Bin collections

[Block 18]

if the council out sourced they would be breaking the law

 

Please explain how.

As I see the council are in breach of contract with the public, we pay a proportion of our council tax to have our waste removed. They have failed in this for the last 6 week owing to industrial action. the only way i can see for them to honour their agreement with the public is to get in contractors

[SO16_Saint]

Please explain how.

As I see the council are in breach of contract with the public, we pay a proportion of our council tax to have our waste removed. They have failed in this for the last 6 week owing to industrial action. the only way i can see for them to honour their agreement with the public is to get in contractors

 

from what I understand - Im no legal expert - if someone is on strike, you are not allowed to get contractors in to do the same job as the strikees (is that a word?).

[Wade Garrett]

Heres my tip to the bin men which I am doing this year, and if I make it through to the next (fragile private sector industry):

 

Dont take any holiday, save it as 'insurance'... so that when this silly crusdae fails you have a months salary/holiday pay to fall back on, as you are entitled to this money if you are dismissed, made redundant or your company goes into voluntary administration.

 

This is my strategy, in case the company I work for collapses, to give me some breathing space.

 

I guess if you are currently a striking bin man, your prosects must be pretty grim and you wouldnt stand a chance against the current competition and could be facing years on the 'rock and roll'.

 

But still, good luck with the campaign of pricing yourself out of the job!

 

I work in the private sector, and for a long time it thrived and my pay and conditions improved year on year, as I'm sure yours and others did. You conveniently forget that during this time, the binmen and other public sector workers were way behind us. Now we're all in the sh*tcart a little bit we get people in the private sector whingeing and moaning about people who have been doing a job for many years that a lot of us wouldn't do.

 

The binmen will probably be better off on the dole than accepting the current deal on the table.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I work in the private sector, and for a long time it thrived and my pay and conditions improved year on year, as I'm sure yours and others did. You conveniently forget that during this time, the binmen and other public sector workers were way behind us. Now we're all in the sh*tcart a little bit we get people in the private sector whingeing and moaning about people who have been doing a job for many years that a lot of us wouldn't do.

 

The binmen will probably be better off on the dole than accepting the current deal on the table.

 

If they lose their jobs involuntarily then they should be able to claim Jobseekers Allowance, those who pay rent will also be able to claim Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, obviously dependant on whether their spouse is working and how many children/dependants they have. Their working Families Tax Credit will cease but Child Tax Credit will kick in instead.

 

As to whether they would be better off can only be assessed on an individual basis?

 

I'm not sure if the Housing/Tax Benefits come from Central Govt or are from within the council's budget?

 

So it's hard to call, the Council may well save money on jobs but may lose out on income from Rent/Council Tax?

 

It's possible that some employees will have already done the maths and decided what is viable for their own circumstances and may well be waiting to be pushed?

 

The problem could come in providing the service because the manning levels are too low? I'd suspect that there's a few big companies out there who will be preparing tenders for out sourcing contracts.

[mack rill]

I'm very surprised that the bins haven't been outsourced. Must be one of the few places in the UK.

 

Down to cost, Saints city council are trying to save money to wast in other places(Joly's with the frogs, Titanic museums,and none accentual jaunts)

Much, much better to have your own council workforce, and fleet of ash carts,

Remember the city council are NOT trying to make a fast profit, Privet firms are and will cut every corner passable to do it,

[Jonnyboy]

Bins still full at my place. Bah.

[Special K]

Mine were emptied on friday last week. and they took the recycling too. Good lads. Spoke to them and they were quite suprised that our road hadn't had a visit from the cart for over 5 weeks. Still, the wheelie bin pens like a pompey tarts fanoir the morning after giving it 6 nowt on the dancefloor, so it's not all good.

[hamster]

More people claiming benefits and tax credits is false economy and is merely robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

I'm well aware of how a local economy/community can have its heart torn apart by similar policies that affected my home town's loss of coal mines and the relocation of 5he Royal Marines School of Music a few years back. It's not how a civilsed society should function.

 

It has taken ages for the scars to heal but I shall neither forgive nor forget.

 

Politics aside you can't get more 'working class' than your bin man and for people to denegrate them in this way is, in my non humble opinion, shocking and distasteful.

[hamster]

More people claiming benefits and tax credits is false economy and is merely robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

I'm well aware of how a local economy/community can have its heart torn apart by similar policies that affected my home town's loss of coal mines and the relocation of 5he Royal Marines School of Music a few years back. It's not how a civilsed society should function.

 

It has taken ages for the scars to heal but I shall neither forgive nor forget.

 

Politics aside you can't get more 'working class' than your bin man and for people to denegrate them in this way is, in my non humble opinion, shocking and distasteful.

[View From The Top]

Down to cost, Saints city council are trying to save money to wast in other places(Joly's with the frogs, Titanic museums,and none accentual jaunts)

Much, much better to have your own council workforce, and fleet of ash carts,

Remember the city council are NOT trying to make a fast profit, Privet firms are and will cut every corner passable to do it,

 

I appreciate that Mack, just where I live it's been out sourced since God was a child.

[SO16_Saint]

Some scrote ****s have decided to put 3 mattresses in the middle of the green by Sandpiper Road with all the roads wheelie bins.

 

I can understand the bins, but the mattresses ffs?

[aintforever]

I like the overflowing bins, adds character. Driving through Shirley this morning was like a scene from 28 weeks later.

[The Cat]

I like the overflowing bins, adds character. Driving through Shirley this morning was like a scene from 28 weeks later.

 

Thought the same when I went into town yesterday for the first time in weeks. My 2 year old was enjoying booting empty drink cans around Above Bar, I think he'll be disappointed once it's all cleaned up.

[alpine_saint]

When the government stop taking the **** out of them.

 

A Tory coalition one year in;

 

 

Yep, paid more than private sector and gold-plated pension schemes.

 

What a p*ss-take. B*stard government...

[Julian H. Cope]

I did not have my bins emptied for nearly 5 weeks, they were full to the brim. Now two weeks later they are both less than half full. How much money can be saved with fortnightly collections? Seems like a no brainer to me.

[OldNick]

walked through Southampton high street and was embarrassed to see the streets littered with bottles cans and takeaway boxes.

If society perhaps were more vigilant with their rubbish we might need less binmen. I know there is a strike but there are emergency bins provided to take the mess.

How the passengers from one of the worlds most exclusive liners made of the state of our city when the ship docked this week. We have friends from Russia visiting and they were shocked how bad it was.Not good publicity for our city.

I licve away from Southampton but my understanding is that the council have asked for a 5% pay cut to stop redundancies, is that correct\?

[solentstars]

More people claiming benefits and tax credits is false economy and is merely robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

I'm well aware of how a local economy/community can have its heart torn apart by similar policies that affected my home town's loss of coal mines and the relocation of 5he Royal Marines School of Music a few years back. It's not how a civilsed society should function.

 

It has taken ages for the scars to heal but I shall neither forgive nor forget.

 

Politics aside you can't get more 'working class' than your bin man and for people to denegrate them in this way is, in my non humble opinion, shocking and distasteful.

i agree allways thought they did a good job but modern society would rather working class people were treated like dirt and should know their place while the non productive sector like pen pushers and media people who the council employ are left untouched.

Edited 8 July, 2011 by solentstars

[Special K]

i agree allways thought they did a good job but modern society would rather working class people were treated like dirt and should know their place while the non productive sector like pen pushers and media people are left untouched.[/QUOTE]

 

Don't say that, Verbal will get very upset.

[OldNick]

 

Politics aside you can't get more 'working class' than your bin man and for people to denegrate them in this way is, in my non humble opinion, shocking and distasteful.

Hamster behave, all this class stuff is a nonsense and its time people stopped holding onto the working class stuff.

The bin man when i was a kid was looked at as being for the underachievers at school and in a way looked on with a bit of mirth. In those days they would have to walk to your back garden lift up a metal dustbin , full of rotten food etc, rarely cleaned out. Then they would struggle with 1 or 2 of those , empty them out and then carry them back to the back garden.

Now we roll them out on wheels while the dustcart leisurely drives door to door for the men to wheel them to the lifter that mechanically lifts and pours the sorted contents into the rear. The bin then is rolled back to the gate. It is not a job that only the school underachievers want anymore. It is a fairly well rewarded job and apparently not long hours, and at christmas we always generously reward them again with tax free tips.

It is a very important job, there is no doubt about that.

[Dimond Geezer]

Now we roll them out on wheels while the dustcart leisurely drives door to door for the men to wheel them to the lifter that mechanically lifts and pours the sorted contents into the rear. The bin then is rolled back to the gate. It is not a job that only the school underachievers want anymore. It is a fairly well rewarded job and apparently not long hours, and at christmas we always generously reward them again with tax free tips.

 

I don't do the bit in bold because of the bit in red.

[solentstars]

i agree allways thought they did a good job but modern society would rather working class people were treated like dirt and should know their place while the non productive sector like pen pushers and media people are left untouched.[/QUOTE]

 

Don't say that, Verbal will get very upset.

he he

[OldNick]

I don't do the bit in bold because of the bit in red.

Lol, I might thing twice about it now. Although in Salisbury they are behaving themselves

[Jonnyboy]

Hamster behave, all this class stuff is a nonsense and its time people stopped holding onto the working class stuff.

The bin man when i was a kid was looked at as being for the underachievers at school and in a way looked on with a bit of mirth. In those days they would have to walk to your back garden lift up a metal dustbin , full of rotten food etc, rarely cleaned out. Then they would struggle with 1 or 2 of those , empty them out and then carry them back to the back garden.

Now we roll them out on wheels while the dustcart leisurely drives door to door for the men to wheel them to the lifter that mechanically lifts and pours the sorted contents into the rear. The bin then is rolled back to the gate. It is not a job that only the school underachievers want anymore. It is a fairly well rewarded job and apparently not long hours, and at christmas we always generously reward them again with tax free tips.

It is a very important job, there is no doubt about that.

 

Id imagine, that like with all of these mechanical advances, the time saved has resulted in less people being employed and those that are, expected to do more streets per day??

[Verbal]

Doesn't look like this dispute is going to end any time soon. The council has just been caught secretly planning to sack up to a quarter of its staff.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9737651

[hamster]

Just drove home through Chilworth and the paths are littered with overturned bins, this is simply not on....Chilworth!

 

One problem with many who deny our class system is that they don't like to the implication that in said system they are mere working class minions. Sometimes in life we have to stand together. Just these few local servants have demonstrated how we can make our voices heard. I'm afraid that those who think its just about the money are very much mistaken, its about heart and soul....and backbone.

 

Sure, people may say they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces, but at least they will in the future be able to look any man in the eye proudly. It's NOT the money its the principle you can't buy principles.

 

And why do some seem obsessed with the idea that everyone else has it easier than they do and/or be grateful? Madness.

[Big John]

massive LOL..

 

far too many lol bits to highlight....read on...

 

 

 

 

Waste and Recycling Manager - 134482

Waste and Fleet Transport

Grade 12

£37,862 - £47,636

Permanent

37 hours per week

This high profile and hugely challenging role seeks to build on the success of our multi-award winning services.

Working with an enthusiastic team, committed to delivering first class waste and recycling services to every one of our customers, you will be responsible for managing the city’s waste services and our ambitious service transformation agenda.

An experienced practitioner, you’ll combine successful senior-level experience with inspirational leadership skills across a diverse mix of teams.

Your proven financial management skills, complemented with exceptional communication and negotiating skills will ensure that our customers are at the heart of everything we do.

Finally, your well developed sense of fun, natural enthusiasm, and a ‘one team’ ethos will make you a ‘natural’ for the role.

Contact details for information discussion: Informal enquiries are welcomed by Andrew Trayer (Head of Waste and Fleet Transport) on 023 8083 4334 or email: andrew.trayer@southampton.gov.uk

Closing Date: 22 Jul 2011

[Minty]

That will be one hell of a job in the wake of current events. Anyone going for that should be under no illusions about the task at hand... the one saving grace will be that you're not the one directly responsible FOR the cuts, but you have to go in and maintain a service taking them into account, probably with further efficiency savings expected.

 

Good luck to any prospective candidate!

[Dimond Geezer]

Just drove home through Chilworth and the paths are littered with overturned bins, this is simply not on....Chilworth!

 

 

I saw that also, but overturned bins are not the fault of striking bin men or the Councilors, but the toe-rags who walked down the road pushing over the bins as they went past.

[SO16_Saint]

The council, or private contractors, have aken away the growing mountain of cr@p from Sandpiper Road now.

 

Just the bins to empty now.

 

The flies around and about at the moment is mad!

[hamster]

Shame on me, yesterday I drive past some outsourced chaps working in Sholing, impulsively I called them 'scabs'.

 

If, as I have been informed, it is true that these gangs are from our Polish community then I would be shocked at their lack of respect for their (and mine) great, granparents and parents who lived through 'solidarity' (lol) and Lech Walensa's achievements. They'd be turning in their graves. But it may not be true so I shall reserve judgement. Scabs either way.

[SO16_Saint]

the council / government should employ the services of those residing at her Maj's pleasure to clear our streets of the cr@p.

 

And any other menial tasks that need doing around the country.

 

scabs!

[Weston Saint]

Had my bin emptied at last this morning. Private contracted by Council. Polish workers. They could not be more polite and helpful. Permanent Outsourcing may be the answer if the workers continue to strike.

 

I can understand the council workers frustration. Not nice when inflation continues and wages are cut but this was about saving jobs within the budget constraints. If the Union are going to take the Council to court then the workers should return until it is resolved.

[holepuncture]

Had my bin emptied at last this morning. Private contracted by Council. Polish workers. They could not be more polite and helpful. Permanent Outsourcing may be the answer if the workers continue to strike.

 

I can understand the council workers frustration. Not nice when inflation continues and wages are cut but this was about saving jobs within the budget constraints. If the Union are going to take the Council to court then the workers should return until it is resolved.

 

As sad as it is for the Brit Bin men, this is totally predictable. So they want to strike to protect their best interests et al, but they overlook the hundreds and hundreds queuing up to replace them. What is also not surprising in the slightest, is that the Poles will (like most low skilled labour) do a better job, work harder, for a lot less money... this is going to make the regular bin men look silly...

[SO16_Saint]

Haven't had ours collected since starting the thread and think it was 4/5 weeks before that

[Saint in Paradise]

Over here our citys rubbish tip allows people to take their own rubbish to the tip if they

want to. Of course we have a weekly collection by bin men but can't you all take your rubbish

to Southamptons tip ?

 

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[hamster]

The 'polish' are no less 'skilled' than us Brits, we just won't tolrate the idea if letting work in their preferred trade, God forbid they might get some crazy idea that they are our equals. Best keep them in their place eh? Are they the latest equivalent to the west Indian's who were only fit to drive our post-war buses?

 

Its not OUR country for crying out loud, its a simple case of accident of birth.

[1976_Child]

When the government stop taking the **** out of them.

 

A Tory coalition one year in;

 

 

And the thing which is terrible is the pay cut? I agree, no one wants a 5% pay cut especially when inflation is running at 5% but just look at that photo. The amount of crap we throw away on a weekly basis should be the real news here. We live in a resource constrained world yet we are devouring the world's resource base as if there was no tomorrow. Just look at all that crap!! It is truly disgusting. And 90+% of that is coming directly from oil, the production of which has peaked. What nob-heads we are. This is just not sustainable.

[hamster]

Anyone walked through Shirley yesterday? The bins in the precinct have been emptied, however, the amount of litter strewn about would make you think otherwise. Nearly all it proletarian could and should have taken home, no excuses. A #irty filthy minority, its embarrassing ...

[Thedelldays]

My mum and her friends have been taking it in turns to take their rubbish to the tip.

 

So why can't many other people...?

[solentstars]

My mum and her friends have been taking it in turns to take their rubbish to the tip.

 

So why can't many other people...?

 

Agree to many people are to lazy to get of their fat backsides.

 

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[dingbattigger]

Mrs D here. Our bins have been emptied every week so apart from a shoppimg trip in town I've no idea how bad it is/has been. I do, however know what the job is like, Mr D worked on the bins for a while. Yes it's easier with bins wheeled out to the road etc but it's still hard physical graft that has to be done regardless of the weather. Not sure where I stand on the pay cut, I haven't had a pay rise for 5 years so with inflation that's basically a pay cut every year. At the end of the day I still have a job where the hours suit my lifestyle, if they didn't I'd find something else.

 

I don't blame the government, it's the mess we got into over the years, whoever had got in would have had to cut things. My problem is with those lazy bar stewards who can't take their rubbish home, cigarette butts fast food containers drink cans etc, and make a trip to the dump every now and again

[solentstars]

Mrs D here. Our bins have been emptied every week so apart from a shoppimg trip in town I've no idea how bad it is/has been. I do, however know what the job is like, Mr D worked on the bins for a while. Yes it's easier with bins wheeled out to the road etc but it's still hard physical graft that has to be done regardless of the weather. Not sure where I stand on the pay cut, I haven't had a pay rise for 5 years so with inflation that's basically a pay cut every year. At the end of the day I still have a job where the hours suit my lifestyle, if they didn't I'd find something else.

 

I don't blame the government, it's the mess we got into over the years, whoever had got in would have had to cut things. My problem is with those lazy bar stewards who can't take their rubbish home, cigarette butts fast food containers drink cans etc, and make a trip to the dump every now and again

 

Good post I expect those lazy bar stewards are the same moaners who want binmen sacked or on lower wages or poles who work for nothing.

 

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[LGTL]

If I was affected, which i'm not as i'm under New Forest District Council, i'd be taking my rubbish up the dump myself. I know I shouldn't have to as that's what council tax is for etc etc, but sometimes people need to look after themselves and get up off their arse and do something. There is no way my house would be looking like some of the tips in Southampton do. It's just a bit lazy really.

[hamster]

Strangely, the scab workers are outside my house right now. Told them to get off my property the renegade ****ers, back on benefits and agency work next week with a nice wedge courtesy of me and you.

 

 

Tactics of a council who I shall never vote.for ever again. Might pop downn the art gallery and have a gander at that Lowry next week!

Edited 17 July, 2011 by hamster

[Jonnyboy]

And the thing which is terrible is the pay cut? I agree, no one wants a 5% pay cut especially when inflation is running at 5% but just look at that photo. The amount of crap we throw away on a weekly basis should be the real news here. We live in a resource constrained world yet we are devouring the world's resource base as if there was no tomorrow. Just look at all that crap!! It is truly disgusting. And 90+% of that is coming directly from oil, the production of which has peaked. What nob-heads we are. This is just not sustainable.

 

you'd better have smaller stews to start with

[Jonnyboy]

Agree to many people are to lazy to get of their fat backsides.

 

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Many are too lazy to learn to spell as well (sent from my PC whilst sat on my backside)

[dingbattigger]

Many are too lazy to learn to spell as well (sent from my PC whilst sat on my backside)

 

 

I lol'd

[1976_Child]

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[1976_Child]

you'd better have smaller stews to start with

 

funny you should mention that, but at least I eat every last drop of the food I cook!

 

Did you know that fully one third of all food bought in Britain ends up being wasted and chucked out? One third!!! A combination of the 'best before date' culture promoted by supermarkets and the population's general lack of culinary skills meaning left-overs are just chucked rather than used up in other dishes. I bet you there is enough bread in that pile of rubbish in the photo to feed a family for a year.

[Jonnyboy]

funny you should mention that, but at least I eat every last drop of the food I cook!

 

Did you know that fully one third of all food bought in Britain ends up being wasted and chucked out? One third!!! A combination of the 'best before date' culture promoted by supermarkets and the population's general lack of culinary skills meaning left-overs are just chucked rather than used up in other dishes. I bet you there is enough bread in that pile of rubbish in the photo to feed a family for a year.

 

I can believe it, wish my other half got as angry about it as I do. Waste of money too