Wes Tender Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 If we wanted CMS and did not get him I think Cortese is the mug To get decent players you have to pay the going rate What is the going rate? The player did well at the level he played at, but is untested in the division above. The going rate is what some club is willing to pay for him.
hypochondriac Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 What is the going rate? The player did well at the level he played at, but is untested in the division above. The going rate is what some club is willing to pay for him. No he isn't. Got a good return in a struggling posh side in the npc.
shurlock Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 If we wanted CMS and did not get him I think Cortese is the mug To get decent players you have to pay the going rate And what is the going rate? CMS value is based on the prospect of him getting goals at a higher level; yet to date he's only really done the business in L1 (with a few goals in the NPC; but its not as if teams were breaking down the door to get him after they were relegated). As such the going rate could be any number of things? A star player in L1? A competent championship performer? Or a goal machine in the prem? All depends on how far you thinkg he'll go and that's unknowable at this stage. No doubt Fry and MacAnthony who make the porn barons at West Ham look ethical will like you to think he'll go on to win the world cup for Scotland; but I bet you that whatever he goes for ends up being closer to our initial valuation than theirs. Alas we'll never know.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 We've got a thread running to over 800 pages in the Lounge regarding the Skates and how they paid, and still are paying stupid wages and transfer fees for players. NC knows what we can afford, and along with other football people at the club make a decision on the value of any targets.I would much rather spend what we can afford than end up like Hull City, has the past 5 years not taught us anything?
Cabrone Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 If we wanted CMS and did not get him I think Cortese is the mug To get decent players you have to pay the going rate I would have thought that after the financial mismanagement which almost extinguished this club that supporters would be weary of paying silly money. Seems I was wrong. This is how it works: 1. Posh want OTT money. 2. Saints make low bid. 3. If both parties are still interested then they meet somewhere that is mutually agreeable in the middle. Obviously in this case the two parties could not agree. I'm just glad we have a chairman that doesn't pay OTT knee jerk fees which the club lives to regret - been there, bought the T-shirt. Just trust the guy - he's no mug.
doddisalegend Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 (edited) Neither am I Top 5 in five years is highly unlikely in my opinion without out spending £300m on transfer fees and loads more on wages Where is the money coming fromSince the sad death of Marcus we have spent feck all despite bidding for some players apparently ticket prices expect a 1000% increase when we reach the promised land........... 2000% for anyone over 60.... Edited 21 June, 2011 by doddisalegend
doddisalegend Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Now we're calling the chairman a mug without knowing the details of our finances? Do we learn nothing from administration? I agree. The problem is on the one hand we have talk of champions league and pushing for top five PL on the other we have have the need to live with in our means I can't see the two being compatible. To do the former we need to spend like Man city to do the latter is easy but won't IMO bring CL football to SMS. Personally I'm happy with being a champ team in good finicial nick........I know others want more though.
The9 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Cue MLG posting exactly what little fees we have spent in his tiring and pedantic manner. That would at least inform the argument.
The9 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Er - which bit of the five year plan has not been achieved within the timescale he set? As the five year plan is for a return to the Premier League he hasn't achieved any of it.
The9 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 What is the going rate? The player did well at the level he played at, but is untested in the division above. The going rate is what some club is willing to pay for him. Mackail-Smith played in the Championship in 2009/10 - and used it as motivation to improve himself when back in League One in 2010/11, to the point that his former manager on returning to the club hugely praised the improvement in his game, calling him "unrecognisable" or something similar. As he's now signed for a recently-promoted Prem side I suspect he's going for the same approach again. Either way, if we were going to sign the leading scorer in the division from a divisional rival when clubs higher up the league were known to be interested, we'd need to do better than a bid which was described as "embarrassing", further negotiation or not.
Crazy Diamond Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Cue MLG posting exactly what little fees we have spent in his tiring and pedantic manner. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is bored of that.
The9 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 I'm glad I'm not the only one who is bored of that. Sometimes he winds me up doing it, sometimes he provides useful perspective or debunks some of the more ill-advised posts. Pays your money, takes your choice.
St_Tel49 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 As the five year plan is for a return to the Premier League he hasn't achieved any of it. Oh! I didn't realise we were still in League 1
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Sometimes he winds me up doing it, sometimes he provides useful perspective or debunks some of the more ill-advised posts. Pays your money, takes your choice. It is very much a hit and miss posting style. I'll try to rein in the overly pedantic posts.
Wes Tender Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 No he isn't. Got a good return in a struggling posh side in the npc. I forgot that Posh had that season in the Championship; I just don't associate them with that level. However, I'd hardly call his 11 goals a good return for a whole season. Perhaps if he'd been putting them away at the rate he did last season, they wouldn't have struggling. Arguably, Lambert had been producing a more consistent return when we picked him up for a million, so on that basis, CMS doesn't appear to be worth a bid much higher. But if some clubs are prepared the splash their loot and gamble on a player producing the goods at a higher level, then good luck to them. We can't complain about it when top clubs are battling for the signature of our 17 year old kid.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 I forgot that Posh had that season in the Championship; I just don't associate them with that level. However, I'd hardly call his 11 goals a good return for a whole season. Perhaps if he'd been putting them away at the rate he did last season, they wouldn't have struggling. McGoldrick scored more in a worse team when we went down?
Wes Tender Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 McGoldrick scored more in a worse team when we went down? Yes, you're right. 14 I believe. That puts some sort of perspective onto the CMS situation, doesn't it?
Scudamore Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 No way to talk about Craig's grandmother now is it really?
NickG Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 Don't think he would have been worth anywhere near the money We would have had to pay in Jan. Probably in better position to spend the money better now
Pat from Poole Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 McGoldrick scored more in a worse team when we went down? McGoldrick is a bag of sheight though.
OldNick Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 our bid was before all the hype about CMS. It was a case that we spotted the talent and tried to get him before the inflated prices started.
NickG Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 His goals weren't a secret, 4m for league 1 player, of his age, with one year left on contract, one good season, who We didn't particularly need would have been silly
Window Cleaner Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 our bid was before all the hype about CMS. It was a case that we spotted the talent and tried to get him before the inflated prices started. We probably offered them Pulis and a fiver( paid in 4 instalments) though.
The9 Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 (edited) Oh! I didn't realise we were still in League 1 We're not, we're not in the Premier League either. It's logical to assume getting into the Championship first was the plan (in fact it's impossible not to do that first), but we have no idea what the timescale is for that element, and if the only detail we do know is the end goal, then that's all we can judge against. Edited 21 June, 2011 by The9
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2011 Posted 21 June, 2011 We're not, we're not in the Premier League either. It's logical to assume getting into the Championship first was the plan (in fact it's impossible not to do that first), but we have no idea what the timescale is for that element, and if the only detail we do know is the end goal, then that's all we can judge against. From a positive Hypochondriac last month... I have a source at SFC (have posted about him before) and had some lunch with him yesterday where he filled me in on some positive stuff. Cortese has a new five year plan which involves us being top five in the Premier League.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 Cortese was absolutely correct making a low bid, good to see that he isn't going to get mugged off by some of the clowns that run clubs in this country (just take a look at football finances if you want confirmation). For example how much are Hull paying for Jimmy Bullard?? Forget about the BS words, it's all about Saints to paying as little as they can and Posh getting as much as they can. That's the dance and Cortese appears to know how to tango. I have a feeling he likes to dance alone in front of a mirror.
Saint_clark Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 As the five year plan is for a return to the Premier League he hasn't achieved any of it. Once again - the 5 year plan is NOT just about the team getting to the Prem, it's about reshaping the entire club and all of it's facilities. This is highlighted by Cortese saying that we were ahead of schedule on the 5 year plan half way through last season.
The9 Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 From a positive Hypochondriac last month... So we haven't achieved any of the new plan then.
The9 Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 Once again - the 5 year plan is NOT just about the team getting to the Prem, it's about reshaping the entire club and all of it's facilities. This is highlighted by Cortese saying that we were ahead of schedule on the 5 year plan half way through last season. First I've heard of it...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 So we haven't achieved any of the new plan then. I think you will find the club is now in a higher league, and thus closer to its target than it was 12 months ago.
StVince1966 Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 ive seen swiss billionaires before?they dont spend money like russian or arab billionaires! they hate spending just counting it!
djharvey Posted 22 June, 2011 Posted 22 June, 2011 First I've heard of it... Yeah, who is this Cortese you speak of? and whats this about a plan? lol
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