aintforever Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 I think it fairly clear that it leads as far as Rebekah brooks at least. Question is why all the slash and burn to protect her? I expect it goes higher. Maybe Cameron knew all about it before he hired that former editor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Cameron must be p*ssing himself that all his (and Bliars) journo/spin doctors/vote controllers are dropping like flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Well that's the screws gone, now lets aim to get the sun and the mail as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 At the time of it's announced closure, NOTW had 4 remaining advertisers: BSkyB, Tesco, Mars and British Gas. I wonder what their decision making was based on? Even the News of the World decided to pull out of the News of the World before they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Well that's the screws gone, now lets aim to get the sun and the mail as well Let's chuck in the star, mirror and express for good measure. A clean sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 The ex-chief of the NUJ has just confirmed that: "Sun journalists (have) walked out in protest at NoTW shutdown as Murdoch tries to buy out staff rights to consultation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 I expect it goes higher. Maybe Cameron knew all about it before he hired that former editor? It wouldn't surprise me. It was reported yesterday in The Spectator that Cameron and Brooks live very close to each other and have been known to go riding together. He is obviously under the thumb of Murdoch as well. And you have to question the logic behind appointing the former editor of a gutter rag like the NoTW as his PR guru. Such close links to not one but three hugely influential members of the same organisation. Is it possible that News International have something on Cameron that would destroy him if it ever got out, and they are all closing ranks to protect each others' interests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 The ex-chief of the NUJ has just confirmed that: "Sun journalists (have) walked out in protest at NoTW shutdown as Murdoch tries to buy out staff rights to consultation" http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=2153 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Another freelancer has reported that a NOTW journo has told him that internet is currently blocked at NOTW offices; Twitter has been blocked since the announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Tomorrow's Indy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 It wouldn't surprise me. It was reported yesterday in The Spectator that Cameron and Brooks live very close to each other and have been known to go riding together. He is obviously under the thumb of Murdoch as well. And you have to question the logic behind appointing the former editor of a gutter rag like the NoTW as his PR guru. Such close links to not one but three hugely influential members of the same organisation. Is it possible that News International have something on Cameron that would destroy him if it ever got out, and they are all closing ranks to protect each others' interests? I'm not sure Bexy, the problem is that if we pursue this line of argument then it becomes political, subjective and open to interpretation. We've already seen an attempt to label the BBC as just as bad, albeit a poorly thought out attempt. Personally I'd like to focus on just how f*cked up what NOTW did was, and how Murdoch can make reparation for that. It would be a shame if this became a tory v labour argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 OK so the Nowt has gone. But all this happened between 2003 & 2007. A couple of patsies got jailed. News Corp is rolling out the "we installed new Corporate Compliance Processes" line. But the cynic in me (and in some on the News Channels) starts to question even this. Nowt - profitable but falling numbers of readers, The Sun doesn't do Sundays. Would cost a fortune to close Nowt with huge rows politics & costs in order to make Sun 7 days AND CUT COSTS. Out of nowhere a simple solution occurs, the NEW hires at Nowt get scarred for life and fired and nobody will care by shutting them down in the cause of reader trust, leaving the stage clear to open the Sun on Sunday and make MORE proifts with lower overheads. All News Corp needs to do is to instigate a few leaks, cook up a cunning plan with the CEO of Nowt and bingo... The Guardian falls for the trap and does all the dirty work for them. At the same time managing to harm Cameron (wonder what he did to upset Murdoch?) Oh and some Cops will get jail terms.. Wonder what they did to upset..... Coulson could be in trouble for possible Perjury in a Court case in Scotland..... And through all this the CEO keeps their job. I'd think all the above was utter tripe except for that last piece. But then ouch Tories bite back and dealy the BSB takeover until at least September.. The gist of what the Nowt Journos were saying today about news Corp being cynical. This one's gonna get to run for quite a while.... Oh and on the Sun sub editors walk out - Sky News just now - they walked out, went to the Pub where the Nowt guys were but most were now back at work & the Paper isn't affected tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Just when the News of the World closes and you think the badly-written, reactionary, fairytale bullsh*t will end, dubai phil comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Just when the News of the World closes and you think the badly-written, reactionary, fairytale bullsh*t will end, dubai phil comes along. Why thankyou, appreciate the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 http://www.hasrebekahbrooksbeensackedyet.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Another freelancer has reported that a NOTW journo has told him that internet is currently blocked at NOTW offices; Twitter has been blocked since the announcement. Of course it has .... and you think people who were dealing in the sort of stuff they were dealing in couldn't get round a simple internet band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 LOL phil you dont half talk some shoite. Did your brother in law find another laptop with lots of emails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 OK so the Nowt has gone. But all this happened between 2003 & 2007. A couple of patsies got jailed. News Corp is rolling out the "we installed new Corporate Compliance Processes" line. But the cynic in me (and in some on the News Channels) starts to question even this. Nowt - profitable but falling numbers of readers, The Sun doesn't do Sundays. Would cost a fortune to close Nowt with huge rows politics & costs in order to make Sun 7 days AND CUT COSTS. Out of nowhere a simple solution occurs, the NEW hires at Nowt get scarred for life and fired and nobody will care by shutting them down in the cause of reader trust, leaving the stage clear to open the Sun on Sunday and make MORE proifts with lower overheads. All News Corp needs to do is to instigate a few leaks, cook up a cunning plan with the CEO of Nowt and bingo... The Guardian falls for the trap and does all the dirty work for them. At the same time managing to harm Cameron (wonder what he did to upset Murdoch?) Oh and some Cops will get jail terms.. Wonder what they did to upset..... Coulson could be in trouble for possible Perjury in a Court case in Scotland..... And through all this the CEO keeps their job. I'd think all the above was utter tripe except for that last piece. But then ouch Tories bite back and dealy the BSB takeover until at least September.. The gist of what the Nowt Journos were saying today about news Corp being cynical. This one's gonna get to run for quite a while.... Oh and on the Sun sub editors walk out - Sky News just now - they walked out, went to the Pub where the Nowt guys were but most were now back at work & the Paper isn't affected tomorrow... Sorry Phil but I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. This is a huge story, massive, and doesn't really need embellishment. NI have been reacting to events (events dear boy - never thought I'd quote MacMillan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 I'm not sure Bexy, the problem is that if we pursue this line of argument then it becomes political, subjective and open to interpretation. We've already seen an attempt to label the BBC as just as bad, albeit a poorly thought out attempt. Personally I'd like to focus on just how f*cked up what NOTW did was, and how Murdoch can make reparation for that. It would be a shame if this became a tory v labour argument. You're right, it would be a shame. But ask yourself this... Why aren't Labour making a hell of a lot more noise about this? Knowing what our two main parties are like in this country, they will normally jump on absolutely anything they can to try and attck and discredit the opposition. Cameron is determined to push ahead with a deal that will hand Murdoch control of over half of all broadcasting in the UK, despite no proper consultation and some serious public concerns about the integrity of the organisation and one former employee in particular: namely Cameron's former PR officer. Surely the opposition should be screaming from the rooftops about this situation, but instead they are strangely subdued. Why on earth is that? Murdoch cannot make reparation for this mess now. His first move today was very poor judgment IMO. You would think that he would want to improve his PR image at the moment; but closing the paper, laying off the workers and protecting the individual who was surely accountable for everything that transpired was a very poor way to go about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 You're right, it would be a shame. But ask yourself this... Why aren't Labour making a hell of a lot more noise about this? Knowing what our two main parties are like in this country, they will normally jump on absolutely anything they can to try and attck and discredit the opposition. Cameron is determined to push ahead with a deal that will hand Murdoch control of over half of all broadcasting in the UK, despite no proper consultation and some serious public concerns about the integrity of the organisation and one former employee in particular: namely Cameron's former PR officer. Surely the opposition should be screaming from the rooftops about this situation, but instead they are strangely subdued. Why on earth is that? Murdoch cannot make reparation for this mess now. His first move today was very poor judgment IMO. You would think that he would want to improve his PR image at the moment; but closing the paper, laying off the workers and protecting the individual who was surely accountable for everything that transpired was a very poor way to go about that. Well Ed does give a fairly damning interview about brooks on Newsnight tonight. Personally though I think if this becomes political then it would be easier to give Murdoch control of Bskyb. All the time the public are focussed on Murdoch then it becomes harder. Just my opinion and I guess we probably want the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 I seriously hope this isn't true: http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Sorry Phil but I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. This is a huge story, massive, and doesn't really need embellishment. NI have been reacting to events (events dear boy - never thought I'd quote MacMillan). Of course you could go one step further, just like those well known conspiracy theorists reuters do..... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Wish I had walked into a bookies last week with a quid and put it on there only ever being one more edition of the NotW. I'd be a millionaire today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Sorry Phil but I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. This is a huge story, massive, and doesn't really need embellishment. NI have been reacting to events (events dear boy - never thought I'd quote MacMillan). I spent 13 years working for Corporate America. Watching James Murdoch's interview and his very careful way of avoiding the Rebekha Brooks question about 4 times and then listening to the Deputy Editor of the Nowt (sad story for him and my sympathies). Obviously it is a far fetched idea, but it came from watching a good couple of hours of Sky this evening, what I learnt from my time and from those hours are 1) This story is changing and breaking SO fast that the News Channels cannot keep up - they answer one thing and two more have broken 2) A lot of innocent people have had their lives damaged, now at that paper as well as the victims. It wasn't a conspiracy theory, just me being cynical. Let's face it in theory (as some have also commented) it could lead to something really massive like Cameron having to go or maybe very senior Police Officers at the Met. None of us could know. All I DO know is that News Corp are a US Corporate fighting a major battle to stave off a "Disaster". They have whole teams of people that are trained how to do this from lawyers to Spin Doctors. Nowt staff call the closure of the paper cynical. Of course it was closed - it was hurting the NI brand. One thing I think is very clear - there is a lot more to come and it is likely to take a great many twists. And once again, How the hell could something that happened between 2003 & 2007 and was supposed to have been investigated, people jailed and be "all over" have suddenly exploded again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 I seriously hope this isn't true: http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/ Hmmm, a scary thought. It wouldn't surprise me. Destroy the evidence just on the off chance that an inquiriy is held and all hell breaks loose when the revelations are made. To an organisation and big and as powerful as NI, surely the redundancy of a few staff and a bit of short-term negative publicity is a small price to pay to prevent that happening. All allegedly, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Of course you could go one step further, just like those well known conspiracy theorists reuters do..... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/ PMSL - anyone got Androids phone number from down the road?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Of course you could go one step further, just like those well known conspiracy theorists reuters do..... http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/07/is-murdoch-free-to-destroy-tabloids-records/ Are you comparing the drivel that phil pawed into his computer with this entirely reasoned and sourced piece of journalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Hmmm, a scary thought. It wouldn't surprise me. Destroy the evidence just on the off chance that an inquiriy is held and all hell breaks loose when the revelations are made. To an organisation and big and as powerful as NI, surely the redundancy of a few staff and a bit of short-term negative publicity is a small price to pay to prevent that happening. All allegedly, of course. However, if you listen to the James Murdoch Interview on Sky News, he actual says words to the effect that "Rebekha was in charge of a full scale internal investigation which led the NOWT themselves to pass documents and information to the Police on a whole raft of this matter" The actual words he uses are on the video link currently in the centre of the Sky News website. So on that basis they told the Police everything.......... http://news.sky.com/skynews/ Because IF they haven't then after THAT interview News Corp really WILL be in the sh1t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Sorry Phil but I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. This is a huge story, massive, and doesn't really need embellishment. NI have been reacting to events (events dear boy - never thought I'd quote MacMillan). Watch the JM interview on the Sky Link. NI were not reacting to events - they instigated them from the files they passed to the Police...... But then the Guardian came along and control of events left NI - think that's a better explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Sorry Phil but I think that's a conspiracy theory too far. This is a huge story, massive, and doesn't really need embellishment. NI have been reacting to events (events dear boy - never thought I'd quote MacMillan). Sorry Revolution Saint but I think you're wrong & Phil is spot on. Sure we'll find out more in due course but the rumours are that the name was registered at companies house and the website name were registered earlier in the week. Yet to see that confirmed but if true, would you still think Phil was embellishing the story? Watch Murdoch drop the Sun now, just so he can get his grubby hands on BSkyB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 phil..... Your'e making corp hoar look credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 (edited) phil..... Your'e making corp hoar look credible. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/News-Of-The-World-Closes-Sky-News-Jon-Craig-Predicts-Sunday-Sun-After-Newspapers-Shock-Closure/Article/201107116026277?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_16026277_News_Of_The_World_Closes%3A_Sky_News_Jon_Craig_Predicts_Sunday_Sun_After_Newspapers_Shock_Closure Some senior business analysts take the view that the NOTW was tainted beyond repair. That may be true. Others have suggested that this is a cost-cutting exercise, designed to reduce staff numbers at Wapping. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8623905/News-of-the-World-to-close-on-Sunday-Twitter-reaction.html Beady-eyed tweeters, including Kamal Ahmed, the Sunday Telegraph's business editor, quickly spotted that Sun on Sunday web domains were registered two days ago and conspiracy theories abounded that this was a cynical plan to replace the News of the World with a 7-day-a-week Sun newspaper. All in the planning - sunonsunday.co.uk and sunonsunday.com registered two days ago #notwless than a minute ago via web Favorite Retweet ReplyKamal Ahmed Yeah Gemmel I type drivel mate. Oh yeah another one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8623870/News-of-the-World-how-soon-before-Sun-on-Sunday-rises.html One of the possible victims of phone hacking Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son David was one of the 52 people killed in 2005, said he was angry about the “cynical” decision to close the paper. "When I first heard about the closure, my first thoughts were 'Oh, fantastic'," Mr Foulkes said. "The only language (Rupert) Murdoch speaks is the dollar and this must have hit him hard. "But as I've learned more about it, it looks more and more like a commercial decision he has made, a cynical decision." Mark Borkowski, a publicity agent who represents many celebrities, said he was deeply sceptical of the idea of the News of the World being revived under the new name of "Sunday Sun" or "Sun on Sunday", without the accompanying resignation of Mrs Brooks and other executives. He said: "It's a publicity stunt, pure and simple. And what everyone misses is that the people who started this – the advertisers, the British Legion, the readers – they don't want the brand killed off. They want the scalps of the executives. They want to see those responsible hung out to dry." Edited 7 July, 2011 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Oh yeh! 2 + 2 does equal 261,779. Thanks phil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Oh, wait. None of that actually proves or suggests any of what you said. My mistake. I was almost taken in by it. Then I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Yeah Gemmel I type drivel mate. I don't want to have a go mate... Your'e a good Saints lad, but yes you do...you really ******* do type drivel. Enjoy the sun, enjoy the golf and enjoy the tax free status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 HUgh Grant is giving his best ever screen performance on Question Time right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Sorry Revolution Saint but I think you're wrong & Phil is spot on. Sure we'll find out more in due course but the rumours are that the name was registered at companies house and the website name were registered earlier in the week. Yet to see that confirmed but if true, would you still think Phil was embellishing the story? Watch Murdoch drop the Sun now, just so he can get his grubby hands on BSkyB. Registering the sunday sun earlier in the week actually shows Murdoch was reacting to events. Phil was implying they orchestrated this whole thing a long time before and I doubt that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Watch the JM interview on the Sky Link. NI were not reacting to events - they instigated them from the files they passed to the Police...... But then the Guardian came along and control of events left NI - think that's a better explanation. Except that the guardian have been on about this for several years before any files from NI went to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 Oh yeh! 2 + 2 does equal 261,779. Thanks phil. Whatever. FFS I wasn't posting a fact I typed But the cynic in me (and in some on the News Channels) starts to question even this. I posted that I question this and many other things that may come up. Other bloggers and analysts are asking similar questions. So just for once, I will reply directly. I am entitled by the forum rules to post my opinion and thoughts and you are entitled to question them although not in an unpleasant manner. I posted some links to others thinking the same way you haven't so for once I'll respond - Go feck yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 With the best will in the world, Phil, it's hard to see why you persist in grabbing the wrong end of the stick. Closing such a profit centre in the NI empire is not some sort of gleeful opportunity to rationalise - a decision in which The Guardian somehow unwittingly colluded by exposing the criminal conspiracy within NI. It is a desperate attempt to bury the scandal with the title, and to protect NI's broader commercial interests, particularly the BSkyB takeover. It is a panic measure, however many conspiracy theories suggesting 'convenience' swirl around it. And it won't work. There is a legal juggernaut running now, and it has 11,000 pages of evidence already in its possession. None of the sources you quote support your bizarre contention that the source of the scandal is a deliberately leaking NI itself, in some Machiavellian plot to close the paper. If Murdoch wanted to close the paper, he'd have simply closed the paper, as he did with Today all those years ago, without this ludicrous supposed song and dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 At the time of it's announced closure, NOTW had 4 remaining advertisers: BSkyB, Tesco, Mars and British Gas. I wonder what their decision making was based on? Even the News of the World decided to pull out of the News of the World before they did. A Tesco senior executive is also on the board of BskyB. Tesco are another company hell bent of world domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 Feck me Verbal Someone has a different opinion and perspective to you and you state they are grabbing the wrong end of the stick. what mnakes you hollier than thou ? perhaps you are holding the wrong end of the stick ? As Hugh Grant etc said on Question time lastnight, the other tabloids were also using underhand methods to obtain stories its just the NOW were exposed before the others were exposed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 And another thing that is bugging me how comes the Guardian Know that Mr Coulson is going to be arrested in a few hours on suscpicion in a few hours , have the police tipped the paper off. Or is it a case of speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 Feck me Verbal Someone has a different opinion and perspective to you and you state they are grabbing the wrong end of the stick. what mnakes you hollier than thou ? perhaps you are holding the wrong end of the stick ? As Hugh Grant etc said on Question time lastnight, the other tabloids were also using underhand methods to obtain stories its just the NOW were exposed before the others were exposed.. Thing is VW it wasn't an OPINION. It was a QUESTION stated as me being a cynic. The question simply came into my mind during the TV interview on Sky with Murdoch Junior. That interview was actually very informative and gave me some information I was not previously aware of when posting on the thread before. 1) Everything in this past week or so since BTW started this post relates to events between 8 and 4 years ago 2) In January News Int themselves sent all the 11,000 odd pages of information to the Police 3) Murdoch himself said " In 2006, the police focused their investigations on two men. Both went to jail. But the News of the World and News International failed to get to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing that occurred without conscience or legitimate purpose. Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued. As a result, the News of the World and News International wrongly maintained that these issues were confined to one reporter. We now have voluntarily given evidence to the police that I believe will prove that this was untrue and those who acted wrongly will have to face the consequences. This was not the only fault. The paper made statements to Parliament without being in the full possession of the facts. This was wrong. The Company paid out-of-court settlements approved by me. I now know that I did not have a complete picture when I did so. This was wrong and is a matter of serious regret. Currently, there are two major and ongoing police investigations. We are cooperating fully and actively with both. You know that it was News International who voluntarily brought evidence that led to opening Operation Weeting and Operation Elveden. This full cooperation will continue until the Police’s work is done". Now in the same manner as my previous, the Cynic in me asks another question. Is this all the result of an attempted cover-up and the throwing of one Journo to the wolves 5 years ago? If it wasn't a failed cover up then Nowt must have been almost comically lacking in Financial & Managerial Oversight and SOX type processes "IF" by Murdoch's own admission THEY didn't know what was going on..... (Sorry an MNC not knowing what is going on - they are AMERICAN, post Enron they MUST have compliant processes by LAW. Something went wrong in those investigations back in 2006 - they admit it. Back then the story was also damaging but did not have the emotive "Horror" of the new revelations. Oh, and Nowt gave the documents to the Police in January (Murdoch in his Sky Interview) (The cynic in me and many others asks why did it take SO long to carry out that investigation? Why January? Were News Corp afraid back then that something could leak and hurt the BSB takeover? Did that affect the date?) I will stand by my contention that Corporate America have Disaster Management Teams. News Corp state they placed Corporate Compliance specialists into the mess. Sure my "for cost cutting measures" may well be wide of the mark - it WAS a QUESTION, but the concept that at the core of this mess, News Corp has tried to manage all of this is something that HAS been admitted in Murdoch's defence of Brooks. The Guardian has published "Revelations". Well maybe that shifted the playing field and screwed their plans over. But then the cynic in me asks - How did the Guardian get that information? A leak from Nowt? Or from the Police? Hugh Grant had some things to say about "The Press" that should raise an eyebrow as to how that information was leaked. Now, what does a cynic make of THAT? This is a horrific mess and a lot of the story is still to come. Cameron goes Horse Riding with Brooks... Labour are reorted on the Telegraph "Nowt Live page" to employ EX Nowt staff from back in the days. Lots and lots of tangled webs and allegations all over the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 HUgh Grant is giving his best ever screen performance on Question Time right now. Agreed. I always thought he was a bit of a gormless prat, but he was very good last night and fought his corner well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 (edited) I am entitled by the forum rules to post my opinion and thoughts and you are entitled to question them Eh? When did that rule come into effect?! I've always assumed the rules said: "You are entitled to post your opinion to which anyone who disagrees with it will distastefully shout you down and call you a mong" These forum rule changes need to be publicised more clearly IMHO.... ;-) Edited 8 July, 2011 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 Which is greater? The number of "u-turns" by the ConDems, or the number of bandwagons that Miliband clambours upon? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14073718 "Labour leader Ed Miliband has called for the Press Complaints Commission to be scrapped in the wake of the phone hacking scandal at the News of World. He said the PCC was "a toothless poodle" and a new body with "proper investigative powers" was needed." Anyone keeping count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 Dubai Phil does live in a funny old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 Millibean's repeated mentioning of the Cameron/Coulson connection is a bit misguided IMO. Whilst Coulson may be shown to have been up to his ears in it when he was at NOTW, and he may not, he is hardly the first in the line of dubious Downing Street PR men and I don't recall him ever fabricating a dossier to support an illegal war. It's not as though Millibean had nothing to do with the previous administration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2011 Share Posted 8 July, 2011 I just tried 'hacking' into my own phone only to find I couldn't because I had changed the voicemail PIN when I purchased it a couple of years ago. Of course I'm not condoning illegal and immoral behaviour, but if more people were security conscious then it wouldn't be easy to hack in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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