing philosophy, but in terms of positional set-up and fluidity, I think it could work. I don't think Barnard could fit into such a side seamlessly, though, which is why I'd look at getting a more versatile intelligent forward in. I think it could work. Very interesting post. Whether it comes this year or next, the big plan at SFC is (as I understand it) to coach 4-3-3 from the 7 year olds all the way through to the first team. Irrespective of change of personnel. To play the "southampton way" as we have heard in the past regarding development. * ** * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 I'm not sure the barca way means we will be using similar formations because they do it so good. I think it's more of a reference to how much time and effort is put into the academy. Barca bring through so much talent because they have a large academy and top class coaching from youth upwards. If we can emulate that then we can create the Southampton way which will be an English version of the barca model. We will need to be challenging for tittle's and silverware if we have any chance of keeping hold of any top players we bring through which is another debate but the vision and funding is there for us to get our model off the ground. Will be exciting to watch it progress I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 System is key too 442 is seen as too rigid these days. Whether we have to personnel (yet) to play 433 successfully is open to debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 That's not entirely true They lost Fabregas to Arsenal when he was 17 So we are just like Barcelona then. Because we lost Theo to Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 Other than Bale and Walcott, we have lost quite a few young players that could have been decent for us in the Championship had we fought harder to keep them and given them preference over some of the twaddle Redknapp and Burley brought in. The aademy could be a major source of players for us if we continue investing in it. It's worth producing players for other teams too if we reap major benefits from having an academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 About the 4-3-3, Swansea got promoted using that system this year and playing some very good football. We could do something like this: -------------------DAVIS------------------ BUTTERS-----FONTE-----JAIDI-----HARDING ------MORGAN----HAMMOND----CORK------ CHAMBO----------LAMBERT--------LALLANA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 -------------------DAVIS------------------ BUTTERS-----FONTE-----JAIDI-----HARDING Does this not look scary to you? Minus fonte I feel this will not hack it in NPC and we will struggle. feel we'll sign a CB and look for a RB before season starts. Wasn't worried about it until I've seen it written down in post above!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 July, 2011 Share Posted 9 July, 2011 (edited) -------------------DAVIS------------------ BUTTERS-----FONTE-----JAIDI-----HARDING Does this not look scary to you? Minus fonte I feel this will not hack it in NPC and we will struggle. feel we'll sign a CB and look for a RB before season starts. Wasn't worried about it until I've seen it written down in post above!! All five of them have a great deal of experience at Championship level. The defence is actually the department where Saints have the most experience at a higher level. You can add Frazer Richardson to those five as he has also played 100+ game at CHampionship level. Edited 9 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 IMO if we kept the recent players we sold from our YTS or brought at ages of 16-18 we would be playing European football ok uefa cup not Champs league. Theo,Bale,K.Jones,Mills,Baird and add Lallana AOC MS Spav as bench players we could of had a team around them that would finish between 7th and 5th in the prem if we added quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 All five of them have a great deal of experience at Championship level. The defence is actually the department where Saints have the most experience at a higher level. You can add Frazer Richardson to those five as he has also played 100+ game at CHampionship level. 100+ is too vague MLG. How many games EXACTLY have that lot played in the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 11 July, 2011 Share Posted 11 July, 2011 He will, you know! At least I hope he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 July, 2011 Share Posted 11 July, 2011 Soccerbase will know and it wouldn't take long to find out. I'm not checking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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