Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Brighton needed him more than us. They were sh1te at the end of last season and only went up falling over the line. They are desperate to stop heading straight back to League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I thought that our 'offer' for him was deemed far too low by Peterborough. I had not read anywhere that we updated it. Brighton is a strange choice as the paper reported he was going to sign for QPR. You should not believe all you read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I thought that our 'offer' for him was deemed far too low by Peterborough. I had not read anywhere that we updated it. Brighton is a strange choice as the paper reported he was going to sign for QPR. You should not believe all you read. he was.......so said barry fry but QPR pulled out at the last min...well, the owners of QPR pulled the plug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 See Allardyce is saying that he went to BHA for purely money reasons...am happy we don't pay over the odds for relatively unproven players...particularly at this level. Of course he could be a revelation but if it was your money would you take that chance? Nor me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Brighton needed him more than us. They were sh1te at the end of last season and only went up falling over the line. They are desperate to stop heading straight back to League 1. No, Brighton were not '****e' at the end of the season. They had promotion guaranteed with 5 games left and the League 1 title sown up early enough they didn't need to bother. In fact, the whole squad was taken off on holiday to Spain before the season ended! See Allardyce is saying that he (CMS) went to BHA for purely money reasons...am happy we don't pay over the odds for relatively unproven players...particularly at this level. Of course he could be a revelation but if it was your money would you take that chance? Nor me! We are supposed to be owned by multi-millionaires, so what a fan on a few score grand a year would pay is immaterial. The market is set by what other clubs will pay for any particular player so it is never 'over the odds' to match the best bid. Maybe we didn't bid for CMS because we were waiting on Sharp and it wasn't practicable to turn to CMS quickly enough when Sharp turned us down. But it still sticks in the throat to see the best L1 striker from last season go to a rival, especially because we don't seem to have any other activity going on. This would be easier to take if we were just about to sign a recognised quality player for CMF where the need looks greatest - but are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 CMS's record is really no better than Ricky's (Last 4 seasons CMS 19, 26, 11, 34 RL 19, 29, 37, 21). TBF CMS would have probably scored more in League 1 the season he got just 11, but going the other way CMS's 19 goal season was in League 2 so it balances out. I just don't think CMS qualifies in the 'better than what we have' category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 CMS's record is really no better than Ricky's (Last 4 seasons CMS 19, 26, 11, 34 RL 19, 29, 37, 21). TBF CMS would have probably scored more in League 1 the season he got just 11, but going the other way CMS's 19 goal season was in League 2 so it balances out. I just don't think CMS qualifies in the 'better than what we have' category. doesn't take penalties though, Lambert had a very poor goalscoring season last year by his standards if you take away the 7 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Wouldn't want a player who recently won a full international cap, even if it was only for Scotland, not sure why, but not overly excited about the fact that he played 3 minutes, in a friendly, for the 61st best team in international football!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 We are supposed to be owned by multi-millionaires, so what a fan on a few score grand a year would pay is immaterial. The market is set by what other clubs will pay for any particular player so it is never 'over the odds' to match the best bid. Maybe we didn't bid for CMS because we were waiting on Sharp and it wasn't practicable to turn to CMS quickly enough when Sharp turned us down. But it still sticks in the throat to see the best L1 striker from last season go to a rival, especially because we don't seem to have any other activity going on. This would be easier to take if we were just about to sign a recognised quality player for CMF where the need looks greatest - but are we? Actually, I think you'll find that we turned Sharp down, not vice versa. How do I know this? I don't. But then you don't know that he turned us down either, do you? Maybe, just maybe, we didn't bid for CMS because we didn't want him. Hard to believe, I know, but just give it a go. Also, if a player wants more than we think he's worth, then we won't pay it and neither should we, billionaires or not. If someone else thinks he's worth it, let them pay it and we'll all see how it works out. The going rate is one thing, overpaying quite another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 But it still sticks in the throat to see the best L1 striker from last season go to a rival, especially because we don't seem to have any other activity going on. This would be easier to take if we were just about to sign a recognised quality player for CMF where the need looks greatest - but are we? worth remembering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 It will be interesting to see how CMS fares with the tactics of Brighton rather than the posh. Lets be fair here, posh scored goals for fun with 2 good wide players and a very attack minded side. The same can not be said of Brighton last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 It will be interesting to see how CMS fares with the tactics of Brighton rather than the posh. Lets be fair here, posh scored goals for fun with 2 good wide players and a very attack minded side. The same can not be said of Brighton last season. Very much agree with this. I also think it's interesting if CMS has gone to Brighton for really big wages, as it could really disrupt whatever pay structure they have in place and cause team disharmony etc. This is one of my worries if we are looking to sign David Nugent, I don't see him settling for less than £20,000 a week, and is he really going to make that much of a difference to us to justify breaking any pay structure we may already have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 doesn't take penalties though, Lambert had a very poor goalscoring season last year by his standards if you take away the 7 penalties. Are penalties not goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I just don't think CMS qualifies in the 'better than what we have' category. Why are people comparing Lambert to CMS - they are different players. Surely a more relevant benchmark is Barny and I doubt even people on here believe Barny is better than CMS. Amusing to see who many people on here change their tune. One day CMS is the bees knees; now he's a waste of money, unproven or unconvincing at championship level, no better than what we have etc etc. You can rationalise anything and this is revisionism that would make even the most deluded, pravda-reading footy fan wince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Are penalties not goals? And if they're not then surely any goals scored from 12 yards or less in open play shouldn't be counted either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 No, Brighton were not '****e' at the end of the season. They had promotion guaranteed with 5 games left and the League 1 title sown up early enough they didn't need to bother. In fact, the whole squad was taken off on holiday to Spain before the season ended! We are supposed to be owned by multi-millionaires, so what a fan on a few score grand a year would pay is immaterial. The market is set by what other clubs will pay for any particular player so it is never 'over the odds' to match the best bid. Maybe we didn't bid for CMS because we were waiting on Sharp and it wasn't practicable to turn to CMS quickly enough when Sharp turned us down. But it still sticks in the throat to see the best L1 striker from last season go to a rival, especially because we don't seem to have any other activity going on. This would be easier to take if we were just about to sign a recognised quality player for CMF where the need looks greatest - but are we? I think (ignoring the puerile point re a fan's income) the point is that you pay for or pay what you feel a player is worth - it's irrelevant what the Liebherr family are worth if you can't see the value in a high-priced but largely unproven (at Championship level) player. Generally people like a bargain (at 3.25 million CMS certainly wasn't!) but mostly they're looking for value for money and being able to do the job at a sensible cost...Man City & Chelski might be the exception to this as they appear to be able to p*ss away high priced players but we're being run on sustainable lines. Is Ricky worth £3.25 million? Would Leicester/Brighton/QPR pay it for him? His record and age are much the same as CMS so perhaps we don't see any more value than whatever bid we placed (allegedly) back in January than that actually was. All Brighton have done is replaced one L1 forward with another...woobleedinghoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Are penalties not goals? not for comparison of goalscoring prowess purposes no.You can only compare like things and 20 odd goals from open play cannot be compared to 13 goals from open play and 8 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I realise it was a load of wedge, but I would have preferred CMS to the fat lad from Sheffield and the prices spouted sound similar. I think CMS is better than Barney. He would therefore have improved us IMO. Time to look at other potential strikers on the HCDAJFU thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I realise it was a load of wedge, but I would have preferred CMS to the fat lad from Sheffield and the prices spouted sound similar. I think CMS is better than Barney. He would therefore have improved us IMO. Time to look at other potential strikers on the HCDAJFU thread. I like the little of CMS that I've seen, fast and can take the ball with him,expect I'll get a bit slated for it but the goal he scored against us last season sort of reminded me of a Channon classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 CMS is a bit better than Barnard - but is he £3m plus signing on fee plus wages better? Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Lets hope we are looking at better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Judging by Allardyce's comments, and those of the Peterborough owner, he only went to the brighton for the money. Given that, I'm very happy we 'missed out' on him. We want players who want to play, piggybankers need not apply.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 No, Brighton were not '****e' at the end of the season. Yeah they were. They were pretty sh1te for the 2 months before they played us as well, barely scraping past most of the bottom half by a single goal to compile that daft 12-match winning streak. They did most of the hard work prior to February and the rot had set in long before they actually lost a match. Lucky for them they'd played the top teams when they were in form and could scrape through the other matches using their time-wasting spoiler tactics if they got in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 That isn't exactly an ambitious move. More like a sideways step. A bit like David Norris going to P*mpey. That said, Norris used to be my neighbour when I lived in Bolton. He was an absolute cock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I like the little of CMS that I've seen, fast and can take the ball with him,expect I'll get a bit slated for it but the goal he scored against us last season sort of reminded me of a Channon classic. Pace is something we dont have in the centre of attack and CMS has bags of it, plus he can take players on and score good goals. Don't understand all this talk about being unproven. Same can be said for half our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHA Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Yeah they were. They were pretty sh1te for the 2 months before they played us as well, barely scraping past most of the bottom half by a single goal to compile that daft 12-match winning streak. They did most of the hard work prior to February and the rot had set in long before they actually lost a match. Lucky for them they'd played the top teams when they were in form and could scrape through the other matches using their time-wasting spoiler tactics if they got in front. Still harping on about this months later, your so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 This is a very good addition for Brighton and one which I think could possibly push them towards being definite play off contenders. Brighton won League One comfortably last season. They've now bought the best player from that league and with it shown a real intention to kick on next season. I'm certainly not panicking like some on here and it is still very early days, but the standard of competition is definitely rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Brighton won League One comfortably last season. No they didn't. They won it by 3 points, scored fewer goals and conceded more than Saints. Yes, okay they didn't have anything to play for towards the end of the season, but their two hardest home games came in that period. No guarantee they would have beaten Saints or Huddersfield if they still needed the points. They also put out their strongest possible side in both games and still wanted to maintain the unbeaten home record, beat their "rivals" Saints and see out the last game at the Withdean in style. Edited 5 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 CMS is a bit better than Barnard - but is he £3m plus signing on fee plus wages better? Doubt it. I don't doubt it either, but that isn't how football valuations work. A Premier League striker might be half as good again as CMS but he won't be 50% more expensive, he'll cost 3 or 4 times, or 13 times if its Tevez. If you want a better player you have to pay more but you can't relate it to 'how much better' the player is because that's not the factor, only who else wants him and what will they pay. Norwich wanted CMS to play in the Prem but Brighton looked more attractive to him which had to be money and future prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 No they didn't. They won it by 3 points, scored fewer goals and conceded more than Saints. Yes, okay they didn't have anything to play for towards the end of the season, but their two hardest home games came in that period. No guarantee they would have beaten Saints or Huddersfield if they still needed the points. They also put out their strongest possible side in both games and still wanted to maintain the unbeaten home record, beat their "rivals" Saints and see out the last game at the Withdean in style. They won it comfortably, I'm not sure why it makes you feel any better to try and believe otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Brighton are nothing to worry about. I'm not saying we are either, but I don't see them taking the division by storm. They've lost a few, need to rebuild, aren't used to this level and toughest of all, have to get used to a new stadium. There's just no way of knowing which way that'll go. I know the Withdean didn't exactly feel like home to them, but their players did get used to it and had a great edge playing there because it was so **** for the opposition. If you don't get off to a good start in a new ground it can take a long time to feel like home. Added to that, top flight managers will leave their jobs as always, and some clubs will look at Poyet. If Brighton are struggling, or even mid-table, would he stay? I'm not saying Brighton are "anything to worry about" or that they'll "take the Championship by storm", but they're certainly a marker of what we'll be competing with next season in my opinion. Edited 5 July, 2011 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 No they didn't. They won it by 3 points, scored fewer goals and conceded more than Saints. Yes, okay they didn't have anything to play for towards the end of the season, but their two hardest home games came in that period. No guarantee they would have beaten Saints or Huddersfield if they still needed the points. They also put out their strongest possible side in both games and still wanted to maintain the unbeaten home record, beat their "rivals" Saints and see out the last game at the Withdean in style. On the beach with 5 games left. Top of the table from September. I found it very comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 He clearly prefers League 1 to the Prem then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I'm not saying Brighton are "anything to worry about" or that they'll "take the Championship by storm", but they're certainly a marker of what we'll be competing with next season in my opinion. They did win it easy last year and they will be giving us a run for our money again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 3 points and worse goal difference show how close we got to them. They had the luxury of our poor start giving them an 8 point cushion by the time they came to us seeking a draw. They had great season, and one wish we had. If Adkins was with us from the start sure we would have been more than 3 points ahead of them, Reckon they will do ok next season - mid table ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 No they didn't. They won it by 3 points, scored fewer goals and conceded more than Saints. Yes, okay they didn't have anything to play for towards the end of the season, but their two hardest home games came in that period. No guarantee they would have beaten Saints or Huddersfield if they still needed the points. They also put out their strongest possible side in both games and still wanted to maintain the unbeaten home record, beat their "rivals" Saints and see out the last game at the Withdean in style. This........ and they won the league by 3 points, from now until the end of time records will show that they won by 3 points (and WE KNOW they couldn't beat their biggest rivals). End of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 and worse goal difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire&skill Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 This........ and they won the league by 3 points, from now until the end of time records will show that they won by 3 points (and WE KNOW they couldn't beat their biggest rivals). End of Brighton didn't play Crystal Palace last year[?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 6 July, 2011 Share Posted 6 July, 2011 Brighton needed him more than us. They were sh1te at the end of last season and only went up falling over the line. They are desperate to stop heading straight back to League 1. They were sh1te coz they had already won the league. One point I will make though is they have lost 2 pivotal players in Murray in Bennett whilst we have gone the summer without any real loss. So they have made some strong signings whilst we havent, we still have Lambo, AL, Fonte, Spiderman etc and even if we were to lose AOX to Arsenal or whateverm that would spark some serious spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 6 July, 2011 Share Posted 6 July, 2011 There are some way better strikers than CMS playing in top leagues in europe, who are available for less money than what CMS went for, this is where we are probably looking...English players are going for ridiculous money at the moment and i'm sure we are not prepared to spend big money on players who will improve our team very sligthly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 6 July, 2011 Share Posted 6 July, 2011 Still harping on about this months later, your so sad. But you're the one trolling on a rival team's forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 6 July, 2011 Share Posted 6 July, 2011 They won it comfortably, I'm not sure why it makes you feel any better to try and believe otherwise. They were in a comfortable positon for a fair while, but they most certainly did not finish in that vein and hence did not win it comfortably. The record books will always show that. It clearly makes you feel good to think they did! ho hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire&skill Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 They were sh1te coz they had already won the league. One point I will make though is they have lost 2 pivotal players in Murray in Bennett whilst we have gone the summer without any real loss. So they have made some strong signings whilst we havent, we still have Lambo, AL, Fonte, Spiderman etc and even if we were to lose AOX to Arsenal or whateverm that would spark some serious spending. And replaced them with CMS, Hoskins & Buckley . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 who?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 They had the luxury of our poor start giving them an 8 point cushion by the time they came to us seeking a draw. For the large majority of the season that was the only difference between us. Really is about time we improved on our pattern of woeful starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 They were in a comfortable positon for a fair while, but they most certainly did not finish in that vein and hence did not win it comfortably. The record books will always show that. It clearly makes you feel good to think they did! ho hum No because they'd won it well before the end of the season, with plenty of games to spare, that is what the record books will show. Therfore it does not matter what happened after that as they had already won it comfortably. "They were in a comfortable position for a fair while" - they topped the league from September to the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 No because they'd won it well before the end of the season, with plenty of games to spare, that is what the record books will show. Therfore it does not matter what happened after that as they had already won it comfortably. "They were in a comfortable position for a fair while" - they topped the league from September to the end of the season. Cue the magic roundabout themetune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 July, 2011 Share Posted 7 July, 2011 record books show 3 points, worse goal difference - if anyone looks even that deep! More likely just three clubs promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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