hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Stop cooking second rate stewards and it'll have a significant impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Stop cooking second rate stewards and it'll have a significant impact. you wouldn't be so insulting about my stew if you had tasted it! Feking gorgeous so it was. And some left over for tonight, always even better after a day in the fridge. Might have some pasta with it tonight. Guess you going to get on me case about that too, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Stop cooking second rate stewards and it'll have a significant impact. Are those Pompey stewards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Are those Pompey stewards? Funny you should say that as those binmen who came round today was from Fareham! And they call us SCUM! Time to clarify who has the real scab workforce perhaps? 1976, I is of course joshing you, any meal made from raw ingredients is to be appladed. Well done for at lleast having a go mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Funny you should say that as those binmen who came round today was from Fareham! And they call us SCUM! Time to clarify who has the real scab workforce perhaps? 1976, I is of course joshing you, any meal made from raw ingredients is to be appladed. Well done for at lleast having a go mate. Hamster - you come across as being relatively sensible when it comes to all things Saints, however all this "scab" stuff does you no credit. It's typical "unionised" behaviour, which betrays all the things that Unions are actually good for..... If someone is NOT in the Union (their free choice, I'm sure you'll agree) - then why SHOULD they strike? Why SHOULD they stop doing their own jobs, because the Union says they should? The Unions stand up to protect their members from "bullying" by the management of their particular sector - agree? By labelling people who do not strike as "scabs" - you are being the worst of the bullies in the workplace - just because someone doesn't agree with your own views... What a shame for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Hamster - you come across as being relatively sensible when it comes to all things Saints, however all this "scab" stuff does you no credit. It's typical "unionised" behaviour, which betrays all the things that Unions are actually good for..... If someone is NOT in the Union (their free choice, I'm sure you'll agree) - then why SHOULD they strike? Why SHOULD they stop doing their own jobs, because the Union says they should? The Unions stand up to protect their members from "bullying" by the management of their particular sector - agree? By labelling people who do not strike as "scabs" - you are being the worst of the bullies in the workplace - just because someone doesn't agree with your own views... What a shame for you. Or on the flip side you can see that people crossing pickets (often agency workers trying to make ends meet of course) are undermining the action taken by others to improve the lot of everyone. Now i do feel for agency workers as they're the most heavily exploited of the lot, if they choose to protest they simply lose their jobs, but then if the strikes aren't successful that's going to be the case for a hell of a lot of the poorest of council workers. The counter argument here is normally about how good private is, but personally i think giving in to the toffs/bosses undermines society as a whole and is often based on a lie anyway, since at the end of the day it's all of us (bar the very rich) that suffer. Then again i suppose you don't mind the people at the top bullying those at the bottom and don't see the damage those crossing pickets does, what a shame for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Mornington, point taken. More emotive topic for someone of my background perhaps, I honestly do say a lot of provocative stuff very tic, taking those two facts into account I hope no one takes too much offence. I thru not to take offence when prop/e use the pikey word on derogatory terms as Mrs h is a pikey, same for the skate word as my brother is a skate. I believe that people take offence not necessarily give it, there's a la4get elwment of choice in these things. I only wish I was more articulate and educated sometimes but then I would not hold the same deeprooted views. Totally agree with peoples choices, of course I do, its a moot point. I could even take offence at you calling me a bully, you bully. ;-) xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Or on the flip side you can see that people crossing pickets (often agency workers trying to make ends meet of course) are undermining the action taken by others to improve the lot of everyone. Now i do feel for agency workers as they're the most heavily exploited of the lot, if they choose to protest they simply lose their jobs, but then if the strikes aren't successful that's going to be the case for a hell of a lot of the poorest of council workers. The counter argument here is normally about how good private is, but personally i think giving in to the toffs/bosses undermines society as a whole and is often based on a lie anyway, since at the end of the day it's all of us (bar the very rich) that suffer. Then again i suppose you don't mind the people at the top bullying those at the bottom and don't see the damage those crossing pickets does, what a shame for you. You may notice I didn't make any reference to whether the person NOT striking would be agency, foreign, private etc... purely pointing out that personal choice of being a part of Union action or not should not result in the kind of bullying that the Union principle is keen to eliminate in the workplace. Bullying at ANY level is deplorable and damaging - but then most of the world's strife is caused by people holding their own views dear, whilst never being able to recognise that others see things differently. I'm not attempting to make a political point - just that people on ALL sides should take more time over understanding others and not resort to the derogatory language common in these situations like "scab" ..... just because holds a differing view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I accept that I use the word as a derogatory term and won't repeat it again to avoid offending. My views on the domino effect on society remain that it is counter productive to the working classes to communities but people are free to put their own needs first. Hope I'm not compromising my values too much there? Are we still friends Mornington? That is important to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningtonCrescent Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I accept that I use the word as a derogatory term and won't repeat it again to avoid offending. My views on the domino effect on society remain that it is counter productive to the working classes to communities but people are free to put their own needs first. Hope I'm not compromising my values too much there? Are we still friends Mornington? That is important to me too. It takes a lot more than a gentle discussion on an internet forum for me to fall out with ANYONE. I've known plenty of people in both public and private companies who have had to give up pay/benefits in order for their employer to remain viable.... unfortunately that's where we are as a country at present - and others across Europe and the ROW are in an even worse state. Where money just won't stretch to keep everyone gainfully employed, there is sometimes a difficult decision to be made - and always someone else who is genuinely looking for work who would be prepared to accept a "reduced" package just to get their foot in the door.... I've never believed that "withdrawing labour" leads to a positive or productive outcome in the mid/long term. Just my personal view. Keep working, accept that we are living through some exceptional times - and get on with the job in hand. Also, it staggers me that people can't be just a little more responsible for their own waste during times like this! It's incredible that people can be the source of the littering and rubbish piles - and then point fingers at others for the mess! Anyway - my last post today. I don't usually get drawn into these things as most people have entrenched views and are not prepared to see reason from another perspective. Lets hope the coming football season gives us plenty of joy and unity - then we won't feel the need to discuss other things quite so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Hamster - you come across as being relatively sensible when it comes to all things Saints, however all this "scab" stuff does you no credit. It's typical "unionised" behaviour, which betrays all the things that Unions are actually good for..... If someone is NOT in the Union (their free choice, I'm sure you'll agree) - then why SHOULD they strike? Why SHOULD they stop doing their own jobs, because the Union says they should? The Unions stand up to protect their members from "bullying" by the management of their particular sector - agree? By labelling people who do not strike as "scabs" - you are being the worst of the bullies in the workplace - just because someone doesn't agree with your own views... What a shame for you. So, if it's alright for non members to not strike, and it is legally (not my point), then in the same context, because they are NOT members, they'll not take advantage of any wages or conditions negotiated by the Union and will, of course, defend themselves rather than turning to the Union of which they are not members, should they have an accident or transgress some company rule? Somehow I don't think so. I've never seen a shop steward turn away from helping a non union member but I know of several stewards who were told that the members would not support the non union member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 ESB, I was a union rep and took a lot of flak for helping non members, I would have stood down rather than not put my knowledge and negotiating skills to the good of all. I even acted as advisor to other companies during times of change on TUPE matters but did that in my own time, they were getting totally shatter. My favourite little known of t & c in anyone's contract us that if 'custom and practice'. It's a gem. My downfall in the end was no support in +y own disciplinary case. A full time rep who you may know well from your time at Swaythling Hung me out to dry. Not strictly above board, but I somehow uncovered that he was having private cosy meetings with BAA's MD at The Moody Fig. When I enquired about these it sounded my death nell. I did learn not to trust anyone at their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 ESB, I was a union rep and took a lot of flak for helping non members, I would have stood down rather than not put my knowledge and negotiating skills to the good of all. I even acted as advisor to other companies during times of change on TUPE matters but did that in my own time, they were getting totally shatter. My favourite little known of t & c in anyone's contract us that if 'custom and practice'. It's a gem. My downfall in the end was no support in +y own disciplinary case. A full time rep who you may know well from your time at Swaythling Hung me out to dry. Not strictly above board, but I somehow uncovered that he was having private cosy meetings with BAA's MD at The Moody Fig. When I enquired about these it sounded my death nell. I did learn not to trust anyone at their word. ffs mate, use the spellchecker on your iphone This makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 ffs mate, use the spellchecker on your iphone This makes no sense at all. He'll have to do more than that - eg Moody/mouldy wont come up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 He'll have to do more than that - eg Moody/mouldy wont come up! True Jonny. And its Moldy, I go there every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 True Jonny. And its Moldy, I go there every week. that's a weird way to spell it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 Funny you should say that as those binmen who came round today was from Fareham! And they call us SCUM! Time to clarify who has the real scab workforce perhaps? 1976, I is of course joshing you, any meal made from raw ingredients is to be appladed. Well done for at lleast having a go mate. You lucky, lucky bar-steward, Rodent. They didnt come round the corner to me ol' dears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 July, 2011 Share Posted 17 July, 2011 I'm illegitimate, stop bullying me or ill get my mate Mornington to duff you up. I don't have an iPhone any more hth. Re-read my post and there are only a couple of errors, ESB will know what I was trying to say anyway, you others are insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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