Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13828800 I do not agree with him on a lot of what he said, but I have to admire the way he managed to stay there, the courage with which he stood up for what he believed in even when faced with the full might of the law. R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 bit of a weirdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?30850-Peace-campaigner-dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 bit of a weirdo That's subjective. I think it's a crying shame the way the police and our government tried to rid themselves of him over the years. Everyone should have to right to protest outside our parliament, whenever they want, regardless of opinion or length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?30850-Peace-campaigner-dies Woops, my bad. Mods, merge or lock this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 That's subjective. I think it's a crying shame the way the police and our government tried to rid themselves of him over the years. Everyone should have to right to protest outside our parliament, whenever they want, regardless of opinion or length. not really...cant think of a worse place than having a bunch of hippies pitching up to live...would you allow him in your front garden..I suspect not respect for his stubborness I guess... all for nothing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 not really...cant think of a worse place than having a bunch of hippies pitching up to live...would you allow him in your front garden..I suspect not respect for his stubborness I guess... all for nothing though That's a ridiculous parallel... 1. It doesn't matter who they are or what they believe in. They should be allowed to protest there. 2. My front garden isn't the houses of parliament and so is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 (edited) not really...cant think of a worse place than having a bunch of hippies pitching up to live...would you allow him in your front garden..I suspect not respect for his stubborness I guess... all for nothing though 1. Why do you call him a hippie? 2. He wasn't camping on private property. Last time I looked, College Green was a public space. 3. Whether or not you agree with him, you have to admire his tenacity and his willingness to stand up for freedom of speech. Edit: as Andy says above Edited 19 June, 2011 by bridge too far snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 1. Why do you call him a hippie? 2. He wasn't camping on private property. Last time I looked, College Green was a public space. 3. Whether or not you agree with him, you have to admire his tenacity and his willingness to stand up for freedom of speech. 1. because I can 2. so would be the pathway right out side your front door...would you "admire" him then..? 3. yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 1. because I can 2. so would be the pathway right out side your front door...would you "admire" him then..? 3. yes Again, it's a ridiculous parallel to make as our houses aren't the houses of parliament! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 10 years of protesting, what a great achievement. Whatever your views on the guy, you have to admire that commitment. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Hitler stuck to his guns for years. Whatever you think of the guy, you have to admire that commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Hitler stuck to his guns for years. Whatever you think of the guy, you have to admire that commitment. Not quite in the same ball-park, but I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Not quite in the same ball-park, but I see your point. It's the way my trousers ruck up, sorry. Back on subject, I do sort of admire his commitment although I'm not sure that flogging the same horse for ten years is the most effective way of making a point. Having said that, plenty of tourists and sightseers will have passed the protest and I guess he may have lit a fire in some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Hitler stuck to his guns for years. Whatever you think of the guy, you have to admire that commitment. You're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 You're better than that. Better than what? It's a concise and devastating dismantling of the argument that you must admire someone's commitment to a long-standing cause irrespective of the merits of the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Better than what? It's a concise and devastating dismantling of the argument that you must admire someone's commitment to a long-standing cause irrespective of the merits of the cause. No, comparing a protest about a war with a man who led the world to war. If you couldn't work that out yourself then you're not as bright as I gave you credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 (edited) As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. And have a catholic monarchy you mean and come under the sway of a foreign power? Of course, you knew that was the aim of the plot. Won't want you to look silly now would we. Edited 19 June, 2011 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Personally I thought he looked like a right scruffy bugger and his "camp" was a deffo eye sore but fair play to him for sticking to his guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 (edited) As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. Why is it unpatriotic to support freedom of speech and protest?! Authority should always be scrutinised and questioned. Power must be check to power. Edited 19 June, 2011 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Brian Haw reprsented everything that makes Britain great. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Brian Haw reprsented everything that makes Britain great. RIP F**k me. This place never ceases to amaze me. Fair play Serg'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 And have a catholic monarchy you mean and come under the sway of a foreign power? Of course, you knew that was the aim of the plot. Won't want you to look silly now would we. No, just demolish Parliament, exactly as i said. If I wanted to go into the detail of the gunpowder plot I'd have either gone on a history forum or waited until November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 (edited) No, just demolish Parliament, exactly as i said. If I wanted to go into the detail of the gunpowder plot I'd have either gone on a history forum or waited until November. Then you should know that the only reason they were going to blow up parliament is was because the king was going to be there. He was the target. Don't wanting you getting your analogies all wrong would we. Edited 19 June, 2011 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. Sorry, what exactly does the war in Iraq have to do with "patriotism"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Sorry, what exactly does the war in Iraq have to do with "patriotism"? Many would say that war is the health of the state. If you need to whip up some patriotism and support for the government... find a war. Obviously, this doesn't always work, as seen with Iraq. But look at the Falklands and Thatcher's resulting popularity; and perhaps more recently Sarkozy scrambling to be tough on Libya after his disaster in Tunisia and general low support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 F**k me. This place never ceases to amaze me. Fair play Serg'. I did not share his views but I admired his tenacity to express his opinion and the dedication and passion to which he got his message across. Most of all I took pride in the fact that for the most part he was allowed to do it in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 I did not share his views but I admired his tenacity to express his opinion and the dedication and passion to which he got his message across. Most of all I took pride in the fact that for the most part he was allowed to do it in our country. Exactly the point I am trying to express in this thread, even when the government passed SOCPA which had a clause effectively designed to kick him out of parliament square, he took on the government in court and won. SOCPA really needs to be reviewed now... I think it is bad news that there are restrictions regarding protest around parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. He was symbolic of the very freedoms we should all hold very dear, they have been fought for in blood, sweat and rivers of tears down the years, and I for one find the flippant attitude of some on here regarding peoples rights to democratically and peacefully protest against the state not only disturbing but wholly unpatriotic! How can you argue against speaking out against tyranny and oppression, going to war to be Bush's b*tch, mass unemployment or crippling student debt? Would any of you in the countryside alliance have been doffing your caps to the police as they cracked you over the head with their truncheons? No doubt you'd be turning round to the policeman saying 'awfully sorry officer, I shouldn't be here so you have every right to do whatever you want to me' Speaking out against the things we think are wrong is the very essence of being British. Granted, it has at times been shown by nothing stronger than a letter to The Times, but from small acorns mighty oaks do grow! Brian Haw grew from a small acorn into a sappling, dogged and persistant no matter how much weed killer the government tried to pour over him he resisted and persisted with his protest, he set an example that others will follow, especially in the coming strikes and marches. BTW, for the record I have nothing but admiration for the job that our Armed forces are doing in the various conflict zones around the world, my disagreement is with the politicians who send them there without the power to do little more than show face and who get them involved for the wrong reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 As a patriot I was embarrassed by that horrible scruffy "protest" in one of our most fantastic public spaces. Nothing against the fella personally and its not his fault we pussy foot around his human rights, but think he should have been bulldozed off there. No doubt the unpatriotic apologists on here wish we carried on where guy Fawkes failed and bullboze Parliament and erect a 50 foot statue of the words "Sorry for being so horrible to everyone" instead. As a patriot I was embarrassed that my country was played a considerable part in an illegal war that turned into one of the biggest foreign policy **** ups in history. Thankfully people like Brian Haw were around to show the rest of the world that not everyone in the UK went along with Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 19 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 June, 2011 The real issue I see arising from this thread and from discussions with others is those who agree with him saying he should be allowed to protest and those who don't saying he shouldn't be allowed to protest. That isn't how free speech works! I don't agree with him really on tonnes of issues, but I am proud he was allowed to be there for 10 years despite government opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 Brian Haw represented everything that makes Britain great. RIP F**k me. This place never ceases to amaze me. Fair play Serg'. +1, some of us went on the march against the Iraq invasion and thought that was all we could do by way of protest, this guy kept to his principles to the bitter end. Rest in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 June, 2011 Share Posted 19 June, 2011 +1, some of us went on the march against the Iraq invasion and thought that was all we could do by way of protest, this guy kept to his principles to the bitter end. Rest in peace. And weren't at Norwich home in the cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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