Window Cleaner Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 (edited) Still, it explains why they can throw money around this window with 7mil coming in at the right time to get some half decent players. Certainly does, the last SFC accounts (up to June 2010) show us running at a massive loss even with 21K average gates and the JPT receipts and all that.Even with the extra audiovisuel revenue,slightly better gates and ST price increases the SFC operation won't be much better off because we've no doubt increased some players' salaries as well. Brighton were probably running on a much lower budget and doubling their average gate plus all the rest will allow them to spend more. Sometimes Saint's accounts worry me because we seem to pay our players far more than most other teams, hopefully the rendition at the next level will show us why.I personally think we have too many players on our roster and would like to see a few outs as well as one more in.It is no use keeping players you have no use for and who are obviously miles off the required level.This supernumary squad was what did for us before, I hope we're not going to let it get out of hand again. Coaching staff seems to be creeping upwards all the time as well. Edited 10 July, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 At the end of the day we are gearing up for Prem football and it's simply not feasible to have large swathes of prime seating in a 32k stadium flogged off at a heavily discounted price. The end. I belive this is close to the truth. Financially it would make far more sense to sell fewer STs at this level with large numbers paying full 'on-the-day' prices (if all goes to plan and we're winning most weeks, bit of a gamble) to watch a team pushing for the Prem. And then when/if we get there, thousands of new ST applications at the new, full (Prem League level) prices clamouring for seats. Loadsamoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 My mates were in a 45 min queue yesterday morning to renew their STs. There will be a decent take up I'm sure, only if to secure tickets to both skate games There surely will be a decent take up, probably around 15K in total but the real measure will be the average home gate.If we have 2000 extra ST holders but the gate remains roughly the same that tends to indicate that former "pay as you go" fans have become ST holders and a the end of the day we'll make less money per game. This has no doubt been calculated by the club and the price increases and removal of certain concessions are there to compensate that.If the average home gate goes up by quite a bit it would tend to show that we are attracting new fans or existing ones are attending more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 Can someone tell me please the ticket office opening times, phoned them but recorded message advised to ring back, trawled the site but couldn't find anything. Could be my old age, 64, should be cheaper for old fogeys like me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 Can someone tell me please the ticket office opening times, phoned them but recorded message advised to ring back, trawled the site but couldn't find anything. Could be my old age, 64, should be cheaper for old fogeys like me lol. Ticket Office Monday to Friday 9.00 a.m. - 5.00 p.m. Saturday 9.30 a.m. - 4.00 p.m. (Matchdays 9.00 a.m - 30 minutes after the final whistle) Sunday Closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teamsaint Posted 10 July, 2011 Share Posted 10 July, 2011 I belive this is close to the truth. Financially it would make far more sense to sell fewer STs at this level with large numbers paying full 'on-the-day' prices (if all goes to plan and we're winning most weeks, bit of a gamble) to watch a team pushing for the Prem. And then when/if we get there, thousands of new ST applications at the new, full (Prem League level) prices clamouring for seats. Loadsamoney. but last time we had a good season in the championship(playoff season), we averaged 23500. Which is more than 8000 empty seats most weeks. given that a lot of kids tickets are highly discounted or free, there are already are, and will be a lot of seats not generating much income this season. current policy, in my view, is to maximise potential income with new ST purchases and match day tickets both now, and more importantly, if we get promoted. You cannot fill a 32k stadium every week, in somewhere like southampton at "full" price in the NPC.There is over supply of seats. The end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red&White Posted 11 July, 2011 Share Posted 11 July, 2011 I had an email from the club reminding about renewal. Me too :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 July, 2011 Share Posted 11 July, 2011 Just tried to renew on-line for it to continually fail at payment stage, what an absolute pile of s***e! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 July, 2011 Share Posted 12 July, 2011 I renewed online, but it appears to be collection only. I bought a standard adult ticket no concessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 July, 2011 Share Posted 12 July, 2011 I renewed online, but it appears to be collection only. I bought a standard adult ticket no concessions. I think if you phone up you can ask for it to be posted. The online system is not very good, frankly. I imagine it is one thing on the list of "things that need improving". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 12 July, 2011 Share Posted 12 July, 2011 I know that sales climbed by at least two today and the car park barrier is so full of our money that it broke at lunchtime. Personally I was so offended by it not being in full working order that I rang up the News of the World and demanded that they put me on the front page looking miserable and pointing at something. Though on reflection, I actually rang the Echo, but it was the News of the World that rang me back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 12 July, 2011 Share Posted 12 July, 2011 Exactly our point. Sorry if some of you dont agree and from some posters thanks for the abuse but thats why we have decided to pack up. In my case after 57 years. Is it true what Beatlesaint said about Markus and Cortese dropping the OAP age from 65 to 60 when they took over? If so, would it have been better if they had left it at 65, and then you wouldn't have expected any better? Seriously, I'm not 'having a go', but just curious. For what it's worth, I think those who have been classed as OAPs last season, should be classed as OAPs on an ongoing basis. Notwithstanding that, there would be two ways of looking at this - a) you've been right royally shafted by that git Cortese for moving the goal posts, or b) thanks Markus and Cortese for us still having a club to support, for providing finances to allow the team to compete and play good football, for getting us promoted, and for the 2 years at an unexpected discounted rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 July, 2011 Share Posted 12 July, 2011 (edited) I know that sales climbed by at least two today and the car park barrier is so full of our money that it broke at lunchtime. Personally I was so offended by it not being in full working order that I rang up the News of the World and demanded that they put me on the front page looking miserable and pointing at something. Though on reflection, I actually rang the Echo, but it was the News of the World that rang me back.... I went down at just after 11am, there were 20 people ahead of us, we bought 8 between us, no-one renewed a kiddie ticket (so they're 3 ST holders down on our group from last year), and it took 28 minutes to conduct the full transaction, including 2 address changes and a disabled confirmation. Which means that if any of those people had parked in the car park, the club would have made a pound from all of them. Because all of the transactions whilst we were there were well over the 15 minutes, including queueing time. Except that in the whole 28 minute period I did not see ONE person, from the 35+ who were in front of and behind us, use the car park. Also, EVERYONE in the queue I heard say anything was moaning about something, whether it was the ST prices, the over 60-65 thing, the car park price, them not having the tickets ready to hand out, or for one woman, coming down once already to buy a West Brom or Memorial Cup ticket and the TO saying they weren't able to give it to her in person and would send them out. FWIW we parked slap bang outside on the double yellows using a blue badge, and by the time we'd left 6 other people also had, despite not having the badge. Edited 12 July, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damers Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 We have taken the very hard decision today not to renew, its nothing the club have done, we were expecting price increases its just the numbers just do not add up at the moment. So unfortunately that is -4 season ticket renewals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Renewed yesterday for my group, all 6 renewed. Looking forward to another promotion season!!! Works out £22.22 per match for adults which frankly in the scheme of things is pretty good value in my opinion. Think what it costs to go and see a gig and the band may only be on for just over a hour!! What was it, £70? to go and see Take That who were on for what 1 1/2 hours?? Think its pretty good value for Saints personally. COYR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 We have taken the very hard decision today not to renew, its nothing the club have done, we were expecting price increases its just the numbers just do not add up at the moment. So unfortunately that is -4 season ticket renewals. I'm sure you will still enjoy the season. You can watch our televised matches and you can cherry pick the other games you go to. Also gives you a chance to try out a few other areas of the ground. Chin up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 I know that sales climbed by at least two today and the car park barrier is so full of our money that it broke at lunchtime. Personally I was so offended by it not being in full working order that I rang up the News of the World and demanded that they put me on the front page looking miserable and pointing at something. Though on reflection, I actually rang the Echo, but it was the News of the World that rang me back.... You should have called the Police first and they would have leaked it to the Echo and got a drink from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 We have taken the very hard decision today not to renew, its nothing the club have done, we were expecting price increases its just the numbers just do not add up at the moment. So unfortunately that is -4 season ticket renewals. Trying not to pry too much, but do you think you will ever get a ST again? Also do you think you will buy tickets every now and then or do you think having given up your ST you will probably get out of the habit or not go hardly at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damers Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 We will go, I have figured if we go to 10 games this year at £30 a pop I will have saved myself £200, which at the moment i need to. We hope to be able to get a season ticket in the future at the moment its just not feasible. Absolutely GUTTTED tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Is it true what Beatlesaint said about Markus and Cortese dropping the OAP age from 65 to 60 when they took over? If so, would it have been better if they had left it at 65, and then you wouldn't have expected any better? Seriously, I'm not 'having a go', but just curious. For what it's worth, I think those who have been classed as OAPs last season, should be classed as OAPs on an ongoing basis. Notwithstanding that, there would be two ways of looking at this - a) you've been right royally shafted by that git Cortese for moving the goal posts, or b) thanks Markus and Cortese for us still having a club to support, for providing finances to allow the team to compete and play good football, for getting us promoted, and for the 2 years at an unexpected discounted rate. The concession for 60 year olds was in place before the takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Out of interest has anyone actually received their ST's through the post yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Out of interest has anyone actually received their ST's through the post yet? Nope, don't even know when to expect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Nope, don't even know when to expect them. I was told when I brought them on the 1st that they'd be delivered within the week. Ticket office lady did say they were just waiting for the plastic sleeves but they were due in within next 2 working days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 I booked mine on Tuesday and was told they would be posted out in about 2 weeks. She also said they were very busy, a good sign I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miltonroad Posted 13 July, 2011 Share Posted 13 July, 2011 Bought mine today and was told they would start posting them out next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 sadly I am not going to get s/ts this season. iam disappointed that we did not have the renewal posted out, that system worked well for me over the last 20 or so years. My daughter has just had a child and so we will pick games. If we go up to the PL I would nt be prepared to pay 600+ for a ticket anyway so i doubt Ill lose out too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 We will go, I have figured if we go to 10 games this year at £30 a pop I will have saved myself £200, which at the moment i need to. We hope to be able to get a season ticket in the future at the moment its just not feasible. Absolutely GUTTTED tho! Same boat mate - Sucks doesn't it!!! (sad face thingy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 as im sure you are employed or have been employed you will know that what an employee says is 'busy' or 'too much to do' and and what is actually 'busy' or 'too much to do' are never the same thing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I've just been for a run past the Ticket Office and was told they have sold "ten and a half, nearly eleven thousand", which from memory was about the same at this stage last season (ended up at 13 thousand). I also asked about the ML Memorial Cup tickets and was told they are opening 3 stands (not itchen if I remember correctly). you can buy a UNRESERVED ticket in any of the 3 stands and WILL be allowed to go out of the ground and REENTER again (only the same stand NO transfers to another stand will be allowed). I was told they "will be putting on things outside as well". What "things" I don't know but I was thinking that the Chapel Arms/King Alfred might consider putting on more bar staff between 5 and 6:30, although i will probably watch the other game myself, but i know others will not. (Sorry to mix topics but have done so because of the 3 post limit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I have a suspicion our ST sales will be around the same level, which considering that we've gone up a league is pretty weak. The pricing, the lack of marketing, the small sales timeframe, the general intransigence about the methods of obtaining one, and of course the general lack of cash and longer-term effects of the credit crunch and recession are all affecting sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 why the obsession with ST sales..? if you have a ST then great...of you dont then not great why the obsession with the overall amount..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 why the obsession with ST sales..? if you have a ST then great...of you dont then not great why the obsession with the overall amount..? Usually because it's an indicator of how popular the club is, and a season-on-season indicator of the level of interest amongst the fanbase. For me, this year, because it's also an indicator of how the various roadblocks to buying one are affecting fan support at a time when there's not much money out there but the club is successful on the pitch and informs a wider discussion on the club's pricing policies. This interests me because I have to pay to watch Saints. Also, it's not an obsession, just a passing interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 surely the overall average attendance over the year is ultimately an indicator on how well the club is currently supported...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 surely the overall average attendance over the year is ultimately an indicator on how well the club is currently supported...???? It is another indicator. ST and walkup plus price and success on the field are all factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 For me ST sales are the biggest indicator of a clubs support (although it has factors none more so than price) Walkups is a smaller indicator and is heavily influenced by social events and success on the pitch vs opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 For me ST sales are the biggest indicator of a clubs support (although it has factors none more so than price) Walkups is a smaller indicator and is heavily influenced by social events and success on the pitch vs opposition. Exactly right. The level of season ticket holders in the very benchmark for how well-supported the club is. Its why Rupert Lowe in his chairmanship in the Premier League set it as a barometer for whether we needed to look at a stadium expansion (we clearly didn't because the season ticket level was too low). Match by match results are variable in tracking total supporter number and can be offset/influenced by a number of various factors; season ticket numbers will show how large/small the core support is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 Renewed mine today by phone, no problems encountered, and have decided to move from Itchen to Kingsland. If anyone is still waiting and wondering why I was told it would be posted towards the end of next week so maybe all will be done then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 Exactly right. The level of season ticket holders in the very benchmark for how well-supported the club is. Its why Rupert Lowe in his chairmanship in the Premier League set it as a barometer for whether we needed to look at a stadium expansion (we clearly didn't because the season ticket level was too low). Match by match results are variable in tracking total supporter number and can be offset/influenced by a number of various factors; season ticket numbers will show how large/small the core support is. And yet strangely, I get the impression that the club, whilst not actively discouraging ST sales, aren`t, with their various "hard-line" actions, exactly encouraging them either. I really wonder how important ST sales actually are to NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 And yet strangely, I get the impression that the club, whilst not actively discouraging ST sales, aren`t, with their various "hard-line" actions, exactly encouraging them either. I really wonder how important ST sales actually are to NC. Agreed. I'm very much of the opinion that the club knows they need a core support of ST holders but are not going to go out of their way to encourage their sales. So they are making the facility available but doing the absolute bare minimum to promote it. Of course, none of us really have an accurate idea of just how many extra STs they could sell with an aggressive marketing campaign, so it's all purely speculation. But the lack of such a campaign is noticeable in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 And yet strangely, I get the impression that the club, whilst not actively discouraging ST sales, aren`t, with their various "hard-line" actions, exactly encouraging them either. I really wonder how important ST sales actually are to NC. I'd say they were being actively discouraged, although it may just be incompetence. Not surprising the Marketing guy has walked though when everything he's been trying to promote forces people through a series of hoop-jumping exercises for anyone to be able to actually buy the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 Agreed. I'm very much of the opinion that the club knows they need a core support of ST holders but are not going to go out of their way to encourage their sales. So they are making the facility available but doing the absolute bare minimum to promote it. Of course, none of us really have an accurate idea of just how many extra STs they could sell with an aggressive marketing campaign, so it's all purely speculation. But the lack of such a campaign is noticeable in any case. As it was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I'd say they were being actively discouraged, although it may just be incompetence. Not surprising the Marketing guy has walked though when everything he's been trying to promote forces people through a series of hoop-jumping exercises for anyone to be able to actually buy the product. I think that's an exaggeration. If they were being discouraged the price would be much higher; it's still a pretty significant saving getting an ST compared with match by match prices. And as much as there have been complaints on here about getting an ST (parking, showing ID etc), it's still a relatively simple exercise to take advantage of the potential savings on offer. Especially if you're paying up front and not for a concession, which I assume the majority of people will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 As it was last year. Again, agreed. I think the method I outlined will be the club's approach to sales of STs from here on in. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I have a suspicion our ST sales will be around the same level, which considering that we've gone up a league is pretty weak. The pricing, the lack of marketing, the small sales timeframe, the general intransigence about the methods of obtaining one, and of course the general lack of cash and longer-term effects of the credit crunch and recession are all affecting sales. You cant really say that during the renewal period as obviously we cant go past last years figure. We will know if we have more due to going up when they go on general sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 sadly I am not going to get s/ts this season. iam disappointed that we did not have the renewal posted out, that system worked well for me over the last 20 or so years. My daughter has just had a child and so we will pick games. If we go up to the PL I would nt be prepared to pay 600+ for a ticket anyway so i doubt Ill lose out too much. do you mean your reason not renewing is the lack of letter, or were you not renewing anyway due to the family reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss_biscuits Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I renewed my season ticket last Thursday and was told mine would be posted out to me in 3 weeks - so 2 weeks to go can't wait for the season to begin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 surely the overall average attendance over the year is ultimately an indicator on how well the club is currently supported...???? its a much better indicator, but seeing as you have to wait 10 months for it there is no harm in comparing ST levels over the next month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I'd say they were being actively discouraged. do you mean they want some, but they want too many? If they didn't want any ST holder they could just get rid of them completely or make the price far less attractive compared to match by match tickets. Personally I think this idea that the football business doesn't want that lump sum up generated by STs is rubbish and just a concept put across last summer by a certain forever name changing poster now residing on the other forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 14 July, 2011 Share Posted 14 July, 2011 I'd say they were being actively discouraged, although it may just be incompetence. Not surprising the Marketing guy has walked though when everything he's been trying to promote forces people through a series of hoop-jumping exercises for anyone to be able to actually buy the product. Who's to say the marketing guy walked? Perhaps he's the instigator of said hoop-jumping exercises? Just querying!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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