Saint in Paradise Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Strong rumour over here that Murdock will hand over power to a new man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Do people really think that this Hoare chap was "taken Out"? Or could it be that due to his history of drink and drug abuse he either relapsed and od'd or his body finally succumbed to the abuse. I'm sure it was as a result of his somewhat hard living, but if you looked at this from a distance - phone hacking, blagging, pinging, snooping, sackings, arrests, resignations, national papers shutting down, mega business deals being pulled, Prime Ministers and officials compromised, fraud, corruption, inquiries, witnesses dying and people digging in bins trying to retrieve accidentally thrown out lap tops - then you would think it was a rather OTT Grisham novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 I'm sure it was as a result of his somewhat hard living, but if you looked at this from a distance - phone hacking, blagging, pinging, snooping, sackings, arrests, resignations, national papers shutting down, mega business deals being pulled, Prime Ministers and officials compromised, fraud, corruption, inquiries, witnesses dying and people digging in bins trying to retrieve accidentally thrown out lap tops - then you would think it was a rather OTT Grisham novel. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8646577/Phone-hacking-Police-examine-bag-found-in-bin-near-Rebekah-Brookss-home.html The co-incidences are getting more unrealstic than on the poopey takeover thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Meanwhile....in other news....the Euro is on the verge of collapse with another banking crisis looming... Perspective anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Meanwhile....in other news....the Euro is on the verge of collapse with another banking crisis looming... Perspective anyone?You know, even though we never joined the Euro, it seems that as soon as: 1. The Euro drops 2. The Dollar drops 3. FTSE drops 4. Wall St drops the Pound suffers. I'm sure that there are other factors involved here. All I know is that everything keeps getting dearer for us and the people who should be controlling this and looking after our financial interests are getting very rich off the back of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 You know, even though we never joined the Euro, it seems that as soon as: 1. The Euro drops 2. The Dollar drops 3. FTSE drops 4. Wall St drops the Pound suffers. I'm sure that there are other factors involved here. All I know is that everything keeps getting dearer for us and the people who should be controlling this and looking after our financial interests are getting very rich off the back of it. Would totally agree with that. I don't remember a time in my lifetime that every was so "expensive" in comparison to income. I guess the closest would be in the late 80s when interest rates were really high and my parents had to make huge cut-backs? I pop in our local shop most days to get provisions; bread, milk, fruit juice, maybe some chicken etc., at least £25 each time ... madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 still a bit OTT to call for cameron to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 still a bit OTT to call for cameron to go... At THIS point in time with the information in the public domain to date. AND ditto with the historical "goings on" and "lack of inquiries" in the time between 2003 when this started and today. Hence why should keep balance not politics in this. Oh and the Euro collapse. Well, guess what next - yep time to help out all those poor starving Bankers with tax money again. Ask the Greeks & Irish how they feel about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 (edited) At THIS point in time with the information in the public domain to date. AND ditto with the historical "goings on" and "lack of inquiries" in the time between 2003 when this started and today. Hence why should keep balance not politics in this. Oh and the Euro collapse. Well, guess what next - yep time to help out all those poor starving Bankers with tax money again. Ask the Greeks & Irish how they feel about it all well and good for red ed and co to have a pop and people to say cameron should stand down.....isnt their PR guy an ex NOTW hack...? surely also guilty by association.. and werent the NOTW out of control on labours watch...whilst blair and brown cozied up to them..??? anyway...this beyond party colours so if one goes, they all should... as for the EURO....well, what a shocker..remember (as dune would say) the liberal elite on here saying we should have joined not so long ago and we should stop being "little englanders"... keep your EURO thanks...and whilst that goes under, lets tear up the sham that is the EU as we know it and start again Edited 19 July, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 still a bit OTT to call for cameron to go... Who is calling for Cameron to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Who is calling for Cameron to go? countless people I have heard on various radio phone-ins across numerous stations..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 countless people I have heard on various radio phone-ins across numerous stations..... Oh, radio station callers, OK, thanks. (but not red ed as you've stated above, he's merely suggested an apology might be forthcoming!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Oh, radio station callers, OK, thanks. (but not red ed as you've stated above, he's merely suggested an apology might be forthcoming!) Mind you it would be a fair guess to say that perhaps Dave is waiting to add a few more items into his apology list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Oh, radio station callers, OK, thanks. (but not red ed as you've stated above, he's merely suggested an apology might be forthcoming!) whats the "oh" about. you smarmy ****..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 whats the "oh" about. you smarmy ****..? LOL, your outrage is due to a few loons ringing in a radio station and you then somehow extrapolate that to it being Milliband demanding he resign (which he never has). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 LOL, your outrage is due to a few loons ringing in a radio station and you then somehow extrapolate that to it being Milliband demanding he resign (which he never has). what out rage...just said it was a it OTT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 what out rage...just said it was a it OTT..... OK, your point is solely based on a few loons ringing in a radio station and you then somehow extrapolate that to it being Milliband demanding he resign (which he never has). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 OK, your point is solely based on a few loons ringing in a radio station and you then somehow extrapolate that to it being Milliband demanding he resign (which he never has). feck me...just made a one line comment on a nothing football message board that people asking cameron to resign is a tad OTT...and then made another point that all this is above party colours and should one resign I cant see it stopping there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 feck me...just made a one line comment on a nothing football message board that people asking cameron to resign is a tad OTT...and then made another point that all this is above party colours and should one resign I cant see it stopping there.... And then followed it up by claiming Red Ed is calling for Cameron to resign, when he actually isn't (radio callers leaps to Leader of the opposition-nice). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 And then followed it up by claiming Red Ed is calling for Cameron to resign, when he actually isn't (radio callers leaps to Leader of the opposition-nice). where..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 On a lighter note, it appears these days that the UK Parliament is occupied by a bunch of t1ts. Perhaps the Ruskies have a better way to link t1ts & Politics, might rekindle some interest and some mass debates on important subjects. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8647028/Russian-girls-urged-to-strip-for-Putin.html We await further developments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Don't forget to tune in for the select comittee grillings Murdochs 1430 hrs Brooks 1530 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 where..? Right here (before you edited it - good job I had another window open!!!) all well and good for red ed and co to say cameron should stand down Slippery editing like that would get you a job at NI!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Right here (before you edited it - good job I had another window open!!!) Slippery editing like that would get you a job at NI!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Sir Paul Stevenson has made it clear that he made no swipe at the prime minister. He comes accross as a thoroughly honourable man who resigned purely in the interests of the force he served with distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 What is most interesting is that Boris Johnson failed to defend David Cameron when pressed on whether Cameron should resign. Because of that, a resignation is still open and it gets you wondering, what don't we know? I dislike Sir Paul Stephenson. He was squirming on the free hospitality stuff though, he is on 250k a year for christ sake. He needs to admit that taking it when Wallis had connections to it was WRONG. He is meant to be our top police officer and so totally clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Stephenson not coming across too well at the moment. This just doesn't look good. This whole event is disastrous for the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Stephenson not coming across too well at the moment. This just doesn't look good. This whole event is disastrous for the police. hes either dodgy or incredibly nieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 hes either dodgy or incredibly nieve. There are several issues which stand out for me as leaving a cloud over him. They could be nothing, but he didn't address them in the correct manner. - The 'compromising of the PM' - He is a police officer first and foremost, he must be able to lead an investigation properly regardless of the PM's relationships. This creates further worry over Cameron's relationship with Coulson. - The free spa stuff from an establishment which Wallis had business connections with when Wallis had been hired on a 1k per day, 2 days a month advisory role(that's a lot of money for a little work) - The seeming revolving door between the met and NI, Met PC's seem to leave the Met and go on to have columns(Heyman etc) and then NI men seem to come in the other direction(Wallis). Something stinks. - The hiring of Wallis like it was when Yates seemed to have been on very good friendly terms with him for 12 years. Why didn't Stephenson investigate further? Those are just 4 I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Stephenson not coming across too well at the moment. This just doesn't look good. This whole event is disastrous for the police. He came across very well. Fedorcio and Yates are not coming across well. Fedorcios answers were not satisafctory hence he has been called back and I expect yates will be called back too because it's very dodgy how he "acted as a mailbox" between Wallis's daughter and the personnel department. Clearly if a high ranking officer passes on a job application it'll carry weight despite Yates thinking this is a normal and acceptable practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 He came across very well. Fedorcio and Yates are not coming across well. Fedorcios answers were not satisafctory hence he has been called back and I expect yates will be called back too because it's very dodgy how he "acted as a mailbox" between Wallis's daughter and the personnel department. Clearly if a high ranking officer passes on a job application it'll carry weight despite Yates thinking this is a normal and acceptable practice. Well, I disagree with you for the 4 reasons I stated above. There are several issues which stand out for me as leaving a cloud over him. They could be nothing, but he didn't address them in the correct manner. - The 'compromising of the PM' - He is a police officer first and foremost, he must be able to lead an investigation properly regardless of the PM's relationships. This creates further worry over Cameron's relationship with Coulson. - The free spa stuff from an establishment which Wallis had business connections with when Wallis had been hired on a 1k per day, 2 days a month advisory role(that's a lot of money for a little work) - The seeming revolving door between the met and NI, Met PC's seem to leave the Met and go on to have columns(Heyman etc) and then NI men seem to come in the other direction(Wallis). Something stinks. - The hiring of Wallis like it was when Yates seemed to have been on very good friendly terms with him for 12 years. Why didn't Stephenson investigate further? Those are just 4 I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Well, I disagree with you Humans? Different opinions? I can't see this philosophy catching on to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 You may think it's funny, but it looks cretinously underhand to me at least - especially since you'd used the sneaky editing to justify the abuse you launched at Um. As UP says, you couldn't have chosen a better thread for pulling that stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 That's the end of Rupert Murdoch then - amazingly hesitant and clearly out of touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 That's the end of Rupert Murdoch then - amazingly hesitant and clearly out of touch. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.....he's either a very good actor or a doddery old fool.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 That's the end of Rupert Murdoch then - amazingly hesitant and clearly out of touch. I have to agree. He is coming across incredibly badly and not on top of anything. His son however, seems more on the details. The whole thing is dogey though. I do not believe that neither of them knew anything about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 He is coming across incredibly badly and not on top of anything.... Intentionally I would venture.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Intentionally I would venture.... Interesting idea. Save his son, ensure the succession. Murdoch looks bloody clueless though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Intentionally I would venture.... Look at the body language of his wife sitting behind - she's willing him to get through it. Murdoch's performance is painful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 My buddies in IT Security just commented on an interesting Internet rumour... Various (proper) hacking groups - inc one called Anonymous have "vowed to take down Murdoch & his family & NI execs " by accessing personal and corporate data and publishing it into media such as Wikileaks. Apparently their is no shortage of volunteers. Pandora's box Post #493 of a week ago. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8647138/News-International-faces-threats-over-hacked-emails.html Give my IT Security Buddies their due, they knew itw as coming, so how come NI didn't beef up security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Interesting how murdoch's hearing and memory comes back when asked less intimidating questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 EXCLUSIVE: Rupert and James Murdoch quickly attempt to remember who they do actually know in their company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Christ, James Murdoch can't even fake sincerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 The questioning itself seems good, but they all keep deciding to add in their opinions or interpretations to what are supposed to be questions of facts which means they don't get full answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 That's the end of Rupert Murdoch then - amazingly hesitant and clearly out of touch. He is in his 80's. Personally I was very impressed by Rupert for a man of his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 He is in his 80's. Personally I was very impressed by Rupert for a man of his age. Are you impressed with him when you consider he is head of a massive multi-national company which has wielded untold influence over our politics for decades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Are you impressed with him when you consider he is head of a massive multi-national company which has wielded untold influence over our politics for decades? Yes and I admire him. I'd have done the same thing and applaud his stance against Socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Yes and I admire him. I'd have done the same thing and applaud his stance against Socialism. Stand against socialism? His papers supported New Labour for more than a decade. And right now, he is Ed Miliband's most successful recruiting sergeant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 Stand against socialism? His papers supported New Labour for more than a decade. And right now, he is Ed Miliband's most successful recruiting sergeant. It was pleasing to hear that circulation dropped by 200k when they decided to back Blair. British people (particularly the English) are Conservative by nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 July, 2011 Share Posted 19 July, 2011 It was pleasing to hear that circulation dropped by 200k when they decided to back Blair. British people (particularly the English) are Conservative by nature. Newspaper circulation has been dropping rapidly regardless of what political party they support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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