Stadium Developments

[Turkish]

That season saw an average of 31,699, clearly showing demand outstripped supply and St Mary's was too small! Had it been bigger more would have gone to a large number of those games. The club could have sold a lot more than 32k for Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Leeds, Liverpool, Chelsea etc games.

 

It was also not achieved by investment in the club at board level as I indicated. More down to good management on Strachan's part on a very tight budget.

 

If Strachan had Cortese/Liebherr behind him in 2002/03 imagine what could have been achieved and how how ticket demand could have been!

 

Regardless of the reasons why it was still our most successful season in a lot of our fans lives. I dont doubt that on occasions we might have got more than 32k, maybe even edged high 30's for biggest games as a one off but anyone that thnks we are going to get bigger crowds than 18 times league champions and one of the worlds biggeest clubs in Liverpool is mental.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Here we go people, last seasons attendances in the PL. For those of you that think we are going to get 45k average crowd and 50k in some cases one look at this should give you deluded clowns a dose of reality. 50k would ive us the 4th highest crowd in England and a 45k average would make us have bigger crowds than Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Tottenham, all far bigger clubs than we are. Now please can you all shut the f*ck up about us getting crowds of 50k, anyone that thinks we are the 4th best supported club in England is f*cking mental.

http://www.emfootball.co.uk/attend.html

 

Wind your neck in - you've got no vision of what COULD be, so does that make you small minded?

[Matthew Le God]

Here we go people, last seasons attendances in the PL. For those of you that think we are going to get 45k average crowd and 50k in some cases one look at this should give you deluded clowns a dose of reality. 50k would ive us the 4th highest crowd in England and a 45k average would make us have bigger crowds than Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa and Tottenham, all far bigger clubs than we are. Now please can you all shut the f*ck up about us getting crowds of 50k, anyone that thinks we are the 4th best supported club in England is f*cking mental.

 

anyone that thnks we are going to get bigger crowds than 18 times league champions and one of the worlds biggeest clubs in Liverpool is mental.

 

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it assumes, Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Villa are at their maximum at the moment.

 

The fact is, all four are looking to expand their stadiums because they are currently too small!

 

Also as a side note, between 1985 and 1995, Chelsea in the top flight averaged less than Saints did in League One in 2010/11. Once people started to invest in Chelsea their support shot up!

[Turkish]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it assumes, Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Villa are at their maximum at the moment.

 

The fact is, all four are looking to expand their stadiums because they are currently too small!

 

Also as a side note, between 1985 and 1995, Chelsea in the top flight averaged less than Saints did in League One in 2010/11. Once people started to invest in Chelsea their support shot up!

 

Of course your logic is perfectly reasonable though that we sold out a 32k 6 years ago, then obviously we would average 13k more now and be the 4th best supported club in the country.

 

As for Chelsea dont make me laugh, they are traditionally one of the biggest and most fashionable clubs in England. Chelseas record attendance ever is 82k, the support has always been there, i'd imagine in the 80's and 90s a combination of their reputation as one of the worst clubs for hooliganism, electric fences, crap football and Ken Bates kept them away.

[Turkish]

Wind your neck in - you've got no vision of what COULD be, so does that make you small minded?

 

Yes we COULD get 50k, we could get 1/2 a million evey week if everybody in Southampton and the surrounding areas became season ticket holders and went every week. It could happen, but realism and not be a deluded **** says it wont.

[Matthew Le God]

Of course your logic is perfectly reasonable though that we sold out a 32k 6 years ago, then obviously we would average 13k more now and be the 4th best supported club in the country.

 

In terms of supporters at a game yes. But you are ignoring that some of the clubs you listed like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Villa are also restricted by current capacities and even though Saints could say get 45k - Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs could (if their stadium allowed them to) get 60k+.

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Fan CaM]

Yes we COULD get 50k, we could get 1/2 a million evey week if everybody in Southampton and the surrounding areas became season ticket holders and went every week. It could happen, but realism and not be a deluded **** says it wont.

 

There will be a flood of plastic supporters + new ones when we return to the Prem and start winning significant competitions. That's not being deluded. More chance of it happening than your lottery numbers coming in actually, but that doesn't stop you buying them (or your Mum buying them if you're too young). lol

[aintforever]

Comparisons with our last seasons in the Championship are flawed. People were used to Premiership football, so it was a step down. People were ****ed off with Lowe and there was a dark cloud hanging over the club.

 

The club now has a feel good factor, is on the up and we'll soon be the South's top club again. With a sensible pricing policy, a large away contigent, 42,000 is realistic, IMHO.

 

The one game we sold over 32K tickets for (Southend) was when Lowe wasn't there and we reached the play-offs and prices were cheap. Even then we only managed one sell out, not exactly demand for a bigger ground.

[Turkish]

In terms of supporters at a game yes. But you are ignoring that some of the clubs you listed like Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Villa are also restricted by current capacities and even though Saints could say get 45k, they could (if their stadium allowed them to) get 60k+.

 

Villa and Liverpools average was 10% and 5% below their biggest crowds. I appreciate Chelsea and Spurs are restricted by capacity. it's not about them though it's about us. What makes people think we would get bigger crowds than Liverpool? Please can someone explain to me what basis there is for assuming we would get crowds of 45k every week and 50k for "big" games. I cannot think of a single piece of logic that would say that we would average crowds of 13k more than when we had our best season since 1990.

[Matthew Le God]

Villa and Liverpools average was 10% and 5% below their biggest crowds. I appreciate Chelsea and Spurs are restricted by capacity. it's not about them though it's about us. What makes people think we would get bigger crowds than Liverpool? Please can someone explain to me what basis there is for assuming we would get crowds of 45k every week and 50k for "big" games. I cannot think of a single piece of logic that would say that we would average crowds of 13k more than when we had our best season since 1990.

 

Because Cortese has commissioned studies into it and you haven't? Thus he at least has some actual evidence (even though it could be wrong).

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

There will be a flood of plastic supporters + new ones when we return to the Prem and start winning significant competitions. That's not being deluded. More chance of it happening than your lottery numbers coming in actually, but that doesn't stop you buying them (or your Mum buying them if you're too young). lol

 

So your basis for thinking we will have bigger crowds than Liverpool is that there will be a flood of new supporters plus plastics. So what would you call the 10k that went to premier league but dont bother anymore? So wee are going to find another 27,000 extra plastics/new fans every week to add to the 23k or so regulars. I cant wait, we'll have more new/plastic fans at SMS than Stoke, Birmingham and Fulham have total fans at their grounds! What a fanstastically supported club we are.

[Sour Mash]

There is a very real potential for us to fill a 45k stadium in about 10 years time. That's the minimum amount of time it will take for us to fulfill Markus' grand plan and be eating at footballs top table regularly. If everything comes together as expected, this club will easily be able to compete in every conceivable way with the top 10 clubs in Europe - a stadium with a capacity of anything less than 45k will not fit in with those plans. Believe me - in ten years there will be waiting lists again too (perhaps not a bad thing) which is why I will never give up my ST.

 

Of course, none of us "know", but how likely do you think it is that the bit I have highlighted will actually happen?

[Thedelldays]

Because Cortese has commissioned studies into it and you haven't? Thus he at least has some actual evidence (even though it could be wrong).

 

just stop it..stop the pedanticness...just stop.

following saints for 25 years tells us more than a study NC can do

[Matthew Le God]

A larger stadium allows for more flexible pricing structures to help boost numbers. Pretty much West Ham's idea for the 60k Olympic stadium. Maybe it won't work, but Gold, Brady and Sullivan have far more football business than you or I.

[Turkish]

Because Cortese has commissioned studies into it and you haven't? Thus he at least has some actual evidence (even though it could be wrong).

 

A larger stadium allows for more flexible pricing structures to help boost numbers. Pretty much West Ham's idea for the 60k Olympic stadium. Maybe it won't work, but Gold, Brady and Sullivan have far more football business than you or I.

 

But why do YOU think we will get 50k?

[aintforever]

Because Cortese has commissioned studies into it and you haven't? Thus he at least has some actual evidence (even though it could be wrong).

 

Considering he only managed to flog 28K for the massive Man Utd game last season he might want to have a re-study.

[Matthew Le God]

following saints for 25 years tells us more than a study NC can do

 

Following Saints in a stadium restricted to 15k for much of the 1990's actually tells us very little.

 

What it does show however, is that Saints maxed out a 15k stadium in the Premier League from 1992 to 2001 and then also maxed out a 32k stadium from 2001 to 2005.

[Thedelldays]

Following Saints in a stadium restricted to 15k for much of the 1990's actually tells us very little.

 

What it does show however, is that Saints maxed out a 15k stadium in the Premier League from 1992 to 2001 and then also maxed out a 32k stadium from 2001 to 2005.

just stop it ffs....please

we never sold out week in week out when in the prem....most weeks we did but not every week

[Turkish]

Following Saints in a stadium restricted to 15k for much of the 1990's actually tells us very little.

 

What it does show however, is that Saints maxed out a 15k stadium in the Premier League from 1992 to 2001 and then also maxed out a 32k stadium from 2001 to 2005.

 

Well on that basis why not go the whole hog and expand up to 100k? We'd fill it, according to your logic all it needs is flexible ticketing prices, bit of investment, good academy etc.

[Matthew Le God]

Considering he only managed to flog 28K for the massive Man Utd game last season he might want to have a re-study.

 

Not the best example to compare with a Premier League Saints vs Man Utd game because that FA Cup match...

 

- was to watch a League One side (with some players rested) vs a Man Utd reserve team

- was tied to a League One game against Carlisle United and would potentially cost an adult £57+ in total

[Turkish]

Not the best example to compare with a Premier League game Saints vs Man Utd game because that FA Cup game...

 

- was to watch a League One side (with some players rested) vs a Man Utd reserve team

- Tied to a League One game against Carlisle United and would potentially cost an adult £57+ in total

 

not far off the cost of one premier league game at a lot of ground........

[Matthew Le God]

not far off the cost of one premier league game at a lot of ground........

 

How is that relevant when you take into account the other factors I listed?

 

i.e.

 

- It was an FA Cup game live on terrestrial TV.

- The Saints team was a Saints League One team (with some players rested), not a Saints Premier League team

- The Man Utd team was far from full strength.

 

When Saints played Man Utd in the Premier League at St Mary's, it sold out in all four seasons.

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Thedelldays]

stop it MLG...you done have to be so stubborn on every subject

[Turkish]

How is that relevant when you take into account the other factors I listed?

 

i.e.

 

- It was an FA Cup game live on terrestrial TV.

- The Saints team was a Saints League One team, not a Saints Premier League team

- The Man Utd team was far from full strength.

 

When Saints played Man Utd in the Premier League at St Mary's, it sold out in all four seasons.

 

You mentioned the price not me. It's you that thinks we'll have 22,000 extra fans every week than at that game all paying that sort of price for a ticket.

 

and you've still ignored why YOU think we'll get 50k crowds.

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Turkish

[aintforever]

Not the best example to compare with a Premier League Saints vs Man Utd game because that FA Cup match...

 

- was to watch a League One side (with some players rested) vs a Man Utd reserve team

- was tied to a League One game against Carlisle United and would potentially cost an adult £57+ in total

 

I agree the ticket policy was sh!t, but do you seriously think Cortese is going to start handing out tickets for a fiver in the Prem?

[teamsaint]

seriously though....even during our best years in the top flight it was never difficult to get a ticket as a member. I never had a ST at SMS in the Pl and I NEVER missed a game because I couldn't get a ticket through normal channels...my usual route was a fax on the morning they went on sale.

 

If we get back to the PL there probably is scope , theoretically, to expand the capacity a bit...but talk of a 45k stadium is, in my view, nonsense.

villa fail to get close to selling out on a regular basis, (with cheap STs too) and they are bigger, have a huge catchment, and frankly have a better history than us. The same can be said of a few other clubs.

Talk of us competing with the best in europe is also fanciful. there are two levels..safe PL, and champions league. to get to CL level you have to have massive team investment, and a fan base to help fund it... and in england you also have to compete with clubs like Liverpool, Newcastle, citeh, everton, villa, spuds. NC may be aiming high, and all power to him for that,but saints have a "natural" level, and that is, at best, safe upper mid table PL. The odd wonder season maybe, but that is the reality.

[Matthew Le God]

You mentioned the price not me. It's you that thinks we'll have 22,000 extra fans every week than at that game all paying that sort of price for a ticket.

 

- Bigger capacity, more away fans.

- Season ticket prices mean the actual cost per game won't be anywhere near that.

 

I think a 40k to 45k average is realistic if the team is a top half Premier League team, so does the guy you have as an avatar!

[Turkish]

- Bigger capacity, more away fans.

- Season ticket prices mean the actual cost per game won't be anywhere near that.

 

I think a 40k to 45k average is realistic if the team is a top half Premier League team, so does the guy you have as an avatar!

 

So what do you think the cost of tickets will be? Do you think when we've paid for the expanded stadium, premier league football and the investment to get us to the top half we'll still "only" be paying £30 a ticket?

 

So you partly agree with my post earlier that the only way to get 50k crowds is to give Manchester United, Arsenal etc 15k away tickets judging by bigger capacity =more away fans.

[Avenue Saint]

- Bigger capacity, more away fans.

- Season ticket prices mean the actual cost per game won't be anywhere near that.

 

I think a 40k to 45k average is realistic if the team is a top half Premier League team, so does the guy you have as an avatar!

 

Agreed

[Matthew Le God]

Just look at Wolves for example, they are increasing Molineux up to roughly 37k over the next few years and potentially to 50k.

 

UEFA rules mean clubs need to maximise turnover, stadium capacities - maybe with pricing structures to help are one of the best ways for a club to increase revenue.

 

Nothing in Wolves attendance history of the last 50 years suggests they are a bigger club than Saints.

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[StVince1966]

st marys was built 8 thousand seats shy! another major major blunder by the fools in charge at the time.At the time the cost of constructing this amount of seating would have been 10% of the cost today once built in general terms we missed a serious opportunity to increase and attract a far larger fan base than we start from in 2011. our stadium in the premier league had 96% occupancy only arsenal manu and west ham have that constant level of support volume in their respected stadia.in simple terms we missed out with a new stadium its potential from day one of construction!

[CB Fry]

- Bigger capacity, more away fans.

- Season ticket prices mean the actual cost per game won't be anywhere near that.

 

I think a 40k to 45k average is realistic if the team is a top half Premier League team, so does the guy you have as an avatar!

 

 

So we're expanding the ground to let more away fans in. Brilliant.

 

You are a freaking nutjob. We'll never expand the ground to that size and thank fu ck we won't because we never have and never will have that kind of fanbase.

 

We're not going to be challenging for the champion's league. Even Villa have given up on that, and we'll see whether Blackburn ever sign Ronaldinho.

 

This, once again, is why real life is a teeeeny bit different to your fantasy world of computer games. Stick to that sunshine because screw me you can't handle reality.

[aintforever]

We would probably need two decades of success, major trophies and European football to average anywhere near 40K.

[Turkish]

So we're expanding the ground to let more away fans in. Brilliant.

 

You are a freaking nutjob. We'll never expand the ground to that size and thank fu ck we won't because we never have and never will have that kind of fanbase.

 

We're not going to be challenging for the champion's league. Even Villa have given up on that, and we'll see whether Blackburn ever sign Ronaldinho.

 

This, once again, is why real life is a teeeeny bit different to your fantasy world of computer games. Stick to that sunshine because screw me you can't handle reality.

 

:lol:

 

Not forgetting the tens of millions of pounds of investment in the team to get us to a top half club and the 10's of millions of pounds of investment to expand the stadium to 50k, yet we are all going to pay less for the priviledge. Brilliant!

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Turkish

[Matthew Le God]

So we're expanding the ground to let more away fans in. Brilliant.

 

I think you will find lots of clubs do that. Peterborough for example next season are building a new away end...

 

 

You are a freaking nutjob. We'll never expand the ground to that size and thank fu ck we won't because we never have and never will have that kind of fanbase.

 

Would you say the same to Cortese, he is the one planning it, not me? I'm sure he hasn't taken the decision lightly as it is not his money.

 

Unlike you or I he isn't plucking potential crowds out of the air and not basing them on at least something in way of the Saints current fanbase, he has access to the ticketing database etc and can build a picture of potential demand.

 

This, once again, is why real life is a teeeeny bit different to your fantasy world of computer games. Stick to that sunshine because screw me you can't handle reality.

 

Once again, resulting to petty insults about computer games.

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

I think you will find lots of clubs do that. Peterborough for example next season are building a new away end...

 

 

 

 

Would you say the same to Cortese, he is the one planning it, not me? I'm sure he hasn't taken the decision lightly as it is not his money.

 

Unlike you or I he isn't plucking potential crowds out of the air and not basing them on at least something in way of the Saints current fanbase, he has access to the ticketing database etc and can build a picture of potential demand.

 

 

 

Once again, resulting to petty insults about computer games.

 

interestingly enough Peterboroughs redevelopment will mean less away fans. From a 4k capacity to 2.5k in that, shame as it's a great away terrace and would have loved us to fill it. I

[Matthew Le God]

You don't build category one academies, state of the art multi million pound quality training grounds etc etc in order to hang around in League One, the Championship, bottom half of the Premier League or mid table in the Premier League. If that were the case they'd settle for a lesser development of the academy and Staplewood or leave it how it is.

 

These aren't just words from Saints owners, they have started to build them. The stadium and developments around it will likely follow in the next few years and planning for these have already been mentioned in the local press and by those at the fans dinners. Many Saints fans have yet to overcome the pessimism of years of things like Branfoot, Lowe, relegation, administration. Cheer up and enjoy the ride!

Edited 21 June, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[CB Fry]

I think you will find lots of clubs do that. Peterborough for example next season are building a new away end...

 

 

 

 

Would you say the same to Cortese, he is the one planning it, not me? I'm sure he hasn't taken the decision lightly as it is not his money.

 

Unlike you or I he isn't plucking potential crowds out of the air and not basing them on at least something in way of the Saints current fanbase, he has access to the ticketing database etc and can build a picture of potential demand.

 

Ummm, can I put on record that I really, really couldn't give a flying frig what Peterborough United are planning. The mighty Posh are expanding eh? Excuse me while I plop plop in my poo-pants.

 

I'd happily call Cortese a nutjob. We will never regularly fill a 50,000 seater stadium and we'd be saddling ourselves with debts which could be better spent on the team.

 

If he wants numbers, Cortese can look at the spreadsheet that points to our original financial meltdown being massively related to the relatively conservative mortgage we had on our current stadium.

 

Many clubs already survive in the middling area of the Premier League on far smaller gates than ours, by spending money on player wages rather than vanity seating.

 

As we already have a perfectly adequate stadium, spending spare revenue on players seems are far more effective strategy that tying finance up in pointless expansion we won't ever fill, or have to fill with Spurs and Liverpool fans on awaydays.

 

As for plucking numbers out of the air, the idea that there is another 10,000 fans desperate to join the 10,000 that disappeared the day we were relegated is pie in the flipping sky. A Craven Cottage full of Saints fans currently washing the car that are suddenly going to be queing round the block for Blackburn at home. Pie in the sky.

 

If he wants to see "potential demand", just look at clubs similar sized to us in the Premier League now and evaluate their attendances. Wolves have dropped a 50,000 ambition into their PR press release but the detail is clearly about phases. 50,000 is a nice little headline but I bet it won't happen. They have a fine history but they aint going to fill 50,000 seats any time soon. This is where you continually fall down. You pontificate cluelessly about how terribly wrong the evil newspapers are but treat official club press releases as the holiest of holy gospel truth as if no agenda, lie, exaggeration or untruth could ever eminate from a football club official.

 

This is are direct result of a life wasted on your little computer game - you have no perspective or grasp of the nuance and realities of live as it is lived. For the love of god, get some fresh air and a piece of fruit. There's a lovely world out there.

[The9]

just stop it..stop the pedanticness...just stop.

following saints for 25 years tells us more than a study NC can do

 

Seeing as MLG has promised to wind in the more pedantic of his posts, allow me to step in and clarify that you mean "pedantry".

 

I'm not so sure there's been a survey, or what it says, but the long and short of it is that a regularly successful side at the top of English football with competitively priced tickets for big games could probably sell out a 60k stadium in Southampton for the big matches maybe once a year, but a mid-table side with £40 tickets playing the likes of Wigan isn't going to get much interest. Pricing and relative success are the keys, and they're pretty vague concepts to be basing a big cost like building a bigger stadium on.

 

It's not like we've got a waiting list for STs like we had at the Dell - the numbers are guesswork at best and the pricing factor could make all the difference.

 

To show the effect of pricing on casual fans, Wales sold out the Milennium Stadium numerous times in 2000-2002 when they were charging £10 a ticket and were relatively successful, but as soon as the price went up to £15 with a booking fee (and the team went back to being average at best) the crowds went through the floor.

[The Kraken]

Anyone who thinks we need a 45K -50K stadium is a bit mental. The only way we'd fill that would be to let in huge numbers of away fans; that's just not going to happen. Besides, there's probably only 5 or 6 clubs that would bring more than 7K or 8K away fans, if the tickets were available.

 

A larger stadium wouldn't impinge on the number of away fans who would come to matches, by the rules anyway. Premier League rules dictate 10% of the stadium capacity or 3,000 seats be made available to away fans, whichever is lowest. So any stadium capacity increase would have no bearing on how many extra tickets we'd have to provide for away teams.

 

With that in mind, it's sheer folly to suggest there are up to an extra 18,000 fans who would just come out of the woodwork and attend every game. Not going to happen.

 

The best case scenario (IMO at least) is for a stadium increase to 40K. With a mid-table or above team I think we'd fill this against Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Man City. After that, maybe looking at up to 36K against the likes of Villa and Newcastle (again, if we're mid-table or above). Games against Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland, Wolves, West Brom, we'd be doing well to get 32K.

[Mattio]

I love that people actually believed my post about expanding the stadium by 3k+ seats for 60 million, double the cost of the stadium

[Tamesaint]

I love that people actually believed my post about expanding the stadium by 3k+ seats for 60 million, double the cost of the stadium

 

LOL

 

Anyone who disagreed with you would probably have been called "****i ng mental" by Turkish.

[djharvey]

You don't build category one academies, state of the art multi million pound quality training grounds etc etc in order to hang around in League One, the Championship, bottom half of the Premier League or mid table in the Premier League. If that were the case they'd settle for a lesser development of the academy and Staplewood or leave it how it is.

 

These aren't just words from Saints owners, they have started to build them. The stadium and developments around it will likely follow in the next few years and planning for these have already been mentioned in the local press and by those at the fans dinners. Many Saints fans have yet to overcome the pessimism of years of things like Branfoot, Lowe, relegation, administration. Cheer up and enjoy the ride!

 

I was going to say that! +1

[djharvey]

I love that people actually believed my post about expanding the stadium by 3k+ seats for 60 million, double the cost of the stadium

 

I love the fact that you decided to write this after realising what you originaly wrote was complete nonsense!

[Neil]

I hope that the 5-year plan includes expanding St Mary's, even if it's just to 40,000 to start with. This would be a great legacy from Marcus Liebherr and his family.

 

The current capacity of 32,000 will hold us back in the longer term, I'm sure that Cortese has got the stadium on his agenda and is working on things behind the scenes, but it will take a while.

[Mattio]

Haha I've seen enough of these posts to know not to post anything serious or risk being shot down in a million pieces by certain pendants!

[STEVEADAMS]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it assumes, Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Villa are at their maximum at the moment.

 

The fact is, all four are looking to expand their stadiums because they are currently too small!

 

Also as a side note, between 1985 and 1995, Chelsea in the top flight averaged less than Saints did in League One in 2010/11.

Once people started to invest in Chelsea their support shot up!

 

Some common sense, we will need a bigger stadium.

[STEVEADAMS]

Agreed

 

Agreed

[The9]

Haha I've seen enough of these posts to know not to post anything serious or risk being shot down in a million pieces by certain pendants!

 

Good use of "pendant", to be encouraged, and I do, usually. I stayed away from it this time due to the implicit use of irony, as I suspect you should have with the video.

[MarkSFC]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because it assumes, Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Villa are at their maximum at the moment.

 

The fact is, all four are looking to expand their stadiums because they are currently too small!

 

Also as a side note, between 1985 and 1995, Chelsea in the top flight averaged less than Saints did in League One in 2010/11. Once people started to invest in Chelsea their support shot up!

 

 

for once I totally agree with you. Luckily the person in charge of our club has real vision. 40-45k stadium is probably realistic for us and in 10 years should have us in ir around the top 10 stadiums.

 

If Chelsea had been outside of London I gaurantee that Roman would not have touched them and they may well have gone other.