We must spend now

[Dalek2003]

Anyone would think wed jumped 5 leagues!? This ain't that great a league, teams from league 1 have coped very well without big spending!

 

Swansea were promoted in 2008 now in prem, Leicester last year made the play offs after promotion and Norwich again strolled it!! Leeds and millwall coped fairly easily too.......

 

It's not that tough

 

 

You may be right, we'll know by about October. One thing about Norwich, they were early and decisive in the transfer market.

[NickG]

Anyone would think wed jumped 5 leagues!? This ain't that great a league, teams from league 1 have coped very well without big spending!

 

Swansea were promoted in 2008 now in prem, Leicester last year made the play offs after promotion and Norwich again strolled it!! Leeds and millwall coped fairly easily too.......

 

It's not that tough

 

good points

[Mowgli]

It is quite possible that the current squad is capable of a serious challenge in the Championship. That is why the vast majority of the squad have been retained. In reality one or two players will not make the step up but we will not know who those are until around October. We need to build on the current squad with players who will not only help a promotion push but who can survive at Premiership level and (most importantly) are motivated by the club's vision, not just the salary.

 

So I see nothing wrong in being patient and waiting for the right players. CMS, Danns and Peltier are undoubtedly good signings but there are others out there of equal and better quality.

 

Have faith. It will all make sense in the fullness of time.

[slickmick]

Maybe the "will" to spend is not what is was?

 

If we are serious about going up it is going to take more than just a few bob.

 

Saving it all for our 45000 stadium development apparently.

[NickG]

It is quite possible that the current squad is capable of a serious challenge in the Championship. That is why the vast majority of the squad have been retained. In reality one or two players will not make the step up but we will not know who those are until around October. We need to build on the current squad with players who will not only help a promotion push but who can survive at Premiership level and (most importantly) are motivated by the club's vision, not just the salary.

 

So I see nothing wrong in being patient and waiting for the right players. CMS, Danns and Peltier are undoubtedly good signings but there are others out there of equal and better quality.

 

Have faith. It will all make sense in the fullness of time.

 

all of those would have added to our squad but don't feel we have missed out on amazing players

[The Kraken]

It is quite possible that the current squad is capable of a serious challenge in the Championship. That is why the vast majority of the squad have been retained. In reality one or two players will not make the step up but we will not know who those are until around October. We need to build on the current squad with players who will not only help a promotion push but who can survive at Premiership level and (most importantly) are motivated by the club's vision, not just the salary.

 

So I see nothing wrong in being patient and waiting for the right players. CMS, Danns and Peltier are undoubtedly good signings but there are others out there of equal and better quality.

 

Have faith. It will all make sense in the fullness of time.

 

I don't doubt for a minute that pretty much all of the players who played a major part last year can more than hold their own at Championship level. We've got rid of Gobern, but I don't see anyone else of the established players who would struggle at a higher league. I think we're just missing a few players who can really improve the quality of the team. there aren't wholesale changes needed, which is why I'm not too concerned about the lack of transfer activity so far. We'll see what players arrive in the next few weeks, we know NA wants to bring in new blood, and the rumours we've heard so far are encouraging.

[Turkish]

I don't doubt for a minute that pretty much all of the players who played a major part last year can more than hold their own at Championship level. We've got rid of Gobern, but I don't see anyone else of the established players who would struggle at a higher league. I think we're just missing a few players who can really improve the quality of the team. there aren't wholesale changes needed, which is why I'm not too concerned about the lack of transfer activity so far. We'll see what players arrive in the next few weeks, we know NA wants to bring in new blood, and the rumours we've heard so far are encouraging.

 

SPot on, i dont want to see us sign 7 or 8 players. THe core of the side is decent, in Fonte, Lallana and AOC (if he stays) we have arguably the three best players in their position in the division. I also think MS and Guly will be effective in the championship. I'd like to see us add two or three quality players now and then a further one in January. Evolution rather than revolution. Good teams are built gradually and overtime by adding quality, not ripping it up each summer and starting again.

[Dalek2003]

It is quite possible that the current squad is capable of a serious challenge in the Championship. That is why the vast majority of the squad have been retained. In reality one or two players will not make the step up but we will not know who those are until around October. We need to build on the current squad with players who will not only help a promotion push but who can survive at Premiership level and (most importantly) are motivated by the club's vision, not just the salary.

 

So I see nothing wrong in being patient and waiting for the right players. CMS, Danns and Peltier are undoubtedly good signings but there are others out there of equal and better quality.

 

Have faith. It will all make sense in the fullness of time.

 

 

SFC Public Relations Dept in disguise ?

[Dalek2003]

SPot on, i dont want to see us sign 7 or 8 players. THe core of the side is decent, in Fonte, Lallana and AOC (if he stays) we have arguably the three best players in their position in the division. I also think MS and Guly will be effective in the championship. I'd like to see us add two or three quality players now and then a further one in January. Evolution rather than revolution. Good teams are built gradually and overtime by adding quality, not ripping it up each summer and starting again.

 

Evolution yes, stagnation...no. If we don't evolve, we won't survive.

[ribbo]

SFC Public Relations Dept in disguise ?

 

nah, just someone thinking rationally it appears to me.

[braveheart1983]

For a change....I wouldn't complain if we DIDNT sign anyone. Why? Well we don't truly know our weaknesses and strengths until some of our players have been tested at the Championship level.

 

I personally think we'll be very surprised. Some players who we thought would storm the league won't and others we thought in our squad as "average" will be better than we expect. Once we've had half a season in the Championship Adkins and Cortese will be much better informed where there's weaknesses in the squad.

 

The problem we had in league 1 is a number of our players really weren't stretched at all.....so it's hard to spot our weaker areas until the players are really tested at the higher level.

[aintforever]

It is quite possible that the current squad is capable of a serious challenge in the Championship.

 

Disagree. Mid-table at best.

[Dalek2003]

For a change....I wouldn't complain if we DIDNT sign anyone. Why? Well we don't truly know our weaknesses and strengths until some of our players have been tested at the Championship level.

 

I personally think we'll be very surprised. Some players who we thought would storm the league won't and others we thought in our squad as "average" will be better than we expect. Once we've had half a season in the Championship Adkins and Cortese will be much better informed where there's weaknesses in the squad.

 

The problem we had in league 1 is a number of our players really weren't stretched at all.....so it's hard to spot our weaker areas until the players are really tested at the higher level.

 

I would be wary of complacency !

[Fowllyd]

Maybe the "will" to spend is not what is was?

 

If we are serious about going up it is going to take more than just a few bob.

 

You arent allowed to express that opinion.

 

Well, he seems to have managed to do so. Am I allowed to say that it's still June?

[hypochondriac]

Well, he seems to have managed to do so. Am I allowed to say that it's still June?

 

Maybe things have changed. You weren't allowed to say that last week without a load of abuse. Note the word 'maybe.'

[the stain]

Maybe things have changed. You weren't allowed to say that last week without a load of abuse. Note the word 'maybe.'

 

Stop being a baby.

[Fowllyd]

Maybe things have changed. You weren't allowed to say that last week without a load of abuse. Note the word 'maybe.'

 

Surely you're allowed to say whatever you wish (within the rules of the forum natch). Others will disagree, but that's their prerogative. I can't say I've seen anything much by way of abuse, and certainly nothing that couldn't be easily ignored by those it was aimed at.

[hypochondriac]

Surely you're allowed to say whatever you wish (within the rules of the forum natch). Others will disagree, but that's their prerogative. I can't say I've seen anything much by way of abuse, and certainly nothing that couldn't be easily ignored by those it was aimed at.

 

Posts are routinely jumped on and either praised or rejected and treated with scorn depending on whether news is positive or negative.

[shurlock]

Hard to work out why people want us to spend money - whether its objectively to stengthen the squad or a symbolic show of strength, reassurance that the Liebherrs are in for the long haul.And, no doubt, some are confusing one for the other without realising it.

 

Either way, the combination of making the step up to the championship, nagging concerns about our ownership along with memories of poor preseasons last year and the year before will mean, for some, that no amount of activity is enough this season. Even if there may be partial truth in some of these points, they are not enough to justify some of the hysteria on here.

 

And so what if other teams are strengthening right now - they have good reasons that don't apply to us. Leicester relied on loans for the good part of last season which have now expired and need replacement; West Ham are anticipating a number of departunes that naturally accompanies relegation. etc etc.

 

Of course, if we had missed out on i) transfer targets or ii) must-buys, assessments might be somewhat. But we'll never know who we were after (including fee) unless we get them and, right now, I don't think we've missed out on any must-buys. Cork will be an interesting test, though.

[Fowllyd]

Posts are routinely jumped on and either praised or rejected and treated with scorn depending on whether news is positive or negative.

 

And this is your idea of abuse? I had no idea you were so delicate. As far as I can see from recent threads, concepts of positive and negative are highly subjective. I've seen scorn poured on posts by many; it happens all the time on here. But I haven't seen anybody get told they're not allowed to say certain things or express particular views. People's views differ; it's hardly news, is it?

[Crazy Diamond]

No. We must not spend now.

 

We should spend if the player is right and the price is fair.

[NickG]

Hard to work out why people want us to spend money - whether its objectively to stengthen the squad or a symbolic show of strength, reassurance that the Liebherrs are in for the long haul.And, no doubt, some are confusing one for the other without realising it.

 

Either way, the combination of making the step up to the championship, nagging concerns about our ownership along with memories of poor preseasons last year and the year before will mean, for some, that no amount of activity is enough this season. Even if there may be partial truth in some of these points, they are not enough to justify some of the hysteria on here.

 

And so what if other teams are strengthening right now - they have good reasons that don't apply to us. Leicester relied on loans for the good part of last season which have now expired and need replacement; West Ham are anticipating a number of departunes that naturally accompanies relegation. etc etc.

 

Of course, if we had missed out on i) transfer targets or ii) must-buys, assessments might be somewhat. But we'll never know who we were after (including fee) unless we get them and, right now, I don't think we've missed out on any must-buys. Cork will be an interesting test, though.

 

bit reasonable for here!

[forever a red and white]

Hmm, yes the squad needs investment but lets not be reckless and overspend. Leicester's money spent gives them a better chance but not gurantee, it could go horribly wrong as we have witnessed so many times before. They are an established NPC side, we are not. Our squad is not good enough to compete at the top. Lets be realistic, there are some strong teams in the this league. Mid-table is fine, a few additions and maybe top-half. But lets not get carried away.

 

Lets not forget, a frequent message from Pardew and Adkins was that players signed in League 1 were to help us compete in the NPC as well, and lets also remeber we spent very heavily in League 1, spending will have to be restrained at some point. Its still not even July, activity will happen just be patient.

[hypochondriac]

And this is your idea of abuse? I had no idea you were so delicate. As far as I can see from recent threads, concepts of positive and negative are highly subjective. I've seen scorn poured on posts by many; it happens all the time on here. But I haven't seen anybody get told they're not allowed to say certain things or express particular views. People's views differ; it's hardly news, is it?

 

Positive news is praised and posters posting something negative (or anti SFC as some would see it) are mocked, laughed at and generally treated in what I would perceive to be an abusive manner. It used to happen with people who dared post anything remotely positive about Lowe, (note Keith and his bannings of certain posters) then people who were 'anti Wilde' and now it happens with people who don't think Cortese is a God. It's a common problem with this forum.

[Crazy Diamond]

Okay well, look at it this way.

 

How much should we spend on a single player? Would £3 million for someone be too much?

 

AND

 

How much should we spend overall? We paid about £7 million in 06/07, should we spend that much again?

[dune]

Evolution rather than revolution.

 

Didn't 'call me Mike' say this?

[forever a red and white]

Okay well, look at it this way.

 

How much should we spend on a single player? Would £3 million for someone be too much?

 

AND

 

How much should we spend overall? We paid about £7 million in 06/07, should we spend that much again?

 

Whilst this point is a valid one, the general £ spent on transfers and wages has increased the difference between £6m now and then is fairly large.

[Crazy Diamond]

Whilst this point is a valid one, the general £ spent on transfers and wages has increased the difference between £6m now and then is fairly large.

 

Equally as valid.

 

I always thought back in 06/07 that spending as much as we did was absolutely horrific, I wouldn't want to see us do it again now even with our financial security. The other thing is, is it a case of Adkins asking? Pardew said he'd deliver the play-offs if we invested in the January 2010 window. He failed to deliver and (in my view) it is that broken promise that led to his dismissal. If Nigel asks for a certain amount of money for a player, saying it will be a good signing that will give the team a boost, will we pay out for him?

Edited 27 June, 2011 by Crazy Diamond

[forever a red and white]

I always thought back in 06/07 that spending as much as we did was absolutely horrific, I wouldn't want to see us do it again now even with our financial security.

 

Agreed

[Dig Dig]

Positive news is praised and posters posting something negative (or anti SFC as some would see it) are mocked, laughed at and generally treated in what I would perceive to be an abusive manner. It used to happen with people who dared post anything remotely positive about Lowe, (note Keith and his bannings of certain posters) then people who were 'anti Wilde' and now it happens with people who don't think Cortese is a God. It's a common problem with this forum.

 

Do you ever shut the **** up? I get it, we all get it!!! Stop trying to moderate the forum FFS!

[hypochondriac]

Do you ever shut the **** up? I get it, we all get it!!! Stop trying to moderate the forum FFS!

 

I'm not. It's strange that you think I am. I see you are getting abusive again which just proves my point.

[Dig Dig]

I'm not. It's strange that you think I am. I see you are getting abusive again which just proves my point.

 

What point does my "abuse" prove? It would be nice to come on here and see you not banging on about the same **** on numerous threads. Maybe people gravitate towards more postive news because that's the point of supporting a club.... for enjoyment. Not to speculate on unfounded negative rumours stoked up from those with some sort of warped agenda

[S-Clarke]

To put a bit of context in this thread, it's not just us thinking this way. Check out the Leicester City forum

 

http://talkingballs.co.uk/showthread.php/33715-less-money-than-we-thought?p=1041075#post1041075

[Dalek2003]

Listen Hypo, I think you are suffering from too much pressure.

 

let me help you out and take some of that pressure off you.

 

IF WE HAD ALLOWED HODDLE BACK IN 2004 WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PREMIERSHIP CHAMPIONS AND IT IS ALL THE FAULT OF THE VOCAL MINORITY !!!

#

Now that should do the trick !

[Crazy Diamond]

To put a bit of context in this thread, it's not just us thinking this way. Check out the Leicester City forum

 

http://talkingballs.co.uk/showthread.php/33715-less-money-than-we-thought?p=1041075#post1041075

 

Quite amusing. Second post kind of echoes what I'm thinking.

[S-Clarke]

Quite amusing. Second post kind of echoes what I'm thinking.

 

I think most people with sanity agree with that too! Anyone panicking now, and I'll stand by what i said before, is being hysterical.

[Fowllyd]

Positive news is praised and posters posting something negative (or anti SFC as some would see it) are mocked, laughed at and generally treated in what I would perceive to be an abusive manner. It used to happen with people who dared post anything remotely positive about Lowe, (note Keith and his bannings of certain posters) then people who were 'anti Wilde' and now it happens with people who don't think Cortese is a God. It's a common problem with this forum.

 

Oh, come off it. Where are the bannings? There aren't any - unless you count Deppo, and I'm sure you wouldn't. I haven't seen anyone suggesting that Cortese is god, come to that - unless, of course, you count the trolling posts by Turkish and others. And do you really find it surprising that positive news is greeted more enthusiastically than negative news?

[hypochondriac]

Oh, come off it. Where are the bannings? There aren't any - unless you count Deppo, and I'm sure you wouldn't. I haven't seen anyone suggesting that Cortese is god, come to that - unless, of course, you count the trolling posts by Turkish and others. And do you really find it surprising that positive news is greeted more enthusiastically than negative news?

 

Were you around on saintsforever? I assure you there were many bannings for simply holding a different view, not that Keith has anything to do with the site now. There are quite a few regular posters who won't entertain the idea that Cortese can do anything wrong, however small. All I want is the freedom to discuss both positive and negative rumour and its implications without being accused of having some sort of anti SFC agenda or whatever other things I and others have been accused of.

[hypochondriac]

What point does my "abuse" prove? It would be nice to come on here and see you not banging on about the same **** on numerous threads. Maybe people gravitate towards more postive news because that's the point of supporting a club.... for enjoyment. Not to speculate on unfounded negative rumours stoked up from those with some sort of warped agenda

 

It proves that many posters resort to abuse rather than talk about things sensibly.

[Fowllyd]

Were you around on saintsforever? I assure you there were many bannings for simply holding a different view, not that Keith has anything to do with the site now. There are quite a few regular posters who won't entertain the idea that Cortese can do anything wrong, however small. All I want is the freedom to discuss both positive and negative rumour and its implications without being accused of having some sort of anti SFC agenda or whatever other things I and others have been accused of.

 

Yes, I was around back then, though I didn't post much if at all. Nobody's been banned on here, have they? In fact, I get the impression that Steve Grant is hardly a big Cortese fan - but nobody's getting banned for saying good things about Cortese either. I'd say there are a few posters who get extravagantly irate over remarkably little, but they're not by any means confined to the (supposed) pro-Cortese camp.

 

If you're accused of things that aren't the case, simply tell the accuser that they're wrong and why they're wrong. If they persist and don't answer any points that you make, stop bothering to debate with them. There are plenty of people on here who can manage a reasoned discussion, and quite a few who can't. You're free to discuss whatever you like, but other posters are too - and that counts whether you like what they say or not. At a rough guess, you probably won't help your own cause by posting snide comments about not being allowed to post certain views. Pouring petrol on flames comes to mind.

[Fan The Flames]

Word on the street is that Cortese will not be spending anything on transfers this season but has decided to spunk the lot on hookers and coke. He will be inviting 6 lucky ST holders to join in the fun.

I've got my invite, have you had yours?

 

Thats not much fun, drinking soft drinks with a load of rugby players

[PhilippineSaint]

Drama. Queens.

 

No just Queens

[whelk]

Neil Danns on a free would have been good business. Shame Leicester got him

[thorpie the sinner]

Still not convinced we have money at mo!

[Huntingdon]

I think the reality of Markus death is hitting home

 

We are clearly not spending money as before, and in the NPC players want significantly higher wages

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised, if in 12 months time we are under a different ownership

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think the reality of Markus death is hitting home

 

We are clearly not spending money as before, and in the NPC players want significantly higher wages

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised, if in 12 months time we are under a different ownership

 

Nor me

[thorpie the sinner]

Nor me

 

Or me!!!! The marketing budget certainly isn't sorted! Actually a tad worried

[John B]

Nor me

 

Yes I agree but I dont think QPR spent that much when they first were taken over

 

Although if I remember they did have a lot of managers

[hypochondriac]

I think the reality of Markus death is hitting home

 

We are clearly not spending money as before, and in the NPC players want significantly higher wages

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised, if in 12 months time we are under a different ownership

 

Have to say I agree with this. It certainly does look that way.

[benjii]

I don't think anyone is getting hysterical - merely observing that clubs who are being touted as promotion candidates have started spending money on players we have been rumoured to be interested in.

There is surely sense in making signings in time for pre-season training, so the players have more time to gel. The fact we haven't is provoking debate which has been pretty sensible until you sarcastically dived in with your hysteria jibe and your rather ridiculous presumption that "we will make signings". Or perhaps you know something we don't.

 

It's not a ridiculous presumption at all. It is by far the most sensible one. Every opportunity to deliver has been taken by this regime. Every chance to strengthen has been a success.

 

The ridiculous people are the immature whingers and disgruntled former cronies.