Is Wilde fit to be Chairman?

[Weston Super Saint]

I think you have lost your arguement in your first sentence - if you can't see the difference then it really is not worth me spending any more time jousting with you. No offence but I prefer a more sensible debate with people more attuned to Planet Earth.

 

 

How about forgetting about who is running the club and just get on and support the team?

 

Ring any bells?

 

 

Oh, and let's discuss people more attuned to planet earth with a man that two weeks ago announced that a takeover was imminent. A week later issued a rallying call in the echo demanding that all fans forget about who is in charge at the club, and get on with supporting the team. Now you seem hell bent on dishing up the dirt on one of the same people you were telling us not to worry about.

 

I'm happy with my grip on reality thanks.

 

I'm also fairly sure you'll answer me, as you love the sound of your own voice

Edited 22 October, 2008 by Weston Super Saint

[NickG]

don't get this thread -what are you actually alledging? why was someone sacked? surely if unjustly they could have just gone to solicitor?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

 

Oh, and let's discuss people more attuned to planet earth with a man that two weeks ago announced that a takeover was imminent. A week later issued a rallying call in the echo demanding that all fans forget about who is in charge at the club, and get on with supporting the team. Now you seem hell bent on dishing up the dirt on one of the same people you were telling us not to worry about.

 

I'm happy with my grip on reality thanks.

 

I'm also fairly sure you'll answer me, as you love the sound of your own voice

 

Maybe, just a maybe, Long Shot had been happy to support Wilde and then learned something that made him change his mind about Wilde?

 

Maybe, just a maybe, that's how Long Shot keeps his grip on reality?

[Roman]

don't get this thread -what are you actually alledging? why was someone sacked? surely if unjustly they could have just gone to solicitor?

 

For once I agree with you Nick. I can't for the life of me work this one out. What's the point, other than the fairly obvious petty score-settling?

 

And since LS assumes the moral high ground, does the alleged victim of this know and consent to the fact that he's being discussed on a public forum?

 

I would have thought there were far larger issues to do with Wilde's fitness to be Chairman, which I'd assumed this thread would be about.

 

Never mind. There'll be another one along soon...

[saintwarwick]

Fair point and I will get around to it when it becomes neccesary but I will say this. All I have done is set the hares racing but my comments are not cryptic as I have been precise. Wilde, the Chairman of SFC was drinking with someone (and it can't take much imagination to work out who that was) throughout the night in a North Eastern hotel prior to the Sunderland away game, autumn 2006. There was quite a lot of drunkeness (not a issue unless the two biggest drunks were the manager and chairman of the club) and during the evening things are said that shouldn't be. End of season tour? Not a problem - everyone needs to let hair down but this was mid Nov before an important league game and also present were minor club employees who were in a scenario they should not have been exposed to. Things were said which were thought OK. Not so. Young lad gets sacked. He has suffered but not the two men who were meant to be leading and representing our club who emerge scot free. One now manages Scotland and one is our Chairman who continues to lecture us all on fiscal prudence. Is it relevant to now? Yes because Wilde is still here. Has the guy who got sacked got a new job? I don't know - I hope so but he was sacrificed on the alter of Wilde. Are Saints in capable hands? No I don't think so.

Make no mistake administration is looming - our overdraft has risen to 8m and Barclays have expressed their displeasure with Lowe. Surman and Lallana are as good as gone in Jan despite their reluctance to leave. Unless we find the right people to deliver us we are about to take a massive step into the unknown and with Wilde at the forefront there might not be a way back.

 

Laugh, joke, flame away I appreciate no one likes nastiness when it comes to slagging Southampton FC but the future of this club relies heavily now on honesty and trust and under this current leadership we are not likely to get it.

 

Really, you have inside information? Please let me and others know how you have come to this privy information. I await your concrete evidence reply.

[Fowllyd]

Fair point and I will get around to it when it becomes neccesary but I will say this. All I have done is set the hares racing but my comments are not cryptic as I have been precise. Wilde, the Chairman of SFC was drinking with someone (and it can't take much imagination to work out who that was) throughout the night in a North Eastern hotel prior to the Sunderland away game, autumn 2006. There was quite a lot of drunkeness (not a issue unless the two biggest drunks were the manager and chairman of the club) and during the evening things are said that shouldn't be. End of season tour? Not a problem - everyone needs to let hair down but this was mid Nov before an important league game and also present were minor club employees who were in a scenario they should not have been exposed to. Things were said which were thought OK. Not so. Young lad gets sacked. He has suffered but not the two men who were meant to be leading and representing our club who emerge scot free. One now manages Scotland and one is our Chairman who continues to lecture us all on fiscal prudence. Is it relevant to now? Yes because Wilde is still here. Has the guy who got sacked got a new job? I don't know - I hope so but he was sacrificed on the alter of Wilde. Are Saints in capable hands? No I don't think so.

Make no mistake administration is looming - our overdraft has risen to 8m and Barclays have expressed their displeasure with Lowe. Surman and Lallana are as good as gone in Jan despite their reluctance to leave. Unless we find the right people to deliver us we are about to take a massive step into the unknown and with Wilde at the forefront there might not be a way back.

 

Laugh, joke, flame away I appreciate no one likes nastiness when it comes to slagging Southampton FC but the future of this club relies heavily now on honesty and trust and under this current leadership we are not likely to get it.

 

OK, that's not cryptic, though your earlier posts were. I have no idea whether the whole thing is true or not but, if it is, then I'd certainly be far from impressed. The manager shouldn't be up till 5 drinking on the morning of a match, the chairman shouldn't be encouraging him to do so. If Wilde wants to get hammered before a match fair enough; he has nothing to do with what happens on the pitch; this can hardly be said for the manager.

 

So why was said junior employee sacked? Did he say something out of order, or did he hear something he shouldn't have? Either way, as others have said, he would surely be able to claim unfair dismissal - did he do so?

 

Given that this is an allegation from a single, anonymous source on an internet forum, I won't be rushing over the Itchen bridge to St Mary's to demand justice just yet.

[Window Cleaner]

Not that I want to get involved in this latest round of *****ing but we should remember that Wilde did get sacked (or as good as) a bit later on.

[Weston Super Saint]

Maybe, just a maybe, Long Shot had been happy to support Wilde and then learned something that made him change his mind about Wilde?

 

Maybe, just a maybe, that's how Long Shot keeps his grip on reality?

 

He states he knew about it when it happened two years ago - hell he even hints that he knows the person who was sacked personally!!!

 

Why, therefore, would he issue a rallying cry in the Echo just last week stating we [as fans] should forget who runs the club and support the team?

 

Then a week later be slagging Wilde off for something he did two years ago?

 

If that's keeping a firm grip on reality, I think I'll give it a miss thanks.

[slickmick]

Is anyone going to say who this junior employee is/was ?

Who is Longshot ? Nick Illingsworth likes his cryptic clues. Is it you ?

Edited 23 October, 2008 by slickmick

[slickmick]

He states he knew about it when it happened two years ago - hell he even hints that he knows the person who was sacked personally!!!

 

Why, therefore, would he issue a rallying cry in the Echo just last week stating we [as fans] should forget who runs the club and support the team?

 

Then a week later be slagging Wilde off for something he did two years ago?

 

If that's keeping a firm grip on reality, I think I'll give it a miss thanks.

 

 

You just answered my question. Slow as always :confused:.

[trousers]

George Burley on the day in question.....doesn't look like he's been up all night to me....

 

[Big Bad Bob]

He states he knew about it when it happened two years ago - hell he even hints that he knows the person who was sacked personally!!!

 

Why, therefore, would he issue a rallying cry in the Echo just last week stating we [as fans] should forget who runs the club and support the team?

 

Then a week later be slagging Wilde off for something he did two years ago?

 

If that's keeping a firm grip on reality, I think I'll give it a miss thanks.

 

Is anyone going to say who this junior employee is/was ?

Who is Longshot ? Nick Illingsworth likes his cryptic clues. Is it you ?

 

I think reading WSS' reply above yours that LS could well be NI...but then I could be wrong

[trousers]

You just answered my question. Slow as always :confused:.

 

Only about a week behind....

 

Now, if only we could work out who that Scooby fella is.....

[Weston Super Saint]

George Burley on the day in question.....doesn't look like he's been up all night to me....

 

 

Great 'lobe shot too!

[Big Bad Bob]

George Burley on the day in question.....doesn't look like he's been up all night to me....

 

 

Hey I played Saturday park football after a company Xmas **** up in london where I didn't get back home 'til 7 the next morning......had to sick up in the goal during the first half though

[Weston Super Saint]

I think reading WSS' reply above yours that LS could well be NI...but then I could be wrong

 

Long Shot = Nick Illingsworth.

 

'tis the truth.

[trousers]

Great 'lobe shot too!

 

I didn't like to mention that...didn't want to bring the tone down....

[Big Bad Bob]

TBF I had heard this rumour before.....what I would really like to know is what was said by who to whom???

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Long Shot = Nick Illingsworth.

 

'tis the truth.

 

Really! Poor old Nick, getting flak from all sides.

[dubai_phil]

OK so this is another GB liked to have a drink thread?

 

Or Company Officer in Employment Tribunal legal wrangle?

 

Or Why was a junior employee awake at 5am before a big match scandal?

 

Or an abuse of Power?

 

or an abuse of company expense accounts?

 

I don't quite get the point. LS may well have a valid issue but it does seem odd that it has taken two years to come to light and even then it is a little short on substance, such as why the youngster was fired. Did he have the temerity to suggest that the team manager should be in bed at that time of the morning? Did he fail to get his round in? Why was he up?

 

As a rallying cry for a revolt by fans it isn't quite there yet.

 

Conceptually bringing issues like this into the fans domain is a sound idea, but without the actual full story then it simply becomes a different version of an ITK tale and gets the derision it may not deserve.

 

Right now, with what we have, sorry it's points scoring b**s.

[Window Cleaner]

Long Shot = Nick Illingsworth.

 

'tis the truth.

 

Not sure that you're right. If it is the case then Nick has suddenly become aggressive and is stirring shîte like he's never done before.

I think he used to post under another name,still if you're right it's a vast mood swing for him. I mean suddenly raking up an old chestnut, accusing Bob's dad of being lazy or idle, not the Nick I know,so I'd check that out.Messrs Mc Millan or

Chorley perhaps, Nick? doubt it.

Edited 23 October, 2008 by Window Cleaner

[slickmick]

Only about a week behind....

 

Now, if only we could work out who that Scooby fella is.....

 

 

Only a week, Im improving then. Still no answer to who this junior was, and why he got sacked. 2 years behind on that one already.

Out of interest what was the score in that game ?

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Him allowing his manager, his employee, to get smashed with him till the early hours the day of the game is inexcusable, him getting smashed on any given day do not care for, the employee getting sacked ? how can we comment when we do not know what for !! suggest Long Shot disclose the reason in order we can make an informed decision on the rights and wrongs of it, unless of course a tribunal is pending which I doubt very much as it would have been on here long before now.

In real terms he is just a pawn with him not having the responsibility his title suggests, Burley has gone so who gives a fluck, do not have too many concerns about the likelyhood of Rupert and Jan having a smoke till the early hours so hey ho.

[Weston Saint]

Long Shot IS NOT Nick Illingsworth. I know Nick and he is not a poster on TSW. You are wide of the mark WSS and it is unfair on Nick to suggest otherwise.

 

Exit2 has already confirmed it is not Nick on another thread.

[Window Cleaner]

Long Shot IS NOT Nick Illingsworth. I know Nick and he is not a poster on TSW. You are wide of the mark WSS and it is unfair on Nick to suggest otherwise.

 

Exit2 has already confirmed it is not Nick on another thread.

 

Not Rebel then??

[Weston Saint]

Really, you have inside information? Please let me and others know how you have come to this privy information. I await your concrete evidence reply.

 

I have heard this from 2 totally unconnected but respected sources none of which come from the dressing room (the players would be unaware of such matters). I am prepared to believe it is true. Concrete evidence is not possible unless it is announced as a trading update when the accounts are finally released. I would encourage such statement to clear this matter up.

[trousers]

 

I don't quite get the point. LS may well have a valid issue but it does seem odd that it has taken two years to come to light

 

Perhaps meeting potential future owners of football clubs at betting shop counters has a strange effect on people?

[Weston Saint]

Not Rebel then??

 

I know who rebel is and no. As I have said Nick does not post on here.

[trousers]

Concrete evidence is not possible unless it is announced as a trading update when the accounts are finally released.

 

Said trading statement is now over a week later than they said it would be...

[slickmick]

Long Shot IS NOT Nick Illingsworth. I know Nick and he is not a poster on TSW. You are wide of the mark WSS and it is unfair on Nick to suggest otherwise.

 

Exit2 has already confirmed it is not Nick on another thread.

 

 

Then who ? Crouch ? McMenemy ? Some one who claims to be close enough within, or with some one within the club to know what Barclays are expressing.

Why attack Wilde on here now ? No points scoring needed. Wilde is already on -1.

[Window Cleaner]

I know who rebel is and no. As I have said Nick does not post on here.

 

Fair enough,I thought the rantings and ravings of late were too violent and

baseless to be the work of the Saint's Trust Chairman.

[Weston Saint]

Then who ? Crouch ? McMenemy ? Some one who claims to be close enough within, or with some one within the club to know what Barclays are expressing.

Why attack Wilde on here now ? No points scoring needed. Wilde is already on -1.

 

I doubt it is Crouch or McMenemy.

[fos1]

 

Oh, and let's discuss people more attuned to planet earth with a man that two weeks ago announced that a takeover was imminent. A week later issued a rallying call in the echo demanding that all fans forget about who is in charge at the club, and get on with supporting the team. Now you seem hell bent on dishing up the dirt on one of the same people you were telling us not to worry about.

 

Can you show me the thread that longshot said " takeover was imminent "

I seem to remember him repeating something he was told by Fulthorpe and it went something like "takeover with health warning " or words to that effect

At no stage did he say "takeover imminent"

[Window Cleaner]

Then who ? Crouch ? McMenemy ? Some one who claims to be close enough within, or with some one within the club to know what Barclays are expressing.

Why attack Wilde on here now ? No points scoring needed. Wilde is already on -1.

 

What does it matter who he is,I mean before LS came on one day claiming (no doubt correctly) that he'd been talking to Fulthorpe at Doncaster, I don't even remember him being a consistent or radical poster.Maybe I didn't follow the debates enough, I had a lot of work on up until recently and didn't read everything.

He must have his reason (or agenda) for the latest postings he's made, if you don't like them don't read them.It's just an internet forum, nothing to do with reality (most of the time).

[slickmick]

What does it matter who he is,I mean before LS came on one day claiming (no doubt correctly) that he'd been talking to Fulthorpe at Doncaster, I don't even remember him being a consistent or radical poster.Maybe I didn't follow the debates enough, I had a lot of work on up until recently and didn't read everything.

He must have his reason (or agenda) for the latest postings he's made, if you don't like them don't read them.It's just an internet forum, nothing to do with reality (most of the time).

 

 

I agree, just can't understand his agenda or point he' trying to make. If he's trying to discredit Wilde, then he's to late, I don't think MW is on many fans xmas card list anyway.

[Window Cleaner]

I agree, just can't understand his agenda or point he' trying to make. If he's trying to discredit Wilde, then he's to late, I don't think MW is on many fans xmas card list anyway.

 

Anyway,at the end of the day Wilde owns 16.46% of the Saint's shares.

Whilst that is so he will always have the role of Kingmaker provided that

neither the Crouch faction or the Lowe faction wilt in the battle.

[Big Bad Bob]

I agree, just can't understand his agenda or point he' trying to make. If he's trying to discredit Wilde, then he's to late, I don't think MW is on many fans xmas card list anyway.

 

He's on mine, after all he 'gave us our club back' [sic]

 

BTW for PC purposes I think it's Festive Season Card list

[up and away]

Are Saints in capable hands? No I don't think so.

Make no mistake administration is looming - our overdraft has risen to 8m and Barclays have expressed their displeasure with Lowe. Surman and Lallana are as good as gone in Jan despite their reluctance to leave. Unless we find the right people to deliver us we are about to take a massive step into the unknown and with Wilde at the forefront there might not be a way back.

 

Laugh, joke, flame away I appreciate no one likes nastiness when it comes to slagging Southampton FC but the future of this club relies heavily now on honesty and trust and under this current leadership we are not likely to get it.

 

And not a word about how we got into this mess. Anyone can see administration coming and the only way out of that will be by selling what ever assets we have to avoid it. Not a single word regarding Crouch and his financial master plan to just sit and wait on any idiot that has found his kids piggy bank, whilst we wasted 10's of milliions on a set up we could not afford, because Crouch did not have a clue.

[Long Shot]

OK so this is another GB liked to have a drink thread?

 

Or Company Officer in Employment Tribunal legal wrangle?

 

Or Why was a junior employee awake at 5am before a big match scandal?

 

Or an abuse of Power?

 

or an abuse of company expense accounts?

 

I don't quite get the point. LS may well have a valid issue but it does seem odd that it has taken two years to come to light and even then it is a little short on substance, such as why the youngster was fired. Did he have the temerity to suggest that the team manager should be in bed at that time of the morning? Did he fail to get his round in? Why was he up?

 

As a rallying cry for a revolt by fans it isn't quite there yet.

 

Conceptually bringing issues like this into the fans domain is a sound idea, but without the actual full story then it simply becomes a different version of an ITK tale and gets the derision it may not deserve.

 

Right now, with what we have, sorry it's points scoring b**s.

 

Phil - fair questions politely put so will attempt an explanation.

 

The reason I have only just posted this story was it was only corroborated by a 2nd witness to me on Tuesday. I first heard the story from someone who worked at SMS last year but was asked not to say anything. That person has now given his permission and when it was backed up by a second witness I felt it should be in the public domain. Whether or not it is acceptable that the manager and chairman should be "on the ****" in a public place at 5 am on the day of a match is debateable but someone losing his job over something he said in that company is something else, I guess. I gather the lad made a remark about the execs which was not complementary and it found its way back to Oldknow, who insisted on the sacking. I guess the lad was bang to rights for dissing the execs but there was a lot of drink flowing and he felt OK in the encouraging presence of the Chairman.

(As for Burley, I no longer have an interest in his alcohol intake (that's down to the Scottish FA now), but the fact he was there does kinda confirm what many on here were saying last year).

 

Can I also point out that I have not spoken to or been contacted by the person who was sacked, but the two witnesses who have spoken to me were both in the hotel with the official party on the night/morning in question.

 

I am concerned that Wilde is our Chairman and there are lots of other failings I have also heard about which convince me he is unfit - hence my post. I hear that he is "uneasy" at SMS at present and with what is lurking around so he should be.

 

Hope this goes some way to answering some of your questions.

[slickmick]

Are you going to expand what you mean by 'lurking around' ?

[Long Shot]

Are you going to expand what you mean by 'lurking around' ?

 

Nah I think I'll keep him to myself SlickMick for the time being. Not talking about you but too many others on here line up to shoot the messenger with a result that the message usually gets lost amid all the insults.

 

Wilde knows he's drinking in the last chance saloon any way and his glass is nearly empty. Cheers!

[Weston Super Saint]

Long Shot IS NOT Nick Illingsworth. I know Nick and he is not a poster on TSW. You are wide of the mark WSS and it is unfair on Nick to suggest otherwise.

 

Exit2 has already confirmed it is not Nick on another thread.

 

And long Shot has confirmed he 'has been found out' on yet another thread.

[Weston Super Saint]

Phil - fair questions politely put so will attempt an explanation.

 

The reason I have only just posted this story was it was only corroborated by a 2nd witness to me on Tuesday. I first heard the story from someone who worked at SMS last year but was asked not to say anything. That person has now given his permission and when it was backed up by a second witness I felt it should be in the public domain. Whether or not it is acceptable that the manager and chairman should be "on the ****" in a public place at 5 am on the day of a match is debateable but someone losing his job over something he said in that company is something else, I guess. I gather the lad made a remark about the execs which was not complementary and it found its way back to Oldknow, who insisted on the sacking. I guess the lad was bang to rights for dissing the execs but there was a lot of drink flowing and he felt OK in the encouraging presence of the Chairman.

(As for Burley, I no longer have an interest in his alcohol intake (that's down to the Scottish FA now), but the fact he was there does kinda confirm what many on here were saying last year).

 

Can I also point out that I have not spoken to or been contacted by the person who was sacked, but the two witnesses who have spoken to me were both in the hotel with the official party on the night/morning in question.

 

I am concerned that Wilde is our Chairman and there are lots of other failings I have also heard about which convince me he is unfit - hence my post. I hear that he is "uneasy" at SMS at present and with what is lurking around so he should be.

 

Hope this goes some way to answering some of your questions.

 

LOL.

 

So Wilde had nothing to do with the sacking

 

So, basically you say he is unfit to be the chairman because he had a drink late at night.

 

I'm loving this whole 'reality' thing

[Scudamore]

This attempt at a smear campaign is falling more and more flat on its arse i hear of it...

 

Please stop you are making a tit out of yourself...

[slickmick]

Nah I think I'll keep him to myself SlickMick for the time being. Not talking about you but too many others on here line up to shoot the messenger with a result that the message usually gets lost amid all the insults.

 

Wilde knows he's drinking in the last chance saloon any way and his glass is nearly empty. Cheers!

 

 

Is this his problem ?

[fos1]

 

Oh, and let's discuss people more attuned to planet earth with a man that two weeks ago announced that a takeover was imminent. A week later issued a rallying call in the echo demanding that all fans forget about who is in charge at the club, and get on with supporting the team. Now you seem hell bent on dishing up the dirt on one of the same people you were telling us not to worry about.

 

Can you show me the thread that longshot said " takeover was imminent "

I seem to remember him repeating something he was told by Fulthorpe and it went something like "takeover with health warning " or words to that effect

At no stage did he say "takeover imminent"

 

weston super saint

please answer this or have you been found out to have your facts wrong !!!

[NickG]

This attempt at a smear campaign is falling more and more flat on its arse i hear of it...

 

Please stop you are making a tit out of yourself...

 

fair request!

[Wes Tender]

And not a word about how we got into this mess. Anyone can see administration coming and the only way out of that will be by selling what ever assets we have to avoid it. Not a single word regarding Crouch and his financial master plan to just sit and wait on any idiot that has found his kids piggy bank, whilst we wasted 10's of milliions on a set up we could not afford, because Crouch did not have a clue.

 

10s of millions has to mean at least 20 million plus, which is a joke. Be so good as to justify that claim, or please desist from gross exageration, lest it weakens the validity your assertions any more. We know that Wilde was supposed to be looking for outside investment the first time around and we also know that Crouch was too. What we do not know is whether Lowe and Wilde together are seeking investors. On Lowe's past record, I'm thinking not.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if as you claim Crouch presided over a situation whereby we were living beyond our means, then surely the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the the PLC's Financial Director, David Jones, who has been the one constant through the turmoil of the past few years.

[bridge too far]

 

weston super saint

please answer this or have you been found out to have your facts wrong !!!

 

 

I think this is the post everyone is referring to:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2414

 

It's not hard to search on LS' name you know

 

I think he does add a rider at the bottom of the first post of the thread by saying he doesn't think the takeover will happen.

[Window Cleaner]

Anyway, it's all a bit academic.

 

 

Why don't we ask the man in question.

How about it Mike? are you fit to be Chairman?

not that I expect a reply of course.:roll::roll::roll::roll: