EDL march in Portsmouth....

[saint lard]

On july the 16th,same day as the Skates play Chelsea.

 

Should be interesting to say the least.

The first demo at the mosque coincided with a Chelsea tuesday night game - coincidence?

http://uaf.org.uk/2010/11/violent-edl-protest-targets-portsmouth-mosque/

"I know lads, lets go demo outside that mosque which is right near Fratton park, then go watch the game and for a giggle lets go back afterwards"

 

 

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/police_operation_to_keep_peace_as_english_defence_league_marchers_protest_in_portsmouth_1_2812672

Edited 2 July, 2011 by saint lard

[Weston Super Saint]

They'll stop at nothing to try and boost their pitiful home attendance figures

[Thedelldays]

freedom of speech...such a beautiful thing..eh..?

[Saint-scooby]

I am up for it, second thoughts having my nails done then.........................Dammmmmm

[the stain]

freedom of speech...such a beautiful thing..eh..?

 

Agreed.

[the stain]

Oh, hang on, what is the "....eh?" bit? Are you being sarcastic? Firstly, sarcasm is not allowed (so I hope you weren't being) and secondly, freedom of speech is a great thing. I can't believe you think otherwise. You are employed to go around killing lots of people in the name of freedom (of speech). What are you saying? I don't get this, the more I think about it, the more confused I get. Can be spell out what you actually mean by your statement for those of us who are a little slow. Thanks!

[TopGun]

I have a female friend who lives in Stockport who goes on these marches. She's actually reasonably intelligent and states she is not racist but against islamic radicalism in the UK. I believe her when she says this but she is utterly blind to the fact that the majority of those she demonstrates with are hard core nazis with no jobs or skills to offer to the nation.

 

The EDL selects areas that have festering social problems to campaign at. Where I live in the north west demonstrates this clearly - impoverished, unskilled and high unemployment white areas such as Oldham and Burnley which abut asian neighbourhoods.

[the stain]

EDL reckon there will be 1,500 there. Based on the combination of their previous miscalculated estimates and their poor numeracy skills, what do we reckon the actual number attending will be? My guess is 57 (although the EDL will still report this as 1,500).

[the stain]

The EDL selects areas that have festering social problems to campaign at. Where I live in the north west demonstrates this clearly - impoverished, unskilled and high unemployment white areas such as Oldham and Burnley which abut asian neighbourhoods.

 

It's funny though as that Mosque is just off Albert Road, which is very multicultural and bohemian and doesn't seem to have any festering social problems (except for a few druggies and drunks down Waverley Road, but they keep they're too f*cked up to have any interests in politics and are also offset by the pleasant 4 star B&Bs on the opposite side of the road).

[Sour Mash]

The EDL selects areas that have festering social problems to campaign at. Where I live in the north west demonstrates this clearly - impoverished, unskilled and high unemployment white areas such as Oldham and Burnley which abut asian neighbourhoods.

 

Yeah, what idiots, you'd have thought they'd be doing most of their campaigning in posh, rural villages wouldn't you.........................

[Griffo]

I have a female friend who lives in Stockport who goes on these marches. She's actually reasonably intelligent and states she is not racist but against islamic radicalism in the UK. I believe her when she says this but she is utterly blind to the fact that the majority of those she demonstrates with are hard core nazis with no jobs or skills to offer to the nation.

 

The EDL selects areas that have festering social problems to campaign at. Where I live in the north west demonstrates this clearly - impoverished, unskilled and high unemployment white areas such as Oldham and Burnley which abut asian neighbourhoods.

 

As much as some of you would like to think otherwise, the media focus on the handful of idiots and portay the group as being right-wing, racist and nazi supporters, which is a load of ********.

 

EDL reckon there will be 1,500 there. Based on the combination of their previous miscalculated estimates and their poor numeracy skills, what do we reckon the actual number attending will be? My guess is 57 (although the EDL will still report this as 1,500).

 

I think you know that's rubbish. There were well over 2,000 EDL in Luton and there's expected to be more for the next major demo in Tower Hamlets.

 

That can only end well.. Seeing as it's supposed to be the 'Islamic heartland of Britain.'

[AndyNorthernSaints]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8

[the stain]

Yeah, what idiots, you'd have thought they'd be doing most of their campaigning in posh, rural villages wouldn't you.........................

 

What's your point?

[TopGun]

Yeah, what idiots, you'd have thought they'd be doing most of their campaigning in posh, rural villages wouldn't you.........................

 

Clearly that would be pointless. Not sure what you mean though.

Edited 2 July, 2011 by TopGun
Not seen Stains post above as I wrote this one. But the same point.

[the stain]

As much as some of you would like to think otherwise, the media focus on the handful of idiots and portay the group as being right-wing, racist and nazi supporters, which is a load of ********.

 

No, it really isn't. I witnessed the last one at that Portsmouth Mosque and it was disgusting. They were definitely racist and there was plenty of nazi saluting. And are you actually suggesting that the media falsely portray them as right-wing? Where would you put them on the political spectrum then?

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I have a female friend who lives in Stockport who goes on these marches. She's actually reasonably intelligent and states she is not racist but against islamic radicalism in the UK.

 

Is she also as vociferous about other religious radicalisation? This is a genuine question because if she is just against the rise of Islam in the UK then she is, indeed, racist whether the thinks she is or not. The Catholic church have been doing exactly the same as the Muslims have for about as long, yet there is very little heard in opposition. Maybe because the Catholic church is inherently white European whereas Islam is not.

[TopGun]

Is she also as vociferous about other religious radicalisation? This is a genuine question because if she is just against the rise of Islam in the UK then she is, indeed, racist whether the thinks she is or not. The Catholic church have been doing exactly the same as the Muslims have for about as long, yet there is very little heard in opposition. Maybe because the Catholic church is inherently white European whereas Islam is not.

 

I noticed on her FB page that she was campaigning against both Islamic and Jewish ritual methods of slaughtering animals... but I think that's a bit of a diversion as our abbatoirs are no better, just not so public.

Edited 2 July, 2011 by TopGun
or based on religion.

[Griffo]

No, it really isn't. I witnessed the last one at that Portsmouth Mosque and it was disgusting. They were definitely racist and there was plenty of nazi saluting. And are you actually suggesting that the media falsely portray them as right-wing? Where would you put them on the political spectrum then?

 

The small, local demonstrations do attract idiots. The national ones pass off peacefully and are full of normal every day people.

[TopGun]

The small, local demonstrations do attract idiots. The national ones pass off peacefully and are full of normal every day people.

 

What nonsense. The only EDL demos are local and chosen specifically for the demographics. There has been no national demo.

[Griffo]

What nonsense. The only EDL demos are local and chosen specifically for the demographics. There has been no national demo.

 

The EDL is split up into divisions. Portsmouth division held a demo at the mosque, which was the one being talked about. National ones, such as Luton are held for all EDL divisions across the UK. It passed off peacefully. The only trouble was from mobs of young asians rioting.

[dune]

As much as some of you would like to think otherwise, the media focus on the handful of idiots and portay the group as being right-wing, racist and nazi supporters, which is a load of ********.

 

To be outraged by millitant Islam you have to a nazi. The TSW Liberal Elite have spoken.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I have just mentioned the demo to my wife and straight away she said she wants me to take her and our 12 year old son. It's important that our son sees at first hand how people can behave and believe. It will help him in history when he reads about the Moseley marches and the rise of Fascism in the thirties. She wants to throw eggs and tomatoes at the Nazis but I think that's wrong and will lead to her possible arrest. In my opinion, if you are going to get arrested for throwing things at sub-human apes, it's better to be hung as a sheep than as a lamb and use something a little more, shall we say, solid as a projectile...

[TopGun]

To be outraged by millitant Islam you have to a nazi. The TSW Liberal Elite have spoken.

 

Unsurprisingly, Dune mixes apples with oranges. Go do that QT Special please Dune.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

To be outraged by millitant Islam you have to a nazi. The TSW Liberal Elite have spoken.

 

Sleep with, kill, be, perform oral sex on, paint.

 

Please be precise.

[the stain]

It's easier for your confused, simple mind to put it that way, isn't it dune?

 

I'm sorry to do this, but I'm going to have to confuse you a little more: I am outraged by militant Islam, yet I am part of your Liberal Elite™. Hopefully there is somebody at home with you to stop you from running around in circles for the next couple of hours, hitting the side of your head with your clenched fist.

[the stain]

Go do that QT Special please Dune.

 

Please, please, please...

[dune]

So where are the Liberal Elite camapigning against millitant islam?

 

The last time I looked Unite against Fascism were marching alongside people with banners displaying slogans such as "behead those who insult Islam" and "British soldiers burn in hell". These people are far more rightwing than the decent members of the EDL, yet the Liberal Elite ignore this.

 

Utter hypocrites.

[Griffo]

So where are the Liberal Elite camapigning against millitant islam?

 

The last time I looked Unite against Fascism were marching alongside people with banners displaying slogans such as "behead those who insult Islam" and "British soldiers burn in hell". These people are far more rightwing than the decent members of the EDL, yet the Liberal Elite ignore this.

 

Utter hypocrites.

 

 

[the stain]

Again, very simplistic dune. Stop trying to pigeonhole everybody into factions and you might be able to work it out. I know this is what some simple people do to make sense of the big, confusing world, but there's an opportunity for you to show your intelligence here and break from that practice.

Edited 2 July, 2011 by the stain

[dune]

Fascism shall return as anti-fascism - Winston churchill

 

UAF have proved him correct.

[TopGun]

So where are the Liberal Elite camapigning against millitant islam?

 

The last time I looked Unite against Fascism were marching alongside people with banners displaying slogans such as "behead those who insult Islam" and "British soldiers burn in hell". These people are far more rightwing than the decent members of the EDL, yet the Liberal Elite ignore this.

 

Utter hypocrites.

 

The issue you have is that you are unable to distinguish groups or sub-groups of people effectively. That's why your views are considered laughable by others. But you are entitled to have those views as the mods recognise. And I think that's okay as a member of the liberal elite/socialist underground that is destroying this once great nation.

[the stain]

Fascism shall return as anti-fascism - Winston churchill

 

UAF have proved him correct.

 

If in doubt, find a Churchill quote. Can we have a YouTube video now, please?

[dune]

If in doubt, find a Churchill quote. Can we have a YouTube video now, please?

 

It's coming sweetie.

[the stain]

Can it be one with cute kittens, please? White ones, though, obviously.

[View From The Top]

I'm a member of the Liberal Elite, abhor Muslim extreamism to the core, would ban all religious schools of very domination of grounds that they are devisive & yet think the EDL are a bunch of low brow knuckle draggers.

 

Which group do I fit in please?

[the stain]

Stop it now, VFTT. That's cruel. I just put all of those keywords into YouTube and there is nothing that comes up. And Thatcher and Churchill never said anything that could be used as a riposte to that, either. You cruel, cruel man. dune's teeth will be ground down to the gums by 9 o'clock.

[benjii]

Is she also as vociferous about other religious radicalisation? This is a genuine question because if she is just against the rise of Islam in the UK then she is, indeed, racist whether the thinks she is or not. The Catholic church have been doing exactly the same as the Muslims have for about as long, yet there is very little heard in opposition. Maybe because the Catholic church is inherently white European whereas Islam is not.

 

What a strange post.

[dune]

I've yet to see an explanation for UAF marching alondside Islamic Extremists.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I'm a member of the Liberal Elite, abhor Muslim extremism to the core, would ban all religious schools of very domination of grounds that they are divisive & yet think the EDL are a bunch of low brow knuckle-draggers.

 

Which group do I fit in please?

 

The same as me, I suspect. The same group which thinks it wrong that imperialist British (and other European) thugs stamped their (jack)boots all over Africa and Asia, subduing and dominating the native inhabitants with violence and dubious religious cant and then when said natives have the audacity to want their countries back tell them that they are ingrates and should still kowtow to the white man because, of course, he knows 'what is best for you'.

Videlicet: Zimbabwe, South Afraica, India (and subsequently Pakistan), Australia and... well, the examples just go on and on.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

What a strange post.

 

How so Benji? The Catholic church spent centuries killing 'Heretics' in the name of god and the Inquisition is still alive and well today, albeit now called the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

[the stain]

I've yet to see an explanation for UAF marching alondside Islamic Extremists.

 

Who do you want an explanation from? As far as I'm aware, there are no UAF members on here, and everyone has made it pretty clear where they stand on the Islamic extremists. Perhaps you should post this on the UAF forum?

[dune]

The same as me, I suspect. The same group which thinks it wrong that imperialist British (and other European) thugs stamped their (jack)boots all over Africa and Asia, subduing and dominating the native inhabitants with violence and dubious religious cant and then when said natives have the audacity to want their countries back tell them that they are ingrates and should still kowtow to the white man because, of course, he knows 'what is best for you'.

Videlicet: Zimbabwe, South Afraica, India (and subsequently Pakistan), Australia and... well, the examples just go on and on.

 

Rhodesia was such a terrible place.

 

[View From The Top]

I've yet to see an explanation for UAF marching alondside Islamic Extremists.

 

Because they are idiots same as the EDL.

[dune]

Because they are idiots same as the EDL.

 

The thing is how else do people protest against millitant islam without going on a NF or EDL demo?

 

If a new group was formed to protest against millitant islam it'd be stigmatised as racist just the same. I'm not disputing that the NF was racist and it's core members Nazis, but the EDL are different - although they have attracted a few nazis i'd imagine.

 

Anyway we've had this debate before and it'll only go around in circles so this is my last post on the thread.

Edited 2 July, 2011 by dune

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

Rhodesia was such a terrible place.

 

Yes... the country where 50 out of 66 parliamentary seats were reserved for whites and when the indigenous inhabitants rebelled and asked for self rule, the ever-so kind "Rhodesian" (i.e. White) government replied with the following:

 

'The Rhodesian government resorted to biological warfare. Watercourses at several sites close to the Mozambique border were deliberately contaminated with cholera and the toxin Sodium Coumadin, an anti-coagulant commonly used as the active ingredient in rat poison. Food stocks in the area were contaminated with anthrax spores.'*

 

*Southern African News Feature: November 2001, Issue 21

[solentstars]

As much as some of you would like to think otherwise, the media focus on the handful of idiots and portay the group as being right-wing, racist and nazi supporters, which is a load of ********.

 

 

 

I think you know that's rubbish. There were well over 2,000 EDL in Luton and there's expected to be more for the next major demo in Tower Hamlets.

 

That can only end well.. Seeing as it's supposed to be the 'Islamic heartland of Britain.'

sorry all i ever see are the brain dead who think they are patroits ,racists and football hooligans

Oh, the grand old Duke of York,

He had ten thousand men,

He marched them up to the top of

Everyone stands up

The hill and he marched

Them down again. Everyone sits down

 

And when they were up they were up.

Everyone stands up

And when they were down they were down.

Everyone sits down

And when they were only half way up,

They were neither up nor down.

Everyone half-way up

(repeat)

[the stain]

The thing is how else do people protest against millitant islam without going on a NF or EDL demo?

 

Perhaps people don't need to protest? Perhaps they realise that protests only serve to foment more radicalisation? Or maybe I'm wrong and all these EDL protests have actually managed to reduce Islamic extremism in this country?

[solentstars]

So where are the Liberal Elite camapigning against millitant islam?

 

The last time I looked Unite against Fascism were marching alongside people with banners displaying slogans such as "behead those who insult Islam" and "British soldiers burn in hell". These people are far more rightwing than the decent members of the EDL, yet the Liberal Elite ignore this.

 

Utter hypocrites.

 

yes like you and your far-right fellow travellers

[TopGun]

The thing is how else do people protest against millitant islam without going on a NF or EDL demo?

 

If a new group was formed to protest against millitant islam it'd be stigmatised as racist just the same. I'm not disputing that the NF was racist and it's core members Nazis, but the EDL are different - although they have attracted a few nazis i'd imagine.

 

Anyway we've had this debate before and it'll only go around in circles so this is my last post on the thread.

 

This is a half sensible post by Dune. If he posted more of these without his usual sweeping and ridiculous generalisations and pigeon holing, he'd be a half decent debater.

[aintforever]

They really do conform to the stereo-type of thick Skate inbreds don't they. What exactly is the point of protesting about muslim extremists? Especially in a town who's main problem is drunken violence by young English males.