Teachers training days

[OldNick]

Teachers training days, why are they not taken during the many school holidays?

I wish they were around when I was they didn't even close when it was snowing.

It seems a nonsense to me. Surely you are either trained or you are not.

[Matthew Le God]

Teachers training days, why are they not taken during the many school holidays?

 

Because teachers want holidays. Perk of the job.

 

Surely you are either trained or you are not.

 

Education is forever changing and evolving. New issues arise, new methods to use etc since staff did teacher training possibly many years earlier.

[Saint Mikey]

Teachers training days, why are they not taken during the many school holidays?

I wish they were around when I was they didn't even close when it was snowing.

It seems a nonsense to me. Surely you are either trained or you are not.

 

My old man is a Headmaster and he always makes sure these are tagged on the end or before holidays. Better for everyone...

 

But, that is a ridiculous statement to make about training. So, you think a teacher who starts at 22/3 should have no extra training til they retire at 65?! What about teachers these days, none would have a f*cking clue how to use IT, something that has fundamentally changed the way education is delivered. What about changes in syllabus? I'm not a teacher, but f*ck me, that's a stupid thing to say...

[View From The Top]

Teachers training days, why are they not taken during the many school holidays?

I wish they were around when I was they didn't even close when it was snowing.

It seems a nonsense to me. Surely you are either trained or you are not.

 

Statutory days allocated by a previous tory government, hence the name Baker Days.

 

In my experience most teachers hate them, myself included.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The one thing I can't understand is if they are teaching children, why are there no children to teach at their "training days".Surely controling children in a classroom enviorment is one of the most important training needs?

 

During their "training days" do driving instructors walk round the streets without their cars?

[Gemmel]

May be they could combine them with their "Striking Days"

[Matthew Le God]

The one thing I can't understand is if they are teaching children, why are there no children to teach at their "training days".Surely controling children in a classroom enviorment is one of the most important training needs?

 

During their "training days" do driving instructors walk round the streets without their cars?

 

Education theory doesn't require children to be present. Teachers whilst training sit through endless lectures at university on child psychology and education theories etc and attend numerous seminars on education techniques.

 

A driving theory test doesn't require a car to be taught.

Edited 27 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[View From The Top]

The one thing I can't understand is if they are teaching children, why are there no children to teach at their "training days".Surely controling children in a classroom enviorment is one of the most important training needs?

 

During their "training days" do driving instructors walk round the streets without their cars?

 

We had two days of statutory child protection/vulnerable adults training. Could hardly do that with them all in could we? (It was beyond boring but necessary)

 

The follow up day (6 months later) was split over two 3hr twilight sessions so we didn't shut.

 

I would suggest that the fact that even Gove understands why they are used is evidence enough of the value attached to them.

[Lord Duckhunter]

We had two days of statutory child protection/vulnerable adults training. Could hardly do that with them all in could we? (It was beyond boring but necessary)

 

The follow up day (6 months later) was split over two 3hr twilight sessions so we didn't shut.

 

I would suggest that the fact that even Gove understands why they are used is evidence enough of the value attached to them.

 

This is a serious question; How much holiday do teachers get and couldn't these "training days" be used in those. Instead of pupils coming back from holidays a day late, couldn't teachers come back a day earlier and have their training days then?

 

I would think that about 5 weeks is the average holidays most people get nowadays. They get Xmas and half of July and all of August,surely they could be cut down slightly.

[View From The Top]

This is a serious question; How much holiday do teachers get and couldn't these "training days" be used in those. Instead of pupils coming back from holidays a day late, couldn't teachers come back a day earlier and have their training days then?

 

I would think that about 5 weeks is the average holidays most people get nowadays. They get Xmas and half of July and all of August,surely they could be cut down slightly.

 

The Baker Days were set by a tory government to recorgnised the need to constantly upskill the workforce. The fact that this tory government thinks they are still needed speaks volumes.

 

We are desperately struggling to recruit maths and science grads into the profession, I know as I also teach on a PGCE course at a local uni and the numbers are down again, and slashing the holidays would impact on that even further. We are on a dangerous path for our future economic position if this continues.

 

In addition, the holidays are for the kids. My two at school are knackered and need to recharge, which is why the holidays are still spread as they are.

 

Still, the long holidays give the rabid right something to moan about before they once again abdicate responsibility for their offspring in September.

[Thedelldays]

The Baker Days were set by a tory government to recorgnised the need to constantly upskill the workforce. The fact that this tory government thinks they are still needed speaks volumes.

 

We are desperately struggling to recruit maths and science grads into the profession, I know as I also teach on a PGCE course at a local uni and the numbers are down again, and slashing the holidays would impact on that even further. We are on a dangerous path for our future economic position if this continues.

 

In addition, the holidays are for the kids. My two at school are knackered and need to recharge, which is why the holidays are still spread as they are.

 

Still, the long holidays give the rabid right something to moan about before they once again abdicate responsibility for their offspring in September.

but cant the teachers come back a day early.......?

[View From The Top]

This is a serious question; How much holiday do teachers get and couldn't these "training days" be used in those.Instead of pupils coming back from holidays a day late, couldn't teachers come back a day earlier and have their training days then?

 

We are back a week before the students, my wife 3 days before.

[View From The Top]

but cant the teachers come back a day early.......?

 

I am, my missus is, so we do. How other places are run I can't comment on.

[Thedelldays]

I am, my missus is, so we do. How other places are run I can't comment on.

 

fair enough

[aintforever]

It is amazing that they cannot fit a training day into their massive holidays. Or maybe even, god forbid, at the weekend.

 

Just ingrained laziness IMO.

[Thedelldays]

It is amazing that they cannot fit a training day into their massive holidays. Or maybe even, god forbid, at the weekend.

 

Just ingrained laziness IMO.

again..have no idea what holidays teachers get...? I will assume for this sake they get 6 weeks a year (alot more than me)

 

if it is 6 weeks a year, that is amazing really...surely if the old baker days were used and their holiday was a mere 5 weeks a year that would be acceptable...or would many strike over it..????

[Lord Duckhunter]

But how much holiday do you get, is it over 5 weeks?

 

If so, maybe coming back one day earlier than you do at present, is not too much of a hardship.

[aintforever]

again..have no idea what holidays teachers get...? I will assume for this sake they get 6 weeks a year (alot more than me)

 

if it is 6 weeks a year, that is amazing really...surely if the old baker days were used and their holiday was a mere 5 weeks a year that would be acceptable...or would many strike over it..????

 

Isn't it 6 weeks at summer, two at Xmas, one at Easter plus 2 lots of half terms, plus the usual bank holidays?

[Thedelldays]

Isn't it 6 weeks at summer, two at Xmas, one at Easter plus 2 lots of half terms, plus the usual bank holidays?

 

serious question..what would be the reaction if their holidays were brought in line with everyone else...and all their training is done when the kids are off...?

[Gemmel]

I am not a teacher but my Mum was and she spent alot of her holidays marking or prepping for the next term / year.

When she got home on a school night she would always have a couple of hours work minimum, left to do.

[SuperMikey]

My Mum (a Primary school teacher) has just arrived home after attending a seminar at the University of Winchester on 'Expansive Learning'. It's not all fun and games...

 

And on the subject of holidays, if you saw how hard my Mum worked on her school planning during the 'holiday' that she has then you wouldn't call it a break from work at all. She probably gets about 1 week a year where she has no work to do during the holidays.

[bridge too far]

Once again, people making the erroneous assumption that teachers sit on their backsides during the holidays.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. Last week, my son-in-law got in from school at 6.30 (having been at the school at 7 am). He bathed his little son, ate his own dinner and then out came the laptop for two hours work before he went to bed. Last weekend, he had to miss out on a family occasion because he had reports to write.

 

I'm shattered after looking after my grandchildren for two days. So I think I understand how he must be after looking after a class of 30 for a week.

 

He'll have probably three weeks tops off this summer - one of which will be spent camping with his family.

[Thedelldays]

I am not a teacher but my Mum was and she spent alot of her holidays marking or prepping for the next term / year.

When she got home on a school night she would always have a couple of hours work minimum, left to do.

 

eeer, and...?

I have worked weeks (alongside) in excess of 80+ hours....part of the job

[Thedelldays]

Once again, people making the erroneous assumption that teachers sit on their backsides during the holidays.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. Last week, my son-in-law got in from school at 6.30 (having been at the school at 7 am). He bathed his little son, ate his own dinner and then out came the laptop for two hours work before he went to bed. Last weekend, he had to miss out on a family occasion because he had reports to write.

 

I'm shattered after looking after my grandchildren for two days. So I think I understand how he must be after looking after a class of 30 for a week.

 

He'll have probably three weeks tops off this summer - one of which will be spent camping with his family.

sorry, why on earth are you telling us about his children..

missing out on familiy occasions is part of the job you accept..or dont do it...trust me, in my world we miss out on the most

[bridge too far]

sorry, why on earth are you telling us about his children..

missing out on familiy occasions is part of them job you accept..or dont do it...trust me, in my world we miss out on the most

 

Sorry - why on earth are you being even thicker than usual?

[aintforever]

Once again, people making the erroneous assumption that teachers sit on their backsides during the holidays.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. Last week, my son-in-law got in from school at 6.30 (having been at the school at 7 am). He bathed his little son, ate his own dinner and then out came the laptop for two hours work before he went to bed. Last weekend, he had to miss out on a family occasion because he had reports to write.

 

I'm shattered after looking after my grandchildren for two days. So I think I understand how he must be after looking after a class of 30 for a week.

 

He'll have probably three weeks tops off this summer - one of which will be spent camping with his family.

 

Still no reason why training days couldn't take place during non-term days, there are plenty.

[Thedelldays]

Sorry - why on earth are you being even thicker than usual?

 

how am I being thick....why are you being insulting..?

[View From The Top]

13 glorious weeks holiday. Well not me as I work in FE/Adult Ed and it's different.

 

Feel free to be outraged that you have to look after your own kids in that time. Your opportunity to again abdicate responsibility will be around again soon.

[bridge too far]

Still no reason why training days couldn't take place during non-term days, there are plenty.

 

So, if you had to do some training to do with your job, you'd give up holiday to do so, would you?

[Gemmel]

eeer, and...?

I have worked weeks (alongside) in excess of 80+ hours....part of the job

 

Err and nothing, I was just trying to balance the debate with the fact they do alot of work outside school hours and actually during the holidays themselves.

You say you do excess of 80 hrs a week as it is part of the job.... Welll so is the 10 + weeks holiday for teachers - Part of their job.

[View From The Top]

Still no reason why training days couldn't take place during non-term days, there are plenty.

 

They. Are. Set. In. Law. By. The. Government.

 

The. Government. Say. They. Have. To. Be. In. Term. Time. Not. The. Schools. Or. The. Teachers.

[Thedelldays]

So, if you had to do some training to do with your job, you'd give up holiday to do so, would you?

 

eer. is this a serious question...?

I remember going 18 months (almost) with out a single days holiday...Op Fresco/Op Telic...

and regularly get called in off leave/holiday to work....

 

I am lucky enough however, to have been able to book a whole weeks holiday when I am off in 3 weeks time....trust me, that is lucky many dont

[SuperMikey]

They. Are. Set. In. Law. By. The. Government.

 

The. Government. Say. They. Have. To. Be. In. Term. Time. Not. The. Schools. Or. The. Teachers.

 

For an educator, your use of punctuation is awful!

[Thedelldays]

They. Are. Set. In. Law. By. The. Government.

 

The. Government. Say. They. Have. To. Be. In. Term. Time. Not. The. Schools. Or. The. Teachers.

the. point. being. made. is. maybe. it. should. be. changed. in. these. reforms.

[View From The Top]

Err and nothing, I was just trying to balance the debate with the fact they do alot of work outside school hours and actually during the holidays themselves.

You say you do excess of 80 hrs a week as it is part of the job.... Welll so is the 10 + weeks holiday for teachers - Part of their job.

 

No, no, no. It;s totally unfair that part of a job that you sign up for is better than someone else's part of a job that they signed up for.

 

I blame the unions.

[aintforever]

So, if you had to do some training to do with your job, you'd give up holiday to do so, would you?

 

I thought they worked during non-school days (marking etc), if they don't and get 10weeks+ holiday a year then yes, they should give up holiday to learn how to do their job.

 

My training at work doesn't effect my clients, I work around them.

[the stain]

All of the teachers I know spend much of their evenings, weekends and lots of their holidays planning, marking and creating resources. I honestly wouldn't want to do it.

[View From The Top]

the. point. being. made. is. maybe. it. should. be. changed. in. these. reforms.

 

And if Grove thought it necessary he would have.

 

I allow you to draw your own conclusions from the fact he hasn't.

[Thedelldays]

Err and nothing, I was just trying to balance the debate with the fact they do alot of work outside school hours and actually during the holidays themselves.

You say you do excess of 80 hrs a week as it is part of the job.... Welll so is the 10 + weeks holiday for teachers - Part of their job.

 

indeed..and we are talking about maybe in times of cuts getting value for money/more from less etc...that would it be possible for teacher leave to be brought in line with the norm....if it is not possible then...so be it..just asking the question

[bridge too far]

I thought they worked during non-school days (marking etc), if they don't and get 10weeks+ holiday a year then yes, they should give up holiday to learn how to do their job.

 

My raining at work doesn't effect my clients, I work around them.

 

So you're trained AT work, during working hours? QED

[LGTL]

The holidays are for the children. If there are no children to teach then what's the point of the teacher being there? What's the point of giving a teacher 4 weeks holiday and have them sitting in their classrooms planning and marking, when they could just plan and mark from home? I don't hear the uproar about those that work from home in other professions. If it was worked out, I expect many teachers probably get less then 4 weeks real holiday time a year anyway.

[View From The Top]

indeed..and we are talking about maybe in times of cuts getting value for money/more from less etc...that would it be possible for teacher leave to be brought in line with the norm....if it is not possible then...so be it..just asking the question

 

How many people do you think would go into teaching if they also lost the holidays?

 

The fact that we are going to offer £20k to maths and science grads with a 1st and £15k to those with a 2:1 just to train to be teachers should scream at the precipice we are on.

 

I'm the only maths grad' (from my course) who trained as a teacher still teaching and the lowest paid by a very long way. I stuck with it as it's a vocation but young people need the ££ and will follow it workwise and I don't blame them for it.

[aintforever]

So you're trained AT work, during working hours? QED

 

No such thing as "working hours" in what I do. I have to get projects completed or my company doesn't get paid and I'm out of a job.

 

My clients don't have to wait for anything because I'm training. Teachers' clients are their pupils, the service they receive shouldn't be effected by the teachers lack of training.

[View From The Top]

No such thing as "working hours" in what I do. I have to get projects completed or my company doesn't get paid and I'm out of a job.

 

My clients don't have to wait for anything because I'm training. Teachers' clients are their pupils, the service they receive shouldn't be effected by the teachers lack of training.

 

So the mandatory child protection/vulnerable adult training, that we were told we had to undergo by the Dept of Ed, is due to lack of training or new rules/legislation introduced by HMG?

 

The CEOPS training we've got next month, due to lack of training is it or making sure we can keep our charges safe and also educate the parents? Should we already know all that, what with being teachers 'n all?

[aintforever]

So the mandatory child protection/vulnerable adult training, that we were told we had to undergo by the Dept of Ed, is due to lack of training or new rules/legislation introduced by HMG?

 

The CEOPS training we've got next month, due to lack of training is it or making sure we can keep our charges safe and also educate the parents? Should we already know all that, what with being teachers 'n all?

 

Just do it when the kids are off, it's not rocket science.

[View From The Top]

Just do it when the kids are off, it's not rocket science.

 

Ummmmm. Dates set by the Dept of Ed. Suggest you have a word with Gove.

[Bollards]

I don't post often as you can tell, however...

 

I'm having a look on here in a quick break before I go to a Drama evening, supporting my schools students, and will be home at 8.30-9 after getting at 7.30 this morning.

 

I don't brag about how hard I work, (I know others who work longer, both teachers and not) nor do I glory in how great the holidays are. To echo the previous poster, good holidays are part of the job. If you want me to work an extra 3, 4 , 5 (or whatever) weeks a year then 'll want paying for them, but my biggest concern about this approach is that there is enough of a problem recruiting decent teachers now. (Another part of my job as an Assistant Head.)

 

If the perk of decent holidays goes, I think we'll be creating an even bigger problem to be honest.

 

As I've said many times before, if the holidays are so great why are there not more applicants when I advertise a maths post??

 

I think I know the reasons for that one. And it's not just that, like the poster above, having graduated 17 years ago, everyone I know from my Maths degree earns consideriably more than me. (And I'm not complaining about my own salary.)

[aintforever]

Ummmmm. Dates set by the Dept of Ed. Suggest you have a word with Gove.

 

Do it as homework then, you c*nts love homework.

[View From The Top]

Do it as homework then, you c*nts love homework.

 

Bless.

[Gemmel]

Bloody Hell Bollards, this might be "The Lounge", but who do you think are coming out with sensible, reasoned and balanced posts like that?

 

The mods will be all over you like a rash.