Hammond/Schneiderlin/Chaplow/Cork

[Appy]

Because technically he is a better player than Chaplow and Hammond. Passing, control, vision, etc even tackling!

 

 

 

That doesn't mean it is solely down to him playing or not playing.

 

Your stats are also wrong, as he played against Walsall at St Mary's and against Plymouth at Home Park.

 

Does 10 minutes at Home Park really count?

[Saint Garrett]

I massively rate Schneiderlin, he has clear ability. Just sometimes goes missing a bit.

[Appy]

Away from home I have found Schneiderlin to fade out of games.

[Avenue Saint]

Yes, he's distinctly average and would be my 4th choice out of the 4 of them.

 

That said he is young so he may yet develop into a decent player but to do that I'd would like to see him pick up the ball from defence, bring it up and distribute it into dangerous areas far more often than he does. Sorry but easy square passes in the middle of the park don't do it for me.

 

Nothing against the lad, just saying what I see and I'd just like to add that I really hope Morgan does become the player a lot on here think he already is.

 

Lol, good job you're not picking the team then hey?!

[Chez]

Yes, he's distinctly average

blimey, I know the games about opinions, but I can't understand yours. He's average compared to who?

 

Can I ask, have you played the game at a decent level? If so did you play at centre midfield? If not, have you any idea how competitive that area of the pitch is? It's not like any other position on the field. You have to be absolutely top notch to take the ball with your back to goal under genuine pressure like Morgan does. A poor touch here and Hernandez has tucked an equaliser under Bart.

 

Lessor players don't put themselves in that position. They hide, or do what Wotton and Delap did, get it and quickly boot it over their shoulder. They never got caught in possession, but boy did they concede it. Morgan doesn't hide, he wants it all the time and when he does get it he keeps it...all the time. And as we all know possession is king. You have been watching Barca/Spain over the last four years right?

 

What I see in Morgan is a player that can play in that tight area at the highest levels (the higher the level the less space and time there is). If he receives a **** pass with a man up his arse he has the first touch to make the pass look OK, the body strength to withstand the pressure of the opponent behind him, the skill to position the ball where the defender can't nick it from him and the ability to turn into space and lay it off (more often than not short, easy and square) turning a tough situation into something positive. It isn't easy, he makes it look easy. Put a lessor player in there and the ball may be lost and either that player or the passer looks bad.

 

As I said the game is about opinions, but give him another look the next time he plays and look closely at how willing he is to take the ball anywhere and all the time, watch how he keeps the ball and compare him with others in that same position. He is not average. At league 1 level he was different class. At Championship level we'll need that ability. That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

Edited 10 July, 2011 by Chez

[Window Cleaner]

blimey, I know the games about opinions, but I can't understand yours. He's average compared to who?

 

Can I ask, have you played the game at a decent level? If so did you play at centre midfield? If not, have you any idea how competitive that area of the pitch is? It's not like any other position on the field. You have to be absolutely top notch to take the ball with your back to goal under genuine pressure like Morgan does. A poor touch here and Hernandez has tucked an equaliser under Bart.

 

Lessor players don't put themselves in that position. They hide, or do what Wotton and Delap did, get it and quickly boot it over their shoulder. They never got caught in possession, but boy did they concede it. Morgan doesn't hide, he wants it all the time and when he does get it he keeps it...all the time. And as we all know possession is king. You have been watching Barca/Spain over the last four years right?

 

What I see in Morgan is a player that can play in that tight area at the highest levels (the higher the level the less space and time there is). If he receives a **** pass with a man up his arse he has the first touch to make the pass look OK, the body strength to withstand the pressure of the opponent behind him, the skill to position the ball where the defender can't nick it from him and the ability to turn into space and lay it off (more often than not short, easy and square) turning a tough situation into something positive. It isn't easy, he makes it look easy. Put a lessor player in there and the ball may be lost and either that player or the passer looks bad.

 

As I said the game is about opinions, but give him another look the next time he plays and look closely at how willing he is to take the ball anywhere and all the time, watch how he keeps the ball and compare him with others in that same position. He is not average. At league 1 level he was different class. At Championship level we'll need that ability. That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

 

Come along now Chez, you know that the sign of a good player is one that hoofs it towards Rickie in any situation,someone might fall over in the opponents penalty box and boost Lambert's goal tally.

[Saint Garrett]

None the wiser then.........

[CWD]

---------Cork-----Hammond-----

 

De Ridder --- Chambo --- Lallana

 

-----------Lambert-------------

 

Imagine those 3 attacking midfielders constantly swapping positions and running at defences? Plus we have Chaplow, Holmes and Forte who can all play in those forward midfield roles and Morgan can fill in behind. It's also a formation that can very easily change into a 4-4-2.

 

I totally can't wait for this season to start.

[eastleighhalo]

---------Cork-----Hammond-----

 

De Ridder --- Chambo --- Lallana

 

-----------Lambert-------------

 

Imagine those 3 attacking midfielders constantly swapping positions and running at defences? Plus we have Chaplow, Holmes and Forte who can all play in those forward midfield roles and Morgan can fill in behind. It's also a formation that can very easily change into a 4-4-2.

 

I totally can't wait for this season to start.

 

Im not sure many teams would be able to cope with this .. i wonder if nigel sees it that way ?

[derry]

I think/hope we may see the emergence of Schneiderlin as a top class midfielder this season. Cork is a good footballer, a lot better than I thought he would be, his movement is excellent so at last Schneiderlin has a midfield partner on the same level as himself. I hope that will raise his game. Another factor is De Ridder who looks a class act whose positional and link up play is going to give a real outlet down the right. Chamberlain is a brilliant 17 year old that plays instinctively but positionally naive, who will probably develop into a top player in due course but is a long way off De Ridder at the moment. With Lallana on the left and Lambert and Connolly in front it gives us a real footballing heart.

[Griffo]

Cork and Schneiderlin are easily our best two centre midfielders.

[Saint Stimp]

I think/hope we may see the emergence of Schneiderlin as a top class midfielder this season. Cork is a good footballer, a lot better than I thought he would be, his movement is excellent so at last Schneiderlin has a midfield partner on the same level as himself. I hope that will raise his game. Another factor is De Ridder who looks a class act whose positional and link up play is going to give a real outlet down the right. Chamberlain is a brilliant 17 year old that plays instinctively but positionally naive, who will probably develop into a top player in due course but is a long way off De Ridder at the moment. With Lallana on the left and Lambert and Connolly in front it gives us a real footballing heart.

 

Unless you've been watching De Ridder for significantly longer than the rest of us, there's no way you've got enough information to make that assumption yet.

[derry]

He is a good footballer, it isn't difficult to see straightaway that his positional play is spot on. He is quick and his crossing, passing was picking players out. Check out the Saints Player highlights. Chamberlain is potential, De Ridder is already an experienced player. We didn't pay a million for him to sit on the bench. Even if Chamberlain is fit he may have a lesson in humility to learn bearing in mind he has crossed the line in the way he is trying to get away. I personally think we should unload him asap.

Edited 29 July, 2011 by derry

[Saint Garrett]

Pretty certain that if Chamberlain is fit, then he will play, whether De Ridder finds a different position to play is up to Adkins, but I can't see Chambo not playing unless he is injured.

[derry]

Pretty certain that if Chamberlain is fit, then he will play, whether De Ridder finds a different position to play is up to Adkins, but I can't see Chambo not playing unless he is injured.

 

If you didn't go to the WBA game check out the Saints Player highlights. Chamberlain had a few runs creating nothing, De Ridder was double marked but a constant threat. He should play, in any event Chamberlain's ankle didn't look good and he was out for a couple of months last time he did it. I think the Yeovil preview squad is just a list of the numbered players (twentyeight), they won't all be appearing tomorrow.

Edited 29 July, 2011 by derry

[RobM]

---------Cork-----Hammond-----

 

De Ridder --- Chambo --- Lallana

 

-----------Lambert-------------

 

Imagine those 3 attacking midfielders constantly swapping positions and running at defences? Plus we have Chaplow, Holmes and Forte who can all play in those forward midfield roles and Morgan can fill in behind. It's also a formation that can very easily change into a 4-4-2.

 

I totally can't wait for this season to start.

 

 

Swap Hammond with Morgan and Cambo with Lallana and you've got it, IMO. You then have Guly to come on when we need some trickery, Chaplow when we need some aggression and battling spirit and Hammond when we need some calm or cover. Those three will also make ideal starting replacements for the others when needed.

 

For me, as much as I rate Hammond, I simply think Morgan and Cork are better in his position. His captains armband could easily go to Fonte and he doesn't fit anywhere else, so he has to give way, IMO.

 

I'd swap Chambo and Lallana and give Lallana the freedom to roam and do his thing, simply because I think AOC is a winger first and foremost and Lallana can be more flexible.

[Thedelldays]

If you didn't go to the WBA game check out the Saints Player highlights. Chamberlain had a few runs creating nothing, De Ridder was double marked but a constant threat. He should play, in any event Chamberlain's ankle didn't look good and he was out for a couple of months last time he did it. I think the Yeovil preview squad is just a list of the numbered players (twentyeight), they won't all be appearing tomorrow.

 

fair points...we now have the luxury of not having to risk a player....well, maybe lallana or fonte....but the rest....we have good enough in reserve

[Avenue Saint]

---------Cork-----Morgan-----

 

De Ridder --- lallana --- Chambo

 

-----------Lambert-------------

[aintforever]

We played out best football without Scheiderlin last season - FACT. Work that one out.

[NickG]

We played out best football without Scheiderlin last season - FACT. Work that one out.

 

played pretty good in these with him - Huddersfield (4-1), Exeter (4-0), Blackpool (2-0), Oldham (6-0), Man U (1-2), Bournemouth (2-0), Brighton (0-0), FACT

[aintforever]

played pretty good in these with him - Huddersfield (4-1), Exeter (4-0), Blackpool (2-0), Oldham (6-0), Man U (1-2), Bournemouth (2-0), Brighton (0-0), FACT

 

Last season with Schneiderlin starting: Played 27, Won 12, Draw 5, Lost 10

 

Last season without Schneiderlin starting: Played 26, Won 21, Draw 3, Lost 2

[The Kraken]

Last season with Schneiderlin starting: Played 27, Won 12, Draw 5, Lost 10

 

Last season without Schneiderlin starting: Played 26, Won 21, Draw 3, Lost 2

 

NickG just got out-statted

[NickG]

played pretty good in these with him - Huddersfield (4-1), Exeter (4-0), Blackpool (2-0), Oldham (6-0), Man U (1-2), Bournemouth (2-0), Brighton (0-0), FACT

 

think that's pretty accurate!

 

He was injured at the time of our excellent run in, maybe aintforever thinks thats why we did so well, I don't think its that straight forward!

[The Kraken]

think that's pretty accurate!

 

He was injured at the time of our excellent run in, maybe aintforever thinks thats why we did so well, I don't think its that straight forward!

 

Ignoring stats when they don't fit your argument

[Stepgar]

Stick with Schneiderlin and Hammond and play Cork at CB with Fonte?

 

I think he is too good to be a centre back. I really can't see NA buying him to use in at the back. His balls through the middle of the park the other night were telling. He is a starter without a doubt.

[Thedelldays]

im sure there will be plenty of times (like last season) where nige will throw a 6 and have 3 of them on the pitch with the diamond or something similar...like a 433

[Charlie Wayman]

I think most agree that it should be a Schneiderlin-Cork but it's more a case of will Adkins drop Deano with him being captain?

 

I think that's right and the obvious way to accommodate them is to push Adam up behind Lambo at start, which won't please Guly or Connolly. so, bring Guly on after Chambo (60min) and Connors after Lambo (75min)... and then there's de Ridder!

 

Of course sod's law says that Morgan will get clobbered after one of his mad moments and Chambo be out for half the season with a torn whatsit and the problem for Adders will disappear.

 

Could Deano do RB if all else fails?

[Saint Garrett]

So after the first 2 games, and them all playing....what are thoughts? Thought Deano was fantastic on Saturday, and Cork looks like he's been playing for us for years, just slotted in, will only get better. Chappers looked good on the right hand side and gave us good energy when he came on, and Morgan is a class act (though hasn't been great in the 2 games when seen him).

[CWD]

I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) to see us line up with:

 

Lallana - Cork - Hammond - Chaplow

 

on Saturday

[Golden Balls]

I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) to see us line up with:

 

Lallana - Cork - Hammond - Chaplow

 

on Saturday

 

Bit harsh on Guly?

[Dannyboy_Saint]

And De Ridder. Especially after last nights performance.

[Thedelldays]

Bit harsh on Guly?

 

not really..he's been poor so far...

[alpine_saint]

We look formidable in midfield and attack.

 

We just need a bit more steel in CB position to compliment Fonte.

[Son of Eric the Red]

-------morgan----- cork------ hammond-----

--------------oxo--------lallana-----

----------------lambert-------------

 

oxo and lallana can go wide when they feel letting 2 midfielders come into box late.

 

I would agree with that but now with AOC gone, Connolly, Barnard, De Ridder or Guly could be used instead and it would still work might be a bit too attacking away from home but make it a five man midfield for away.

[SaintBobby]

I'm starting to become a real convert to Hammond.

 

Midway through last season he was developing into a hate player for me.

 

But had a very good run in and a very strong performance v Leeds.

 

My family at the game said it was evident that he was actually a more proactive and involved captain v Leeds, but that was hard to gauge from the TV coverage on the otehr side of the Atlantic.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Schneiderlin looked impressive to me yesterday, I'm sure the eventual pairing will be him and Cork, though there is no doubt Hammond has had a great start to the season.

[channonball]

I'd drop Cork back to right back on yesterday's performance. The defense looks a lot more solid, plus Schneiderlin can then get a game. Hammond is playing some good stuff. Cork was significantly better then Richardson yersterday. You then have the option of moving Cork into the middle if you need to try and force the game.

[Saint Garrett]

Didn't think Cork and Morgan really complimented eachother last night. Thought we missed Hammonds bite in midfield. From what Ive seen it should be either Morgan or Cork with either Chaplow or Hammond.

 

Or Chaplow plays on the right.

[um pahars]

From what Ive seen it should be either Morgan or Cork with either Chaplow or Hammond.

 

I like the way you've split these as that's how I see it.

 

For me Cork and Spiderman are too "nice" together and need something else alongside one of them.

 

Was worried before the game last night that we wouldn't be "strong" enough in the middle of the park, not sure if that was true though as would have to leave it up to those who went to comment.

[Avenue Saint]

Good read.

[Appy]

Away from home I have found Schneiderlin to fade out of games.

 

He has improved a stupid amount since then.

[SNSUN]

I personally think Cork and Morgan. I can see this central midfield getting us promoted this season, I really can. Hammond won't cut it in the Premier League though so I expect he'll be loaned out somewhere, and Chaplow will be surplus to requirements but will probably stay and fight for his place, making the odd cameo here and there. In addition I can see one of the youngsters coming through, someone like JWP. Then one more signing from Adkins in the summer, someone with Premier League experience we can steal cheap from a struggling club, and we'll be pukka. Morgan will shine in the Premier League, and I reckon Cork could solidfy things defensively when he's in the side.

 

Wow, I was bang on.

 

(Hopes nobody looks back through the thread...)

[Saint Garrett]

They've both improved a hell of a lot. Fair play to Schneiderlin for upping his tackling an Cork's defensive duties. A real good partnership we have there now.

[um pahars]

He has improved a stupid amount since then.

 

Would have to agree 100%. He's definitely got a bit nastier, which is good to see (as much as I hated Fellaini the other night, I'd love him in my team). Isn't he the top tackler or something in the Prem??

 

Cork has also matured and grown as a player, and the pair of them did well the other night.

[Saint Charlie]

Chamberlain is a brilliant 17 year old that plays instinctively but positionally naive, who will probably develop into a top player in due course but is a long way off De Ridder at the moment..

 

Interesting to relook at this thread, we did have a lot of options. A few will have been proven wrong re Schneiderlin. De Ridder was never anywhere near Chamberlain though and never will be. Such a disappointment.

 

Imagine how good we would have been if AOC had stayed though?

[Window Cleaner]

Interesting to relook at this thread, we did have a lot of options. A few will have been proven wrong re Schneiderlin. De Ridder was never anywhere near Chamberlain though and never will be. Such a disappointment.

 

Imagine how good we would have been if AOC had stayed though?

 

De Ridder didn't disappoint me, I'd seen him in his Belgian days, pile of crap then, same now. A truly bad signing especially if he cost us money.Obviously signed by someone who knows little about football based on CM stats and YouTube videos..

[CWD]

Interesting to relook at this thread, we did have a lot of options. A few will have been proven wrong re Schneiderlin. De Ridder was never anywhere near Chamberlain though and never will be. Such a disappointment.

 

Imagine how good we would have been if AOC had stayed though?

 

I often think that. Our movement in midfield at the start of that season was superb, but just lacked a bit of pace. Had AOC stayed (even until January) I think we would have been even better.