Littlelat17 Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Read the majority of posts on this thread, so sorry if its already been said, but didnt Jack Cork go on holiday after the England Under 21's got knocked out if the Euro's? In which case he may not have even had talks with Saints yet and wont until he returns from holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Read the majority of posts on this thread, so sorry if its already been said, but didnt Jack Cork go on holiday after the England Under 21's got knocked out if the Euro's? In which case he may not have even had talks with Saints yet and wont until he returns from holiday? Plenty of time before the first day of the season. Saints don't bother much about pre season matches anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Try and keep up mate. Leicester have spent £1 million so far this transfer window. They are not big spenders.Their fans on their forums are not happy with their lack of spending. I would hardly call their manager inspirational when TV impressionists take the pis out of him and his most recent cv contains the names of clubs like Notts County!! West Ham are the enigma in the division. They could run away with the title next season .... or they could just explode. Paying Nolan £50k a week for 5 years when apparently they have no money smacks of Pompey style decision making - and we know how that ended up !! The last thing that Cork wants at this stage of his career is to be associated with a Pompey - like crash and burn!! how much have big spending Leicester spent? Not much and are weaker than th eteam that finished 10th last season SSN report as much crap as Mirror so not a signing yet. But if he does I have just commented on that. IF they get all the others will be decent signings. Have you looked who they have lost since last year? Few better players. Gobern /Stephens not a loss - only needed during series of injuries / suspensions. Even if we don't sign anyone we would use loans if same happended - or younger players coming through given up debating facts then cheer up. I forgot about Lee Peliter, another one people on here were getting hardons about, for £750k, another good signing, so if as seems likely CMS signs for them that is near on £5m so far. No, they aren't making a big push for promotion are they. I know some of you lot dont like to believe it but other clubs in this division have money, other clubs are big clubs and not everyone is creaming themselves at the thought of joining Southampton, there are other options, in some cases better options it would seem. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Of course, that is not a good example (and perhaps I ought to say that only you could come up with such a crap analogy ) , for the simple reason that there is an additional factor of support and loyalty in football that doesn't exactly feature where a job of stacking cans or operating a check-out is concerned. Some players do indeed go to clubs for less money because it was the club they supported from childhood, or because it is their local club. There are all sorts of factors that can sway a player one way or another, such as the manager, the facilities, the environment, their wife's happiness, even their children's schooling. It isn't all about money. Ahh loyalty in football, of course, i forgot about that, playing for the club you support because it fullfils your childhood dream. Just like Southampton supporting Wayne Bridge. Just like Everton supporting Wayne Rooney. Just like the Sunderland supporting Jordan Henderson. Of course, in our little fantasy world where we have our 45,000 fans watching our champions league winning, top 4 premier league club finishing team of academy graduates all playing out of their skins for the love of the club, top, top players will join us for far less money. Because they support us. Because they always dreamed of living in Southampton. Because we are on the up. Because they always wanted to play for a team in stripes with an Italian chairman. Because their wife wants to shop regularly in West Quay. Anything is possible isn't it, after all they did say man would never climb everest. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 so if as seems likely CMS signs for them Hang on.This morning according to you CMS was definitely signing today for them. Now it is only likely that he will sign for them. Why the hint of uncertainty now ?? Surely you have not got something wrong have you???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Hang on.This morning according to you CMS was definitely signing today for them. Now it is only likely that he will sign for them. Why the hint of uncertainty now ?? Surely you have not got something wrong have you???? According to SSN, BBC, SGE and the Peterborough chairman and manager he is. I think they probably know a bit more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 According to SSN, BBC, SGE and the Peterborough chairman and manager he is. I think they probably know a bit more than you. So now why are you slightly unsure? Its now 6 pm and according to you he was signing today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Ahh loyalty in football, of course, i forgot about that, playing for the club you support because it fullfils your childhood dream. Just like Southampton supporting Wayne Bridge. Just like Everton supporting Wayne Rooney. Of course, in our little fantasy world where we have our 45,000 fans watching our champions league winning, top 4 premier league club finishing team of academy graduates all playing out of their skins for the love of the club, top, top players will join us for far less money. Because they support us. Because they always dreamed of living in Southampton. Because we are on the up. Because they always wanted to play for a team in stripes with an Italian chairman. Because their wife wants to shop regularly in West Quay. Anything is possible isn't it, after all they did say man would never climb everest. One thing is for sure. We are nearer to playing in the Champions League in front of 45,000 fans than Pompey are!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 One thing is for sure. We are nearer to playing in the Champions League in front of 45,000 fans than Pompey are!! Who said anything about Pompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 So now why are you slightly unsure? Its now 6 pm and according to you he was signing today. I dont quite know what your point is but it seems highly likey that he will sign for them, does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Hang on.This morning according to you CMS was definitely signing today for them. Now it is only likely that he will sign for them. Why the hint of uncertainty now ?? Surely you have not got something wrong have you???? According to SSN, BBC, SGE and the Peterborough chairman and manager he is. I think they probably know a bit more than you. So now why are you slightly unsure? Its now 6 pm and according to you he was signing today. One thing is for sure. We are nearer to playing in the Champions League in front of 45,000 fans than Pompey are!! Who said anything about Pompey? I dont quite know what your point is but it seems highly likey that he will sign for them, does it not? F*ck me, its quiet. Cant we sign owen or someone, just to liven up the forum? I'll kick it off with a tenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 F*ck me, its quiet. Cant we sign owen or someone, just to liven up the forum? I'll kick it off with a tenner. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Who said anything about Pompey? But why not say something about Pompey? They are meant to be our rivals aren't they. You keep on banging on about crowds of 45k and Champions Leabue football and bringing it ino every thread. . Do you think we are nearer to achieving that than Pompey?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 But why not say something about Pompey? They are meant to be our rivals aren't they. You keep on banging on about crowds of 45k and Champions Leabue football and bringing it ino every thread. . Do you think we are nearer to achieving that than Pompey?? We are also nearer to it than Sholing Sports, it doesn't mean it's going to happen for either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 I forgot about Lee Peliter, another one people on here were getting hardons about, for £750k, another good signing, so if as seems likely CMS signs for them that is near on £5m so far. No, they aren't making a big push for promotion are they. I know some of you lot dont like to believe it but other clubs in this division have money, other clubs are big clubs and not everyone is creaming themselves at the thought of joining Southampton, there are other options, in some cases better options it would seem. they are making a push - signing players I am not worried about losing and had better RB last season and lost their prolific scorer - look a bit more deeply and you will understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 they are making a push - signing players I am not worried about losing and had better RB last season and lost their prolific scorer - look a bit more deeply and you will understand Nice try but don't expect to get any meaningful insight out of him. He would rather start to bang on about crowds of 45k watching Champion League football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 According to SSN, BBC, SGE and the Peterborough chairman and manager he is. I think they probably know a bit more than you. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_7015703,00.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Ahh loyalty in football, of course, i forgot about that, playing for the club you support because it fullfils your childhood dream. Just like Southampton supporting Wayne Bridge. Just like Everton supporting Wayne Rooney. Just like the Sunderland supporting Jordan Henderson. Of course, in our little fantasy world where we have our 45,000 fans watching our champions league winning, top 4 premier league club finishing team of academy graduates all playing out of their skins for the love of the club, top, top players will join us for far less money. Because they support us. Because they always dreamed of living in Southampton. Because we are on the up. Because they always wanted to play for a team in stripes with an Italian chairman. Because their wife wants to shop regularly in West Quay. Anything is possible isn't it, after all they did say man would never climb everest. Scoff all you like, but these self same factors have been instrumental in the decisions of several players going to another club or staying at their existing club. If it suits you to believe that all players only move just because of financial gain, then go on with your narrow blinkered views. Believe it or not, some players do have minds of their own, they're not all imbeciles. There are some who take into account their family lives, the quality of life, preferences of environment, etc. As for the examples of players pursuaded by loyalty to a club they supported as boys, then of course there are plenty of them. And as it seems that you entirely misunderstood, as you mention West Quay, that I was not even talking about Southampton. Some players or their wives want the bright city lights of London or Madrid or Milan. But no doubt just as players will go elsewhere for more money, there are also people who will switch working at one supermarket for another for an extra quid, because there is no loyalty there. Great analogy. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Wes Tender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_7015703,00.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter so Leicester are still considerably weaker than last season and have only signed a couple of league 1 level players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 At risk of repeating myself, £1m on Schmicheal, Danns on a free. SSN reporting CMS signing today for £3m. Also meant to be in for Pilkington, Matt Mills & Ched Evans. Would you be disapointed if that our transfer activity so far this summer? We've lost Gobern & Stephens so are arguably weaker than the squad which got promoted. http://www.teamtalk.com/queens-park-rangers/7015846/QPR-enter-Mackail-Smith-race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Oh FFS! I come on this thread to read opinion and rumours about Jack Cork, not CMS, Danns or Peltier. Apart from the first two posts on this page the rest is totally irrelevant. Take your spats to the HCDAJFU thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 How long should we wait while Cork makes up his mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 How long should we wait while Cork makes up his mind? Depends how much the management want him. I don't think we should give him more than a couple of weeks. Got pre season to get on with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 (edited) Took me a while to find it amongst all the other crap on this thread, but I think Faz was right on page 2. Under-21's getting an extra week off, so I'm going for 11th July - if at all. Sorry, and LittleLat's post as well. Edited 3 July, 2011 by Pugwash LittleLat post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 The one thing that makes me wonder if this is as good as a done deal is that during the interview on Friday NA actually mentions having a bid accepted for Jack Cork. It seems an unusual thing to do as the normal reaction is to deflect a question about a specific player with the usual "we dont talk about individuals, we are looking to bring someone into the building" etc etc The only individuals normally mentioned are definite no no's like Sharp and Riise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Cork to sign a three year contract Monday...................................but who with? Heard any more Toomer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 The one thing that makes me wonder if this is as good as a done deal is that during the interview on Friday NA actually mentions having a bid accepted for Jack Cork. It seems an unusual thing to do as the normal reaction is to deflect a question about a specific player with the usual "we dont talk about individuals, we are looking to bring someone into the building" etc etc The only individuals normally mentioned are definite no no's like Sharp and Riise. Is Riise a definite no no then ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 The one thing that makes me wonder if this is as good as a done deal is that during the interview on Friday NA actually mentions having a bid accepted for Jack Cork. It seems an unusual thing to do as the normal reaction is to deflect a question about a specific player with the usual "we dont talk about individuals, we are looking to bring someone into the building" etc etc The only individuals normally mentioned are definite no no's like Sharp and Riise. Indeed Beatle, I was thinking that maybe it is wrapped up and the club aren't going to announce it until the 20th, when he and possibly some other signings will be revealed wearing the new kit. The club/Cortese could be going for the double wow factor! Which it certainly would be, if one of those revealed was a pacey striker who knows how to put half chances as well as tap ins into the back of the net! BTW, after four days of talks, CMS would have signed for Leicester by now if he actually wanted to play for them, the only way he'll be going there now is if QPR or Everton attempt to take the p*ss on his personal terms. I'm glad we didn't go back in for him, it would of been much more frustrating knowing that he's holding on for a better offer, and leaving us hanging for a decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Not to split hairs but I think Adkins' exact words were the only club witha bid STILL on the table, to me this suggests negotiations are ongoing with Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 they are making a push - signing players I am not worried about losing and had better RB last season and lost their prolific scorer - look a bit more deeply and you will understand I will have a £50 bet with you that Leicester at least make the play offs this season, okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Not to split hairs but I think Adkins' exact words were the only club witha bid STILL on the table, to me this suggests negotiations are ongoing with Cork. Just listened to the interview and the exact words were "we have put a bid in for Jack Cork. the fact is it is the only bid accepted by Chelsea" He didn't say 'so far' but it is a fact Chelsea are still open to further bids should they be forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Just listened to the interview and the exact words were "we have put a bid in for Jack Cork. the fact is it is the only bid accepted by Chelsea" He didn't say 'so far' but it is a fact Chelsea are still open to further bids should they be forthcoming. My apologies then, I took the quote from the transcript on the official site which states, "as far as I am aware we are the only ones witha bid still on the table which has been accepted by Chelsea." To me this seemed there were other accepted bids that Cork turned down. If the OS's transcript is incorrect I offer my full apologies. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2385120,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Just listened to the interview and the exact words were "we have put a bid in for Jack Cork. the fact is it is the only bid accepted by Chelsea" He didn't say 'so far' but it is a fact Chelsea are still open to further bids should they be forthcoming. It's all a bit strange when you think about it ,here we have and England U21 international who can play in a few positions equally capabably on offer for around about 750K and we are the only ones to have put in an acceptable bid whereas other clubs around our League are signing up players willy nilly for argueably superior sums.Has the bloke only got 1 leg or something because if not all 24 NPC clubs should have bids in for him already. Can't quite seize the fact that Burnley don't have two 375K notes to rub together either,it's such a trifling sum, even Pompey could find that much, so they're probably hoping that Crk will turn down whatever is offered to him and be back at Burnley on the cheap again next season for a handsome bonus no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 It's all a bit strange when you think about it ,here we have and England U21 international who can play in a few positions equally capabably on offer for around about 750K and we are the only ones to have put in an acceptable bid whereas other clubs around our League are signing up players willy nilly for argueably superior sums.Has the bloke only got 1 leg or something because if not all 24 NPC clubs should have bids in for him already. Can't quite seize the fact that Burnley don't have two 375K notes to rub together either,it's such a trifling sum, even Pompey could find that much, so they're probably hoping that Crk will turn down whatever is offered to him and be back at Burnley on the cheap again next season for a handsome bonus no doubt. Do we know for certain that £750k is the price? Or is the forum / paper talk? It could be that every other club has bid, but we have bid more than them all to meet the asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Do we know for certain that £750k is the price? Or is the forum / paper talk? It could be that every other club has bid, but we have bid more than them all to meet the asking price. According to someone ITK on a chelski forum, it's act. £1.75m, I'd imagine alot of that is based on appearances, promotion etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Do we know for certain that £750k is the price? Or is the forum / paper talk? It could be that every other club has bid, but we have bid more than them all to meet the asking price. no, I certainly don't know for sure that it's the asking price, it's the figure that's always been bandied about everywhere so I just assume that it's fairly accurate. Last season it was thought to be about 2 million but there were no takers so back to Burnley you go jack my lad.He'll have a year less on his contract now, maybe only 1 year left I don't know,so he may not want to tie himself down at all this time round, he probably knows that Chelsea will loan him out if he doesn't accept a permanent move. Then he may have the enviable option of being a decent player on the market for free which in modern day football seems a good place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 According to someone ITK on a chelski forum, it's act. £1.75m, I'd imagine alot of that is based on appearances, promotion etc. aha sounds much more likely and would partially explain why there are so few apparent suitors for a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 (edited) Just listened to the interview and the exact words were "we have put a bid in for Jack Cork. the fact is it is the only bid accepted by Chelsea" He didn't say 'so far' but it is a fact Chelsea are still open to further bids should they be forthcoming. Those aren't the exact words at all! He says... "As far as I'm aware we are the only club to have a bid accepted by Chelsea for Jack Cork" Edited 3 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 But no doubt just as players will go elsewhere for more money, there are also people who will switch working at one supermarket for another for an extra quid, because there is no loyalty there. Great analogy. hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Those aren't the exact words at all! He says... "As far as I'm aware we are the only club to have a bid accepted by Chelsea for Jack Cork" that was the second time he said it in the interview, now go back to the first time a minute or two before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 According to someone ITK on a chelski forum, it's act. £1.75m, I'd imagine alot of that is based on appearances, promotion etc. Even if that is with clauses, its more than many clubs in the CCC would be willing to invest in Cork. I think its a good deal at that price, however its structured, not just because he is a good player but also because young English talent will increase in price big time over the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 I will have a £50 bet with you that Leicester at least make the play offs this season, okay? fair chance they will, should be top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 but also because young English talent will increase in price big time over the next few years. I thought that with Prutton...lol But Cork should be a good signing for us, it will happen I can feel it in me bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 If he really wanted to be here he would be already signed. It looks like he is hanging on, hoping that a club he is interested in comes in for him. If that is the case, it is better he goes somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 If he really wanted to be here he would be already signed. It looks like he is hanging on, hoping that a club he is interested in comes in for him. If that is the case, it is better he goes somewhere else. Or he's just taking his time deciding where he wants to go, nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 Or he's just taking his time deciding where he wants to go, nothing wrong with that. Or he's still on holiday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 If he really wanted to be here he would be already signed. It looks like he is hanging on, hoping that a club he is interested in comes in for him. If that is the case, it is better he goes somewhere else. I would think that his agent is advising him. He's more than likely touting him round to see if he can get a "better" deal somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 If he really wanted to be here he would be already signed. It looks like he is hanging on, hoping that a club he is interested in comes in for him. If that is the case, it is better he goes somewhere else. I agree, although sometimes it's the reluctant applicant that turns out to be a great acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 I sometimes worry when players are far too keen to come here, as if its a great opportunity for them, as it comes across like a promotion. What we want is players who are better than we have now, better than we may be expected to aim for, who we need to sell the club and its ambitions to in order to convince them to join, rather than offering a promotion to somebody at a similar or lower level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 July, 2011 Share Posted 3 July, 2011 If he really wanted to be here he would be already signed. It looks like he is hanging on, hoping that a club he is interested in comes in for him. If that is the case, it is better he goes somewhere else. If he is being open and fair with club, surely it is quite reasonable to explore options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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