Agents won't deal with us.

[Window Cleaner]

That's a bit of a sweeping statement. There are plenty of good agents out there.AL would have had an agent when he signed his new contract,Nigel would have had one when he got on the bus. In fact every player that NC deals with regarding contract extenstions, wages ect will have an agent. Just because some of them are shysters, doesn't mean that there are not deceent honest ones out there.

 

Who said they were shysters? perhaps the bent halfpenny idiom fooled you,agents are there to be intermediates in transactions

they don't as a rule pick and choose who they deal with that's all.Facilitating transactions is for gain is what they do.

 

A bent halfpenny denotes something of little value but better than nothing, not something criminal or crooked;whereas bent as a nine bob note means something false or counterfeit.

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Window Cleaner

[teamsaint]

it cuts both ways. If NC and NA want a player, or to talk to one, there are plenty of ways of letting the player know with out asking the agent nicely if he would mind.

 

Agents might not like NC(or lots of other chairmen) but they want to do deals.

[Saint_clark]

Lol, what a stupid thread! Feeding trolls

 

The twitter account is real, it's had info which turned out to be correct posted on it for ages now.

[Saint_lambden]

I hardly think this is something to worry about, it's most likely just because some player and his agent have been in talks with us and requested ridiculous wages and we, trying to be sensible and sustainable as Cortese has said many times, told them to shove it - leaving no wadge of cash for Mr Agent.

[View From The Top]

If a club makes an enquiry to an agent about a player then the agent is legal bound to inform the player. It's in the T&Cs of their licence and they would lose it if that wasn't done.

[Saint Without a Halo]

If an agent stands to make money he will deal with us! Do you really think they have any other ethics and or morals!

 

Silly thread

 

End of

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Saint Without a Halo

[OldNick]

Perhaps we are difficult to deal with. NC seems to have made a rule that if the interest gets out we walk from a deal.

The agent like and auctioneer wont like the fact they can't use someone else to push the price up.

I think that is shrewd and perhaps in time we will gain from it.

As for an agent not wanting to deal with us and lose out on commission i suspect is unlikely.

[Matthew Le God]

NC seems to have made a rule that if the interest gets out we walk from a deal.

 

Evidence for this statement Nick?

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[OldNick]

Evidence for this statement Nick?

Elliot Ward apparently

[Matthew Le God]

Elliot Ward apparently

 

That isn't evidence.

[farawaysaint]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, one agent says we're **** to deal with everybody panic!!!!

[OldNick]

That isn't evidence.

well this is the internet not the FBI, if i had evidence i wouldn't be putting it on here. Perhaps if I put it on Twitter would that be enough Lol

[dune]

I love nicole more than any of you.

[PhilippineSaint]

If an agent stand to make money he will deal with us! Do you really think they have any other ethics and or morals!

 

Silly thread

 

End of

 

Why do people not understand players are whores and agents are pimps whoever pays the most gets the player for a short time and the pimp rakes in the dosh.

[hypochondriac]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, one agent says we're **** to deal with everybody panic!!!!

 

Why are you incapable of engaging in adult discussion?

[JustMike]

how many pages on a comment made on twitter by someone that might be an agent that was retracted moments later. God, the close season really is boring!

[Matthew Le God]

how many pages on a comment made on twitter by someone that might be an agent that was retracted moments later. God, the close season really is boring!

 

There is no "might" about it, he is definitely a football agent.

 

- He writes for the Daily Mirror.

- He advised Football Manager when they introduced agents into the game and is friends with the MD.

- He is followed by over 15,000 people on Twitter including many football journalists and people connected to clubs.

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[CanadaSaint]

Could this be about agents knowing (or thinking they know) that there is a lot of money available, asking over inflated prices/wages, NC not entertaining their demands? Chelsea and Man City may well have more money than sense, but it doesn't mean that the rest of the footballing world has to follow suit. At the end of the day, NC is a businessman who is acting in the best interests of the owner (and ex-owner). I am sure that there is a very good business plan in place, which does not involve us over stretching ourselves massively by paying huge fees and wages.

 

I think that's exactly what this is about, and the continuing AOC saga just fuels it.

 

Either we're about to cash-in on him and we'll have money burning holes in our pockets, or we don't need to sell him because we already have wads of cash.

 

If the agents are p*ssed off with Cortese and Cortese's p*ssed off at the agents, it's a sign that all parties are doing their jobs. That's the ball game these days.

 

Sooner or later they'll "meet in the middle" on some key signings because we're too well placed and too well motivated not to.

 

Quite why we need to turn it into our own p*ssing contest on here I'm not sure.

[Crazy Diamond]

That isn't evidence.

 

Exactly.

 

Just one of far too many unfounded claims regarding the Club's management at the moment, this agent is making one too. Unless he wants to back it up, and a lot of people have asked him to, it's not worth talking about. Saying 'oh I heard it from other agents' is ********. Put up or shut up.

[farawaysaint]

Why are you incapable of engaging in adult discussion?

 

I believe what i was doing was lampooning the common fault on here of taking one unfounded comment and taking it as gospel. It wasn't even clever satire but if you missed it i promise to dumb down my posts just for you hypo? ;-)

[Saint Without a Halo]

there is no way we would pull out of a key deal just because our interest became known! however if the intrest getting out into the open leads to other higher bids from alternative clubs then it is possible we may pull out if the figures exceed our valuation.

 

This is just normal negotiation! no more no less!

[hypochondriac]

I believe what i was doing was lampooning the common fault on here of taking one unfounded comment and taking it as gospel. It wasn't even clever satire but if you missed it i promise to dumb down my posts just for you hypo? ;-)

 

Your comment would have merit if you can find one post on this thread which takes what was said as gospel.

[Village Saint]

Not at all worrying. Very good news indeed. We'll not get ripped offand only get the people we are actually interested in. Hats off to whoever is making us not a pushover (sorry - difficult to deal with)

[hypochondriac]

Not at all worrying. Very good news indeed. We'll not get ripped offand only get the people we are actually interested in. Hats off to whoever is making us not a pushover (sorry - difficult to deal with)

 

Difficult to deal with can be an entirely different thing from not a pushover.

[aintforever]

Not at all worrying. Very good news indeed. We'll not get ripped offand only get the people we are actually interested in. Hats off to whoever is making us not a pushover (sorry - difficult to deal with)

 

Unless one of the people we are actually interested in has an agent who won't deal with us?

[Avenue Saint]

Difficult to deal with can be an entirely different thing from not a pushover.

 

As much as YOU say this is a negative, in the interests of balance and non blinkered view, I will say it is a positive!

 

We ain't gonna sell if we don't want to and basically, no agent is going to stop a buy if we want the player!!

 

That's it really isn't it?! Oh and by the way, ox still here...

 

Cortese, you carry on standing straight and tall my man, the majority of us are loving this ride and stand firmly behind you sir.

[Matthew Le God]

Since the takeover in Summer 2009...

 

Joined the club

 

José Fonte

Guly do Prado

Lambert, Rickie

Butterfield, Danny

Seaborne, Danny

Martin, Aaron

Puncheon, Jason

Stephens, Jack

Stephens, Dale

Barnard, Lee

Harding, Dan

Connolly, David

Forte, Jonathan

Hammond, Dean

Chaplow, Richard

Jaïdi, Radhi

Dickson, Ryan

Richardson, Frazer

Papa Waigo

Otsemobor, Jon

Bignall, Nicholas

Antonio, Michail

 

Signed a contract extension or pro deal

 

Lallana, Adam

Doble, Ryan

Lallana, Adam

Bialkowski, Bartosz

Davis, Kelvin

Dean, Harlee

Isgrove, Lloyd

Reeves, Ben

Hoskins, Sam

Robinson, Andy

Jaïdi, Radhi

Connolly, David

Chamberlain, Alex

 

Not to mention numerous other youth team players joining the club and/or signing pro deals.

 

Pretty much all these things would have been done with agents!

 

So Nicola Cortese hasn't done that badly with agent considering it all resulted in a promotion and a strong squad to start as a base to work from this summer for a Championship campaign.

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

As much as YOU say this is a negative, in the interests of balance and non blinkered view, I will say it is a positive!

 

We ain't gonna sell if we don't want to and basically, no agent is going to stop a buy if we want the player!!

 

That's it really isn't it?! Oh and by the way, ox still here...

 

Cortese, you carry on standing straight and tall my man, the majority of us are loving this ride and stand firmly behind you sir.

 

FFS I an NOT saying it is a negative. What I am not doing is automatically assuming everything is positive and anything negative is lies or people with an agenda.

[aintforever]

Writing a long list of names is as meaningless as the original Twitter comment. Unless you have a list of which players (if any) have walked away from negotiations because their agent has the hump.

[Matthew Le God]

Writing a long list of names is as meaningless as the original Twitter comment. Unless you have a list of which players (if any) have walked away from negotiations because their agent has the hump.

 

Irrelevant if Saints ended up with another player that helped acheive the clubs goal of promotion for a price it felt was appropriate, rather than an inflated one with large agent fees attached.

[hypochondriac]

Or a list of players who we have missed out on because their agent told them it wasn't worth the hassle with saints or advised them to join an alternative club.

[hypochondriac]

Irrelevant if Saints ended up with another player that helped acheive the clubs goal of promotion for a price it felt was appropriate, rather than an inflated one with large agent fees attached.

 

It becomes relevant if we miss out on signings this season since the majority agree that we need some quality to achieve promotion.

[Matthew Le God]

Or a list of players who we have missed out on because their agent told them it wasn't worth the hassle with saints or advised them to join an alternative club.

 

again...

 

Irrelevant if Saints ended up with another player that helped acheive the clubs goal of promotion for a price it felt was appropriate, rather than an inflated one with large agent fees attached.

[Matthew Le God]

It becomes relevant if we miss out on signings this season since the majority agree that we need some quality to achieve promotion.

 

Well if the club used the same policy with agents since the summer of 2009, it achieved success in the market from 2009 to 2011. So why not using the same strategy from 2011 onwards? Yes, you may not get some players, yes you may **** off the odd agent, but it it is a very big player pond and if you really want a quality player and have the cash there is plenty out there.

[hypochondriac]

Well if the club used the same policy with agents since the summer of 2009, it achieved success in the market from 2009 to 2011. So why not using the same strategy from 2011 onwards? Yes, you may not get some players, yes you may **** off the odd agent, but it it is a very big player pond and if you really want a quality player and have the cash there is plenty out there.

 

That is up for debate. I would argue that the majority signed in our first season is what won us promotion.

[aintforever]

Irrelevant if Saints ended up with another player that helped acheive the clubs goal of promotion for a price it felt was appropriate, rather than an inflated one with large agent fees attached.

 

We bought our way out of League 1, for a club the size of Saints with billionaire backers that is a piece of p!ss regardless of how well the chairman got on with agents.

 

We are now competing for players with clubs who have similar budgets, it is possible that having a bad relationship with agents might mean we miss out on players. I'm not saying it is the case, just that ass kissing Cortese because he has annoyed some agents is a bit daft.

[Matthew Le God]

That is up for debate. I would argue that the majority signed in our first season is what won us promotion.

 

A little flawed logic there. Have you considered the club didn't need to do much in 2010/11 transfer wise, because it was so successful with transfers (and the agents concerned) in 2009/10? The club had no need to rebuild during 2010/11 as it did in the 2009 summer window and January 2010 window. The squad was already largely in place, as shown by it achieving promotion.

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

What happened to the positive hypochondriac of 25th May 2011?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?30430-Some-interesting-Cortese-info

Edited 22 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[david in sweden]

Would you trust a football agent?

 

.....or a second-hand car salesman?

[John B]

As much as YOU say this is a negative, in the interests of balance and non blinkered view, I will say it is a positive!

 

We ain't gonna sell if we don't want to and basically, no agent is going to stop a buy if we want the player!!

 

That's it really isn't it?! Oh and by the way, ox still here...

 

Cortese, you carry on standing straight and tall my man, the majority of us are loving this ride and stand firmly behind you sir.

 

We dont know whether Cortese is difficult to deal with but there is rumblings that he is

 

Whether by being more flexible Cortese would get in better players is purely hypothetical

 

We will obviously get in some new ones but may of course miss out on some others but that is life but overall I would like to think that having a CEO and manager who were well respected in the football world would be an advantage to the club .

 

So that other clubs and agents would want to do business with us this may well be the case at present but if it is not it is a shame as there is going to be real competition between Championship Clubs to this close season to get in high quality players.

[hypochondriac]

We bought our way out of League 1, for a club the size of Saints with billionaire backers that is a piece of p!ss regardless of how well the chairman got on with agents.

 

We are now competing for players with clubs who have similar budgets, it is possible that having a bad relationship with agents might mean we miss out on players. I'm not saying it is the case, just that ass kissing Cortese because he has annoyed some agents is a bit daft.

 

Thank you! Nice to see some common sense on here.

[hypochondriac]

A little flawed logic there. Have you considered the club didn't need to do much in 2010/11 transfer wise, because it was so successful with transfer (and the agents concerned) in 2009/10? The club had no need to rebuild during 2010/11 as it did in the 2009 summer window and January 2010 window. The squad was already largely in place, as shown by it achieving promotion.

 

It's not flawed logic, it's presumption on both our parts. You presume that we got the targets we were looking for whilst I see that the quality of our signings decreased despite being linked to players of a higher quality. This transfer window will show which scenario was most likely.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

Nobody is dismissing it because it's negative. We're dismissing it because it's clearly bullsh*t.

I think you just confirmed Hypos point.

 

Hoping something is not true does not mean that it isn't, and does not address the significance if true.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not sure I believe it, just playing devils advocate.

 

Just the smallest application of common sense to the tweet should get you there, but even that escapes your grasp. Let's look at what is actually said "They are so tricky to deal with now most agents and clubs don't bother". So we are not talking about players here, but the agents and the clubs. This is a simple one to answer, pay what they want and you will have zero problems. This is not the case of the clubs and agents being bothered, but it is Cortese himself who is not prepared to pay over the top or hand agents fees for doing little. It is clear that Cortese is prepared to lose out on deals where he believes the player is not that special to the team or feels he has options.

 

Then just have a look at all the transfer deals we have done, where we have bought in loads of players costing fees where we have negotiated with clubs and the players agents. We even paid some costly loans at the end of last season that also had to be negotiated. So there is plenty of evidence that we have dealt successfully with many clubs and agents, so where is the underlying problem here? We know already this season that we are the only club to have a bid accepted by Chelsea for Cork, so there is no indicator the tap has been turned off. Cork is either waiting to see what other offer is around or personal terms are not to his liking. Cortese will have a value and will generally stick to that value unless the club feel it is a must have player, something I can't see of Jack Cork. We have also seen with the purchase of Lambert and Fonte that they will push the boat out to get the right player.

 

We have seen from comments from the S****horpe chairman that he is a hard act to deal with, but as Adkins commented at the time, Cortese's dealings had been impeccable. No shouting your mouth off to the press like we had from Mitchell, just business like dealings. Then we had the case of Elliot Ward, then at Coventry. We made an offer for several players, signed Seabourne and dumped Ward. Why, because when you make a written offer you are commited to the conditions of that offer, including the offer period. Too slow to get it dealt with and you have every right to change your mind, that is the nature of these offers.

 

So we know Cortese has dealt successfully with a lot of clubs and agents and there is clear evidence that we are continuing to do so even this early in the season. So if you are going to highlight any chairman, why would anyone with an ounce of common sense look in Cortese's direction? Things may change and finances tighten up, but we have no evidence so far, even to the extent of outbidding championship clubs receiving Premier parachute payments, even spending big money on a Plymouth youth player.

[egg]

Just the smallest application of common sense to the tweet should get you there, but even that escapes your grasp. Let's look at what is actually said "They are so tricky to deal with now most agents and clubs don't bother". So we are not talking about players here, but the agents and the clubs. This is a simple one to answer, pay what they want and you will have zero problems. This is not the case of the clubs and agents being bothered, but it is Cortese himself who is not prepared to pay over the top or hand agents fees for doing little. It is clear that Cortese is prepared to lose out on deals where he believes the player is not that special to the team or feels he has options.

 

Then just have a look at all the transfer deals we have done, where we have bought in loads of players costing fees where we have negotiated with clubs and the players agents. We even paid some costly loans at the end of last season that also had to be negotiated. So there is plenty of evidence that we have dealt successfully with many clubs and agents, so where is the underlying problem here? We know already this season that we are the only club to have a bid accepted by Chelsea for Cork, so there is no indicator the tap has been turned off. Cork is either waiting to see what other offer is around or personal terms are not to his liking. Cortese will have a value and will generally stick to that value unless the club feel it is a must have player, something I can't see of Jack Cork. We have also seen with the purchase of Lambert and Fonte that they will push the boat out to get the right player.

 

We have seen from comments from the S****horpe chairman that he is a hard act to deal with, but as Adkins commented at the time, Cortese's dealings had been impeccable. No shouting your mouth off to the press like we had from Mitchell, just business like dealings. Then we had the case of Elliot Ward, then at Coventry. We made an offer for several players, signed Seabourne and dumped Ward. Why, because when you make a written offer you are commited to the conditions of that offer, including the offer period. Too slow to get it dealt with and you have every right to change your mind, that is the nature of these offers.

 

So we know Cortese has dealt successfully with a lot of clubs and agents and there is clear evidence that we are continuing to do so even this early in the season. So if you are going to highlight any chairman, why would anyone with an ounce of common sense look in Cortese's direction? Things may change and finances tighten up, but we have no evidence so far, even to the extent of outbidding championship clubs receiving Premier parachute payments, even spending big money on a Plymouth youth player.

 

 

 

That's a lot of words to not actually deal with what I said, or have said throughout this thread.

 

I have said that the statement is a concern IF true. I have said that nobody on here knows the truth either way. I have also said that I doubt that it is true.

 

Yes we have done a lot of deals in the past. We are now in with bigger boys chasing bigger boys. Relationships with agents will be important. IF we have poor relations we are at a disadvantage.

 

Crystal?

[Thedelldays]

my word

 

what a lot of hot air

[View From The Top]

Agent's will whore their players to the highest payday. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an even bigger moron than most of the very, very thick morons on here.

[egg]

Agent's will whore their players to the highest payday. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an even bigger moron than most of the very, very thick morons on here.

 

 

 

That's probably the case. But there has to be something in it for the agent too. If there's not and/or someone else is offering similar terms but is easier to deal with then we are at a disadvantage.

 

Not saying the above applies though.

[benjii]

Your comment would have merit if you can find one post on this thread which takes what was said as gospel.

 

You made yourself look silly (as usual). Get over it.

[benjii]

Presumably:

 

Butterfield

Richardson

Harding

Dickson

Fonte

Jaidi

Seaborne

Chaplow

Hammond

Stephens

Guly

Antonio

Bignall

Lambert

Barnard

Waigo

Connolly

 

don't use agents?

 

There is nothing credible about this post whatsoever but the intellect-challenged will lap it up and get all excited. It's Twitter for ****'s sake. It's a tool for idiocy.

[NickG]

chairman doing well shock!