Colinjb Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 As noble as the sentiment is, the design of this flag will not be able to please everyone. Best thing to do would surely be to take the 4 or so best designs and then hold a vote on which one should be put into place. Not everyone will be happy, but at least it would be selected in as fair a manner possible.
trousers Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Any good? I've just gone through all the designs for the first time and, whilst I'm no graphic designer, the one above jumped out at me has having the best all round look and feel. The black highlighting of the facial features makes it look most realistic and captures Markus' "cheerful chap" character the best IMHO. It is also the most removed from the KFC 'look-a-likes'
theyin Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 (edited) it has been said that the image in #123 is KFC ish also. By a blind man Mike. It bears no resemblense whatsoever. You were almost convinced in #254 regarding the style of the image. Gecko's recent offerings are just too clean. Sorry but the shape of ML's head means in a clean style aka Gecko's, it's just too .....cartoonish. The 'disfigurement' of the 'dirty' style offers up something a lot more stylish. As for the barbers awning/retro KFC bucket/Tesco bag (minus the blue), come on, give me a break. I've only just realised it, but stripes only work on a Saints shirt or barbers twisty turney thing. Otherwise they're a garish abomination Edited 20 June, 2011 by theyin just occured to me
st alex Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Last one from me. A simple one as a few were saying. If this place goes to prove anything it's that you can't please all the people all the time. And that if a designer is looking to preserve his ego he should stay the f::ck away from you lot! Right...free listing eBay day... This is my preferred one so far, well composed & balanced, a nice clean font, and the text & image sit well together. Think it looks better red on white than white on red looks. Besides we did just spend a whole season playing in white, and for all we know we still do. Also think this will look good on a giant flag, which some of the other designs might not. Please don't go for any with distressed fonts or any other novelty fonts.
saintmatt Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 it has been said that the image in #123 is KFC ish also. If that's the case, then so do all the Liverpool flags..
Nexstar Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right This one brings together many of the designs, Mike. Text is easy to read and the picture is great.
LGTL Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Mike, pick the 4 off this thread that you prefer/the general concensus of this thread prefer, and then hold a forum wide vote for the best one. Then that will be accepted and you won't bear the grudge of people who don't like it.
itchen_dan Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right Awesome!! just go with this one Mike!! Best by far!!
The Hoff Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Awesome!! just go with this one Mike!! Best by far!! Agreed, lets just get this done, we don't want to miss first game of the season. You have to take the responsibility of saying enough is enough and choose a design. Fair play for organising this, you are a true hero, but I feel that the ultimate decision should fall on one person (to avoid unneccessary delay), and that person is you Mike. Bst of luck, can't wait to see the flag for real!
ant Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I've just gone through all the designs for the first time and, whilst I'm no graphic designer, the one above jumped out at me has having the best all round look and feel. The black highlighting of the facial features makes it look most realistic and captures Markus' "cheerful chap" character the best IMHO. It is also the most removed from the KFC 'look-a-likes' Unfortunately it's completely the wrong aspect ratio and utterly pixellated. The design has to be a vector graphic, not pixel-based. Exactly the same issue with the 'distressed' one - not to mention that where Markus' body meets the flag jars somewhat. Look at the Liverpool example heralded as a benchmark and then back at Gecko's - there's a reason that the style is so similar. Obviously this is all just opinions, but there's too many opinions for anything to get resolved. Is a vote really necessary? Mike was right-minded and motivated enough to set this in motion when nobody else stepped up and now faces a ton of squabbling over the decision. Not to mention the fact there'll always be detractors, no matter how much or little effort they've contributed. Should his say not be the final one?
Saint Garrett Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 This one is the best IMO If not, use this font with the other image, the others just look cheap.
trousers Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 (edited) Unfortunately it's completely the wrong aspect ratio and utterly pixellated. The design has to be a vector graphic, not pixel-based. Fair dos, but I was just commenting on it with my "punter in the street saying which one he thinks looks best on a computer screen" hat on. In other words, it's the best "design" visually (IMHO) rather than technically. Is there no-one that can take the best "visual" design and make a "technically viable" version out of it? Or does 'computer graphics' not work as simply as my brain...? (answer's on a postage stamp...!) Edited 20 June, 2011 by trousers
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I give up. Sorry, but undiplomatic or not....it looks crap/cheesey/KFCish & sorry Gecko if it's your profession, but none of them cut the mustard. We had it in post #123 IMO. But there you go. I'm tempted to go on but it looks like a decision has already been made but I would ask each of you to show the 'winner' to one non Saints supporting football fan (ie impartial) and see what they have to say. Preferably one with an ounce of creative nouse upstairs. I know I must seem like a right jumped up t wat to the majority but working in the field I do is all about making it look right and often means amendment after amendment until it's right, so forgive me if I'm a bit blunt as the delivery date looms. Instead of continuing to just rip our efforts to pieces as you already done before, seeing as YOU know what your talking about why don't YOU come up with an idea on where to improve seeing as YOU are the one who has a serious problem with anything we come up with. If Liverpool had come up with that flag we would use it as an example to follow so unless you are going to actually put idea's across as to where we can improve then please stop. We obviously cannot afford to pay someone to do it, hense why we are working together. I had a butchers on the L'pool forums yesterday and they don't pay anyone, they do exactly what we are doing. Put an design up, get feedback, improve, feedback, improve, feedback, improve. As of yet, you are yet to put ANY constructive criticism across. Unless you call "your all shít pay someone a few grand to design one for you" constructive.
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 The more I see the "clean" graphic compared to the grubby distressed lettering and picture, the more I like it. Much as I'd like the text on a single line, having it on two lines means the image of Markus can be bigger. The distressed lettering just makes the flag look old, it's design for design's sake and it detracts from the overall flag. Also, the #123 pic is too grainy. In summary, Markus waving with a nice crisp font works for me. Also, not sure anyone's mentioned it, but the Saints crest is copyrighted, and we wouldn't want to get into that issue.
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Oh yeah, and just so we're criticising from an informed angle, we don't want it to look like this : or this
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Oh yeah, and just so we're criticising from an informed angle, we don't want it to look like this : or this Shizzle, I just spat my dummy without reading The9's post properly! Hahaha!
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Shizzle, I just spat my dummy without reading The9's post properly! Hahaha! LOLz. You are forgiven. I've put them up there precisely to show that they DON'T look like the KFC images. You made a fair (if sweary) point too.
HurleyBurley Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Last one from me. A simple one as a few were saying. If this place goes to prove anything it's that you can't please all the people all the time. And that if a designer is looking to preserve his ego he should stay the f::ck away from you lot! Right...free listing eBay day... Sorry to butt into your conversation, I don't post here often so feel free to ignore me - But I think what you guys are doing with this flag is a great thing. Personally this is my favourite, but I reckon it would be better portrait so that you can maximise the size of the image of Marcus, with 'Forever' at the top and 'A Saint' below the image. In the current layout there's too much unused space. Well done to all that are involved
HurleyBurley Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Sorry to butt into your conversation, I don't post here often so feel free to ignore me - But I think what you guys are doing with this flag is a great thing. Personally this is my favourite, but I reckon it would be better portrait so that you can maximise the size of the image of Marcus, with 'Forever' at the top and 'A Saint' below the image. In the current layout there's too much unused space. Well done to all that are involved Like this
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 The more I see the "clean" graphic compared to the grubby distressed lettering and picture, the more I like it. Much as I'd like the text on a single line, having it on two lines means the image of Markus can be bigger. The distressed lettering just makes the flag look old, it's design for design's sake and it detracts from the overall flag. Also, the #123 pic is too grainy. In summary, Markus waving with a nice crisp font works for me. Also, not sure anyone's mentioned it, but the Saints crest is copyrighted, and we wouldn't want to get into that issue. Yep, very much this. Gekko's design also includes the scarf, which I think is a really nice touch, and the wave, which is also a great improvement. The distressed lettering on my old design only really worked with that previous image; Gekko's is much cleaner and brighter and therefore works much better with a clean, bright lettering. I do very much agree with the idea of making the image as big as possible, but there's obviously a limit to when the lettering becomes too small. I'm sure a decent designer, even the flag manuafcturer maybe, can advise to exactly what that is. In short; I think Gekko's image is perfect for this: I think it needs to be sorted out with the size and style of lettering, but overall I think it's a great effort so far.
Micky Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right Really didn't like this image on all of the flags that have gone before, but now you have worked some magic on it I have to confess it looks good. I would have blown the money by now on Scudamores design - but I like this one as well. Errrrrrr..... do we have enough money for 2 flags Mike.....?????
eelpie Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Any good? Pity this design can't be used because it is pixilated and not vector, because it is excellent graphics. It would make a brilliant T shirt. How about having some printed and selling for a Saints charity? I would buy one.
theyin Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 (edited) Instead of continuing to just rip our efforts to pieces as you already done before, seeing as YOU know what your talking about why don't YOU come up with an idea on where to improve seeing as YOU are the one who has a serious problem with anything we come up with. If Liverpool had come up with that flag we would use it as an example to follow so unless you are going to actually put idea's across as to where we can improve then please stop. We obviously cannot afford to pay someone to do it, hense why we are working together. I had a butchers on the L'pool forums yesterday and they don't pay anyone, they do exactly what we are doing. Put an design up, get feedback, improve, feedback, improve, feedback, improve. As of yet, you are yet to put ANY constructive criticism across. Unless you call "your all shít pay someone a few grand to design one for you" constructive. Back to square one again are we? As I've already said, the work has already been done IMO in #123 and I'm adding another with #133 (one you claimed to love in fact) - the latter without the Liebherr (though there is something appealing about the font) & F.A.S. at the top. So I do not have a problem with everything. I think you'll find Liverpool have come up with a multitude of examples of how to do the job so why vere from a proven formula? They're lucky they don't have stripes but I'm sure they had to contend with plenty of wannabe gfx designers with a 'borrowed' copy of photoshop putting in their two penneth worth. I have not once called for any money to be forked out on professional designers, not once. I was more than sure that there would be a professional on here able to help or a decent amateur/student of graphic design who could come up with the goods. I think I'm proven right with the examples given above. I don't give a toss about rubbing people up the wrong way if it's going to save us the embarrassment of another statue. Look familiar? Edited 20 June, 2011 by theyin
Paul Chuckle Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I never knew he had a White beard. In Geckosaints most recent one in looks like he did.
dune Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 It needs some black (too much red). I would suggest ML is depicted in black against a red background. The slogan is rubbish. The best so far, but a long way from being ideal.
alehouseboys Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I think some are being a bit too critical of some of the efforts, I shouldn't think there's too many graphic designers amongst us. They're probably just ideas that most would...I know I did...think that would be eventually done by someone professional. Another 'idea', wouldn't have a clue if it would work on a big flag or not and I'm sure not good enough resolution for that size.
diggers Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Gecko's done the business! You'll be able to photograph this from space!
100%Red&White Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I bet Mike must be beginning to wonder what he's let himself in for. A great effort to get this far - now he's seeing how tough it is trying to please everyone. It's a flag, it's an iconic image of how we remember Markus, I'd say there's a few designs already that will do the job imo.
voteforpedro Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 My personal favourite. Here's a mock up of how it would look in the stadium:
Saint Garrett Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Thats a lot better view - Would you be able to make one of them for this flag ?
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Back to square one again are we? Look familiar? Everyone else has pretty much reached a consensus that you happen to disagree with, which also happens to be based on those Liverpool concepts of basic red with white on and a basic, clear, non-grainy image. The chicken bucket doesn't look anything like any of the designs we've got. I loosely agree with dune that some black (maybe letter edging) would be nice, but still think there's been nothing better than the Gecko's "not a competition but determined to get this right" one. I can't see the point of the "stencil" lettering / font type in Gecko's #2 or the style in the #3 options as I don't think they're better than the original. At this point, go with the one most people have said they like, or it'll be tweakdom forever.
Griffo Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Thats a lot better view - Would you be able to make one of them for this flag ? PLEASE THIS. Best one by far.
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 It needs some black (too much red). I would suggest ML is depicted in black against a red background. The slogan is rubbish. The best so far, but a long way from being ideal. Do you mean the slogan, or the font ? I think the slogan is the one thing pretty much everyone is happy with.
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 PLEASE THIS. Best one by far. I've tried sticking both of these in Photoshop and this one looks terrible next to the clear imagery of the Gecko one. I liked it at first but it just looks second rate in comparison and the distressed font is amateurish rubbish for the sake of it - as well as not a vector.
Matthew Le God Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Is there a website that you used to do this automatically?
Crab Lungs Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 I've tried sticking both of these in Photoshop and this one looks terrible next to the clear imagery of the Gecko one. I liked it at first but it just looks second rate in comparison and the distressed font is amateurish rubbish for the sake of it - as well as not a vector. "amateurish rubbish"
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 "amateurish rubbish" Well it is. You may as well use Comic Sans. http://comicsanscriminal.com/
voteforpedro Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Thats a lot better view - Would you be able to make one of them for this flag ? Is there a website that you used to do this automatically? Sorry, but I wouldn't have a clue where to start. My brother just emailed me that so I thought I'd put it up. He's a graphic designer and as much as he'd like to throw out a few of his own ideas he's pretty snowed under right now so not sure how much he can help...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Posted 20 June, 2011 I bet Mike must be beginning to wonder what he's let himself in for. A great effort to get this far - now he's seeing how tough it is trying to please everyone. It's a flag, it's an iconic image of how we remember Markus, I'd say there's a few designs already that will do the job imo. you could say that, i now have another 4 letter swear word beginning with "F"
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Posted 20 June, 2011 Let Deppo choose. actually did laugh out loud then!
Crab Lungs Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Well it is. You may as well use Comic Sans. In your opinion... calm down anyway, Mr Angry! Anyway, what a horrible thread this has turned out to be... plenty of self-appointed graphic design "experts" on here all using the excuse that they don't want "another Ted Bates statue" as an excuse to be needlessly rude. For a start, it's unlikely to be another TB statue as a lot of ideas and dialogue have been exchanged on here. If there is any sense between us, then that will not happen again - especially as the general consensus on here appears to be shifting towards some of the latter and more improved recent designs. Before anything is decided, it appears that it will be approved on here - as I said, a TB statue situation simply will not happen. Well done to everyone who has contributed, btw - people who took the time to have a go and come up with something befitting of ML... Some of the designs are superb. As for the whingers, well... I don't see many of them coming through with too many valid ideas or designs.
forever a red and white Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Idea, Mike selects five designs, puts it to vote let majority decide and be done with it. Not everyone can be happy and the money was not to have a final say on a design but contribute to the ideas surrounding a design and hopefully a voting process should keep the majoriy happy. As long as it is a fitting tribute and not a disaster like th original Ted Bates statue and we have something for the start of the season then great.
saintmatt Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Still this one for me. Can somebody punch together a vector version of the picture, as I assume this would be necessary if this were to be made into a flag? (For the record, by vector version, I mean a subtle tidying up of the above image, nothing more. Nothing should be added, such as the side of his face that is not outlined. If we begin adding things, we begin creating a cartoon.)
Frank's cousin Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Uhm... sorry, not sure convinced by 'forever a saint' text... more classy to just have his name, we know what it means, and that's all that matters - and agree with the the NO HALO thing... but just one opinion so counts for nowt if there is agreement on teh text.
saintmatt Posted 20 June, 2011 Posted 20 June, 2011 Idea, Mike selects five designs, puts it to vote let majority decide and be done with it. Not everyone can be happy and the money was not to have a final say on a design but contribute to the ideas surrounding a design and hopefully a voting process should keep the majoriy happy. As long as it is a fitting tribute and not a disaster like th original Ted Bates statue and we have something for the start of the season then great. I think five is too many. From what I can work out, people are split between these two. If we HAVE to have a vote, it should be between these two.
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