City of Liverpool cruise terminal: Turnaround operations consultation

[Joesaint]

City of Liverpool cruise terminal: Turnaround operations consultation

 

Just to ask people to fill in the consultation, private business should be free to compete on a level playing field hence liverpool should have to pay back all the money not a quarter over 15 years!

 

Here is a link;

 

http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/dft-2011-22

 

Just open the •Consultation letter (DOC) and e-mail it back, it only has about 6 questions, and does not take long.

 

 

And to those that say Liverpool is better, the amout of regeneration there you would expect so!

[1976_Child]

Just saw this on South Today.

 

All I have to say is:

 

"OI. Scousers. Hands off our liners. Thieving blighters. Take my tax money, build a liner terminal and then steal our (privately docked) ships? Fek off, you dirty ****s.

[Joesaint]

Just heard they will not build the new terminal in southampton if Liverpool gets there unfair advantage. Plus Liverpool asking for another 10 million of public money to help them take our business away. This could affect many jobs from taxi drivers to direct employees from Southampton (which I know a few) to people that work on the dock.

 

Please fill in the consultation document and e-mail it back, its really easy.

[pap]

I tweeted @lucianaberger, the local MP about this. I don't think it's right that they're doling out public money to do this.

[Joesaint]

I tweeted @lucianaberger, the local MP about this. I don't think it's right that they're doling out public money to do this.

 

You should really fill in the public consultation then, your right its not right. Bastards!

 

What did you tweet her?

[ecuk268]

As someone commented on the Echo website, any liner calling at Liverpool will be found up on bricks with the propellers missing.

[sotonjoe]

As I understand it, Liverpool will never be granted permission to use the new terminal as a 'turnaround' terminal until they pay back the £14m of public money used to fund the terminal. If they can stump up the cash then fair play to them; that's what competition is all about. I've never really understood the attraction of Liverpool as a cruise start / end point unless ships want to head north. From Southampton it's already a two day journey down to or back from the Med and starting from Liverpool would add another 12 hours or so onto transit time.

[Joesaint]

Well it is now a pulic consultation (plese fill this out) and liverpool seem very confident and have drawn up a plan to expand it with another 10 milion of public funding! Govenment does many things that I do not agree with and this being one. I really hope you are right. Fair play to compition but there does need to be a level playing field.

[pap]

You should really fill in the public consultation then, your right its not right. Bastards!

 

What did you tweet her?

 

Something along the lines of "Why are you giving Peel Group £10M of public money" along with a link.

 

No response as yet.

[Dimond Geezer]

As I understand it, Liverpool will never be granted permission to use the new terminal as a 'turnaround' terminal until they pay back the £14m of public money used to fund the terminal. If they can stump up the cash then fair play to them; that's what competition is all about. I've never really understood the attraction of Liverpool as a cruise start / end point unless ships want to head north. From Southampton it's already a two day journey down to or back from the Med and starting from Liverpool would add another 12 hours or so onto transit time.

 

As a tourist attraction, Liverpool has a lot more to offer than Southampton. I wonder if they (Liverpool council) are hoping this would appeal to tourists & they will spend a bit of time (and money) in the city. However, if I'd just disembarked from a cruise & had two weeks of luggage to lug around I think I'd jump straight into a taxi & get home.

[Guan 2.0]

As someone commented on the Echo website, any liner calling at Liverpool will be found up on bricks with the propellers missing.

 

I know you're joking, but Southampton had 3 fewer burglaries in June. Massive hey? http://www.police.uk/crime/?q=Southampton,%20UK#crimetypes Never understood why some people consider Southampton a crown jewel in regards to these matters. Areas like Millbrook nd St Denys are no better than Toxteth and Croxteth.

[pap]

I know you're joking, but Southampton had 3 fewer burglaries in June. Massive hey? http://www.police.uk/crime/?q=Southampton,%20UK#crimetypes Never understood why some people consider Southampton a crown jewel in regards to these matters. Areas like Millbrook nd St Denys are no better than Toxteth and Croxteth.

 

Yeah, the regional racism does make me laugh a little bit.

 

I've been living in Liverpool since 1994, and only once was I a victim of crime. I've never been a victim of theft.

 

As to a comparison between the two cities, there are bits to like about both. However, the bits that I love most about Southampton are not likely to be attractive to tourists, and if we're being honest, Liverpool trounces Southampton in terms of entertainment value and attractiveness to visitors.

 

That said, I do think Toxteth and Croxteth are rougher than Millbrook or St. Deny's. Liverpool has had a lot of regeneration, it's true - but Crocky is still full of gun-totin' gangs and Tocky is still a ****hole. Most of the money has been spent on the city centre.

[bridge too far]

Whilst, obviously, I'd support Southampton in its bid to retain passenger services, I find this all quite interesting. My mother's family originated from Liverpool and my great-great, great and grandfather were all involved with the merchant shipping trade. My great-great grandfather was a river pilot on the Mersey and my grandfather was a marine engineer.

 

My grandfather worked the Cunard Line out of Liverpool for years until Cunard moved to Southampton and then went on to work for P & O. The irony of the merchant fleet moving back to Liverpool would not be lost on our family.

[pap]

Whilst, obviously, I'd support Southampton in its bid to retain passenger services, I find this all quite interesting. My mother's family originated from Liverpool and my great-great, great and grandfather were all involved with the merchant shipping trade. My great-great grandfather was a river pilot on the Mersey and my grandfather was a marine engineer.

 

My grandfather worked the Cunard Line out of Liverpool for years until Cunard moved to Southampton and then went on to work for P & O. The irony of the merchant fleet moving back to Liverpool would not be lost on our family.

 

Being from Southampton and living in Liverpool, I'm a little ambivalent as to who gets the passenger services. Hopefully, there will be enough business to generate jobs in both cities. Cruise holidays have experienced quite a bit of growth in the last decade. I expect the ability to depart from Liverpool is much handier for any Northerners.

 

The £10 million sweetener ( paid using my council tax, incidentally ) is unnecessary and unfair. With assets of £6bn, the Peel Group doesn't need the money. It's unfair to Southampton because they're not competing on a level playing field.

[bridge too far]

Being from Southampton and living in Liverpool, I'm a little ambivalent as to who gets the passenger services. Hopefully, there will be enough business to generate jobs in both cities. Cruise holidays have experienced quite a bit of growth in the last decade. I expect the ability to depart from Liverpool is much handier for any Northerners.

 

The £10 million sweetener ( paid using my council tax, incidentally ) is unnecessary and unfair. With assets of £6bn, the Peel Group doesn't need the money. It's unfair to Southampton because they're not competing on a level playing field.

 

That SHOULD contravene EU competition laws, I believe.

[pap]

Possibly, but the EU does this sort of thing itself.

 

Loads of places have had EU funding for regeneration. In a programme called Objective 1, it gave money to economically disadvantaged areas. This cash was specifically aimed at generating better employment prospects. Under this scheme, loads of companies were allocated money from local government . If the EU is happy to do this themselves, then they can't really knock Liverpool City Council for doing the same thing.

[spyinthesky]

Couple of interesting facts.

 

Liverpool has been given £2.5 BILLION worth of EU and UK state aid over the past 10 years or more

 

Just a small bit of this would have helped regenerate Soton

 

The £17m of EU and UK aid was actually given to Liverpool City Council who developed the Cruise terminal on land they own just up from the Liver Buildings

 

Peel Ports did not benefit. Indeed they have their own cruise terminal aspirations within the actual port area

[Patrick Bateman]

Liverpool is a massive sh*thole. Spending time there for work was horrendous, full of weird people, run down houses and a general sense of over importance.

 

Southampton is much prettier and crucially is only 1 hour by train or car from London! Oh and the New Forest is on the doorstep!! Southampton wins hands down.

[pap]

That's an oversimplification, imo.

 

The worst parts of Liverpool are much worse than the worst parts of Southampton. Southampton is consistently nicer if you like touring residential areas, but that's not what people visit cities for. Just compare the two skylines, count the number of theatres, period buildings and visitor attractions.

[pap]

Southampton is much prettier and crucially is only 1 hour by train or car from London! Oh and the New Forest is on the doorstep!! Southampton wins hands down.

 

Oh, and I'll take your New Forest, and raise you North Wales, the Lake District and the Pennines.

 

Maybe not the Pennines, it's a bit far and a bit wet.

[Guan 2.0]

Liverpool is a massive sh*thole. Spending time there for work was horrendous, full of weird people, run down houses and a general sense of over importance.

Southampton is much prettier and crucially is only 1 hour by train or car from London! Oh and the New Forest is on the doorstep!! Southampton wins hands down.

 

Southampton is not 'pretty' as a whole. Places like smithsdown and kensington aren't great I'll grant you, but with so many riverside parks, the philharmonic, everyman, 3 graces Albert dock etc Liverpool has so much to offer than Southampton it wins hands down. Oh, and if it's London you're after then it's less than two hours by train to Euston from Lime street.

[Guan 2.0]

Oh, and I'll take your New Forest, and raise you North Wales, the Lake District and the Pennines.

 

Maybe not the Pennines, it's a bit far and a bit wet.

 

And the Merseyside coast leading up to Formby beach...

[The Kraken]

Liverpool is a massive sh*thole. Spending time there for work was horrendous, full of weird people, run down houses and a general sense of over importance.

 

Southampton is much prettier and crucially is only 1 hour by train or car from London! Oh and the New Forest is on the doorstep!! Southampton wins hands down.

 

Is it f*ck :lol:

 

I love living down here, but Liverpool has got far, far more going for it than Southampton. You don't win a European capital of culture award when your city is an ugly sh*thole.

[exit2]

There is nothing to worry about. The only business that could be affected is the trans atlantic stuff and tbh there is not alot of it about. You might lose the smaller carriers such as Fred Olson etc, but if you think people like Royal Carribbean, Cunard will be running med cruises from there forget it. The cost in fuel to get from liverpool dwon to here to is hugh, and not many passengers will want to cruise in the Irish sea for a couple of days! My big gripe on this is the fact Liverpool dock is owned and operated by Peel Ports a multi billion pound cimpany! Pay for it yourself!