Saint in Paradise Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 He is going to help Scottish football according to the BBC. .
saint_ben Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 performance director. very suprised by that appointment. always liked him when he was manager. good luck to him
stevegrant Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Fair to say he seems to like near-impossible jobs
Saint Stimp Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/13886219.stm Strange that we aren't really mentioned in his experience.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Bloody good guy and probably the one that got away! Had a very good record here
Huntingdon Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Shame he hasn't taken Jan Poortvliet with him - he would definitely burst into tears when he saw Motherwell's ground
Saint_clark Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/13886219.stm Strange that we aren't really mentioned in his experience. We get more of a mention than any of his other jobs.
Saint Stimp Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 We get more of a mention than any of his other jobs. They've updated it now, just to make me look stupid. We weren't mentioned originally, just said he'd worked in England.
beatlesaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Bloody good guy and probably the one that got away! Had a very good record here He did ???
Wade Garrett Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Crap appointment for Saints. Another Rupert experiment that went very wrong.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Exceptional appointment if you believe @realscotnews on Twitter: "The SFA's appointed Mark Wotte as its first ever performance director. He's previously managed England, Egypt, Qatar & his native Holland."
beatlesaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Wooosh....? ;-) You never can tell with some people on here in my defence ! :-)
Fan The Flames Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 A snidy Lowe yes man. However good luck to him.
trousers Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 You never can tell with some people on here in my defence ! :-) :-)
trousers Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Wotte: "This is a key role in the modern game and it is my intention to help restore Scottish football to its former glory." Scottish Football? Former glory? Am I missing something here....?
Colinjb Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Strange man, seemed to be be a real snake when he destabilised and pushed out portvliet yet he was an absolute rock while we went into and emerged from administration. Either way, good luck to him, he'll need it up there! Who was the other Dutchman linked with the management job here the first time Wotte was linked with us, before Burley?
scott_saints Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Portvliet was much better imo. Had us playing some amazing football (albeit without goals) with inexperienced youngsters. Wotte was made to look better because he was allowed to play/bring in experienced players when he was manager. Something Portvliet couldn't do.
um pahars Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 At first I felt a bit sorry for him as the whole Poortvliet/Wotte/Lowe set up was quite clearly wrong from the very start. However, reading Poortvliet's comments on how he felt stabbed in the back and betrayed/undermined meant that the little sympathy I had for him quickly vanished as he came out of that looking very poor indeed.
stevegrant Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 At first I felt a bit sorry for him as the whole Poortvliet/Wotte/Lowe set up was quite clearly wrong from the very start. However, reading Poortvliet's comments on how he felt stabbed in the back and betrayed/undermined meant that the little sympathy I had for him quickly vanished as he came out of that looking very poor indeed. I don't think any one of us would have done anything different. If your company CEO told you that the manager of the company's main department was about to be fired and asked if you'd be interested in replacing him, as it was a step up from your current role, would you really say "no thanks"? I certainly wouldn't.
Foxstone Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Strange man, seemed to be be a real snake when he destabilised and pushed out portvliet yet he was an absolute rock while we went into and emerged from administration. Either way, good luck to him, he'll need it up there! Who was the other Dutchman linked with the management job here the first time Wotte was linked with us, before Burley? Cees Lok I think...
Gordon Mockles Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Both inexperienced muppets way too inferior for our level & the results echoed that but hey, Rupes knew best!! Forget the wise words intimated by Alan Ball! Sack Pearson who salvaged something despite the inherited mess and that clueless numpty Manji thought, appoint 2 clueless Dutch jokers to get us relegated and then put us into administration when it's clear we will be relegated and have -10 the following season in League One...nice work! Thank f*ck we have someone running the club with a modicum of intelligence and logic now!
Foxstone Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Both inexperienced muppets way too inferior for our level & the results echoed that but hey, Rupes knew best!! Forget the wise words intimated by Alan Ball! Sack Pearson who salvaged something despite the inherited mess and that clueless numpty Manji thought, appoint 2 clueless Dutch jokers to get us relegated and then put us into administration when it's clear we will be relegated and have -10 the following season in League One...nice work! Thank f*ck we have someone running the club with a modicum of intelligence and logic now! A bit more than a modicum I would say Gordon.. Best we have had in my living memory IMO
Doctoroncall Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Wotte: "This is a key role in the modern game and it is my intention to help restore Scottish football to its former glory." Scottish Football? Former glory? Am I missing something here....? Think back at least 50 years, you could even go back to 1870 when they were only second best (admittedly out of two)! ;-)
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Strange appointment when you think that one of Scotland's best strengths has been the their coaches/managers. Paisley, Stein, Busby, Ferguson, Dalglish, Moyes, Coyle, McLeish, Smith...........Wotte? I can never forget him describing Ryan Smith as having world class skills!!!!
Fan The Flames Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 I don't think any one of us would have done anything different. If your company CEO told you that the manager of the company's main department was about to be fired and asked if you'd be interested in replacing him, as it was a step up from your current role, would you really say "no thanks"? I certainly wouldn't. I suspect it didn't quite happen that way, by Poortvliet reaction Wotte play a part in his downfall. I guess he knew Lowe held his ticket to English football management and he was deparate enough to do anything to get it. I don't buy this 'acted with dignity when we went into admin' b#llocks , he was just looking after himself which is fair enough but he didn't do anything above and beyond.
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/13886219.stm Strange that we aren't really mentioned in his experience. To be honest .... I wouldn't want to make too much of that experience if it was on my CV, However to be fair to him, I thought he was very loyal behaved very correctly when the world was coming own around our ears. Good luck Mark!
whizzpop Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Scotland are a glutton for punishment first Burley now Wotte, who next Wigley or Branfoot? In all seriousness I still think if Woote had been in charge from the start of 08/09 we might have stood a chance, got the best out of Jason Euell and Jan Paul Saejs was a good find.
Bad Wolf Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Saw him in Tesco about a week after his sacking. Lovely guy he was. Had about 20 bottles of wine in his trolley so not sure what that says but never the less, had no bitter feelings towards Saints or it's fans. Even introduced the lady he was with as his wife to me. Chatted for a bit just like any other good. Has my total respect and best wishes for this new position he has taken on.
um pahars Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 I don't think any one of us would have done anything different. If your company CEO told you that the manager of the company's main department was about to be fired and asked if you'd be interested in replacing him, as it was a step up from your current role, would you really say "no thanks"? I certainly wouldn't. The issue with me wasn't stepping in and replacing Poortvliet (as you say I don't think anyone would have said no - apart from Wigley who said no, then yes), but instead how Poortvliet described how Wotte acted in the early days and how he felt it undermined him.
LostBoys Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 When he was appointed we were all but doomed in fact he could only have succeeded if his name was Lazarus. Although he improved the team the performances from certain players remained poor and many chances were scorned - Blackpool away final minutes 1 each Surman breaks clear on the left and there are two unmarked Saints players in the box - and the ball ends up on the beach. I am not blaming Surman as he was one of the best players for us but overall we were just crap. I think that if Wotte had been manager we might have just escaped. I think he is a good coach but managing in the Championship needs experience from the manager and players.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Poor appointment for us and it'll be a poor one for the Jocks. No matter how people try and rewrite it, he was there from the start of the "total football" season as part of the Chuckle Brothers double act, and bears a huge lot of blame for that dire season.Best thing that NC/ML did was getting rid of him from the off.
um pahars Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 No matter how people try and rewrite it, he was there from the start of the "total football" season as part of the Chuckle Brothers double act, and bears a huge lot of blame for that dire season.Best thing that NC/ML did was getting rid of him from the off. Totally agree. Not sure how people can say he wasn't that bad and almost saved us when he was up to his neck with a few others who were responsible of putting us in such a dreadful position.
Dalek2003 Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Rupert Lowe lost his way big time. Shame, because until 2004 he was doing well.
sadoldgit Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 The issue with me wasn't stepping in and replacing Poortvliet (as you say I don't think anyone would have said no - apart from Wigley who said no, then yes), but instead how Poortvliet described how Wotte acted in the early days and how he felt it undermined him. There are two sides to every story. I'd like to hear Wotte's before I made a judgement. He stuck around and helped out when things got tough so fair play to him for that.
VectisSaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 The jocks must be bloody stupid. How so, after all they appointed George Burley as their manager. Then again maybe you have a point.
hamster Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 He was known as 'chocolates' in certain circles within saints I believe. Just saying.
bpsaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Am I right in thinkng the guy didn't rate Lallana and Adam ended up being really unhappy here? Perhaps Weston can elaborate but i'm sure thats how it was. Shows what the guy knew about football.
farawaysaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 How so, after all they appointed George Burley as their manager. Then again maybe you have a point. Hmmm, are we the Jock's new feeder club? Huzzah! They can happily have all our castoff managers.
John Boy Saint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Would have laughed if they had taken Poortvliet, as he was the Dutch defender who Archie Gemmel nutmegged en route to scoring probably one of the best ever world cup goals in 1978.
sammysaint Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 We Never should of been on his CV should of kept Pearson, still a legend to me for keeping us up that season ok we went down next season but I'm glad we wasn't league one and in admin with youngsters. To be fair tho him and JP got us playing amazing football just lack goals
Colinjb Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Hmmm, are we the Jock's new feeder club? Huzzah! They can happily have all our castoff managers. And yet they didn't do everyone a favour and take on R*dknapp.
Jonnyboy Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 He was known as 'chocolates' in certain circles within saints I believe. Just saying. I dont get it. Is he some sort of pervert?
theyin Posted 23 June, 2011 Posted 23 June, 2011 Working in Qatar at the time and a few journos, football types etc had nothing but good to say about the fella. One of the games gents. Good luck to him.
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