Sheaf Saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 That's complete nonsense, there is a reason why papers pay good money for the best pics. If it wasn't cost effective they wouldn't do it. OK, have you ever gone to the newsagents with the intention of buying, for example, the Telegraph, only to change your mind and buy the Express because they had a picture of a celebrity on the front page? Thought not.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 OK, have you ever gone to the newsagents with the intention of buying, for example, the Telegraph, only to change your mind and buy the Express because they had a picture of a celebrity on the front page? Thought not. There is a certain type of person who would do that though. (hint: not a Telegraph reader, typically)
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 OK, have you ever gone to the newsagents with the intention of buying, for example, the Telegraph, only to change your mind and buy the Express because they had a picture of a celebrity on the front page? Thought not. i have changed the paper I was getting if the story on the front was more interesting. i have also looked into the sports pages and decided to buy the one that had an article on Saints but would not normally get the particular paper.
The Cat Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 I've worked in a few shops that sell newspapers and have to say that most people buy the same paper every single day. Sometimes they will buy an extra paper to go with their normal choice but mostly readers are quite loyal. Mind you I do have to wonder about what some of them actually read. Our local Lib Dem councillor buys the Mail. I have asked her why, considering the Mail hate the Lib Dems and most of their political articles probably go against most traditional Lib Dem beliefs and policies. She replied, "Oh do they? I hadn't noticed". Christ.
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 I've worked in a few shops that sell newspapers and have to say that most people buy the same paper every single day. Sometimes they will buy an extra paper to go with their normal choice but mostly readers are quite loyal. Mind you I do have to wonder about what some of them actually read. Our local Lib Dem councillor buys the Mail. I have asked her why, considering the Mail hate the Lib Dems and most of their political articles probably go against most traditional Lib Dem beliefs and policies. She replied, "Oh do they? I hadn't noticed". Christ. Holy sheet! A Lib Dem councillor that can't even spot the blatant right wing agenda of her preferred newspaper? Remind me never to vote for her!
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 OK, have you ever gone to the newsagents with the intention of buying, for example, the Telegraph, only to change your mind and buy the Express because they had a picture of a celebrity on the front page? Thought not. I have occasionally swapped from the Express to The Mail if there's a story about immigrants that i'd like to read.
The Cat Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Holy sheet! A Lib Dem councillor that can't even spot the blatant right wing agenda of her preferred newspaper? Remind me never to vote for her! Indeed. She's clearly quite dumb. Luckily she's not actually my councillor, just one of the 2 in our village so my vote in the recent elections didn't go to her.
The Cat Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 I have occasionally swapped from the Express to The Mail if there's a story about immigrants that i'd like to read. Do you cope ok with missing out on the latest Express headline about Princess Diana talking to Madeline McCann from beyond the grave about the weather, house prices and crackpot medical stories?
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Do you cope ok with missing out on the latest Express headline about Princess Diana talking to Madeline McCann from beyond the grave about the weather, house prices and crackpot medical stories? I find the Express to give a better anti EU stance. The Express is also the paper endorsed by UKIP. http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/2018-daily-express-is-spot-on-again
keithd Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 right up to date that article and why is everybody blaming Nick Illingsworth for all this?
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Girls night out, with Mrs Brown and the wife of Murdoch, some 3 years after Murdoch's empire had made her so traumatised..........
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Girls night out, with Mrs Brown and the wife of Murdoch, some 3 years after Murdoch's empire had made her so traumatised.......... Which one's Brown?
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Girls night out, with Mrs Brown and the wife of Murdoch, some 3 years after Murdoch's empire had made her so traumatised.......... There is a wounded self-esteem about the Toryboys on here that they really should get over. This story is bigger than that.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 I've worked in a few shops that sell newspapers and have to say that most people buy the same paper every single day. Sometimes they will buy an extra paper to go with their normal choice but mostly readers are quite loyal. Mind you I do have to wonder about what some of them actually read. Our local Lib Dem councillor buys the Mail. I have asked her why, considering the Mail hate the Lib Dems and most of their political articles probably go against most traditional Lib Dem beliefs and policies. She replied, "Oh do they? I hadn't noticed". Christ. She probably goes straight to the lady bits in the middle....
bridge too far Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 There is a wounded self-esteem about the Toryboys on here that they really should get over. This story is bigger than that. You're right. I told him last night that he should get off his back foot. If people can't see that this whole sorry affair goes far deeper than mere politics, then they lead very blinkered lives.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14118864 In the last couple of minutes it has been confirmed that the government will support Labour's motion that says MPs believe it would not be in the public interest for Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation to takeover BSkyB.
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 This is dead important. Make sure you post it on the other thread as well.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 This is dead important. Make sure you post it on the other thread as well. Thanks. Done. Hope you posted that heads-up on the other thread too? Better safe than sorry I say.
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Thanks. Done. Hope you posted that heads-up on the other thread too? Better safe than sorry I say. Just noticed it's on both threads. Phew for that.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Just noticed it's on both threads. Phew for that. Yeah. I think we got away with it.
trousers Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 It's a good job over-reaction is never interpretable as a sign of guilt...! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14126326
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 It's a good job over-reaction is never interpretable as a sign of guilt...! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14126326 Police officers would never accept money from the press. oh.
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Police officers would never accept money from the press. oh. Good god no! I can't believe you would suggest such a thing!
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Good god no! I can't believe you would suggest such a thing! To be fair 99% of Police Officers would never be bribed. I'm sure that 99% are as disgusted as the rest of us by the bent coppers that have dragged the whole profession into the gutter. For this reason it is imperitive that the bad eggs are weeded out and the decent 99% deserve a full and thorough enquiry to restore public trust.
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 To be fair 99% of Police Officers would never be bribed. I'm sure that 99% are as disgusted as the rest of us by the bent coppers that have dragged the whole profession into the gutter. For this reason it is imperitive that the bad eggs are weeded out and the decent 99% deserve a full and thorough enquiry to restore public trust. Hmmm. I would question your estimate of only 1% being bad apples. I mean, if the royal guard can be bought for as little as £1k then it does make you wonder just how rife this issue is.
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Wouldn't it be simpler for people to vote with their feet - i.e. stop buying goods and services from his companies - if they don't like the situation? We don't need state intervention when people have the ultimate sanction available to them. Surely? It looks like Joe Public has taken your advice trousers. Sales of NoW were up - although only to a figure they used to achieve in 2004, and somewhat less than they expected with a print run of 4.5m. The Sun and Times/Sunday Times, however, slumped, while their rivals picked up large numbers. Long may it continue. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/12/sun-times-sales-slump
Window Cleaner Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Anyway,within a year or so there'll be a new Sunday on the news-stands, the News of the Screws is eternal,probably be called the Sun on Sunday or something like that.
revolution saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Anyway,within a year or so there'll be a new Sunday on the news-stands, the News of the Screws is eternal,probably be called the Sun on Sunday or something like that. I think you're probably right, although there is speculation that Murdoch might jettison all of his papers. Newspapers in their current form are dying and I'm not sure how successful the internet subscription NI introduced has been. I don't think it's likely that he will sell off the rest of his papers but it's nice to speculate that he might.
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 I think you're probably right, although there is speculation that Murdoch might jettison all of his papers. Newspapers in their current form are dying and I'm not sure how successful the internet subscription NI introduced has been. I don't think it's likely that he will sell off the rest of his papers but it's nice to speculate that he might. It's not only likely he will sell off his UK nationals; he's being pressed to do so by News Corps major shareholders in the US. The Sun is now the only profitable newspaper in the group, and the losses of The Times and The Sunday Times outweigh The Sun's profits.
bridge too far Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 It's not only likely he will sell off his UK nationals; he's being pressed to do so by News Corps major shareholders in the US. The Sun is now the only profitable newspaper in the group, and the losses of The Times and The Sunday Times outweigh The Sun's profits. And by doing this he will argue that his domination of the news media will be significantly less, thus clearing the objections to his takeover of BSkyB.
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 And by doing this he will argue that his domination of the news media will be significantly less, thus clearing the objections to his takeover of BSkyB. There's quite a technical argument to be had by referring the bid for BSkyB to the Competition Commission, and it has as much to do with his dominance of the market in television itself as with any influence from other parts of NI. What's at stake, as far as the CC is concerned, is whether Murdoch's owning 100% of BSkyB means he unfairly monopolises rights to sports, movies, etc, to the detriment of competitors. As things stand, whether he owns the papers or not, it's highly questionable he'd pass the competition test. And remember, the usual outcome of a referral to the CC is that the bid fails.
revolution saint Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 There's quite a technical argument to be had by referring the bid for BSkyB to the Competition Commission, and it has as much to do with his dominance of the market in television itself as with any influence from other parts of NI. What's at stake, as far as the CC is concerned, is whether Murdoch's owning 100% of BSkyB means he unfairly monopolises rights to sports, movies, etc, to the detriment of competitors. As things stand, whether he owns the papers or not, it's highly questionable he'd pass the competition test. And remember, the usual outcome of a referral to the CC is that the bid fails. Isn't there also a Fit and Proper persons test as well? You'd hope it should be unlikely he'd pass that.
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 Isn't there also a Fit and Proper persons test as well? You'd hope it should be unlikely he'd pass that. Not by the Competition Commission. The FAPP test is applied by Ofcom, who are now looking into it and presumably waiting to see who ends up in jail. If Murdoch goes the way of Lord Black, as he might after another raft of allegations that have not received any coverage on the all-important Saintsweb, then I think you could be sure that M is not a FAPP.
dune Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 It's not only likely he will sell off his UK nationals; he's being pressed to do so by News Corps major shareholders in the US. The Sun is now the only profitable newspaper in the group, and the losses of The Times and The Sunday Times outweigh The Sun's profits. And by doing this he will argue that his domination of the news media will be significantly less, thus clearing the objections to his takeover of BSkyB. It's like Baldrick meets Miss Marple. Keep up it and we'll have this case wrapped up in no time.
aintforever Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 (edited) OK, have you ever gone to the newsagents with the intention of buying, for example, the Telegraph, only to change your mind and buy the Express because they had a picture of a celebrity on the front page? Thought not. I don't give a monkeys about celebrities but sometimes the photography on the front of the Independent or Guardian has prompted me pick it up. I only buy papers at the weekend and then it's always the Sun/NOTW for the sport plus a grown up paper for the news, usually Independent but sometimes another if it looks more interesting. Photography makes huge difference in adding interest to a story plus there are plenty of saddos who would buy a paper because some celebrity has their mug on the front. Edited 12 July, 2011 by aintforever
Verbal Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 It's like Baldrick meets Miss Marple. Keep up it and we'll have this case wrapped up in no time. As Saintsweb's answer to Warren Buffet, it's time for you to invest your mortgage (alright, every last 5p in your jam jar), in News International.
View From The Top Posted 12 July, 2011 Posted 12 July, 2011 As Saintsweb's answer to Warren Buffet, it's time for you to invest your mortgage (alright, every last 5p in your jam jar), in News International. I'm just glad he told us we didn't need to worry about the PIGS. Guess he should give the FT a bell. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/71cd1404-acb5-11e0-a2f3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1RvdVHF2M http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f3efcbe2-aca7-11e0-a2f3-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss
Clapham Saint Posted 13 July, 2011 Posted 13 July, 2011 It's a good job over-reaction is never interpretable as a sign of guilt...! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14126326 The quote is even worse when you see the gesticulation which accompanied it. I saw him on the news last night and everything about his response to the question looked like he'd planned how he should react and practically screamed "I'M LYING!"
No 2 to Maybush Posted 13 July, 2011 Posted 13 July, 2011 Agreed. Big fail on the believable protestation front.
Verbal Posted 13 July, 2011 Posted 13 July, 2011 Agreed. Big fail on the believable protestation front. Try it with any crook you care to mention. 'Richard Nixon, did you sanction the Watergate break in?' 'Good God! Absolutely not! I can't believe you just suggested that! Absolutely no!'
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