Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 I am going to make it my mission now to meet an essex bird on holiday when I go to Zante...... You make sure you wear your vest or t-shirt underneath your unbuttoned shirt, their fannies will so wet they'll be leaving a snail trail behind them.
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 You make sure you wear your vest or t-shirt underneath your unbuttoned shirt, their fannies will so wet they'll be leaving a snail trail behind them. haha, without fail. it will be easy pickings....
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 I think we should only sign players who are committed to the club. The question is, is he committed? Doesn't sound it to me. Funny that, i think we should only sign players who aren't commited to the club, that way we get to keep the massive turnover of players we all want every summer and everyone, which 90% of our tranfers are, which aren't brilliant straight away can easily be got rid of.
shurlock Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 I think we should only sign players who are committed to the club. The question is, is he committed? Doesn't sound it to me. FFS, do you want him to swear a blood oath? Any player who is contracted to a club and knows their long-term ambitions depend on them doing well for the club won't have any trouble finding 'commitment'. As for Stephens, the kid didn't strike me as complacent or uninterested; but nervous and slightly overawed when he played for us, suggesting, if anything, the opposite problem. Either way, its a totally different kettle of fish when you're on loan at the club compared to being permanent - you know that if you f**k up, especially if like Stephens you start week-in, week-out, you've got a club to go back to.
benjii Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Denise Van Outen is from Essex, i'd smash her all over Basildon FFS. Yes, me too. I meant the ghastly programme, rather than the place. I'm sorry.
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Err- West Ham, possibly bigger club, better players, good manager, better chance of going up, in London where Cork us based at the moment. Leicester - making a big push for promotion, spending big on good championship players, whatever you think of Sven he has managed at top club and international level. Who would a player rather play uder, Sven ex-manager of England, Lazio, Roma, 17 titles under his belt or Nige, 3 seasons at the mighty S****horpe and one at Saints??? Burnley - Cork was there on loan, if he enjoyed it he might want to stay, who knows?? Saints - newly promoted, yet to sign anyone of note, but he can be "on the bus" FFS. I know a lot of you look at Saints with some ridiculous bias that players are falling over each other to join us but the reality is there are other clubs out there players would rather join. Try and keep up mate. Leicester have spent £1 million so far this transfer window. They are not big spenders.Their fans on their forums are not happy with their lack of spending. I would hardly call their manager inspirational when TV impressionists take the pis out of him and his most recent cv contains the names of clubs like Notts County!! West Ham are the enigma in the division. They could run away with the title next season .... or they could just explode. Paying Nolan £50k a week for 5 years when apparently they have no money smacks of Pompey style decision making - and we know how that ended up !! The last thing that Cork wants at this stage of his career is to be associated with a Pompey - like crash and burn!!
saint lard Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Err- West Ham, possibly bigger club, better players, good manager, better chance of going up, in London where Cork us based at the moment. Leicester - making a big push for promotion, spending big on good championship players, whatever you think of Sven he has managed at top club and international level. Who would a player rather play uder, Sven ex-manager of England, Lazio, Roma, 17 titles under his belt or Nige, 3 seasons at the mighty S****horpe and one at Saints??? Burnley - Cork was there on loan, if he enjoyed it he might want to stay, who knows?? Saints - newly promoted, yet to sign anyone of note, but he can be "on the bus" FFS. I know a lot of you look at Saints with some ridiculous bias that players are falling over each other to join us but the reality is there are other clubs out there players would rather join. I agree. You would be daft to turn down the possibility of playing for two managers who have pedigree in the top flight,either home or abroad,that are at clubs making a concerted effort to get promotion this season. Or would you chose a newly promoted side who have yet to show real intent and the possibility of selling a prized asset,coupled with a inexperienced manger at this level.
saint lard Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 This was one of my concerns when we lost Pardew and gained Adkins......Pardew would have had a tad more 'draw' than Adkins,imo. I will take my hat off to Adkins if he can tempt some fairly high class aquisitions.
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Try and keep up mate. Leicester have spent £1 million so far this transfer window. They are not big spenders.Their fans on their forums are not happy with their lack of spending. I would hardly call their manager inspirational when TV impressionists take the pis out of him and his most recent cv contains the names of clubs like Notts County!! West Ham are the ennigma in the division. They could run away with the title next season .... or they could just explode. Paying Nolan £50k a week for 5 years when apparently they have no money smacks of Pompey style decision making - and we know how that ended up !! The last thing that Cork wants at this stage of his career is to be associated with a Pompey - like crash and burn!! they have also signed Neil Danns on a free, Mackaill Smith set to sign today for £3m according to SSN, also rumoured to have bid for Matt Mills, Pilkington and Ched Evans. All players that people on here were wetting themselves over when mentioned. I would say that makes them big spenders and making a big push for promotion, try to keep up.... Of course the reason any player would refuse to join a club is because some second rate comedian did a couple of sh*t impressions of their manager on the telly once. Get a grip pal, Sven has years of experience and has won 17 trophies with some of the worlds biggest clubs. Nah, forget that, lets go and play for Cliche Nige where his own fans take the p*ss out of his cringeworthy interviews. West Ham might crash and burn, they might not, what is clear is they are gambling on going straight back up, Cork may well think it is a gamble worth taking, at his age if it doesn't work out there are plenty of other clubs that will take him. Alledyce is a very very good manager who i think will pull it off. Try to keep up mate...... Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 they have also signed Neil Danns on a free, Mackaill Smith set to sign today for £m according to SSN, also rumoured to have bid for Matt Mills, Pilkington and Ched Evans. All players that people on here were wetting themselves over when mentioned. I would say that makes them big spenders, try to keep up..... West Ham might crash and burn, they might not, what is clear is they are gambling on going straight back up, Cork may well think it is a gamble worth taking, at his age if it doesn't work out there are plenty of other clubs that will take him. I think the clues are "on a free" and "rumoured" to have bid. Unlike us, they have not met Chelsea's valuation yet. Why don't you go on the Leicester site and re assure them that they are a big ambitious club who are spending big as their fans currently do not think so. You may be more popular on their board than you are on here.:-) As for West Ham - why should Cork have to take a gamble at this stage of his career??? He may well want to take time to ensure he makes the right choice - but he certainly doesn't want to lose a gamble and end up in a Pompey style train crash.
shurlock Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Err- West Ham, possibly bigger club, better players, good manager, better chance of going up, in London where Cork us based at the moment. Leicester - making a big push for promotion, spending big on good championship players, whatever you think of Sven he has managed at top club and international level. Who would a player rather play uder, Sven ex-manager of England, Lazio, Roma, 17 titles under his belt or Nige, 3 seasons at the mighty S****horpe and one at Saints??? Burnley - Cork was there on loan, if he enjoyed it he might want to stay, who knows?? Saints - newly promoted, yet to sign anyone of note, but he can be "on the bus" FFS. I know a lot of you look at Saints with some ridiculous bias that players are falling over each other to join us but the reality is there are other clubs out there players would rather join. Its v.unlikely he will go to Leicester as per post 148 - they have King, Oakley, Wellens, Abe and now Danns (as well as a few others who can fill in at CM); any money they now spend will be on a CB to replace Hobbs and a CF to replace Yakubu/Kamara. Re. Burnley: from what i understand, they don't have the funds and/or unwilling to meet Chelsea's valuation/Cork's wage demands - not least because McCann has penned a new deal. West Ham would seem an obvious destination; but its hard to know how credible -they are financially or agent's talk is. While I don't think we're Cork's ideal choice; that' s not necessarily here or there. We seem to be the only show in town at the moment and that counts for more than some here suggest.
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) I think the clues are "on a free" and "rumoured" to have bid. Unlike us, they have not met Chelsea's valuation yet. Why don't you go on the Leicester site and re assure them that they are a big ambitious club who are spending big as their fans currently do not think so. You may be more popular on their board than you are on here.:-) As for West Ham - why should Cork have to take a gamble at this stage of his career??? He may well want to take time to ensure he makes the right choice - but he certainly doesn't want to lose a gamble and end up in a Pompey style train crash. So you are saying you would be devestated if we had signed Neill Danns because he didn't cost any money? Would you be disapointed if so far in this window we had signed Danns, Schmicheal and were about to sign CMS? Mackaill Smith is set to sign today, according to SSN,not a rumour. People were jizzing their pants when we were rumoured to put a bid in for him. Mills, Pilkington, Evans, all players our fans were getting erections over but certainly in Mills case writing off as very unlikely, it appears Leciester being in the chase show it isn't. So you dont think it would be a gamble at his stage of his career to join a newly promoted side, who have yet to improve the squad and play under a manager who hasn't pulled up any trees at this level? Or he could go to a big relegated club, making a push for promotion with some excellent players at this level and play under a very good, experienced manager with a reputation for being very successful with clubs of that size. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Its v.unlikely he will go to Leicester as per post 148 - they have King, Oakley, Wellens, Abe and now Danns (as well as a few others who can fill in at CM); any money they now spend will be on a CB to replace Hobbs and a CF to replace Yakubu/Kamara. Re. Burnley: from what i understand, they don't have the funds and/or unwilling to meet Chelsea's valuation/Cork's wage demands - not least because McCann has penned a new deal. West Ham would seem an obvious destination; but its hard to know how credible -they are financially or agent's talk is. While I don't think we're Cork's ideal choice; that' s not necessarily here or there. We seem to be the only show in town at the moment and that counts for more than some here suggest. Dont get me wrong, i'd be delighted if we signed him. I am not saying he is going to join the others, just in answer to Tames, if he had the option of all 4, then realistically we would be at best 3rd choice. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish
Wes Tender Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 This was one of my concerns when we lost Pardew and gained Adkins......Pardew would have had a tad more 'draw' than Adkins,imo. I will take my hat off to Adkins if he can tempt some fairly high class aquisitions. If that situation was debateable at the time of Adkins' appointment, I don't think that it holds good now, because of Adkins' achievement of getting yet another team promoted from the third division. Anybody with any knowledge of football can contrast the records of the two managers. Adkins has acquired a decent reputation for being able to work at an unfashionable club with no money and get them promoted. Now that he is at a club with money and good resources, he has enhanced his reputation further for getting us promoted. Many neutrals might even see it that Adkins succeeded where Pardew failed, if they weren't in possession of all of the facts of the situation. Pardew's reputation has been up and down, but memories linger at the poor performance at Charlton and West Ham. He didn't do too badly here, but a cloud hangs over his departure from us and he is yet to prove himself at Newcastle. As you say, Adkins is yet to prove that he can tempt a higher class acquisition to come here, but I see no reason why we shouldn't succeed with our current set-up.
Tamesaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 So you are saying you would be devestated if we had signed Neill Danns because he didn't cost any money? Would you be disapointed if so far in this window we had signed Danns, Schmicheal and were about to sign CMS? Mackaill Smith is set to sign today, according to SSN,not a rumour. People were jizzing their pants when we were rumoured to put a bid in for him. Mills, Pilkington, Evans, all players our fans were getting erections over but certainly in Mills case writing off as very unlikely, it appears Leciester being in the chase show it isn't. So you dont think it would be a gamble at his stage of his career to join a newly promoted side, who have yet to improve the squad and play under a manager who hasn't pulled up any trees at this level? Or he could go to a big relegated club, making a push for promotion with some excellent players at this level and play under a very good, experienced manager with a reputation for being very successful with clubs of that size. As I said, go on to the Leicester site and reassure them that they are a big spending club. They need your assurance.
Pilchards Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Look it's about money, gimme 20k a week and I will join any club as I love money more than playing every week. That's a footballer's attitude!
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 As I said, go on to the Leicester site and reassure them that they are a big spending club. They need your assurance. I dont care about Leicester. Why haven't you responded to my questions? i thought you had all the answers.....
Window Cleaner Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Look it's about money, gimme 20k a week and I will join any club as I love money more than playing every week. That's a footballer's attitude! Au contraire, Cork might be worried that he wouldn't get a regular game for us unless it's at right back.Probably sees himself as a midfielder and there's at lot of competition for those places at SMS.
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Look it's about money, gimme 20k a week and I will join any club as I love money more than playing every week. That's a footballer's attitude! Like all of us, they just want the best deal. It's all relative. Would a check out operator at ASDA stay there for £6 an hour when they could get £7 an hour at Sainsburys?
speed demon Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 He aint coming. No proof of this but my feeling is that it has gone on for too long. On top of that we have actually had a bid accepted so assuming we have offered a good package to him he is either at worst not coming or at best is stalling to see if anything better comes along. I reckon he is praying for WHU to do the deal. I don't really like the idea of someone coming to us after weeks and weeks of dialogue/speculation only because he couldn't get the move that he wanted.
Prince Jazzbo Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 This whole Cork thing reminds me of when we signed Kevin Phillips. Sunderland had been relegated, he was desperate for a prem club to come in for him, and he had pinned his hopes on Boro. But they didn't want him/weren't prepared to pay the asking price. He hung on and on hoping they would, and they didn't. So it was us or stay with Sunderland. In the end he reluctantly (imho) chose us. But he really never wanted to come here. On the question as to whether Adkins can attract players on not money attracts players not managers. If West Ham offer £15k a week and we offered £20k he will come here. He might be holding out for West Ham, but in the end, the club that pays him the most will sign him. It may not be what he wants though. I also reckon he thinks he still may have a future at Chelsea.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Err- West Ham, possibly bigger club, better players, good manager, better chance of going up, in London where Cork us based at the moment. Leicester - making a big push for promotion, spending big on good championship players, whatever you think of Sven he has managed at top club and international level. Who would a player rather play uder, Sven ex-manager of England, Lazio, Roma, 17 titles under his belt or Nige, 3 seasons at the mighty S****horpe and one at Saints??? Burnley - Cork was there on loan, if he enjoyed it he might want to stay, who knows?? Saints - newly promoted, yet to sign anyone of note, but he can be "on the bus" FFS. I know a lot of you look at Saints with some ridiculous bias that players are falling over each other to join us but the reality is there are other clubs out there players would rather join. how much have big spending Leicester spent? Not much and are weaker than th eteam that finished 10th last season
The9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Oh come on, exacklty how many clubs is someone expected to be "passionate" playing for? I reckon one, and only one, assumning you were borm a footy fan. The rest are jobs and hopefully jobs you can be enthusiastic about, but not so "passionate" that you go with little or no pay, bad conditions, better offer blah blah blah Honestly, even playing semi-pro and being a massive football fan I found playing and training regularly got pretty tedious pretty quickly. You can't possibly maintain that level of uber-motivation for long. It never consciously actually affected the amount of effort I'd put in in a match, I'd always give my best whether I was bored with football or not. But "my best" as a football player was not as impressive when I'd been playing a lot as that of a refreshed and eager player. It's just human nature.
Jonnyboy Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 So you are saying you would be devestated if we had signed Neill Danns because he didn't cost any money? Would you be disapointed if so far in this window we had signed Danns, Schmicheal and were about to sign CMS? Mackaill Smith is set to sign today, according to SSN,not a rumour. People were jizzing their pants when we were rumoured to put a bid in for him. Mills, Pilkington, Evans, all players our fans were getting erections over but certainly in Mills case writing off as very unlikely, it appears Leciester being in the chase show it isn't. So you dont think it would be a gamble at his stage of his career to join a newly promoted side, who have yet to improve the squad and play under a manager who hasn't pulled up any trees at this level? Or he could go to a big relegated club, making a push for promotion with some excellent players at this level and play under a very good, experienced manager with a reputation for being very successful with clubs of that size. Gotta agree. We were the big Fish in L1. Now we are back in the real world.
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 how much have big spending Leicester spent? Not much and are weaker than th eteam that finished 10th last season At risk of repeating myself, £1m on Schmicheal, Danns on a free. SSN reporting CMS signing today for £3m. Also meant to be in for Pilkington, Matt Mills & Ched Evans. Would you be disapointed if that our transfer activity so far this summer? We've lost Gobern & Stephens so are arguably weaker than the squad which got promoted.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Would you be disapointed if so far in this window we had signed Danns, Schmicheal and were about to sign CMS? . would say that would be ok transfer window. Danns looks decent - but hardly star of this league, would have improved the squad - not convinced would have been a first name on team sheet for the year. Would not want Schmiecal do not care in the least they got him. CMS is not worth over £3m to us IMHO. Unless we have bottomless pit would rather spend money elsewhere or stick with our current forward.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 At risk of repeating myself, £1m on Schmicheal, Danns on a free. SSN reporting CMS signing today for £3m. Also meant to be in for Pilkington, Matt Mills & Ched Evans. Would you be disapointed if that our transfer activity so far this summer? We've lost Gobern & Stephens so are arguably weaker than the squad which got promoted. SSN report as much crap as Mirror so not a signing yet. But if he does I have just commented on that. IF they get all the others will be decent signings. Have you looked who they have lost since last year? Few better players. Gobern /Stephens not a loss - only needed during series of injuries / suspensions. Even if we don't sign anyone we would use loans if same happended - or younger players coming through
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) would say that would be ok transfer window. Danns looks decent - but hardly star of this league, would have improved the squad - not convinced would have been a first name on team sheet for the year. Would not want Schmiecal do not care in the least they got him. CMS is not worth over £3m to us IMHO. Unless we have bottomless pit would rather spend money elsewhere or stick with our current forward. £3m seems to be the price for a decent championship striker these days. Danns would definitely be an improvement on our current central midfield. I would say Schmicheal is a better keeper than we have, but that area is not a priority, IMO. Edited 2 July, 2011 by Turkish
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 SSN report as much crap as Mirror so not a signing yet. But if he does I have just commented on that. IF they get all the others will be decent signings. Have you looked who they have lost since last year? Few better players. Gobern /Stephens not a loss - only needed during series of injuries / suspensions. Even if we don't sign anyone we would use loans if same happended - or younger players coming through You keep your head in the sand Nicky son.
The9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Lets be real, if you had no alligence to any of those 4, right now Saints and Burnley would be your third & fourth choice. If he enjoyed being at Burnley they might be ahead of us. Maybe, depends what he wants. He knows the clubs with whom he was on loan and he knows where he'll be pretty sure of being a starter. He'll also have a good idea of how near success Burnley are.
saintjay77 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 He aint coming. No proof of this but my feeling is that it has gone on for too long. On top of that we have actually had a bid accepted so assuming we have offered a good package to him he is either at worst not coming or at best is stalling to see if anything better comes along. I reckon he is praying for WHU to do the deal. I don't really like the idea of someone coming to us after weeks and weeks of dialogue/speculation only because he couldn't get the move that he wanted. He could of course be waiting for west ham or another club to offer something so he can at least speak to them and see what they are offering if it's more than us he may have something to come back to us with for negotiating to get a better deal. They may offer less which makes his decision a little more simple. Nothing wrong with making sure he gets the best deal possible. As long as him and his representatives act properly then I can't see anyone having a problem with it. Gobern having a deal sorted out 2 weeks ago when the club knew nothing about it is a bit off and that kind of behind the back treatment is what will make our club drop interest in someone.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 £3m seems to be the price for a decent championship striker these days. Danns would definitely be an improvement on our current midfield 4. I would say Schmicheal is a better keeper than we have, but that area is not a priority, IMO. Is CMS a decent championship striker? Or a 29 year old with one very good season in league 1 with only a year left on his contract? Sharp and Maynard are years younger, and to be honest sound better although not seen enough of them myself, hence £3m. I have seen a lot of CMS and think he would add to our team, but not convinced would add that much compared to Barnard / Connolly - particularly at higher level where you may need more than his high energy game. I would have liked to see Danns alongside Morgan in CM, but again lets not kid ourselves that he is going to be easily the best CM in this league. Maybe Cork will sign, maybe Cork is better and younger. Schmeical is younger than Kelvin but would rather have Kelvin for next season. Di Matteo wrote an article, with great detail, saying he is not good enough for Leeds after watching him all of last season. Sorry for repeating this bit - but Leicester know their squad wasn't good enough last year as they failed to make play offs - they are weaker than they were.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 You keep your head in the sand Nicky son. given up debating facts then cheer up.
Wes Tender Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Like all of us, they just want the best deal. It's all relative. Would a check out operator at ASDA stay there for £6 an hour when they could get £7 an hour at Sainsburys? Of course, that is not a good example (and perhaps I ought to say that only you could come up with such a crap analogy ) , for the simple reason that there is an additional factor of support and loyalty in football that doesn't exactly feature where a job of stacking cans or operating a check-out is concerned. Some players do indeed go to clubs for less money because it was the club they supported from childhood, or because it is their local club. There are all sorts of factors that can sway a player one way or another, such as the manager, the facilities, the environment, their wife's happiness, even their children's schooling. It isn't all about money.
The9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 (edited) Gobern having a deal sorted out 2 weeks ago when the club knew nothing about it is a bit off and that kind of behind the back treatment is what will make our club drop interest in someone. Gobern was entitled to talk to anyone from Jan 1* as his contract was expiring, and it's none of the club's business who he's negotiating with in that time. It's their job to make sure if they want to keep him they make him a decent offer. They haven't, so he's left. It's not "behind their back", it's within the rules. *though I did hear that negotiation period might have changed ? Edited 2 July, 2011 by The9 Punctuation
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 or you may take the £6 an hour Asda job in East London if that is where your girlfriend and mates live even though you are offered £10 an hour in Waitrose in Hampshire!
Wes Tender Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Gobern was entitled to talk to anyone from Jan 1* as his contract was expiring, and it's none of the club's business who he's negotiating with in that time. It's their job to make sure if they want to keep him they make him a decent offer. They haven't, so he's left. It's not "behind their back", it's within the rules. *though I did hear that negotiation period might have changed ? That's not what Adkins says on the OS. He maintains that Gobern was offered a decent contract. Also, Adkins highlights the amount of time and effort expended by our physios and medical staff to get him fit after a couple of years of not playing and also moving on Wotton to give him opportunities to gain a place in midfield. What comes across to me, is that Gobern had a moral obligation to have spoken to Saints and that if he felt that the contract offer was not good enough to have tempted him to stay, why didn't he have the decency to have discussed it and Huddersfield's interest? Frankly, if what is said on the OS about it is true, then good riddance. There seems to be echoes of Puncheon here, or at the very least, he has been badly advised by his agent on the best way to proceed with these things. With luck, he will do the same thing to Huddersfield a year or two down the line.
niceandfriendly Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 also rumoured to have bid for Matt Mills, Pilkington and Ched Evans. must make us big spenders too as we've been rumoured to be after all sorts, even ex Pardew targets!
Window Cleaner Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 That's not what Adkins says on the OS. He maintains that Gobern was offered a decent contract. Also, Adkins highlights the amount of time and effort expended by our physios and medical staff to get him fit after a couple of years of not playing and also moving on Wotton to give him opportunities to gain a place in midfield. What comes across to me, is that Gobern had a moral obligation to have spoken to Saints and that if he felt that the contract offer was not good enough to have tempted him to stay, why didn't he have the decency to have discussed it and Huddersfield's interest? Frankly, if what is said on the OS about it is true, then good riddance. There seems to be echoes of Puncheon here, or at the very least, he has been badly advised by his agent on the best way to proceed with these things. With luck, he will do the same thing to Huddersfield a year or two down the line. I really,really don't understand all this chagrin over Gobern, perhaps he just wanted to play regularly, with Morgan,Chappers and Hammond already here and a bid in for Cork he was never ever going to get much of a look in.So he left; so what. Adkins has to be very very wary about how he handles our midfield next season,if he goes down his experience counts role then I guess he'll be saying exactly the same things about Morgan next July,because Morgan well I don't think he'll stand for being a spare wheel behind Chappers and Hammond very long,no matter how much money the club offer him to sit on the bench.It's clear if you want a player to stay at the club then you have to give him the opportunity to play regularly and not just when your preferred starter is injured or suspended. Saints have no reserve side to speak of so if you're not playing much in the first team you're just expending effort at training to sit on the bench. I do wonder if this is why (or partially so) that the Sharp affair failed, he wanted regular football and we told him he'd be one of 5 competing for 2 (or even 1) striking place with Lambert always on pole position.
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Gobern was entitled to talk to anyone from Jan 1* *though I did hear that negotiation period might have changed ? It was never 1st January for a domestic club wanting to talk to a player approaching the end of his contract, that was for foreign clubs wishing to talk to you. Domestic clubs had a period starting 6 weeks before contracts end on 30th June.
saintmatt Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 That's not what Adkins says on the OS. He maintains that Gobern was offered a decent contract. Also, Adkins highlights the amount of time and effort expended by our physios and medical staff to get him fit after a couple of years of not playing and also moving on Wotton to give him opportunities to gain a place in midfield. What comes across to me, is that Gobern had a moral obligation to have spoken to Saints and that if he felt that the contract offer was not good enough to have tempted him to stay, why didn't he have the decency to have discussed it and Huddersfield's interest? Frankly, if what is said on the OS about it is true, then good riddance. There seems to be echoes of Puncheon here, or at the very least, he has been badly advised by his agent on the best way to proceed with these things. With luck, he will do the same thing to Huddersfield a year or two down the line. I think it's all talk so we get a decent sum for him at tribunal tbh! I'm really not convinced we were too bothered about keeping him, and I'm really not that fussed he's now gone!
Junction 9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Sorry for daring to go back on topic, but have we signed Jack Cork?
Saints foreva Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 So you are saying you would be devestated if we had signed Neill Danns because he didn't cost any money? Would you be disapointed if so far in this window we had signed Danns, Schmicheal and were about to sign CMS? Mills, Pilkington, Evans, all players our fans were getting erections over but certainly in Mills case writing off as very unlikely, it appears Leciester being in the chase show it isn't. I would personally be disappointed had Saints signed Kasper Schmeichel for £1m. Very overrated goalkeeper, hence the reason why Leeds snatched at that offer. I would also be disappointed if Saints were being linked with Ched Evans. I remember at City he was always bigged up as someone for the future but since moving to Sheffield United for £3m(!) he done very little for them.
Itchen_block4 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Look it's about money, gimme 20k a week and I will join any club as I love money more than playing every week. That's a footballer's attitude! Most of us would sell out too for a footballer's wage and a signing-on fee large enoough to put down the deposit on a mansion. Are we the only team with a bid accepted? I'd expect he's probably holding out until there are multiple offers on the table.
NickG Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 I would personally be disappointed had Saints signed Kasper Schmeichel for £1m. Very overrated goalkeeper, hence the reason why Leeds snatched at that offer. I would also be disappointed if Saints were being linked with Ched Evans. I remember at City he was always bigged up as someone for the future but since moving to Sheffield United for £3m(!) he done very little for them. agree, think its a bit of fantasy football / grass is always greener mentality
Stepgar Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 Sorry for daring to go back on topic, but have we signed Jack Cork? Not as yet.
The9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 That's not what Adkins says on the OS. He maintains that Gobern was offered a decent contract. Also, Adkins highlights the amount of time and effort expended by our physios and medical staff to get him fit after a couple of years of not playing and also moving on Wotton to give him opportunities to gain a place in midfield. What comes across to me, is that Gobern had a moral obligation to have spoken to Saints and that if he felt that the contract offer was not good enough to have tempted him to stay, why didn't he have the decency to have discussed it and Huddersfield's interest? Frankly, if what is said on the OS about it is true, then good riddance. There seems to be echoes of Puncheon here, or at the very least, he has been badly advised by his agent on the best way to proceed with these things. With luck, he will do the same thing to Huddersfield a year or two down the line. Gobern's got no obligation other than to his career. The only reason he'd have spoken to Saints about other offers is to try and negotiate himself a better deal using Huddersfield as leverage, and the fact he's gone to Huddersfield implies that even if he did this, Saints weren't prepared to up their initial offer. He almost certainly won't have uprooted gone to Huddersfield for a worse offer, so we have to assume Saints offer wasn't as good as Huddersfield's. I was pretty sure everyone had seen the Gobern spin for the rhetoric it is - aside from the benefits in making Gobern seem more important to improve his value for the tribunal, it also doesn't look good for Saints to be losing young players with a lower league team outbidding them on wages. There are certainly parallels with Matt Mills and Leon Best leaving as well, just after they started getting a break in the first team after years of sitting it out... Martin Cranie was similar too. I think there's some genuine regret from Adkins, but mainly because he's got a reputation for bringing kids through and it makes him look a bit bad that a young player has chosen to go elsewhere.
The9 Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 It was never 1st January for a domestic club wanting to talk to a player approaching the end of his contract, that was for foreign clubs wishing to talk to you. Domestic clubs had a period starting 6 weeks before contracts end on 30th June. Cheers, I knew there was something I wasn't clear on (and knew you'd reply!). So all of this would have happened AFTER promotion was confirmed, AFTER Gobern started against Brighton in the biggest game of our season, and began in a period when Huddersfield weren't sure which division they'd be in (thus delaying their decision too, dependent on who was leaving them).
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2011 Posted 2 July, 2011 at the end of the day, we cant keep every player. he has done very little in league 1 to suggest he is going to be anything better than what we have now, let alone where we want to be... good luck to him...he may come good, he more than likely wont (imo).....
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