New depths?

[Hatch]

It's the same bloke who has already been in prison, so I guess as it's a different 'victim' he can go down again,

[bridge too far]

Labour have been sucking up to RM, since Kinnock lost the 92 election. They're as bad as the Torys when it comes to News International.

 

Worse I think

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/has-cameron-done-a-deal-with-murdoch-1819010.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-murdoch-and-a-greek-island-freebie-971470.html

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/20/david-cameron-speech-at-rupert-murdoch-hq

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/28/why-is-cameron-so-deferential-to-murdoch

[Lord Duckhunter]

Dont try and say Labour wouldd be any differant. Blair and Brown spent years sucking up to him.

 

Unfortunatly, political debate in this country seems to involve, not winning the arguement, but winning over Trevor Kavanagh ect.

[trousers]

It's bad enough that you bankers hoodwinked yourselves and everyone else

Not guilty m'lud. Not a banker, never have been. Unless that's a typo of course.... ;-)

 

But to then blame it on a bunch of politicians - who, no matter how awful they may be, are completely irrelevant to international bankers - is pretty staggering.

Agree. Which is why it was a jolly good job I wasn't casting an opinion on such matters, nor "blaming politicians" in my post. I was simply reflecting what I perceive to be inconsistent logic on the part of Mr Milliband.

 

Rebekah Wade should go. It didn't just happen 'on her watch' - she was responsible for the culture at NoW that created this mess.

 

Agree. In the same way politicians (of all colours) were "responsible" for allowing the banking "culture" to carry on regardless.

 

But, yes, going off topic so happy to park the tangental discussion for this thread.

Edited 5 July, 2011 by trousers

[KMondo]

And to think, the powers that be want to allow Murdoch to increase his control of the British media.

 

38 degrees have a petition up and running, if you're interested.

 

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/murdoch-deal-petition#petition

 

Doubt it will make much difference, but on the other hand they managed to stop the forest sell-off, so you never know.

[revolution saint]

There have been a few instances of firms doing something so stupid and repugnant that they've never really recovered. The one that springs to mind is Gerald Ratner (although that was just stupid), and doesn't The Sun still have a particularly low circulation in Merseyside?

 

I could easily see sales of NOTW suffering very badly because this is something so disgusting and without moral. That said I never buy those papers anyway so it's hard to know what the diehards will do. You would have thought a rival tabloid would be out to make an awful lot of capital out of this.

[Verbal]

If you want to register your opposition to Murdoch's takeover of BSkyB, you can add your signature here and it will be forwarded to Jeremy Hunt at the DCMS. Public consultation on his decision only runs until this Friday.

 

http://www.avaaz.org/en/murdoch_messages_2/96.php

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

There have been a few instances of firms doing something so stupid and repugnant that they've never really recovered. The one that springs to mind is Gerald Ratner (although that was just stupid), and doesn't The Sun still have a particularly low circulation in Merseyside?

 

I could easily see sales of NOTW suffering very badly because this is something so disgusting and without moral. That said I never buy those papers anyway so it's hard to know what the diehards will do. You would have thought a rival tabloid would be out to make an awful lot of capital out of this.

 

They've been suspiciously quiet. It's almost as if they may have been involved in phone hacking themselves. Surely not......

[bridge too far]

It's now being reported that the phones of the families of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were targeted!

 

Dear God

[trousers]

The thing that surprises me most is how surprised people are at how tabloid newspapers get their stories...

 

(And, no Mr V, that's not me casting an opinion that their methods are 'ok'....just a small observation on human kind....)

[bridge too far]

Ford Motor Company and NPower 'reviewing their advertising' with NOTW

[Lord Duckhunter]

Ford Motor Company and NPower 'reviewing their advertising' with NOTW

 

This is the end game now. NOTW know that the British people can complain all they like and make out they dislike The Sun and NOTW, but the circulation figures speak for themselves. If the advertisers pull out then it's the end of the road.Brooks will lose her job as RM will ruthlessly try and distance himself from this.

[revolution saint]

This is the end game now. NOTW know that the British people can complain all they like and make out they dislike The Sun and NOTW, but the circulation figures speak for themselves. If the advertisers pull out then it's the end of the road.Brooks will lose her job as RM will ruthlessly try and distance himself from this.

 

Indeed. Advertisers don't want to be associated with a tarnished brand and that's what NOTW is now. I seriously doubt they'll be able to recover any kind of reputation.

[Sheaf Saint]

Indeed. Advertisers don't want to be associated with a tarnished brand and that's what NOTW is now. I seriously doubt they'll be able to recover any kind of reputation.

 

It's quite sad but true that advertising is what makes the world go round these days. It was only because as couple of major sponsors raised concerns that Bernie Ecclestone caved in to public opinion and cancelled the Bahrain grand prix, otherwise I'm sure he would have pressed ahead with it.

[Seaford Saint]

If Holly and Jessica were targeted its the end for the News of the World....seriously have to question who knew what......there are no words

[Thedelldays]

If Holly and Jessica were targeted its the end for the News of the World....seriously have to question who knew what......there are no words

 

I bet this does not stop with the news of the world either....sun, mirror, mail, guardian, people...bet they have all been at it

[bridge too far]

I bet this does not stop with the news of the world either....sun, mirror, mail, guardian, people...bet they have all been at it

 

I think it unlikely that the Guardian has been 'at it' TBH

[revolution saint]

I think it unlikely that the Guardian has been 'at it' TBH

 

I doubt whether any of the broadsheets would have sunk so low and I agree about The Guardian. It's had to rigourously defend itself quite a few times over the last 20 years or so and has been successful (Jonathan Aitken anyone?). Mirror possibly - they did doctor photos a while ago. On the face of it this seems a cultural thing in the NOTW though and it appears as if they have got used to this method of investigation.

[Thedelldays]

I think it unlikely that the Guardian has been 'at it' TBH

yeah...not those...everyone else but them lot....

[View From The Top]

yeah...not those...everyone else but them lot....

 

I'd be gob smacked in any of the broadsheets had been at it.

[Thedelldays]

I'd be gob smacked in any of the broadsheets had been at it.

 

I would not trust any of them

[The Cat]

In an interview a few months ago Max Clifford said he thought phone hacking was "rife" in Fleet Street

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12298187

 

I'm now waiting for the day the Daily Mail get drawn into this somehow.

[View From The Top]

I would not trust any of them

 

Of course not but the journalism at all of the broadsheets is of a different style and different culture to the red tops.

[The Cat]

It's now being reported that the phones of the families of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were targeted!

 

Dear God

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/05/phone-hacking-soham-families-police

[Jonnyboy]

If Holly and Jessica were targeted its the end for the News of the World....seriously have to question who knew what......there are no words

 

delldays will still back them to the hilt though

[Thedelldays]

delldays will still back them to the hilt though

 

why...

[Jonnyboy]

why...

 

Im not sure, care to explain?

[revolution saint]

I would not trust any of them

 

 

Interesting point. Have you anything to suggest other papers are involved? Otherwise it's pretty irrelevant.

[Thedelldays]

Interesting point. Have you anything to suggest other papers are involved? Otherwise it's pretty irrelevant.

 

max clifford said it was rife in fleet street..these reporters and editors all move around the various papers..I just cannot believe that this is solely a news of the world problem

[revolution saint]

max clifford said it was rife in fleet street..these reporters and editors all move around the various papers..I just cannot believe that this is solely a news of the world problem

 

And sometimes they go and work for the govt too - are you suggesting Andy Coulson has implemented the same phone tapping and breach of law as an employee of the conservative party? No, of course you're not. Fact is until any allegations surface, if there are any, then it's restricted to the NOTW. Given their tactics I would have thought the NOTW would have uncovered anything dodgy in another paper anyway....

[Thedelldays]

And sometimes they go and work for the govt too - are you suggesting Andy Coulson has implemented the same phone tapping and breach of law as an employee of the conservative party? No, of course you're not. Fact is until any allegations surface, if there are any, then it's restricted to the NOTW. Given their tactics I would have thought the NOTW would have uncovered anything dodgy in another paper anyway....

what ever

[solentstars]

max clifford said it was rife in fleet street..these reporters and editors all move around the various papers..I just cannot believe that this is solely a news of the world problem

i agree and i would not be surprised if that nasty little hate rag the daily mail have used these disgusting methods also.

[Sheaf Saint]

So it is now confirmed that as CEO of News International, Rebecca Brooks will lead the investigation into this affair herself. Given that she was editor in charge of the NOTW at the time this allegedly took place, isn't that like asking Hitler to investigate Nazi war crimes?

[Hatch]

We just need the big supermarkets to stop selling the paper.

 

Tescos can afford to take the short term loss it may cause them

[pedg]

Hopefully goodbye Rebekah, see you at the trial...

 

http://twitpic.com/5lq1db/full

[Gemmel]

Just seen the first full report on the news. Police confirming they are investigating other papers.

 

Always enjoyed the notw, not as informative cutting edge journalism, but light hearted drivel and good sports pages.... perfect for Sunday morning hangover.

 

I can never buy it again and in my 40 years that is the first consumer protest I have ever made..... utterly utterly disgusted.

[Hatch]

Always enjoyed the notw, not as informative cutting edge journalism, but light hearted drivel and good sports pages.... perfect for Sunday morning hangover.

 

I can never buy it again and in my 40 years that is the first consumer protest I have ever made..... utterly utterly disgusted.

 

ditto

[dubai_phil]

BTW if you said Dear God to that earlier post then you are gonna be struggling for the right words to this one

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/8619373/News-of-the-World-bereaved-relatives-of-77-victims-had-phones-hacked.html

 

Bereaved relatives of the July 7 bombings had their phones hacked by journalists at the News of the World, police believe.

 

[Wade Garrett]

I won't buy anything that Murdoch prints now, and if he takes over Sky i'll chuck that in as well.

 

What has happened is below sick.

[revolution saint]

Just seen the first full report on the news. Police confirming they are investigating other papers.

 

Always enjoyed the notw, not as informative cutting edge journalism, but light hearted drivel and good sports pages.... perfect for Sunday morning hangover.

 

I can never buy it again and in my 40 years that is the first consumer protest I have ever made..... utterly utterly disgusted.

 

I've not seen that anywhere, have you got a link?

 

Meanwhile this shows how a bit of money hushes things up. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/08/murdoch-papers-phone-hacking

[dubai_phil]

Telegraph Article above

Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, said there was evidence to suggest that someone had attempted to access the mobile phones of people close to the couple after their daughter, Madeleine, disappeared in Portugal in 2007.

The family of Natasha Hogan, whose six-year-old son was thrown to his death from the balcony of a hotel in Crete by his father in 2006, believed that her mobile phone was hacked and planned to contact police.

Linda Bowman, the mother of Sally Anne Bowman, 18, an aspiring model murdered in Croydon in 2005, said the disclosure about Milly increased her suspicions that her daughter’s mobile may also have been a target in the aftermath of her death.

It was also suggested that Sara Payne, who co-operated with the News of the World in its anti-paedophilia campaign after the murder of her daughter, Sarah, in 2000, may have been hacked. But she insisted that she had no evidence that she had been a target and had not been contacted by the police.

 

This is beyond anything

 

The McCanns, Sara Payne and others.....

[dubai_phil]

Oh, one other question...

 

Didn't the Police decide NOT to follow up allegations some time back? What happened to the idiot that made THAt decision? I assume he(she) ain't getting their pension cut like others and still has a "senior position"....

[Verbal]

Don't worry. Rebekah Brooks is leading an investigation into herself. The truth will come out.

[Sour Mash]

Just seen the first full report on the news. Police confirming they are investigating other papers.

 

Always enjoyed the notw, not as informative cutting edge journalism, but light hearted drivel and good sports pages.... perfect for Sunday morning hangover.

 

I can never buy it again and in my 40 years that is the first consumer protest I have ever made..... utterly utterly disgusted.

 

Exactly the same as me, always enjoyed it for what it is, won't ever buy it again now .

Edited 5 July, 2011 by Sour Mash

[CB Saint]

Looks like Brooks is hanging Coulson out to dry

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

 

what is the betting the he has something on her?

Edited 6 July, 2011 by CB Saint

[CB Saint]

I won't buy anything that Murdoch prints now, and if he takes over Sky i'll chuck that in as well.

 

What has happened is below sick.

 

doesn't already control sky by default through the size of his existing shareholding and the fact that his son sits in the hot seat?

[ecuk268]

I see that there's an emergency debate in the Commons today this issue.

 

When it was put to a vote, no ministers voted in favour and only a handful of Tories.

 

Surely Murdoch can't have bought all of them?

[Verbal]

I see that there's an emergency debate in the Commons today this issue.

 

When it was put to a vote, no ministers voted in favour and only a handful of Tories.

 

Surely Murdoch can't have bought all of them?

 

It is worrying that the Tories are behaving like this. Some of it is down to the fact that going against any part of the Murdoch empire is like going again the Scientologists - they'll target you and attempt to discredit you with a relentless determination. But some of it, unfortunately, is that many in the Tory hierarchy are fatally committed to doing the Murdoch empire favours in return for political support (witness Jeremy Hunt's decision to rubber stamp the BSkyB takeover - in no one's interest except Murdoch's).

[bridge too far]

What is now bothering me almost as much as the news about hacking is the fact that the NOTW paid police for information.

 

How can there be a transparent police investigation if the investigators employ those who've been paid?

[ecuk268]

It is worrying that the Tories are behaving like this. Some of it is down to the fact that going against any part of the Murdoch empire is like going again the Scientologists - they'll target you and attempt to discredit you with a relentless determination. But some of it, unfortunately, is that many in the Tory hierarchy are fatally committed to doing the Murdoch empire favours in return for political support (witness Jeremy Hunt's decision to rubber stamp the BSkyB takeover - in no one's interest except Murdoch's).

 

To be fair to the Tories (and I don't say that very often), Blair's mob were the same.

 

I was amazed to hear on R4 on Sunday a member of one of the Select Committees say that they didn't put Ms Brookes under too much pressure because of unspoken threats that their private lives would be delved into and any past "problems" splashed all over the tabloids.