Nicky Maynard

[John B]

Possibly, presuming we actually get some of these players and we offer a half decent price for them.

 

How come you are such a sensible poster when loads of others live in cloud cuckoo land where every thing SFC do is right and we are heading to the Champions League.

 

I did notice on the another thread that there is some realism as posters suggested that Cortese knows the finances and should not over spend something a previous Chairman was pilliored for.

 

However I doubt whether success ie being a top eight team in the PL will happen without out spending loads of dosh

 

Dont current PL teams have academies but very few of the top teams seem to bring players through to play in the First Team regularly so why should it be any different with SFC

 

Although we have produced a lot a of decent footballers from the Academy in the last ten years or so not many are playing regularly in the PL.

 

The coming season is the 50th seaon I have watched the Saints and I dont really mind what Division they play in all I know is I will follow every game either live on TV or through the internet.

 

The last two seasons have been pretty good and so were the first twenty five lets hope the next few are good as well

[SuperSAINT]

Well yeah, but at least it shows that the feelers are looking at the right level - rather than average players on free transfers as people feared. Nicky Maynard was never going to be free, so there is obviously money to play with otherwise we wouldn't have bothered enquiring.

 

£4m + for a player with 1 year left is OTT though and I wouldn't want us to pay that.

 

Maynard's got everything we'd want from a new striker, but like you say, £4m in those circumstances is crazy. Great player at this level though. Sharp's the better bet at 2.5m IMO.

[hypochondriac]

yes there is, their bid was rejected. In all fairness neither you or I know what has been offered and to whom. Lets just judge once window shuts

 

I will do. I'm commenting on the situation and the current evidence at the moment. If that changes then I'll comment on that as well.

[hypochondriac]

Well yeah, but at least it shows that the feelers are looking at the right level - rather than average players on free transfers as people feared. Nicky Maynard was never going to be free, so there is obviously money to play with otherwise we wouldn't have bothered enquiring.

 

£4m + for a player with 1 year left is OTT though and I wouldn't want us to pay that.

 

I agree we probably do have money to play with. The big question is how much exactly and at what level our bids or 'enquiries' (as the BBC puts it) are.

[Dalek2003]

It doesn't look like we are going to make many big signings of any significance.

We either haven't got the funds or we are being elbowed out.

Staying in the NPC could be the aim next season. Tough test for NA

[Matthew Le God]

It doesn't look like we are going to make many big signings of any significance.

We either haven't got the funds or we are being elbowed out.

Staying in the NPC could be the aim next season. Tough test for NA

 

What is any of that based on? In a way, I hope you are just fishing for a bite. If your mind really works like that, you have more problems than I do!

[hypochondriac]

It doesn't look like we are going to make many big signings of any significance.

We either haven't got the funds or we are being elbowed out.

Staying in the NPC could be the aim next season. Tough test for NA

 

That is a stupid and presumptuous statement with so much of the window left. If it gets to the end and we have signed a load of frees or lower fees who don't significantly improve the first team then I will join you with what you say.

[S-Clarke]

It doesn't look like we are going to make many big signings of any significance.

We either haven't got the funds or we are being elbowed out.

Staying in the NPC could be the aim next season. Tough test for NA

 

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[Windmill Arm 2]

But according to you we will sign............ Totti!! Haha

Did I actually say that? or did I CLEARLY state that I laughed in the face of a friend whom told me we were in for Totti ? At least try to be accurate in what you type, then you won't repeatedly make yourself look like a retard.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Anyone know a good cheap hitman?

[Matthew Le God]

Anyone know a good cheap hitman?

 

[Dalek2003]

That is a stupid and presumptuous statement with so much of the window left. If it gets to the end and we have signed a load of frees or lower fees who don't significantly improve the first team then I will join you with what you say.

 

To some extent I agree. We are either playing a very clever game or we are not playing any game at all ! I fear the latter.

[grammy]

It is possible that players we are looking at are under contract until 30th June! Signings may have been agreed but it's not NC's style to announce things until they are concrete ie 1st July (Isn't that also when season tickets go on sale!). Can't believe there is still so much negativity.

 

It doesn't look like we are going to make many big signings of any significance.

We either haven't got the funds or we are being elbowed out.

Staying in the NPC could be the aim next season. Tough test for NA

[EBS1980]

It is possible that our main targets have chosen to go to better teams or talking to premiership teams so we are having to wait or look elsewhere. Not back for pre season yet so no need to worry.

[LGTL]

£4 million for Maynard?? He might be good but blimey, Hernandez was only £6 million. I don't blame Cortese for not getting involved in these ridiculous deals.

[saint_bert]

£4 million for Maynard?? He might be good but blimey, Hernandez was only £6 million. I don't blame Cortese for not getting involved in these ridiculous deals.

 

Spot on.

[NickG]

Because they are prepared to pay higher wages and transfer fees than us. There is no evidence which suggests otherwise.

 

ok, where is the evidence that suggests your comment is right? That we are unwilling to match them for a fee or wages in championship?

[Saint Garrett]

But - let's be honest, Hernandez was an absolute steal! The asking price will change due to a lot of different things and obviously he'll cost more if the demand is higher! There is clearly quite a few teams interested in him and rightly so!

[Danbert]

Because they are prepared to pay higher wages and transfer fees than us. There is no evidence which suggests otherwise.

 

Personally I'm inclined to agree that we're unlikely to beat Leicester to a signing but I don't think it's as clear cut as you make out. There's no real way of knowing what Cortese has in his back pocket before he flashes his wad. Saying there's no evidence to suggest otherwise is disingenuous given that we've yet to make a signing as a Championship club.

[Badger]

Maynard's got everything we'd want from a new striker, but like you say, £4m in those circumstances is crazy. Great player at this level though. Sharp's the better bet at 2.5m IMO.

 

I'm inclined to agree that Sharp at c£2.5m (possibly with Mills making up part of that) would be a better option.

[saint1977]

Maynard would be fantastic but £4m+ is steep and there are many PL clubs that couldn't match what Leicester are looking to spend on fees, let alone wages. We haven't had a really major new signing since Jose Fonte - apart from Guly really, Lallana's new deal was fantastic news but doesn't quite count - so the next one should give us a clue as to realistic expectations for 2011/12. NC has got it right so far so I trust him.

[SaintNeil90]

I'm inclined to agree that Sharp at c£2.5m (possibly with Mills making up part of that) would be a better option.

 

If he can stay fit, which is unlikely.

[NickG]

There is no chance of us beating Leicester to a signing. We have simply enquired.

 

Because they are prepared to pay higher wages and transfer fees than us. There is no evidence which suggests otherwise.

 

I guess you right that there is no evidence that we are prepared to pay higher wages and transfer fees than Leicester for next season, but where is your evidence that they are prepared to pay more than us? All I am aware of is that they have signed one league 1 player (low wages) for £175k (low fee).

[St_Tel49]

To some extent I agree. We are either playing a very clever game or we are not playing any game at all ! I fear the latter.

 

Relax - you know our track record - you'll hear about it when it happens.

[St_Tel49]

Maynard would be fantastic but £4m+ is steep and there are many PL clubs that couldn't match what Leicester are looking to spend on fees, let alone wages. We haven't had a really major new signing since Jose Fonte - apart from Guly really, Lallana's new deal was fantastic news but doesn't quite count - so the next one should give us a clue as to realistic expectations for 2011/12. NC has got it right so far so I trust him.

Yes £4m is too steep but has it not occurred to people that they are quoting that figure to discourage bids. We have done the same with AOC. Sauce for Geese and Ganders here.

[Ewell]

He may be a half decent Championship player but he is not worth 4 million of anyone's money!

[SO16_Saint]

He may be a half decent Championship player but he is not worth 4 million of anyone's money!

 

Delap??

[S-Clarke]

He may be a half decent Championship player but he is not worth 4 million of anyone's money!

 

+1, especially with only 1 year remaining on his contract.

 

You could probably get a player from a European league for half a million of the same quality.

[hypochondriac]

I guess you right that there is no evidence that we are prepared to pay higher wages and transfer fees than Leicester for next season, but where is your evidence that they are prepared to pay more than us? All I am aware of is that they have signed one league 1 player (low wages) for £175k (low fee).

 

Well their history of sky high wages from last season suggests that they will spend big (and they have been tipped to spend big too.)

[egg]

He may be a half decent Championship player but he is not worth 4 million of anyone's money!

 

 

 

Agreed. The problem tho is that the silly fees from the prem are bound to radiate down. Once the bar is set high and others are prepared to pay we either pay daft money or miss out.

[sfc4prem]

Agreed. The problem tho is that the silly fees from the prem are bound to radiate down. Once the bar is set high and others are prepared to pay we either pay daft money or miss out.

 

Or we could look abroad.

[Pwoite]

It may be crazy money, but getting £10m or £12m for Chamberlain sugars any pill. That enables us to buy three or four overpriced prima donnas in the hope that two might come off. And if they do, we're laughing.

 

If we want to play with the supposed big boys, then we play by their rules or we get told to feck off!

[hypochondriac]

Or we could look abroad.

 

Which is a much bigger gamble.

[NickG]

Well their history of sky high wages from last season suggests that they will spend big (and they have been tipped to spend big too.)

 

so you guess we won't match them?

[hypochondriac]

so you guess we won't match them?

 

I have uses the evidence available to make an informed guess.

[EBS1980]

I don't think there will be any movement on this until start of July. BCFC want to meet with him when he reports back for pre season to see if he will sign a contract extension. If not I guess they will sell as he will be out of contract at the end of the season.

[NickG]

I have uses the evidence available to make an informed guess.

 

no problem. To be honest don't know much about their current squad and how much it cost them. Just wondered why you stated as fact we could not / would not financially match them this summer - when we have no idea what Saint's policy for championship signings is, although our league 1 policy was to outspend rivals.

 

I haven't got a clue how much we will spend.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if we only make 2 or 3 signings but spending big.

 

Don't think we will throw money at 'big names' - Adkins seems very keen on team spirit.

[hypochondriac]

no problem. To be honest don't know much about their current squad and how much it cost them. Just wondered why you stated as fact we could not / would not financially match them this summer - when we have no idea what Saint's policy for championship signings is, although our league 1 policy was to outspend rivals.

 

I haven't got a clue how much we will spend.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if we only make 2 or 3 signings but spending big.

 

Don't think we will throw money at 'big names' - Adkins seems very keen on team spirit.

 

We are supposedly running the club to break even. Leicester are not taking that approach. That is why we will not outbid them.

[NickG]

not quite what Cortese said - went onto say but needs injections for transfer funds. (Fonte / Lambert)

[saintscottofthenortham]

We are supposedly running the club to break even. Leicester are not taking that approach. That is why we will not outbid them.

 

I think this is more of a long term vision tbh. i.e Academy responsible for half of our first team in years to come etc. I think NC is well aware that to get to where the club could break even yearly (Prem) then money has to be spent getting there.

[hypochondriac]

I think this is more of a long term vision tbh. i.e Academy responsible for half of our first team in years to come etc. I think NC is well aware that to get to where the club could break even yearly (Prem) then money has to be spent getting there.

 

We shall see what we have spent and on whom at the end of the window

[NickG]

you can't say what we will / will not spend this window as fact, Cortese keeps things very quiet. You may suspect it, you maybe right, but you can't state it as fact almost criticising anyone for wondering whether we can outbid the mighty leicester! You are right now, we will see at the end of the window his, and Adkins approach.

[Alain Perrin]

We won't conclude any player deals until July 1st. New financial year, big slug of income from Alex Ox - any trading before this date cannot be offset against that. It's a tax play.

 

So sit on your hands for a couple of weeks.

[hypochondriac]

you can't say what we will / will not spend this window as fact, Cortese keeps things very quiet. You may suspect it, you maybe right, but you can't state it as fact almost criticising anyone for wondering whether we can outbid the mighty leicester! You are right now, we will see at the end of the window his, and Adkins approach.

 

And whatever they do you will praise them for it.

[david in sweden]

It would also match Saints' record signing as a Premier League team for Rory Delap!

 

....and sad to say. the majority of our record signings have been " flops ".(A few exceptions like Ron Davies (1966-1972) and a quick glance at our list of record scorers shows players who signed for relatively small sums and Paine, Channon and MLT started as teenagers and cost nothing.

 

There are differing opinions on Delap's value as a player. His famous long throws seem wasted by successive Saints team, while at Stoke they became the scourge of the Premiership. He was a versatile player and (like an earlier Jo Tessem) was willing to play anywhere in an emergency whilst seldom having a fixed position of his own. Managers love these type of utility players who can fill a gap anywhere, whilst fans ridicule them when they make a poor pass, and say ..he's not a RB. LB, winger etc,

He was always a 100%-er willing to die for the cause and sustained a number of bad injuries in that battle yet always came back.

 

I recall in 1967 we sold Martin Chivers to Spuds for a record £125K (a LOT at that time) but gave away a third of it to get Frank Saul in the exchange deal. Nice fella Frank, but his honour of scoring in FA cup games (he scored a Cup Final winner for Spuds) followed with him but little else.

In retrospect he contributed little else to the side ( in 61 starts he scored only 12 goals -10 of them in cup games).

 

In selling Alan Shearer to Blackburn £3 mill+ (our top selling at that point), we got shafted with the exchange deal of Speedie and Dixon who scarcely played a dozen games each ..before they both departed.

 

As for the others, the likes of Agustin Delgado (£3 million) shouldn't be repeated, and I find it hard to convince myself that in the end the £3.25 million + big salary we paid to Kevin Phillips was money well spent after such a short stay.

 

IF we spend £4 million (or more ) on Maynard how will we judge his value? ..should he "outscore" the likes of Lambert and Barnard ?

because if he doesn't it will be a lot of money for a meagre return (goalwise).

Edited 23 June, 2011 by david in sweden

[sussexsaint]

We won't conclude any player deals until July 1st. New financial year, big slug of income from Alex Ox - any trading before this date cannot be offset against that. It's a tax play.

So sit on your hands for a couple of weeks.

 

Completely agree with this

[Miltonaggro]

We won't conclude any player deals until July 1st. New financial year, big slug of income from Alex Ox - any trading before this date cannot be offset against that. It's a tax play.

 

So sit on your hands for a couple of weeks.

 

This. I think that it's highly likely that we will see exits first, and even if AOC were to stay fees for Puncheon and perhaps the likes of Mills / Seaborne could considerably raise the kitty. Another point is that on the basis of Cortese's recent dealings it is unlikely that we will get to know any fees we pay (inflated or otherwise), even if we were to sign the likes of Maynard...

[Fitzhugh Fella]

ok, where is the evidence that suggests your comment is right? That we are unwilling to match them for a fee or wages in championship?

 

The trouble is NickG a lot of our competitors don't cut their cloth according to what they sow. Whereas NC is the opposite - therefore we will lose out to the likes of West Ham etc who are clearly going on a sh+t or bust initiative.

Its very frustrating thatr following the circus that was Pompey FC that other clubs are allowed to keep accumulating debt. Clubs that are run among proper lines are therefore penalised.

[jam]

The trouble is NickG a lot of our competitors don't cut their cloth according to what they sow. Whereas NC is the opposite - therefore we will lose out to the likes of West Ham etc who are clearly going on a sh+t or bust initiative.

Its very frustrating thatr following the circus that was Pompey FC that other clubs are allowed to keep accumulating debt. Clubs that are run among proper lines are therefore penalised.

 

At least we get to claim the moral high ground. Far better than a cupboard full of tainted trophies...

[NickG]

And whatever they do you will praise them for it.

 

I won't criticise based on ignorance if that's what you mean