saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 can anyone work their magic with the image of Markus on this one (to the same style as the liverpool examples) if so I have the high res version and will happily email it on so we can get this sorted Is this the one were going with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 It's not as simple as that though. I've just done a very quick 'n scruffy colour replace in Photoshop and you can see that it emphasises some of the wrong parts of his face: Now if it was decided that this is definitely the way to go then I'm sure Scudamore wouldn't mind adjusting that One thing that I have noticed is that pretty much all of these have used fairly muted reds - slightly orange or pink in hue. The OS uses #d71921 (RGB - web designer remember ) as its background colour and that's a stronger, slightly more Southampton-ish colour - to my eyes at least. Par exemple: Just to give an idea of the colour difference you understand. Personally I like the design of him on the white but could understand if there were practicalities to consider if the flag was white. As I said earlier, this could go round in an infinite number of circles. Might I suggest that we narrow this down to the current best design and 'perfect' just that one from there (in terms of font, copy and so on)? What happens if you use the red background; but keep the white face from the original white background design (with white font)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Is this the one were going with? no! I am just trying different things with what people suggested (this one is based on eelpie idea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 can we not have the pic of Markus waving in this style...with "forever a saint" replacing their slogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 (edited) can we not have the pic of Markus waving in this style...with "forever a saint" replacing their slogan Good shout, originally wanted to see what that idea looked like -post 49 has a decent image (captures the iconic wave without the rest of the detail e.g. the suit). Not bothered how the image is manipulated -could be given the che treatment a la scousers- but stick it in the middle with 'forever a saint' running along the top and it could work. Edited 20 June, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Good shout, originally wanted to see what that idea looked like -post 49 has a decent image (captures the iconic wave without the rest of the detail e.g. the suit). Not bothered how the image is manipulated -could be given the che treatment a la scousers- but stick it in the middle with 'forever a saint' running along the top and it could work. yep, exactly. Well as i said previously I have the high res pic of markus waving but dont know how to transform it into that style (liverpool one) so if anyone can do it, let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 no! I am just trying different things with what people suggested (this one is based on eelpie idea) Ok cool cool, misread that mate soz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Ok cool cool, misread that mate soz. lol you are forgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 lol you are forgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 What happens if you use the red background; but keep the white face from the original white background design (with white font)? Erm, unless I've misunderstood what you've written, that's what I did Can we get this narrowed down to a 2 or 3 bulletpoint brief? A designer's worst nightmare is working without explicit guidelines, then having their drafts criticised for missing the mark. I've been meaning to properly get to grips with Illustrator for a while now so I'm more than happy to give this a go if I clearly know what I'm aiming for. Not to devalue anybody else's contribution of course. Probably just time I stopped talking and started scribbling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Erm, unless I've misunderstood what you've written, that's what I did Can we get this narrowed down to a 2 or 3 bulletpoint brief? A designer's worst nightmare is working without explicit guidelines, then having their drafts criticised for missing the mark. I've been meaning to properly get to grips with Illustrator for a while now so I'm more than happy to give this a go if I clearly know what I'm aiming for. Not to devalue anybody else's contribution of course. Probably just time I stopped talking and started scribbling Sorry I meant using the white face (filled in white) as it appears on the white background (the original example) but this time on the red background. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 There are some right ****e designs in this thread and some proper mongs thinking they are good. grow up - if you can't offer anything constructive stay in the MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 There are some right ****e designs in this thread and some proper mongs thinking they are good. You know where the door is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Sorry I meant using the white face (filled in white) as it appears on the white background (the original example) but this time on the red background. Does that make sense? OK right, think I'm with you. Literally all I did was take the white version of Markus' face from the red-on-white design and turn it red. No other alterations. The reason it looks like that is partly because of the way our eyes perceive colour/absense thereof, but also because there was a heavier emphasis on certain parts which worked against a white background but don't when placed on block colour. As I said, it would take a few alterations to Scudamore's original vector image to make it sit correctly against a red BG. If a concise brief is sorted before this evening I'll have a stab when I get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 This is for a flag, not a f*cking flyer. That one in the quote above will not look good as a big ass flag. Need to keep it simple and iconic. This to me suggests a lack of understanding of marketing and promotions. The very essence of a flyer is that it is capable of grabbing attention immediately and it should also be visually attractive and pleasing. Also, I do not see why, if the design looks good on the screen, why it shouldn't also look good as a flag viewed across the stadium. I agree that the message should be kept simple, but if the actual pictorial element is too simple, it begins to look both dull and Mouse Mouse. Which I'm afraid to say is how some of these images look, almost cartoon caricatures in their monochrome monotony. As I understand it, there is no additional cost for extra colours in the manufacture, so why not utilise the additional colours to make it look more pleasing on the eye, at the same time giving the impression that it not a cheapo flag. The image of Markus on Gecko's design is far and away the best one, the image iconic in the eyes of all Saints fans. It is only the design around it that needs tweaking a little IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 OK right, think I'm with you. Literally all I did was take the white version of Markus' face from the red-on-white design and turn it red. No other alterations. The reason it looks like that is partly because of the way our eyes perceive colour/absense thereof, but also because there was a heavier emphasis on certain parts which worked against a white background but don't when placed on block colour. As I said, it would take a few alterations to Scudamore's original vector image to make it sit correctly against a red BG. If a concise brief is sorted before this evening I'll have a stab when I get home from work. you have a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 This to me suggests a lack of understanding of marketing and promotions. The very essence of a flyer is that it is capable of grabbing attention immediately and it should also be visually attractive and pleasing. Also, I do not see why, if the design looks good on the screen, why it shouldn't also look good as a flag viewed across the stadium. I agree that the message should be kept simple, but if the actual pictorial element is too simple, it begins to look both dull and Mouse Mouse. Which I'm afraid to say is how some of these images look, almost cartoon caricatures in their monochrome monotony. As I understand it, there is no additional cost for extra colours in the manufacture, so why not utilise the additional colours to make it look more pleasing on the eye, at the same time giving the impression that it not a cheapo flag. The image of Markus on Gecko's design is far and away the best one, the image iconic in the eyes of all Saints fans. It is only the design around it that needs tweaking a little IMO. So you start of by saying that you don't want the image to look cartoon like, then you go on to say that your prefered choice is the most cartoon like image? No offence to gecko, it's a great bit of work, but I don't want us to have that sort of image on our tribute to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoSaint Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right SSOTN like's this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right this is the image I prefer. What would it look like with the text on one line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Gekko's is definitely the best image so far. I'm not sure the size or style of font works exactly right, but it's nearly there. In any case, the image is all important and this is definitely the way it should be IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Compare Gecko's design to the style used in the Liverpool examples and surely we can agree that it's getting closer now? I second putting the text on one line. Although it'll lose some prominence, isn't it a sideline in terms of importance to the actual image anyway? Plus it'll allow 'Markus' to be bigger. Mike has delivered a clear brief now in terms of what needs to be on the flag and where; we'd do well to stick with it or this'll never be sorted in time. Adjusting the typeface etc. (IF necessary) is a two second job once a clear winner is decided upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Gekko's is definitely the best image so far. I'm not sure the size or style of font works exactly right, but it's nearly there. In any case, the image is all important and this is definitely the way it should be IMO. yep, agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right Best image by far. I'm not even sure it needs any words at all. Just that image alone is iconic enough to Saints fans. That image with a halo above to emphasise what a Saint and saviour he was to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 It's good. Can we just make that the final decision please? Text on 2 lines is better aswell as it gets to be bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I don't like a halo - it's a bit OTT and the slogan covers it, I prefer the face (non-cartoony) to the waving pose which I think is a little bit cheesy, and I think a black image on the central area of a red-white-red flag with the "Forever A Saint" text in whichever colour means it can be read on each background is where I'd go with this. The waving pic flag with slogan above is pretty good though. Surely the two-colour one is cheaper than a three-colour as well ? PS Stick to conventional, solid lettering (the one above is perfect), that "distressed" effect looks gash and cheapens it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right Game, set and match! Well done everyone. We got there in the end. I can't wait to see it in the ground. I think the Liebherr family will be overwhelmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoSaint Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Options, options options! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Please don't have a halo. It looks 5hite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 So you start of by saying that you don't want the image to look cartoon like, then you go on to say that your prefered choice is the most cartoon like image? No offence to gecko, it's a great bit of work, but I don't want us to have that sort of image on our tribute to him. No I didn't. If you read my comments again, I clearly stated that "Which I'm afraid to say is how some of these images look, almost cartoon caricatures in their monochrome monotony". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I don't like a halo - it's a bit OTT and the slogan covers it, I prefer the face (non-cartoony) to the waving pose which I think is a little bit cheesy, and I think a black image on the central area of a red-white-red flag with the "Forever A Saint" text in whichever colour means it can be read on each background is where I'd go with this. The waving pic flag with slogan above is pretty good though. Surely the two-colour one is cheaper than a three-colour as well ? PS Stick to conventional, solid lettering (the one above is perfect), that "distressed" effect looks gash and cheapens it as well. Some valid points but yet again we see the problem of taking everyone's opinion into account! You can't endlessly compromise or amend, amend, amend. Not to mention that what some think looks smart others will judge an abomination. Personally I think it's best to stick to the precedent of clubs that have got it right. As has been said rather less diplomatically there's a fair few less accomplished efforts in this thread. If we're not going to pay a studio to design it (highly unlikely), we should at least make use of the pro designers here who are willing to work on this for nothing. Quick, ask GeckoSaint for the vector of the top of those 3 options and close the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Gecko's design with text at top has my vote, a halo would look rubbish imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I know this is not a competition but am determined to get this right this one then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I think that one, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 GeckoSaint, any chance you can send me the image you created of Markus? The flag people will need it separate from the background send it to info@onemarkusliebherr.co.uk if you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Options, options options! Like the top one. Would have been great if some of the outline of the badge/crest showed up on the scarf - give it a bit more detail. And there was a bit of black like Crab Lungs original - would also protect it agaist the KFC jokes. Whatever happens, drop the halo - its a red rag for ******takers and WUMs. think its better to keep 'forever a saint' on one line; otherwise it clogs the picture and the star of the show. WHat are the choices for fonts. Lots of people liked the slightly distressed look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Whats the case for putting the text on two lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Keep the text on one line. Two lines looks messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Options, options options! Top one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Number 2 for me; although number 1 is also very good. EDIT: And please not with a halo; I think it cheapens it. Top work (yet again) Gekko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Number 1 for me, for what it's worth. I assume this is the correct aspect ratio? (just checking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 (edited) delete Edited 20 June, 2011 by Wes Tender how do i post an image from image bank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 The lettering would need to be bigger and more spaced out though, or it won't be readable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Number 1 for me, for what it's worth. I assume this is the correct aspect ratio? (just checking) ML in no.1 does look unnecessarily small and squashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 How about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Top one in geckos trio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Like the top one. Would have been great if some of the outline of the badge/crest showed up on the scarf - give it a bit more detail. And there was a bit of black like Crab Lungs original - would also protect it agaist the KFC jokes. Whatever happens, drop the halo - its a red rag for ******takers and WUMs. think its better to keep 'forever a saint' on one line; otherwise it clogs the picture and the star of the show. WHat are the choices for fonts. Lots of people liked the slightly distressed look. What he said. Of the plain red with words options, I like 1 best as well - shouldn't be a problem to have all the text on one line, but it might be better to use larger letters as with the two-liner. At least the general colours, image and words are agreed, and well done to JustMike for going through all of this, hopefully it will look excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I give up. Sorry, but undiplomatic or not....it looks crap/cheesey/KFCish & sorry Gecko if it's your profession, but none of them cut the mustard. We had it in post #123 IMO. But there you go. I'm tempted to go on but it looks like a decision has already been made but I would ask each of you to show the 'winner' to one non Saints supporting football fan (ie impartial) and see what they have to say. Preferably one with an ounce of creative nouse upstairs. I know I must seem like a right jumped up t wat to the majority but working in the field I do is all about making it look right and often means amendment after amendment until it's right, so forgive me if I'm a bit blunt as the delivery date looms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2011 I give up. Sorry, but undiplomatic or not....it looks crap/cheesey/KFCish & sorry Gecko if it's your profession, but none of them cut the mustard. We had it in post #123 IMO. But there you go. I'm tempted to go on but it looks like a decision has already been made but I would ask each of you to show the 'winner' to one non Saints supporting football fan (ie impartial) and see what they have to say. Preferably one with an ounce of creative nouse upstairs. I know I must seem like a right jumped up t wat to the majority but working in the field I do is all about making it look right and often means amendment after amendment until it's right, so forgive me if I'm a bit blunt as the delivery date looms. it has been said that the image in #123 is KFC ish also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 20 June, 2011 Share Posted 20 June, 2011 Still think this is almost there: Would like to see this one with the colours reversed: ...and this one with the distressed font of the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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