Stadium Developments

[Thedelldays]

still, will offer loads of my hard earned money from putting myself in harms way in the few years to a charity of your choice IF building starts anytime between now and december 31st 2014...

[The Kraken]

The BBC interview (from 36:50)...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8565914.stm

 

Maybe you should have a good listen to what he actually says in that, if you think he's advocating your belief that we should be developing the stadium right now.

 

Firstly he says that there were immediate plans for the stadium which involved making it more consumer friendly, such as getting beer into the hands of customers quicker.

 

he then goes on to very clearly state that there is a bigger picture to be seen from the potential of whether to expand, but that it is far too early to talk about it right now. His words. Its far to early to do anything apart from just talk about it right now.

 

He goes on to say they will consider all options, whether its an increase of St. Mary's or a new location, but reiterates that its far too early to do anything but talk about it now.

Edited 25 June, 2011 by The Kraken

[djharvey]

Well that is the right thing to do then isn't it. They are already selling out every week, 36,000 with a 13,000 waiting list = 49,000.

 

Saints 23,000 season tickets 0 waiting list, selling just under capacity every week = oh..........

 

Wow, thats real bad planning by the spuds then. there gonna have 11,000 empty seats!

[Turkish]

Wow, thats real bad planning by the spuds then. there gonna have 11,000 empty seats!

 

Shut up you idiot.

[hypochondriac]

Maybe you should have a good listen to what he actually says in that, if you think he's advocating your belief that we should be developing the stadium right now.

 

Firstly he says that there were immediate plans for the stadium which involved making it more consumer friendly, such as getting beer into the hands of customers quicker.

 

he then goes on to very clearly state that there is a bigger picture to be seen from the potential of whether to expand, but that it is far too early to talk about it right now. His words. Its far to early to do anything apart from just talk about it right now.

 

He goes on to say they will consider all options, whether its an increase of St. Mary's or a new location, but reiterates that its far too early to do anything but talk about it now.

 

That's the end of the matter then.

[Matthew Le God]

Maybe you should have a good listen to what he actually says in that, if you think he's advocating your belief that we should be developing the stadium right now.

 

Firstly he says that there were immediate plans for the stadium which involved making it more consumer friendly, such as getting beer into the hands of customers quicker.

 

he then goes on to very clearly state that there is a bigger picture to be seen from the potential of whether to expand, but that it is far too early to talk about it right now. His words. Its far to early to do anything apart from just talk about it right now.

 

He goes on to say they will consider all options, whether its an increase of St. Mary's or a new location, but reiterates that its far too early to do anything but talk about it now.

 

That's the end of the matter then.

 

I think you both should you should check the date of the interview. It was over 15 months ago!

 

Maybe it is still early, but 15 months and one promotion closer to the Premier League later is a significant change from when that interview took place, things may well of moved on since then.

 

The Cortese dinners were also far more recent, only 3 months ago.

Edited 25 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[The Kraken]

I think you should you should check the date of it. It was over 15 months ago!

 

Maybe it is still early, but 15 months and one promotion closer to the Premier League later is a significant change from when that interview took place, thing may well of moved on since then.

 

Yeah, you're right. I imagine in one year, having achieved exactly what he had planned to achieve, he'd want to accelerate the process tenfold.

 

Give it up; you're the only one clinging on to this ridiculous notion. Yes, there are plans to increase thye stadium capacity if necessary. But it won't be done for a long time.

[egg]

I think you both should you should check the date of the interview. It was over 15 months ago!

 

Maybe it is still early, but 15 months and one promotion closer to the Premier League later is a significant change from when that interview took place, thing may well of moved on since then.

 

The Cortese dinners were also far more recent, only 3 months ago.

 

 

 

Mate, we all love a trier but the more you go on the more stupid you are making yourself look. We don't need a bigger stadium and nobody has said we are getting one.

Just give it a rest.

[Matthew Le God]

We don't need a bigger stadium and nobody has said we are getting one.

 

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

[Thedelldays]

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

 

he said they are looking into it...and it does not mean it is going to happen any time soon.....if at all

[Turkish]

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

 

and no waiting list, thousands not being turned away every week and crapper matches not selling out show there isn't. Now please give it up.

[egg]

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

 

 

 

Ffs, you're like an old beaten boxer who keeps getting up despite having the **** kicked out of him every time he does. Plucky but stupid.

 

I'm not gonna indulge you by making the points that have been made very well above.

[The Kraken]

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

 

Oh dear me. A blatant refusal to look facts in the face!

 

Cortese has said (in that very interview above) that they are looking at plans for a whole host of things. They are planning for "what if" scenarios. And he'd be silly not to. I imagine he has commissioned many studies into how the stadium COULD be increased. How we could go from 32K to 36K, from 32K to 40K, and from 32K to 45K. He's also probably looked at the potential for a new stadium.

 

Just because he's looking at how it COULD happen, it really doesn't mean it WILL happen. It's called a feasibility study.

[slickmick]

Cortese has said they have plans for one and numerous sell outs long in advance of matches/30k+ averages show one is needed.

 

Has he ? Link ? Its all ifs and maybe's at the moment. If we become a regular top four team then maybe gatess averaging 38k would be acheivable, until then you are hanging on the very big words of a man who has yet to prove his words.

[Trader]

I think it is obvious from the last 2 seasons that we have a core support of approx 22000 fans.

 

If we got a new stadium and sold 45000 tickets for each match, that means that most of the spectators have only turned up to watch the OTHER TEAM.

 

Not a very healthy situation really.

 

Of course it'll never happen - Southampton is a small provincial city even with our "massive" catchment area.

 

We will never compete in attendance terms with the big city clubs.

 

London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle and a few other cities are massive and have huge support built up over generations.

 

We can't compete attendance-wise just by building a bigger ground - and I think that an Italian or Swiss or whatever he is won't really understand that just as he hasn't understood much of English football culture just looking at his database.

[Wes Tender]

But arguably this was our most important game ever. The club were begging for money and to sell out. Those 8,000 extra sold seats would have brought another £200k into the club, I'd have thought this clubs massive fan base and catchment area coupled with the club pleading with people to turn out would have encouraged everyone to come out for this one, 32k would be easy to sell out for a game such as this when we have this many sitting at home on saturdays at the moment. in addition to the fans that do go.

 

I'll tell you were some of those supporters were who absented themselves in your so-called hour of need. They boycotted Lowe and the Quisling, realising that the most effective way to get rid of them, was to cease paying their hard-earned money into their pockets. You say that you remember the Branfoot era; well, then you'll understand how effective a boycott can be. As to how many boycotted, who knows? But I was one of them towards the end of that season, even though I had a paid ST. We were getting higher attendances in the third division last season than we got under that last Lowe/Wilde season with the Dutch jokers, so what does that suggest to you about the number of potential supporters who stayed away?

 

It was a high-risk strategy, as we didn't know what we would get in their place, but we struck lucky and ridded ourselves of Askham, Richards and all of the other charlatans who held shares too.

 

Anyway, the point is, that for this reason, comparisons of our attendances from the former era as a guide to what we could achieve now, are pointless.

[Thedelldays]

I think it is obvious from the last 2 seasons that we have a core support of approx 22000 fans.

 

If we got a new stadium and sold 45000 tickets for each match, that means that most of the spectators have only turned up to watch the OTHER TEAM.

 

Not a very healthy situation really.

 

Of course it'll never happen - Southampton is a small provincial city even with our "massive" catchment area.

 

We will never compete in attendance terms with the big city clubs.

 

London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle and a few other cities are massive and have huge support built up over generations.

 

We can't compete attendance-wise just by building a bigger ground - and I think that an Italian or Swiss or whatever he is won't really understand that just as he hasn't understood much of English football culture just looking at his database.

what the hell does that mean...

 

you mention newcastle..yet it does not have much more (in population) that southampton.....what an odd post

also, the metropolitan areas of both places are pretty similar...tyne and weir - 1.6m people.....southampton and portsmouth - 1.6m people...

 

what do you mean by provincial...?

Edited 25 June, 2011 by Thedelldays

[Matthew Le God]

I think it is obvious from the last 2 seasons that we have a core support of approx 22000 fans.

 

If we got a new stadium and sold 45000 tickets for each match, that means that most of the spectators have only turned up to watch the OTHER TEAM.

 

Not a very healthy situation really.

 

Of course it'll never happen - Southampton is a small provincial city even with our "massive" catchment area.

 

We will never compete in attendance terms with the big city clubs.

 

London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle and a few other cities are massive and have huge support built up over generations.

 

We can't compete attendance-wise just by building a bigger ground - and I think that an Italian or Swiss or whatever he is won't really understand that just as he hasn't understood much of English football culture just looking at his database.

 

Look at Sunderland before the Stadium of Light. Averages under 20k throughout the 1980's and 1990's. Move to a 40k+ stadium and get 40k averages. Are they not a provincial club/city from a less affluent area?

 

Sunderland had just under 10,000 season ticket holders when they moved to a 42,000 stadium (which later expanded to 49,000).

Edited 25 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Trader]

Look at Sunderland historically at Ayresome Park - that's what I mean about a culture built up over generations.

 

Saints were never - and will never - be that big.

 

In these Northern cities it's in the blood.

 

Not too many people there go to gymkhanas of a Saturday.

[The Kraken]

Look at Sunderland historically at Ayresome Park - that's what I mean about a culture built up over generations.

 

Saints were never - and will never - be that big.

 

In these Northern cities it's in the blood.

 

Not too many people there go to gymkhanas of a Saturday.

 

Sunderland played at Roker Park mate....

[Trader]

Sorry - slip of the mind - but Roker Park record attendance of over 75000.

 

Ayresome Park and Middlesbrough just strengthens the argument though.

 

Record attendance over 53000.

[Matthew Le God]

Look at Sunderland historically at Ayresome Park - that's what I mean about a culture built up over generations.

 

Saints were never - and will never - be that big.

 

In these Northern cities it's in the blood.

 

Not too many people there go to gymkhanas of a Saturday.

 

Where was this build up during the generation of the 1980's and 1990's at Roker Park? If you go back further, that is a different generation and thus less relevant.

 

The averaged under 20k throughout and had under 10k season ticket holders, yet they now average 40k.

[Matthew Le God]

Sorry - slip of the mind - but Roker Park record attendance of over 75000.

 

Ayresome Park and Middlesbrough just strengthens the argument though.

 

Record attendance over 53000.

 

Completely irrelevant because a different age of football support 70 to 80 years ago! Throughout the generation of the 1980's and 1990's they averaged under 20k with 10k season ticket holders.

[Thedelldays]

Completely irrelevant because a different age of football support many years ago. Throughout the generation of the 1980's and 1990's they averaged under 20k with 10k season ticket holders.

 

give up...ffs

[Matthew Le God]

give up...ffs

 

What is wrong with my post? He was quoting Sunderland attendances of 80 years ago in the 1930's and ignoring their recent history of sub 20k attendances (and sub 10k season ticket holders) before they moved stadium where they now get 40k averages.

Edited 25 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[70's Mike]

i must be missing something if we have money to burn lets spend it getting into the premiership and staying there.

risking money to expand the stadium without our share of skys pot would be lunacy, the strength of this club has always been a very stable hardcore but in the current economic climate i believe we would struggle to fill SMS for games against Wolves, Bolton,Qpr,Norwich,Wigan, Swansea,Sunderland and Everton

[S-Clarke]

jesus MLG, it's a nice day - take a wander outside.

[Thedelldays]

What is wrong with my post? He was quoting Sunderland attendances of 80 years ago in the 1930's and ignoring their recent history of sub 20k attendances (and sub 10k season ticket holders) before they moved stadium where they now get 40k averages.

 

its the way you keep going on till submission....just give it a rest..stop being so pedantic and stop correcting every single post you feel in inaccurate

[Matthew Le God]

jesus MLG, it's a nice day - take a wander outside.

 

I'm not the only person debating this, so why do you only address this to me? Those on the other side of the argument are continuing this just as much as I am.

 

its the way you keep going on till submission....just give it a rest..stop being so pedantic and stop correcting every single post you feel in inaccurate

 

Is that not exactly what you are doing but from the other side of the debate? Every post I make you attempt to take apart and vice versa.

 

[Thedelldays]

at the end oft he day....we may fill a 100k stadium....we may add an extra section to the kingsland stand....

all of which are a bit daft to think about doing know having only just won promotion from division 3 and in no way will work start on anything any time in the near/medium future...

 

so round and round we go

[Trader]

What is wrong with my post? He was quoting Sunderland attendances of 80 years ago in the 1930's and ignoring their recent history of sub 20k attendances (and sub 10k season ticket holders) before they moved stadium where they now get 40k averages.

 

That's the whole point - they and numerous other big city clubs have THE HISTORY.

 

We don't - got it?

 

Btw - they moved from Roker Park because it was "no longer big enough"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_A.F.C.

[Matthew Le God]

all of which are a bit daft to think about doing know having only just won promotion from division 3 and in no way will work start on anything any time in the near/medium future.

 

Why is it daft to think about now? Saints don't as a Championship side need a training facility anywhere near as good as the one currently under construction. It is being built because that is what Cortese thinks the club will be require should it reach where he intends to take it.

[Thedelldays]

Why is it daft to think about now? Saints don't as a Championship side need a training facility anywhere near as good as the one currently under construction. It is being built because that is what Cortese thinks the club will be require should it reach where he intends to take it.

 

yeah we can think about it all day if you like...nothing is going to happen anytime soon..that I am confident..

[Matthew Le God]

That's the whole point - they and numerous other big city clubs have THE HISTORY.

 

We don't - got it?

 

Btw - they moved from Roker Park because it was "no longer big enough"

 

You were talking about history, yet few of their support today ever went to the stadium in the times of huge crowds. The recent history of sub 20k crowds and sub 10k season tickets in the nearly 20 year period (or generation) before they moved to the Stadium of Light an 40k averages carries far more weight and relevance.

[Matthew Le God]

yeah we can think about it all day if you like...nothing is going to happen anytime soon..that I am confident..

 

Did you think in the summer of 2009 when Saints were a League One side on -10 points that by 2011 Saints would have a state of the art training ground under construction that wouldn't look out of place at a Champions League side and category one academy?

 

How confident would you have been in 2009 that it wouldn't happen? Yet it has...

[Thedelldays]

Did you think in the summer of 2009 when Saints were a League One side on -10 points that by 2011 Saints would have a state of the art training ground under construction that wouldn't look out of place at a Champions League side and category one academy?

 

give up mate..I have offered to donate a sizable amount of cash if I am proved wrong....

[Trader]

OK - MLG you win.

 

Black IS white and white IS black.

 

Now for the sake of everyones sanity, shut the f*ck up.

[slickmick]

You were talking about history, yet few of their support today ever went to the stadium in the times of huge crowds. The recent history of sub 20k crowds and sub 10k season tickets in the nearly 20 year period (or generation) before they moved to the Stadium of Light an 40k averages carries far more weight and relevance.

 

stop making a fool of yourself.

[Matthew Le God]

give up mate..I have offered to donate a sizable amount of cash if I am proved wrong....

 

Answer the question.

 

I bet you wouldn't have thought it likely. But it has happened.

[slickmick]

OK - MLG you win.

 

Black IS white and white IS black.

 

Now for the sake of everyones sanity, shut the f*ck up.

 

Plus 1.

[Matthew Le God]

stop making a fool of yourself.

 

A fool makes statements like that when he can't counter a point put to him. How can you consider attendances of 80 years ago more relevant than those of the nearly 20 years building upto their move into the Stadium of Light?

[Thedelldays]

Answer the question.

 

I bet you wouldn't have thought it likely. But it has happened.

mate, just fuk off...I could not care less if they have spent £1m on the training ground...it has nothing to do with saints needing/wanting/building and extra 10k+ seats on SMS.....

 

I will worry about needing this if..and quite frankly a BIG IF we ever get back to the prem and I cannot get a ticket for more than 3 games a season

[Matthew Le God]

mate, just fuk off...I could not care less if they have spent £1m on the training ground...it has nothing to do with saints needing/wanting/building and extra 10k+ seats on SMS.....

 

I will worry about needing this if..and quite frankly a BIG IF we ever get back to the prem and I cannot get a ticket for more than 3 games a season

 

My question was in response to this post by you...

 

all of which are a bit daft to think about doing know having only just won promotion from division 3 and in no way will work start on anything any time in the near/medium future.

 

Thus you thinking just because Saints are newly promoted they shouldn't plan and build for things they don't need right now.

 

So yes it is relevant and you took my post out of the context it was written in. Which was after all a response to you claiming the club won't plan ahead and act on things it doesn't at the moment need but may in the future. This can be applied in the same way to a stadium improvement.

[Trader]

Mods - can we have Deppo back instead?

[Thedelldays]

My question was in response to this post by you...

 

 

 

Thus you thinking just because Saints are newly promoted they shouldn't plan and build for things they don't need right now.

 

So yes it is relevant and you took my post out of the context it was written in. Which was after all a response to you claiming the club won't plan ahead and act on things it doesn't at the moment need but may in the future. This can be applied in the same way to a stadium improvement.

building 10k extra seats right now......yes, they should not bother

and no matter what anal stats you pull out of the air...it wont ever convince me otherwise right now..so please, save your effort

[The Kraken]

God almighty MLG, let it go.

 

The link you provided to Cortese's interview has already demonstrated that the club are considering a whole range of things for the future, that may or may not involve increasing the capacity of St. Mary's, or may or may not involve relocation to a new stadium. And, in Cortese's own words, its far too early to think about doing them right now.

 

I really don't know what more there is to discuss on that matter. You have the words of the chairman and what he intends to do. End of story.

[Matthew Le God]

building 10k extra seats right now......yes, they should not bother

 

But unlike us, they know for sure if the club will see investment over the coming years (and to what level). Investment in the team and success on the pitch will bring in the crowds, Saints have never been above a mid table team in the Premier League and even then it was only briefly in consecutive years. If the owners know that they will be funding for successful Premier League campaigns it is worth investing in infrastructure for the long term now.

 

Jez Moxey at Wolves even made the statement that now is the ideal time to make such investments due to the costs being lower. Wolves decided to make the redevelopment of their stadium go ahead this summer regardless of relegation as infrastructure is for the long term and will benefit the club.

[Matthew Le God]

The link you provided to Cortese's interview has already demonstrated that the club are considering a whole range of things for the future, that may or may not involve increasing the capacity of St. Mary's, or may or may not involve relocation to a new stadium. And, in Cortese's own words, its far too early to think about doing them right now.

 

I really don't know what more there is to discuss on that matter. You have the words of the chairman and what he intends to do. End of story.

 

I pointed out to you that interview that interview is now 15 months old and the club has since been promoted to one division below the top flight. "Too early" then (15 months ago), but may not so much apply now or relatively soon.

[Thedelldays]

I pointed out to you that interview that interview is now 15 months old and the club has since been promoted to one division below the top flight.

 

could not care less

[Matthew Le God]

could not care less

 

I wasn't responding to you.