revolution saint Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 Less than a week to go now and should be a great fight. Predictions anyone? I find this a really tough one to predict a winner and as it's in Germany Haye really won't want it to go to the cards. I'm switching between the two of them but one thing stands out for me and that's Haye's trainer, Adam Booth. The guy seems to consistently pick the right strategy for any boxer and could be the difference. The heavyweight division certainly needs a Haye win though - I'm tired of seeing fat, bloated, over blown lumps hugging each other from round 4 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 I'd love to see Haye win, but if he does it'd going to have to be early. The longer it goes on the longer i can see Klitchko keeping him off with his jab, Haye getting frustrated and opening up and kitchko picking him off. Think it's going to be the fight of the year and hoping for a Haye win, but my money is on Klichko in the 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 Haye will win, you're absolutely spot on about his trainer. It'll be like the Valuev fight, but with a knockdown (and no broken hand) - Haye in the 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 I would love to see Haye win but my head says klitchko will. He's a different fighter to Valuev, more mobile. I reckon the fight has the potential to be a classic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 Klitchko to win by KO in the 7th. If it's half as good as Macklin v. Sturm last night I'll be well pleased, brilliant fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 Can't wait for this. One of those fights in which anything could happen. Haye will have to be careful if he's planning to box in a similar way to the Valuev fight because he could easily get shafted by the judges like Macklin was against Felix Sturm last night. I'd ****ing love to see Haye ko Wlad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 Anyone know of any pubs / casinos showing the fight in Southampton or Winchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 26 June, 2011 Share Posted 26 June, 2011 We get this on HBO at no extra cost which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I think it is a massive fight and will tell us more about Wlad then it will about Haye. To even get the fight Haye had to agree to quite a lot of demands from Wlad. Wlad got to choose the country, the venue which means there will be 40,000 Wlad fans vs 10,000 Haye fans, Wlad really is on homesoil. He demanded that he be seen as the main man when doing the tv work/advertising. He demanded to come to the ring 2nd, chose the corners, chose the hotels, chose the gloves, chose the date of the fight, chose the referee and insisted on having his own personal doctor as the fight doctor (in other words the doc won't be calling it off even if he has his eye hanging out), and wanted a 50-50 split even though he brings little cash to the table due to the ppv laws in Germany, meaning he is getting his cash off of the back of Hayes popularity in UK and US. And so on. If Haye demanded those things the fight would not happen. So i got big respect for Haye for agreeing to those demands as quite frankly they seem designed to make sure the fight does not happen. But because it is it means everything is set up for Wlad to win. If he loses he will be shown to be a fraud. All the talk about the brothers picking bums so they can keep the belts and pick up easy pay cheques will be true. The heavy weight division is in a poor state and Wlad and Vitali are a large part to blame for that. If you go back a few years you had people like Lennox and Tyson who fought the best out there. If Wlad is as good as he makes out then he should have no problems with Haye. He is a cruiserweight not a heavyweight. It really is a hard fight to call and can go in so many different way's. If Haye can keep cool and not let the crowd and the occasion get to him then he has a great chance. But he has to do what others have done and put him under pressure early on. When Wlad get's hit hard he goes into panic mode. His hands and arms are all over the place. if Haye get's him with one of those bombs then it is game over. But the longer the fight goes on the more it will drain Haye. Wlad is a big guy and he put's his weight onto people a lot to try and tire them out. If haye get's caught up in to many "jab, jab, grab"s then he will get knackered. You take away Haye's stamina and you take away his speed and power and then he becomes a sitting duck. I really hope Haye wins not because of the whole British thing but because he has brought some excitement to a division that has become so boring. The fans deserve something better then what the Klitchskos have been giving. If the proper Haye turns up and is not phased by anything then i can see him knocking Wlad out in the 8th or 9th round. If a nervous Haye turns up then i can see him getting knocked out early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I like Haye. Excellent boxer, smart, articulate, not running from anyone.... I very much hope he wins..and it seems he will have to KO vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 I like Haye. Excellent boxer, smart, articulate, not running from anyone.... I very much hope he wins..and it seems he will have to KO vlad Not running from anyone but happy to take fights with Audley Harrison and John Ruiz. Haye has a lot more to prove than Klitschko does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 Not running from anyone but happy to take fights with Audley Harrison and John Ruiz. Haye has a lot more to prove than Klitschko does. At heavyweight yes, but remember Haye has already cleaned up the cruiserweight division which is his natural fighting weight. Also Wlad's opponents have mainly been terrible. Maybe not his fault and due to the heavyweight division being in dire times, but I look at the names on his record and think Haye would have beaten all of them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 haye win in the 3rd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 If Wlad is as good as he makes out then he should have no problems with Haye. He is a cruiserweight not a heavyweight. You could probably argue that Tyson was a Cruiserweight too. He was 15st 2lb at his lightest, although did get up to just under 17st on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 As it's in Germany what's the expected start time. I guess about 11ish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 27 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 27 June, 2011 You could probably argue that Tyson was a Cruiserweight too. He was 15st 2lb at his lightest, although did get up to just under 17st on occasion. I think this why most boxing fans want Haye to win - because it might lead the way for lighter, more mobile and more exciting boxers in the heavyweight division. I don't have the facts to hand but what weights did Ali, Foreman and Frazier fight at? I suspect it was probably around the 15/16 stone mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 June, 2011 Share Posted 27 June, 2011 As it's in Germany what's the expected start time. I guess about 11ish? I think it's 10pm. Normally is in Germany. PPV starts at 8pm but the undercard isn't all that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 'Because he's clearly a dickhead.' I think Haye's definitely got under Klitschko's skin a bit. You could tell part of Klitschko was trying to play it cool but the other half wanted to jump across the table and lump him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 At heavyweight yes, but remember Haye has already cleaned up the cruiserweight division which is his natural fighting weight. Also Wlad's opponents have mainly been terrible. Maybe not his fault and due to the heavyweight division being in dire times, but I look at the names on his record and think Haye would have beaten all of them too. No doubt Haye is a great cruiserweight. I'm not disputing that. That said, it's a pretty poor division too with most fighters preferring the more competitive light heavyweight and super middleweight divisions or having a crack at the Klitschko's in the HW division. Wlad is a good fighter. Yes, his opponents have mainly been useless but he still has class and a good punch on him. It's fair to say Wlad wont have been in a ring before with someone as quick as Haye but I think it's pretty safe to assume Haye has never been in with someone who punches like Wlad. It will be an interesting fight but it's not a foregone conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 It will be an interesting fight but it's not a foregone conclusion. Not in the slightest! In fact it's one of those fights that has split opinions of everyone. There's just some many plausible outcomes. I so want Haye to win but am more than prepared for the possibility that he'll be laying splattered all over the canvas by the halfway point. Haye could crumple under Wlad's first attack. But then the same could happen in reverse. Or it could be one of those contests where nothing much happens. Personally I hope Haye makes Wlad look bad by slipping his jab and fighting on the back foot before knocking him out when Wlad gets frustrated and leaves himself open when resorting to wild attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 'Because he's clearly a dickhead.' I think Haye's definitely got under Klitschko's skin a bit. You could tell part of Klitschko was trying to play it cool but the other half wanted to jump across the table and lump him. What a cracking interview. David Haye is right: "it's going to be a great fight" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 'Because he's clearly a dickhead.' I think Haye's definitely got under Klitschko's skin a bit. You could tell part of Klitschko was trying to play it cool but the other half wanted to jump across the table and lump him. That's brilliant!! That said, Haye's going to look a right d1ckhe4d if he loses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund24 Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 I think this why most boxing fans want Haye to win - because it might lead the way for lighter, more mobile and more exciting boxers in the heavyweight division. I don't have the facts to hand but what weights did Ali, Foreman and Frazier fight at? I suspect it was probably around the 15/16 stone mark? Ali must've started around the 13 stone mark and ended around the 15/16 mark, I think Henry Cooper never went above 14 stone in the heavy weight division. Foreman would've been bigger especially at the end of his second stint as champ!! A classic example is Evander Holyfield who was a natural Cruiserweight but fought and won the heavyweight title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 28 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2011 'Because he's clearly a dickhead.' I think Haye's definitely got under Klitschko's skin a bit. You could tell part of Klitschko was trying to play it cool but the other half wanted to jump across the table and lump him. Sorry but that was pure pantomime and almost reminiscent of the ridiculous wrestling stuff. It was designed to sell tickets but I don't think this fight needs that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 28 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2011 Ali must've started around the 13 stone mark and ended around the 15/16 mark, I think Henry Cooper never went above 14 stone in the heavy weight division. Foreman would've been bigger especially at the end of his second stint as champ!! A classic example is Evander Holyfield who was a natural Cruiserweight but fought and won the heavyweight title That was about what I thought, excusing Foreman's comeback. It's no real surprise that the heavyweight golden era occured at a time when they were lighter. In fact I'd be in favour of having a super heavy weight division that could be safely ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 June, 2011 Share Posted 28 June, 2011 'Because he's clearly a dickhead.' I think Haye's definitely got under Klitschko's skin a bit. You could tell part of Klitschko was trying to play it cool but the other half wanted to jump across the table and lump him. That cracked me up too. Got a lot of time for Haye, seems like a decent lad, funny and witty with a bit of a swagger which i like when someone is good at what they do. My Millwall mate used to see him regularly around Bermondsey until a few years ago when he earnt his decent money and said he was always a top bloke. Hope he smashes Klitchko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crab Lungs Posted 30 June, 2011 Share Posted 30 June, 2011 I'm still trying to figure why people keep saying that if Wladimir catches him, it's good night. Just because he's big, doesn't mean punches harder than Haye. In fact, despite his size, doesn't Haye punch a lot, lot harder than many other heavyweights? As St Marco predicts though, I think WK will just jab, jab, grab and wait for Haye to get frustrated and open up. And yes, it'll probably quite tiring having Wladamir leaning on you for hugs all night. Go on Haye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 30 June, 2011 Share Posted 30 June, 2011 Have gone for Haye to win in round 4/5/6/7/8 - Each 16/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 June, 2011 Share Posted 30 June, 2011 That cracked me up too. Got a lot of time for Haye, seems like a decent lad, funny and witty with a bit of a swagger which i like when someone is good at what they do. My Millwall mate used to see him regularly around Bermondsey until a few years ago when he earnt his decent money and said he was always a top bloke. Hope he smashes Klitchko. That is almost word for word what a manchester mate of mine said before ricky hattons last fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 June, 2011 Share Posted 30 June, 2011 That is almost word for word what a manchester mate of mine said before ricky hattons last fight. I met ricky hatton on the pop in playas de las americas in tenerife in 2008...he was wasted.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 That is almost word for word what a manchester mate of mine said before ricky hattons last fight. Difference is Hatton has beaten some truly excellent fighters and only lost to the two best fighters of our generation. Haye has fought nobodies his entire career and desperately needs to prove himself tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 July, 2011 Share Posted 1 July, 2011 That is almost word for word what a manchester mate of mine said before ricky hattons last fight. Why would a manchester mate of yours regularly see Ricky Hatton around Bermondsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Haye is class i full expect him to win, wont be a easy fight this is a match every boxing fan wanted to see and now we just wait for Manny to agree to take this anti doping test so he can fight Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Any idea where one might choose to watch this online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Any idea where one might choose to watch this online? myp2p.eu will have some links. I normally watch all the fights online but will be paying for this as I don't want to run the risk of losing the stream at a crucial moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 2 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2011 myp2p.eu will have some links. I normally watch all the fights online but will be paying for this as I don't want to run the risk of losing the stream at a crucial moment. Yep, I'm paying for this one as well. In the past I've caught some really good streams but whilst I begrudge pfv for any channel I have a subscription to this at least justifies the tag, "box office". Anyone having any bets? There's a few good ones on Haye if you fancy round betting - my favourite is 11/1 on a Haye win rounds 7-9. Haven't bet yet though although I am leaning more towards Haye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 6 days on i still have no idea who to pick..... You could flip a coin and make a case for each side! Logically Wlad is the fav, he is bigger, stronger and far more experienced especially at this weight. But i honestly think David has got to him. Wlad's head doesn't seem in it, he seems more bothered with being his friend then fighting. If he comes to the ring to launch bombs from the go Haye will destroy him because he is super fast and will just dodge them and counter him to death. After watching the weigh in i think Wlad looked shocked at the level of support for David. In no other fight has Wlad had to deal with that on that level. He was booed out of the building pretty much! My heart says Haye will win but my head says Wlad will win. I just got a feeling this is too soon for David, he is still a young guy, Wlad is in his prime and his experience will count for a lot. He has one of the greatest trainers of all time in his corner. Whatever happens at least we have a heavyweight fight that is actually worth the ppv price for once! Someone is getting knocked out that is for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 2 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2011 6 days on i still have no idea who to pick..... You could flip a coin and make a case for each side! Logically Wlad is the fav, he is bigger, stronger and far more experienced especially at this weight. But i honestly think David has got to him. Wlad's head doesn't seem in it, he seems more bothered with being his friend then fighting. If he comes to the ring to launch bombs from the go Haye will destroy him because he is super fast and will just dodge them and counter him to death. After watching the weigh in i think Wlad looked shocked at the level of support for David. In no other fight has Wlad had to deal with that on that level. He was booed out of the building pretty much! My heart says Haye will win but my head says Wlad will win. I just got a feeling this is too soon for David, he is still a young guy, Wlad is in his prime and his experience will count for a lot. He has one of the greatest trainers of all time in his corner. Whatever happens at least we have a heavyweight fight that is actually worth the ppv price for once! Someone is getting knocked out that is for sure! Pretty much my thoughts - it's easy to discount Wlad over here but let's not forget he has all the natural attributes (weight and size) and fast hands as well. He may well be functional but he's bloody good at it. It seems to me though that he lacks a natural desire and a killer instinct. I never get the impression he loves being in the ring and when he gets hurt badly he can just give in. I keep going back to my original post, and that's about Adam Booth - it may be premature but he's fast becoming our Freddie Roach. He'll know what to expect from Vlad and will have a plan. Still a very, very tough call and I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Pretty much my thoughts - it's easy to discount Wlad over here but let's not forget he has all the natural attributes (weight and size) and fast hands as well. He may well be functional but he's bloody good at it. It seems to me though that he lacks a natural desire and a killer instinct. I never get the impression he loves being in the ring and when he gets hurt badly he can just give in. I keep going back to my original post, and that's about Adam Booth - it may be premature but he's fast becoming our Freddie Roach. He'll know what to expect from Vlad and will have a plan. Still a very, very tough call and I can't wait. Exactly. Obviously we are slightly biased being English and all but Wlad is a good fighter. He is a lot quicker then people give him credit for. What he does well is use his jab. Sure it is boring and not much to look at but it is a tried and tested move for him that works. He uses it to wear people down. They go to throw a punch and whack he has hit you with the jab. It makes you not want to throw your own punches as you don't want to keep getting hit. If Wlad get's into his groove then Haye is in deep ****. Haye's best chance is to take him out early. Soon as the bell rings jump all over him. He can't fight when he is on the back foot, for a big guy like Wlad it isn't natural for him. If Haye takes away the control of the fight from him then Haye has a really good chance. Booth is a good trainer and deserves a lot more respect then he get's. If Haye wins tonight then i think he will get it. Just watched a bit of sky sports news and they say it is raining there now and the stadium has no roof......on top of that they said Wlad's enterance alone takes 20mins! I can see that ****ing off Haye as he is waiting in the ring in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 christ, its pizzing down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Round the missus' tonight - she's got BTfukingVision so that's buggered up my chances of watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 2 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2011 christ, its pizzing down there They said earlier that the rain would have to come in at a 45 degree angle to affect the fight - apparently they have some kind of temporary cover? Bloody hope it doesn't get rained off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 We get this on HBO at no extra cost which is nice. Good spot mate. Just checked and yep, it's definitely on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Good spot mate. Just checked and yep, it's definitely on there. Presumably should be pretty easy to find a stream then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Presumably should be pretty easy to find a stream then?? Google search boxing guru for a good feed bud so I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackalec Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 What's going on with the gloves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 What time is it predicted to start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 2 July, 2011 Share Posted 2 July, 2011 Any link for a stream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 2 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2011 What time is it predicted to start? Round about ten ish but expect the ring entrances to take ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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